Fury at Rwanda sterilisation bill
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8128121.stm

Jared Diamond would have plenty to say about this story. Of all places, you might think that Rwanda would be the first nation to overcome the stigma of trying forced population control. What a loaded topic - this Rwandan proposal goes way beyond the one-child coercion practiced in China, but then again, so did the mass murder of 1994.

What to say? Yes, sterilization of undesirables is a terrible echo of eugenics, but who pays to feed and house the spawn of irresponsible parents? IMO the HRW position is kneejerk-predictable, the product of the worst kind of holier-than-thou liberal handwringing. And I’m a liberal, too! Statements like the following are indefensible:

"While Rwanda has made notable progress in fighting stigma and responding to the Aids epidemic, and has pledged to advance the rights of persons with disability, forced sterilisation and mandatory HIV testing do not contribute to those goals."

Excuse me? In what universe is mandatory HIV testing not a positive contribution to the AIDS epidemic? These people don’t exactly have the means to “go underground” to avoid the test when they’re sick - or just getting married. How is this any worse than the syphilis and rubella testing that used to be required before a marriage license could be granted in the US?

I can see all the sides here, and I wouldn’t want to be the one kicked out of the lifeboat, but that boat’s already overloaded, and it’s going down first in places like Rwanda. We have to do something - we will, no doubt. But if we don’t at least attempt to carry out population growth mitigation in an orderly fashion, well, we all know that it’ll happen in its usual, messy way.

Personally, I don’t believe that the human race will ever face up to these ugly but inescapable choices regarding population overshoot and resource depletion. Denial R us.

Agreed. 'Biggest tribe wins' is a dominant instinct and probably the hardest to tame. It has been noted here (and elsewhere I'm sure) that an enlightened society that restricted it's population might nevertheless be overwhelmed by a society with a natalist ideology. It has also been noted that prosperous and secure societies tend to have lower birthrates. But this effect may not in its natural course be strong enough to achieve sustainable population, and in any event our run of prosperity may be challenged in the coming decades.

Strong population controls can have an impact, and quickly, perhaps 1-2 generations. China's current ascendancy has at least a little to do with the better alignment of population and resources that began in the 1970s with the 'one child' policy. It would be ironic if China gives that up in their current expansive phase, as the more prosperous push for larger families.

I believe China is exceptional in its ability to adopt broad policies across such a large population and geographic area. Further, one child per family is extreme, and creates a lot of distortions such as female infanticide and sex-selective abortions.

If restricting reproductive rights is at all possible, I think it has to involve a tradeable ration or permit system. Each female gets, say, 2.2 permits at the time of their birth, and surrenders 1.0 permits when they bear a child. Permits could be traded, with the price providing an implicit value allocating the preference for large vs. small families. Reduced allocations over time would reflect long-term sustainable population goals.

I would favor allocating all the permits to girls, to counter the observed bias toward boys.

Plenty of holes exist in such a scheme. People may try to have more children than they carry permits for, raising the question of enforcement. If one society implements such a scheme and others don't, sustainable population goals may not be reached.

However, reproductive rights and ultimate population are thorny questions. If we are going to address them at all we should be looking at plans that make the highest allowance possible for individual preferences. I think we have a better chance of adapting to a tradeable permit system than to a one woman/one child-type mandate.

The idea of tradable birthrights has been around for a long while. Of course, it must apply to the women, since one man can inseminate hundreds (thousands?) of women. Such a system would be rather like cap-and-trade and would have the same problems being implemented, especially in a nation such as the U.S., where limits on personal freedoms are strongly opposed...

E. Swanson

Yup, it has been around a while. Kenneth Boulding was an advocate back in the 60s and 70s, and maybe the idea wasn't original even then.

We will need to be convinced that the only alternative is forced rationing of birthrights (1 child/family as with China), forced sterilization, etc. before a system of tradeable rights looks good. That may take a long time in the US, since this land is still relatively 'empty'. If I had to guess, I would say that restrictions on immigration is where it would start (immigrant families get tradeable lots on how many they can bring in as a means to control refugees and the idea gains currency....).

A quick google shows Rwanda is the most densely populated country in Africa - 183 per sq km in 1981 and 345 per sq km in 2000.

Jared Diamond talks about this in Collapse but I thought I'd just check the figures. I wonder if they're encouraging smaller families for everyone?

According to wolframalpha its now 390 per square km, about 12 times to US population density.

So population density is somewhere between that of Japan and Holland. Israel is over 300 per sq km. Bangladesh is over 1000 per sq km.