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The fact that the kite needs to be "re-set" to a position where it can again pull on the cable is not much different from the way a waterwheel needs to ride up and over the axle so that it can again collect some power from the flowing stream.
The power is in the constant high altitude wind (or the flowing stream of water) and the kite or the waterwheel is just harvesting some of it. The fact that part of the harvested energy is used up re-setting the harvesting device doesn't matter as long as a reasonable amount of net energy is collected.
Hopefully KiteGen's future prototypes will prove that a reasonable amount of net energy can be collected in this way.
The waterwheel analogy is apt.
You should, in fact, be able to build a very similar yo-yo device to replace a waterwheel, though it would likely be only drag powered, with no lift-generating mechanism. Makes me wonder if there is a yo-yo application for tidal generation, with the direction of the kite shifting with the currents.
There is a small company developing such a system where a friend of mine works as one of the innovators. The idea is to fly a hydrofoil ancored in the sea floor in a figure 8 almost exactly like the kite and extract the power by an attached water turbine. Unfortunately they got a useless web page. :-(
It is more than a waterwheel. Consider a high performance sailplane wing with a 60:1 lift / drag ratio. It could generate vastly more tension in the cable than a simple kite of equal area.
Back to basics. Air has mass. Moving air has kinetic energy. Wind machines extract the kinetic energy by slowing the air down.
Consider a modern windmill with thin long airfoils at a standstill. The blades intercept perhaps 10% of the air flowing through its disk resulting in a slight reduction in average speed and a modest drag force on the tower. Now spin it up to maximum power conditions. The airfoils slow down all the air passing through its disk producing a much larger load on the tower.
It is that ability to absorb energy from a large mass of air with a small device that is the difference. If the concept succeeds the kites may evolve into rigid wings because their high velocity allows them to absorb energy from a much larger mass of air.
I think the show stoppers are;
1. Large land requirements per MW.
2. Large airspace requirements per MW.
3. Noise. A high performance sailplane at minimum sink speed 3000 feet above the ground is silent. But at high speed it is audible on an otherwise quiet day.
Consider a 1000 lb sailplane at high speed sinking at 250 ft/min. it is converting 7.6 hp of potential energy to maintain that speed.
A 3MW rigid wing machine would be equivalent to 531 such sailplanes flying in formation. They would make considerable noise. A 3MW kite would be slower, much larger and would produce much more noise.
With increasing wind speed the required area would shrink as the wing loading increases, but I would expect the noise level to stay about the same.
Its worth testing even if every one of your objections are correct.
It cant be much wore then the german one wing wind turbine and that one ought to have been an intresting research piece in dynamics.