The DVD's will be well worth the price. The whole "Natural Gas Game Changers?" section on Monday, followed by Matt Simmons in the evening really showed the wide variety of opinion on NG supplies. Most see PO as happening in 2008, now, or by 2013, the agreement on liquids peaking was very tight. Gas was really volatile in terms of any consensus on are we at or near peak. Peter Dea kicked off the session with "Abundant NG supply, an American Treasure" and was profoundly optimistic about the US having 100+ year supply of NG. I have to admit that his talk seemed a bit more in the cheerleader mode and not a critical scientific analysis. But, not being a total doomer - I hope he's at least partially right!

Arthur Berman raised some serious concerns about rapid crashes in the shale gas fields. He has studied about 4000 wells in detail using company supplied data that is available in the public domain. It seemed pretty irrefutable and he was begging others to look at his data and show him where he is wrong or could have made errors in his analysis. He struck me as a straightforward engineer/scientist and genuinely wants to debate and discuss his findings. My main take-away is to urge extreme caution toward those who invest in shale gas plays and expect huge returns. The financing of all the shale drilling looks like a replay of our current credit debacle at best and at worst a Ponzi scheme that will implode as wells die and the ROI crashes with the cash flow from these wells. No one disputes there are a few wells that are gems but as a whole, the frac jobs don;t last and they plug back up with the most spectacular fall off in flows. Hyberbolic declines cannot model this, only a deep death exponential can explain the data. Time will tell.

Mr. Berman's somewhat downer was followed by Ed Warner's talk on how he got a dead small NG play to come to life and the result is perhaps the richest NG field in the USA today, the Jonah Field. Inspiring and a strong reminder that "we don't know what we we think we know". Simply put we don;t have the mental models or ideas to understand what is really goin on below ground. Innovation and human imagination are big, big wild cards in this industry. This was not a cornucopia plea but rather a warning to include big enough error bars in our calculations for the disruptive influence of not just technology but of new ideas and world views. A valid point and echoed by other speakers. We will not know the black swan that is out there in the future looking for a place to land, and similarly we don't know of potentially game changing discoveries and technology (like the Brazil pre-salt) that could change the game. Lastly, Mr. Warner ended with a plea for the US to get back into the nuclear game. He rapidly ticked off many nuclear myths and showed data that surprised me on how despite only one new plant in the US we make more nuclear power than France and other countries that most people consider ahead of the US.

Lastly, Matt Simmons has the evening keynote talk and a couple of quotes summarize his view on gas:
"Gas has peaked", and "data on NG (production) makes oil data look pristine".

"...he was begging others to look at his data and show him where he is wrong or could have made errors in his analysis. He struck me as a straightforward engineer/scientist and genuinely wants to debate and discuss his findings. "

I know exactly how he feels.
I have been studying the topic of Peak Oil for several years; reading articles, books, The Oil Drum, everything. I think I'm pretty much up to speed on even many of the technical issues...... BUT. It has turned out to be an exercise in total futility to get other people interested in taking seriously what is undoubtedly THE most important issue today.

And here's the punch line. I work in paleontology, with GEOLOGISTS!!!! and other scientists who SHOULD be totally interested in this subject. And they aren't. They are dyed in the wool Kool Aid drinkers who adhere tightly to the Cornecopian School. They will defend their own data in their own scientific specialty, but turn the blind eye of total disinterest to all other data.

I know of only ONE person (personally) who takes Peak Oil seriously; my crazy, eccentric, black sheep older sister (who was also always the brightest member of my family, by the way).

Jabberwock,

Convincing people shouldn't be your goal.

Try to encourage people to think about small puzzle's, about the situation at hand. By doing this you are helping yourself to get a clearer look at the present day.
I also advise you to start thinking about how we have gotten into this mess. When you understand how we got here, it's much easier to explain.

History from the technical/energy point of view from 1700ad till 1900ad is so much fun to explore. The (real) efficiency gaines in old europe were stunning. We were still making big steppes on a regular basis, but as our technical advancements progressed our steps have gotten smaller ever since. IMHO we have already started to regress, and our attempts to "solve" this are getting desperate.

Our focus will shift towards the fact that less and less energy will be available for our society, because a big percentage of our remaining energy will be needed for the energy sector itself. At some point something has to give and that will be the beginning of the sharing era. People can't survive on their own because we aren't "smart" enough to know everything. So you need a big group of all sorts of people to make everything functioning in a sustainable way. Human leveraged power combined with wind powered movement and a whole lot more clever things will be "reinvented".
And in a couple of years time, new improvements(efficiency gaines) will increase living standerds again.
Because we found our fossils their was no need to explore that route, so we didn't.

More and more people are waking up to this event, and I hope a tipping point in thinking will be reached before we all go south.

Jabberwock,
If I were you, I would get your co-workers really upset and tell them that a bunch of amateurs on TOD probably are better at geological and earth sciences than they are. Tell them it all has to do with how committed one is to finding out scientific truth. Unfortunately, you probably wouldn't be able to look them in the eye again after you do this :(

My understanding is that DVDs will not be available. Instead, they will make the videos available online -- you pay them, then they give you a password and you can look at them online all you want. Check out http://aspo.tv/.

I was a bit disappointed -- I prefer the DVDs myself. But, as I understand it, it's an economy move. The resources being spent on paper, packaging, mailing, and the DVDs themselves were becoming a burden. There were a stack of unsold 2008 conference DVD sets there, one set of which I bought and have started looking at (I wasn't at the 2008 conference).

Keith

Lastly, Matt Simmons has the evening keynote talk and a couple of quotes summarize his view on gas:
"Gas has peaked", and "data on NG (production) makes oil data look pristine".

Simmons has little credibility on the topic of natural gas. In 2003 he predicted that a natural gas cliff -- a veritable natural gas armageddon -- was a certainty in the US by 2005. And yet here we are, 6 years later, swimming in a glut of natural gas, with production at a historic high last reached in 1974.

The fact is that conventional natural gas goes through a Dispersive Discovery cycle just like anything else. Additional discoveries of alternative forms or sources of natural gas will occur concurrent and shifted to that cycle. This goes under the category of you might not find something unless you are purposely looking for it. Think about that last statement and how it may have happened to you in your own daily life. (BTW, the entire concept of Dispersive Discovery and dispersive analysis did not get discovered until I started looking for it and thus came up with it, but that's another story.)

I don't know why some common logic cannot be applied to these problems. Most of them are simple bean-counting problems that I could probably teach to a grade schooler. Of course the grade schooler would have to some familiarity with probability & statistics, but that's a detail.

So look at what Laherrere plotted

So what would you like us to do concerning natural gas? Should we model the possibility of what that new alternative discovery curve will look like? In terms of a profile, it will likely look like a spike, since all we really have to do physically is retrace our steps and look for the unconventional NG in places where we previously looked for oil and conventional NG.

I don't know if Simmons has done this but Simmons does not speak for everyone and from what I can tell does not show his math, choosing instead to use his experience as an argument. If we want to really understand this, we probably would want to delve into the analysis.

Bottom-line is that we cannot preclude that another source for Natural Gas exists, potentially lying interstitially in some formation that we haven't investigated yet, like some peat bog. Or it could be tied up in those methane hydrates. But as Dirty Harry would say, "do you feel lucky"?

I don't know that Simmons alone can be blamed for the mis-call on NG. It was a fairly widespread opinion here at TOD that NG's peak was not far behind oil's. The shale surge does not seem to have been anticipated.

How big an influence it will ultimately have on the NG production curve is what we're all interested in.

The whole thing has made me a tad more cautious. I initially gave some advice to my condo board on NG, and saw it run up 13+. Made me smell good. Then it started diving as I saw more and more written on shale gas. And I didn't smell so good -- kind of like mercaptan. I went back to Campbell and Deffeyes and could find little or no hint of this coming.

From the interview posted, Simmons was predicting a NG peak BEFORE peak oil. The trouble with Simmons is that he's been predicting all sorts of crazy stuff that has never happened. Here he's predicting $200 oil in 2008:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=809266970&play=1

In fact if you go back and listen to his many interviews, most of his predictions have been proved wrong. Of course he doesn't own the peak oil theory, but if he's going to be out there making predictions, he should get called on them when proved wrong.

Anchor: Where is the price of oil going to be on labor day Matt?
Simmons: Oh I don't know.
Simmons: But we should prepare ourselves to not be shocked when oil passes $200 a barrel.

He's not predicting $200 barrel oil but warning us to prepare for high prices in the future.

If you are gullible enough to believe in price predictions, then I guess you might believe anything. I am not standing up for Simmons, since he has his own methods, but predicting something that is the derivative of some other fundamental once or twice over and you are begging for second-guessing.

I can't speak for Simmons, but the older posts here on NG cliff (e.g. my reporting on David Hughes ASPO presentation here), referred to conventional production and acknowledge decline would be offset by unconventional, though at that time coal-bed methane was more of a focus than shale gas.