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I've noticed this phenom with a lot of well educated people. Their understanding of science and its many logical explanations for phenomenon seem in many cases to disuade them from a belief of something beyond this life. But where did the energy come from that was infused into mass in the Big Bang? What if it came from a God consciousness, but that reduced part of its consciousness to minimal and dispersed with the mass as centillions of tiny lowest level bits of consciousness. Then those bits are equal to the first arising microbes and that initiates a symbiotic positive loop exchange between physical life and consciousness. In other words each of us got our start in a ribosome or some such microbe, and in each successive life ascended to higher thought levels in more evolved species and individuals.
In this manner, consciousness in the Universe is ascending to higher more energetic thought levels, until all consciousness is once again in one God, and all mass is in one Black Hole. With both single entities overlapped, God releases a thought at rest in the form of thermal energy into the mass to cause a chain reaction expansion into a new Universe.
This would mean that the parallel to E=MC2, is thought equals consciousness times the speed of light squared; T=COC2
What if our thought levels ascended to more energetic levels by way of Intellect and Love? This is part of a Theory I wrote called 'The General Theory of Gravi-Conscilution', in a book I'm finishing up called 'Intellect & Love'.
My Father was an atheist and convinced me of that perspective, until an incident when I was 14 when I almost drowned. My life flashed back accompanied by a commentary from a voice I didn't recognize that explained how important my life had been to the other people in my life. My final memory was lying down on a floor at such a young age I couldn't move, then moving to a white light. The feeling is something you can't describe, but it felt like I was going somewhere very loving. I then jolted myself back into coherence, struggled one more time to get loose from some rope and surfaced a non-atheist.
The Theory is based on the simple hypothesis of a Universe composed of equal amounts of mass & consciousness and it is their interaction that supports an ever expanding and contracting Universe.
It contains 10 predictions, one of which I'm trying to prove in a table-top experiment. I realize if I can't prove it scientifically it will remain just another idea. If the experiment works I'll post it here on TOD as well as in a press release.
Perk,
Fwiw,I can see no reason whatsoever that there might NOT be a God of some sort, other than our prejudices.The question cannot be disproved so far as I know.
It does not seem to me that Occam's razor can be applied in this instance-the existence of a god of some sort seems no less likely than the existence of the universe itself.Perhaps one implies the other.
Certainly the chicken and the egg are only alternate forms of the same entity.
I have known a couple of people very well who have had experiences somewhat similar to the one you relate.These experiences were adequate to make believers of THEM.
I do believe that if there is a God He , She, or It would find it exceedingly tedious to be bothered with us, and that if such an interested God existed, we would have some unequiovical proof of the same, if he/she/it wants our attention.
Mark Twain wrote a good deal of what I must admit is rather biting satire concerning the Christian religion and I reccomend it highly to those with a taste for such literature.
OFM, Allow me to begin by stating that you're a favorite of mine here. It's not just your name. Your perspectives are mostly appreciated:-) My only comment is that the subtleties of a g_d, whatever the definition of g-d you prefer, is a thing the english language falls far short describing.....BECAUSE, the subtleties of the triune brain are incapable of processing.
Humility, of which you demonstrate a fair share, is something humans as a species needs to find.
Knowledge of the triune brain should make you wonder if that is why religions with 3-headed gods are so popular (father, son, holy spirit = reptilian, limbic, neo-cortical shells? Hmmm)
Never considered this, most interesting. So which is which?
maybe -- father/neo-cortical - holy spirit/limbic - son/reptilian
No, no. Father is definitely reptilian because Father is evolutionary origin. Son is definitely limbic because care for family is a limbic function. And of course, the unearthly and abstract spirit must be the neo cortex which indeed does delve into abstract mathematical and other thoughts.
Here is a link to one of my old lemming blog posts: quantum-religion-ism which may give you better insight into how all religions work: Hinduism, Islam, Christianity.
Robin
Incapable or do you think maybe it's possible just rather difficult? What about the triune human brain would make it impossible/very difficult? Is it more of a language issue?
Any books on the subject could you recommend.
thanks
For OFM consumption, or others as so desired but mainly to OFM,
My perspective as I studied both American versions of the KJV(Scolfield edition), The Torah(in Hebrew),the rest of the rather recent Hebrew Bible, The Kaballah, The Sefer Yetzirah, Dead Sea Scrolls texts and much more.
Firstly. The (GOD) we speak of here is the God of Israel. Thus "they" deal with that GOD. And they do NOT call him GOD as that is NOT His name. His name is unknownable. It is ineffable. It is unpronouncable.
One CANNOT 'know' God(using the form we find so easily to ripple off our tongues.
That God is known in some ways by the word Elohim or more precisely Eloi. Yet that is still not HIS name...as he told Moses "I AM THAT I AM" (as we translate it) as still that is not His name. The word Eloi is one of several names applied to what is the workings of a God to the Hebrews. I think in fact there are seven or possibly more. El Shaddai is another.
The closest one can come is what is referred to as The Tetragrammaton...a Greek word. The Hebrew writes it as a Ya Hey Vau Hey....the Y,H,V,H in Hebrew which the country bumpkins and others try to vocalize as Yahweh but still this is not correct and is misleading.
In essence therefore NO ONE 'knows' the mind of God(EL)..no one. He is undifferentiated.
Speaking of what he is or might be is fruitless. Preachers love to tell us about what God wants and so forth. They DO NOT know this..its bullshit. They can make suppositions and so forth but knowledge? They have none.
This is the way of the Hebrews and being he is Their God this is how they deal with it.
So when the Tetragammontron is read in the scrolls or books they do not SAY anything and will skip it but more often with use another word and that word is Adonai..or Adanoy or words to that effect but Adonai is mostly substituted.
Fine. And so what do we use in English for this word(Adonai)? We say Lord. That is what the KJV uses.
Lord. Massive confusion now comes into play because the Christians do not know who they are referring when they use the word LORD. Mostly I think they mean Jesus Christ but really I think they are just ignorant enough to use what the KJV says and let it go at that. But its wrong nonetheless.
All this science and jabberwocky by scientists about God this and God that is rather silly then because just as the world of Quantum Mechanics reaches the state of being just "Probabilities" instead of concrete knowledge,such as knowning position AND velocity, they do not know what they speak of but just fall into the vernacular usage dissing the whole subject of a real GodHead.
The Jewish sages and rabbis have studied this area for thousands of years and there are extensive tomes written on this and the studies. The Sefer Yetzirah being one of the earliest and only translated and published for the english speaking rather recently. The abilty to decipher the Hebrew text was extremely difficult due to it being written is such manner as it is. Being much of the Hebrew priesthood taught this orally and passed it on in such manner in the Yeshivas and elsewhere.
Sefer means Bookj and Yetzirah means Creation(loosely translated that is).
Moses Cordova and many many others spent lifetimes in this pursuit. The pursuit of these esoteric tomes and texts. This in my opinion is where Christians demean the whole area with greatly trying to simplify and make trivial the whole cast and issues of the Hebrew God.
We have trivialized it to the point of being dismissed as of having any value whatsoever. The preaching of Christianity by charlatans and riffraff has further caused damage almost beyond belief.
Those asinine little homilies written on signboards outside most churches have further trivialized the study and practice. Pedophile Catholic Priests have almost been the death knell of what is left.
Yet for the seeker there is still a pathway to possible understanding if one pursues the absolute truths and seeks righteously.
I spend much of my later years in just that pursuit and the rewards have been fruitful.
But to each his own. I assume Hell needs sinners just as much as the reverse and there is likely huges supplies everywhere as this country which once espoused spiritual beliefs during its founding now spirals the toilet bowl to death and doom beyond measure.
Airdale-maybe not for you,maybe not for others, maybe what we each pursue is what we are BUT I am a believer nonetheless and will not be deterred by any force on this earth or words of any man or institution,,,,this is the path I walk, I carry no baggage and I mostly along alone as we all must eventually, and finding the very slight imprints of those who have gone on before me but I will study the words of others and take from it what I think is true and reject what I think is false
as I use the only means I have of discernment, my own thoughts and mind and so to each his own and his own ending as they so desire, be it Ghenna,Sheol or Pardes.
Hi Airdale,
I'm glad to see you are alive and well and posting again.
Many people much wiser than I can ever hope to be have come to conclusions close to yours.
I must say that even though I am not a believer in any ordinary sense neither am I convinced there is no God of any sort-I just don't see any evidence there is one-nor any evidence that there isn't.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of abscence.
I have not made a study of the roots of Christianity that can hold a candle to the one you have - I am impressed- I have never met a lay person who knows more and have never associated with professional theologians of any sort except to read a few .
I have read enough to know that what we read in the KJB is about as closly related to the original source material as the end message from the last kid on the old Art Linkletter show is to the message given to the first kid.(They sat about ten little kids in chairs and told the first one something to be passed on the his nieghbor.)
A great deal of my problems with religion arises from the self serving and hypocritical behavior of religious leaders-something you speak of with contempt.
But in the last analysis I must remain a Darwinian who believes that religion is some sort of artifact of our evolving intelligence and that there is no evidence of a God looking over us or after us or even being interested in our existence in the sense of a biologist looking at an ant colony.
I probably have a bad case or sour grapes as a result of this belief-but this is where the evidence leads me.
I do not doubt that people who believe otherwise are happier in many cases.
A good way to describe my attitude toward religion from my PERSONAL POV is that my experience with it has been like the experience of a simple and honest man who falls in love with a woman who is stringing him along and finally realizes the truth.
The love of a good woman is among the most wonderful of all things for those who are lucky enough to have it but it is of no value to those who don't.
Except that it does not account for the fact that among the human species there are dozens if not more religions each worshiping 1, 3 or many gods and each claiming that their version is the only true god(s) and that somehow this god(s) is peculiarly fond of the human species and of the small orb known as Earth from among the billions of orbs in the Universe and the who-knows-how-many sentient species in the Universe.
We know that on our planet there are other sentient beings: dolphins, whales, other apes, our mammalian pets (dogs, cats), birds, etc. What gods do they worship and do they believe theirs is made in their own image?
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Thanks for all the fish.
And oh, BTW, the answer is 42.
Could be that there is a common underling reality that religions are built on. Sure religions tend to play power grab games, the struggle for higher serotonin levels, but maybe there is something of value underneath. If so it includes all of life, no just us humans, and it is definitely not based on some Santa Claus type of hierarchical all powerful spiritual entity.
Of course there is an underlying common reality.
It's called the human brain.
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You are not "you" although "you" delude yourself into believing so. ;-)
In one respect I count myself among the real experts-books in general.Too bad there's no money in reading all the time or I'd be rich.
Everyboby here can take this to the bank-Douglas Adams' books are so good that you can be ready to commit suicide and yet wind up laughing so hard you become breathless by reading them.
The answer is indeed 42.