Our Toughest Foes: Apathy and Cynicism
Posted by Glenn on February 12, 2006 - 10:19am in The Oil Drum: Local
Topic: Sociology/Psychology
Tags: bicycling, greenmarkets, local, manhattan, new york, oil, peak oil, sustainability [list all tags]
Afterward we had lunch and discussed our experience. Trying to get people's attention is quite a demanding task. A lot of people are totally apathetic, and either don't look at you, or look right through you. This experience with the average person was eye-opening. Our toughest enemy in creating a more sustainable world is not the cornucopians like John Tierney, but rather the pervasive apathy and cynicism in our post-modern society. And in particular, I'd like to call out my own demographic - Caucasian men and women between 20-35 years old (with an ipod in their ear and a latte in their hand). If we don't try to create change now for the world we will inherit, who will?
Even if I achieve all that I hope to in my neighborhood, it would help somewhat but not stave off a severe PO scenario. But at least we would have done our share and we would be in a better position to adapt to the new realities.
Herein lies the answer: It would take all the neighborhoods in America together to find ways to solve the peak oil associated problems.
So TODers, what's your local plan to take action to make your community more sustainable?
Here are some suggestions on how to frame your thinking about taking action locally.



Every time I think about PO in general, and how to sell it, it raises the question of whether to jump right in with PO, or tell them about other problems that will conveniently be solved at the same time. Usually, the latter is better, since those reasons are more palatable. Take the bike lanes issue: for most people, it's not about reducing oil use, it's about reducing traffic congestion. I suppose that if we get the outcome we want and change people's habits for the future, it doesn't matter if they don't know why they're really doing us a favor for the future.
I've probably tried to raise it with fifty people in real life, at least fifty more online outside the peak oil community. Perhaps 2 or 3 of them actually took it seriously at all, so I guess it will take some shock event to bring even a decent minority out of their torpor. It doesn't bode well for humanity waking up in time to do something effective to mitigate.
Fortunately there is beginning to be a little mention of the subject in the more serious UK media. Though relatively few people actually pay attention to that and the content hasn't been particularly good yet, I hope the steady drip of that low level background noise will eventually impinge on mass consciousness.
Perhaps the best route, for now, would be to target populations that are more likely to be interested and aware - leafleting farmers' markets, green and ecological meetings maybe.
http://www.bikeleague.org/about/index.html
FWIW, I'd say that I make a daily effort to reduce fossil fuel consumption, but now and then I back off a bit. It's no fun to be a hair-shirted monk in a world of libertines. So for what it's worth I try to keep my "averages" low, but loosen up now and then. Whether that is an accommodation to Apathy & Cynicism, or a means to combat it ... who knows.
I think those ranks of (what I'm semi-seriously calling) libertines will change on their own, if they change at all.
First remove the telephone pole from your eye, then remove the speck from your neighbor's eye.
(BTW, I do ride to the excellent local carnicerias to buy meat! But that happy ride might also be seen ...)
Furthermore I can drink you under the table, beat you at tennis or fencing, wipe you out at Trivial Pursuit and sail right by your power boat when you run out of gas.
Also, I have a great sense of humor;-)
Don't lose that sense of humour - I, at least, appreciate and like it - but do try to augment it with a bit more self wisdom before it's too late, particularly if your genetics are the least bit unfavourable.
Live long and prosper
Please explain,
What did I do right?
Once the waveform collapses you watch the electron, rather than ponder the probabilities of the waveform.
I have this feeling, however, that somehow I can create "luck" and beat probabilities. I know intellectually this is totally irrational, but I feel it nevertheless.
In addition I think the men in my family are attracted to spectacularly intelligent women who have ancestors the same. But nutrition has something to do with it: My father was 5'3" and I'm 5'9" but my son is 6'4" tall. To grow thirteen inches in three generations is probably a lot more than just genetic selection.
One huge puzzle to me is why we are no smarter than people were 2,500 years ago. That is about 100 generations, and as I understand evolution, being smarter than others should provide some advantages. Yet if you read the ancient Greeks, it is pretty clear that people have not gotten smarter at all, and the simplest hypothesis is dysgenic breeding.
Oh now I'm going to be attacked from all sides, but maybe there is something to "The Bell Curve." I do know this: Plato worried a lot about dumb people having more kids than smart ones. Anything that Plato worried about, I worry about.
Thus, to do my part and redress the imbalance, I decided the right and moral thing to do was to have a lot of kids and improve the gene pool;-)
In a contest for Political Incorrectness, I'll win hands down. LOL
Many things can be limited by environment and can limit us in many ways, perhaps that has to do with height in your family, it reminded me of something I read yesterday: 'In 1942, 17-year-old Pvt. Harold Zatkowsky sat down for his first breakfast in the U.S. Army. "That was the first time in my life when I got enough to eat." '
http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communique&newsid=10940
There's an hypothesis in evolutionary biology that the rapid increase in human brain capacity was a direct result of dietary changes of humans living near seas and eating more fish oils. Twin studies indicate that about two thirds of intelligence (as measured by IQ tests) is due to genetic inheritance and only a third due to environment - but that third can make a huge difference, lol.
There's a lot of room under a bell curve, those at the extreme high end may be rare but are the ones whose words are most likely to live through history. Perhaps there are proportionately as many or more with the ability of Plato now but relative to the accumulated wisdom, knowledge and intelligence of humankind they are less obvious. I once saw a quote (dunno how accurate it is) that the average male in 17th century England processed as much information in their life as was in a typical 1980s UK Sunday newspaper - and they've got bigger since then!
Political correctness must not preclude rational discussion of important subjects. You and Plato were right to be worried about that, methinks. Many things, including 'luck', contribute to survivability, and human development seems to have thwarted most of those determinants in the last couple of centuries - but before then they were largely operational - without substituting any alternative mechanisms. No doubt some corrective processes will occur one way or another, if Darwin was near correct. Genetic (mitachondrial DNA) studies seem to suggest that virtually all modern humans are descended from a mere 6 or 7 women, hopefully we won't come that close to exterminating ourselves in the future.
Like Yogi Berra?
It's why I never had kids. I already raised a family when you count taking care of the younger ones.
This type of message, where its not only not 'cool' to be profligate and unaware, but IS cool to be sustainable- has to, and will someday pick up momentum. People wont do things for the planet unless it somehow helps their own lives as well. We need to change culture in a way that conforms to our evolutionary impulses to be more fit than the next guy (even if we consciously are thinking about saving frogs going extinct, we are subconsiocusly thinking about how to get the 'chicks' and get more money-our cultural fitness measuring stick)
my little stunt is a small step in the direction of having 'chicks' choose differently - (the money thing will only follow post peak) If some would be Humvee buyer consciously sees that driving one makes him an a$$hole, maybe he/she would reconsider the purchase, out of shame.
( I rationalize that my actual use of the Humvee and miles driven will be outweighed by the impact of smaller future Hummer sales, so that 'technically', Im not really an a$$hole)
If a Hummer isn't "good enough" rent out a moving truck and put signage made with bed sheets. We could send out press releases a few days before we embark on out gratuitous missions of fuel-wasting protest. You could make a CD with one "song" with a repeating message like an advertising sound truck, blaring the stereo. For Hummers, you could get magnetic signage made easally so as you drive off, you get your load of fuel, slap the signs on, and slip the CD in, and start your all-day drive. Of course, you drive the "a$$hole-mobile" by crowds to attract attention. A nice bright RED Hummer would work best, the only case where you WANT a red vehicle.
Let's pick a date this summer. 7/4/2006? I'm game!
People think that if we can just educate people on issues, they will all come around the to "right" way of thinking about something. But the problem is that "Success", defined crudely as actions that result in more of what you desire in a certain timeframe, doesn't always align with what is "right".
Wealth and power are measured in timeframes shorter than those of their impacts. There has long been, and forever will be a thoughtful and more educated minority of activists. Many will burn out in grassroots attempts at converting the masses. But the problem is a company, government, or individual who is willing to seek short term gains at the longer term expense of others, will often be "better off" and their offspring will be "better off" and so will overpower those who are more thoughtful of the long term impacts. There are many exceptions, and they do well in proving the rule. If you match a peaceful, long term thinking culture and pit them against the power of highly consumptive U.S. like culture in a conflict, it is clear who will continue to exist in the future and who will perish (in the timeframe of that conflict, not ultimately). It is this fact that we are inherently ill equipped to be "aware" of the long term (knowing only cerebrally, not instinctually) that will cause us to face Peak Oil more as crisis than as transition.
-Ptone
There are many who have given up on trying to educate the masses. At this point we plan the best we can so that we can to survive as individuals, and the folks with the big SUVs and all the rest will be blindsided when TSHTF.
Part of the problem is that for many people this 'issue' still isn't critical - it is optional.
The best analogy I can come up with is that people say we ought to reduce oil usage just like people say they need to work out at the gym more often, but in the end it is just talk.
This is really coupled with the individualism, materialism, consumerism and all of the rest that people in our society have strongly embraced. I hear some people talk who say they are all for alternative energy, and once it becomes cheaper than traditional energy they would buy it. No thought given to simply using less for the common good - the notion that there even is a common good got lost years ago.
I hate to say it, but I am thinking that it won't be until oil prices jump a few more times that people will be sufficiently introspective to actually do something about it.
Now I want to buy a low priced used LPG car and low priced farmland. The apathy of the masses makes those tasks easier. Since it is at least 20 years too late to mitigate the PO transition, public education in 2006 doesn't make any sense at all. The apathy I used to hate is now my best friend. Go sheep, keep playing your oil age consumer games while the rest of us quietly prepare for the inevitable.
I think that it might be a good idea to permanently post the preprinted versions of Hubbert's remarks somewhere.
http://mobjectivist.blogspot.com/2005/05/our-petroleum-predicament.html
A Special Editorial Feature by GEORGE PAZIK Editor & Publisher, Fishing Facts, November 1976
Excerpt:
The preprinted version of Hubbert's paper distributed at the March 7, 1956 American Petroleum Institute meeting in San Antonio, Texas had the following statements:
"According to the best currently available information, the production of petroleum and natural gas on a world scale will probably pass its climax within the order of a half a century (i.e., 2006), while for both the United States and for Texas, the peaks of production may be expected to occur within the next 10 or 15 years. (i.e., 1966 to 1971)
"Assuming this prognosis is not seriously in error, it raises grave policy questions with regard to the future of the petroleum industry. It need not be emphasized that there is a vast difference between the running of an industry whose annual production can be counted on to increase on the average 5 to 10 percent per year and one whose output can be depended upon to decline at that rate. Yet, in terms of the production of natural gas and crude oil, this appears to be what the petroleum industry in the United States is facing."
(When the paper was published, after Shell Oil Company censors had finished with it, the statement above was deleted and replaced with the following: "the culmination for petroleum and natural gas in both the United States and Texas should occur within the next few decades.")
You do not get feedback.
I got a realy nice energy politics article into the largest local newspaper a couple of days ago on the most read page. 0 phone calls, 0 emails, so far 0 answers in the newspaper (the editing delay can be a week or two), 0 letters, some friends and relativs commenting that it was a realy good one.
The direct feedback to established politicians seems to a large extent be nutty people, a few ordinary citizens, friend and relatives and other politicians. Politicians high up in the hierachies seems to often become isolated and only get feedback from other politicians, mass media and lobbyists. I get the impressions that their views on things then can drift away to strange lands, at least that would explain a lot about how the world is led.
Of course, I do not realy know how strange my views on things are. I use misc sources and debates such as TOD to "anchor" them in reality. A sad thing about that is that a 0 feedback article perhaps accomplishes much more then writing with feedback such as this forum or other with more nutty people then sane. TOD has better signal/noise ratio then most. But it is said and I think it its true that the thankless work is important for winning the election. I might be spoiled by the direct feedback on the net.
Your work to get something good built probably do more good then what is apparant when you campaign. Try and try again. Perhaps you can also figure out better ways of getting it done, that is what I try myself when my political opponents have a good idea or get something to work.
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
How does TOD match up?
Small group? 1777 member spread throughout the world
Thoughtful? Definitely! The best on the web IMHO
Committed? To varying degrees, but I would say more committed than most. There's definitely some room for improvement
The Peak Oil special today is Ham and Swiss :-)
It might work because you would be offering an immediate benefit in exchange for the off chance they would actually read the print near the coupon.
With a catchy headline they might even read further.
Just a thought.
Where is our Tom Paine?
Where is our Patrick Henry?
And where oh where can we find George Washington . . . Ben Franklin . . . . Where is our Madison? Or Adams? or Jefferson?
Let us make no small plans.
How about a new political party? Both the Dems and GOP are worthless and worse than worthless in their craven dependence on Big Money from the fat cats in special-interest groups that benefit from the status quo.
What would be a good name for such a political party? (BTW, the Green party had to fail, partly because of its unimaginative name. Names matter.)
For example, in Minnesota, a state that not long ago elected professional wrestler Jesse "The Body" Ventura to be Governor (as an Independent) we now have Jonathon "The Impaler" Sharkey, also a professional wrestler, Satanic Dark Priest, Sanguinarian Vampyre, and Hecate Witch. Now that is what I call originality: a self-confessed vampire as politician! Truth in advertising? I mean, how many other candidates for high political office confess to being vampires? Until somebody better comes along, he's got my vote. Maybe we can co-opt him to TOD agenda, because after he becomes governor, he has presidential ambitions.
O.K., who wants to start a new political party?
You had dumb people then too - its just that the works they created were not saved by anyone - so today you have no record.
Alas today, if humanity still has technology in its futue, all the dumb things said via SMS and on usenet will be around for others to read.
How about a new political party? Both the Dems and GOP are worthless and worse than worthless in their craven dependence on Big Money from the fat cats in special-interest groups that benefit from the status quo.
The purpose of government is to benefit the status quo. Period. Each American here HAS gained a benefit from the dollar as international trade unit - with all the baggage which comes along from that idea.
The problem for humanity is when the benefit goes away, the resulting actions of the removal of what is seen as an entitlement/birthright will mostlikely end up in personal harm being done to us.
As for a political party - you have the Technocracy (One of the founders is M. King Hubbert). If one wishes to break the back of large corps, VERY local government would mean they'd have to spend large amounts of money ALL over, instead of spending a bunch on the federal level - the downside is local corrupt or just plain incompetant officials
I'd like to read it.
(My guess is that you're a swede like me)
http://www.corren.se/archive/2006/2/7/ijvrj8lweyd6uff.xml?category1=1097835189-26&category2=1097 835189-27
Its lots of thoughts in very few words and its in Swedish.
I agree with your thoughts fully, great short piece. However I think very few not already thinking of the energy issue will really get it. But I can feel the awareness and worries growing in general; friends and collegues is showing more interest when the subject comes up. At least in the rather academic context in which I live.
By the way, regarding the subject of this thread, I find people not listening if you start the subject of PO flat out. Rather make them as