John Tierney's brilliant energy plan

If you have access to Times select (through a library, your own subscription, whatever), you might be interested in reading John Tierney's NYT column on what he thinks it means to be addicted to oil. In a nutshell, he dismisses any possible future energy problems, because he just assumes that the next, latest, greatest thing will inevitably come along: "The problem with Americans is not that we're addicted to oil. As soon as oil becomes more trouble than it's worth, we will sensibly stop putting it in our cars."

Toward the end he goes on to say:

The United States spent decades propping up the shah of Iran only to see the country fall into the hands of our archenemies, but Iran is still exporting oil -- and it is a lot more reliable producer than Iraq, despite all the money and lives we've spent there. The best guarantee of future oil supplies is the sellers' greed, not our diplomatic and military efforts.

When something finally comes along that's cheaper and more reliable than oil, no national energy plan will be necessary. Capitalists will be ready to sell it to eager American drivers. For now, the best strategy is to buy gasoline and stop worrying that it's sinful or dangerous.

I'm very frustrated by this, you know?
The guy really said this?  Sounds an awful lot like Nero's fiddle to me.
Statements like this wouldn't be so bad if the deal was made plain to the consumer - you are on your own, choose your energy plan wisely.

My frustration is that government takes the easy way out and prtends they are taking care of the future.  The Pres holds hand with Saudis.  The Pres talks about hydrogen cars.  No need to worry, right?

As I've said before (and elsewhere) we'd be better off with either a true free market plan OR a mananged energy plan.  The damange comes because we really have a free-ish market plan in the background, with just enough of a "planning" veneer to satisfy the consumer (for now).

At some point the consumer will wake up to the disconnect ($3/gal gas? 4?) but in the meantime the kabuki continues.

Strictly speaking, Mr. Tierney is correct--there will be alternative energy sources.  The problem is of course one of scale.   Once we are on the downslope of Peak Oil worldwide, which is where we are probably at today, alternative energy sources will only slow--and not reverse--the decline in the total conventional energy supply.  

In terms of BTU equivalent, we use--from oil, natural gas, coal and nuclear -- the energy equivalent of a billion barrels of oil every five days.   We use the energy equivalent of Prudhoe Bay every 60 days.  It will be very difficult for any alternative energy source or sources to make up more than a small fraction of this rapidly depleting conventional energy supply.

For example, in Canada, even with increasing production from tar sands, total oil production year over year is basically flat.  When you plug in the net energy calculations, total Canadian oil production is actually going backwards, on a net energy basis, year over year.  

Exactly. Theoretically he's right, but he doesn't give any context to how that transition will occur or if we will have a better or worse standard of living on the other side. IMHO the process will be very painful to many people except the super rich. And on the other side we will have significantly lower per capita energy usage.

However that doesn't mean that after the adjustment we will necessarily have a lower quality of life...it all depends on what we do in the meantime.

To me the real question is exactly how you define quality of life.  If having a high quality of life is defined as owning lots of stuff, then yes, you could say that the quality of life would be lowered.  In some sense this is part of the reason that past attempts to get people to conserve energy have failed - you are implicitly asking people to make a sacrifice in their lives - to give up something that they value.  The problem is that they still watch the advertising, and still want the stuff, and they don't like the fact that they cannot have it.

There are of course some things that we really truly need to survive.  Food, water, shelter, clothing are the basics needed just to keep the body alive - things like companionship and friendship would be needed by most people.

When energy prices go up, and people will have to go without, they will still remember and miss the things that they used to own and the things they used to do, and they would resent the fact that this is no longer possible.  People would be inclined to reach for anything to keep things going so that they don't have to give up their material things.

My thinking is that there needs to be a fundamental shift in thinking so that quality of life is measured in entirely different ways.  If we can reach a point where many of the materialistic and consumeristic urges are gone from our lives, then giving up material things up is no longer a hardship.  In fact, it can be liberating in the sense that having stuff that you no longer want or need is a nuisance.

Such a change does run against human nature to a degree, but I believe that many of the wants and desires are planted in our minds by the media.  For that matter, I doubt that most people could make such a change overnight - it will take a while to unlearn consumerism.

A non-materialistic society would seem to be incompatible with a capitalistic society.  Right now with growth being an economic requirement, there is almost a need for people to buy more crap each and every year in order to keep the whole thing humming along.  I have seen other comments here where people suggest that a new economic paradigm is needed - the problem is that nobody really knows quite what it is going to look like.

"there needs to be a fundamental shift in thinking so that quality of life is measured in entirely different ways."

That is going to be long and slow.  I spend a lot of time on home theater forums (a very fun hobby which I will miss tremendously).  There are a bunch of very smart, very knowledgeable people on these forums.  However, almost uniformely, they spend an amazing amount of time talking about advancements in the future, how much prices will go down, what the equipment will be like in 5 or 10 years.  It is almost sad to think about what a shock the future is likely to be to these guys.

They could move closer to each other and cooperate with building a little larger theathers where they share the electronics cost and input a lot of their own building work to get good acustics.

They could then recover some of the cost by selling tickets...

It wont be home theater any more, but small scale theater.
And it would generate social capital for them.

It will be very difficult for any alternative energy source or sources to make up more than a small fraction of this rapidly depleting conventional energy supply.
Very difficult, but only in the short term.  Humanity currently uses about 400 quads/year of energy from all sources.  In contrast, there is an estimated 72 terawatts of wind power available world-wide.  72 terawatts comes to 2150 quads/year of pure electricity (equivalent to about 3x as much fuel, due to conversion losses).

The world is literally awash in usable energy, we just need to develop the technologies to use it effectively.

Everyone is frustrated - you aren't alone. But it was clear from the SOTU that this administration intends to continue with its aggressive and preemptive foreign policies. It is also apparent, from what has been well documented on this board, that the current administration will say absolutely anything to the American people, while quietly doing nothing or even the opposite of what it proposes. We are now on course to broaden the conflict in the Middle East via Iran. The cheering for Bush druing the SOTU made my skin crawl. Former presidents and scholars tell us what he has done with domestic spying is illegal, but we are powerless to stop him. The admission that we are addicited to oil is nothing short of a non-event, and it's definitely not news.

We are well along the path to the chaos of Peak OIl - it will make things fall apart. And looking at the current government, and the possible next government of this country only makes this more obvious to well read people. Things will slowly unravel, and it will get progressively worse. I'm already getting ready for next hurricane season - it's just around the corner, and the government hasn't repaired a single levee. There are blue tarps all over the Gulf Coast skylines still...

Wake up!! Only your local government is in your control, and only your local government can do anything anyway. The federal guys simply do not care other than for appearances sake.  Changes will come, but they will be forced by circumstances and prices. It's not going to be easy to go cold turkey - but that is what we are left with.

The handwriting is all over the media and the internet - read it and get yourselves and your families ready. It's just a matter of when and what manner things fall apart.

Re: "When something finally comes along that's cheaper and more reliable than oil, no national energy plan will be necessary...."

THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO HANDBOOK -- A Parody by John Tierney.

The Best-Case Scenrio Handbook shows readers how to cope with sudden wealth, power, love, success, and earthly glory. In scenario after scenario, it's what to do when life takes a turn for the lucky. When, for example, your car is rear-ended by another vehicle on a country road and Bill Gates stumbles out and slurs, "What'll it take to make this go away?" When Yale University accidentally admits your child--with a full scholarship. When an ATM machine goes berserk and starts spewing cash. When your husband says, "Dear, if we're going to spend $5,000 on a dress, don't you need the right necklace to go with it?" There are tips on how to accept an Oscar, sleep in First Class, shop for a private plane, take the presidential oath, and handle a polite, friendly teenage child.


John Tierney is a columnist and
writer for The New York Times.
He recently won his second
Nobel Prize and is often
mistaken for Brad Pitt

Of course, Tierney is engaging in some humor but I see a lot a validity in that Brad Pitt comparison not so much because of good looks, no, I believe it's the similarity of intellect we must look at here....

Sort of reminds(looks like) me of Dan Quayle...anybody remember him?
I'm still not sure how to spell it:
P-O-E  T-A-Y   T-O-E.   Right?
Huh George, did I get it right, did I get it right?

All kidding aside, our country desparately needs leaders who can "intellectualize" at levels well above 3rd grade spelling bees.

Popularity contests are not the "smart" way to go.

Capitalists will be ready to sell it to eager American drivers.

Well, that is no doubt true.  

What he leaves out is that it's only the extremely wealthy American drivers who will able to afford to buy...

The new hybrid will be a bicycle with regenerative brakes.
starting to see a pattern here.
Matt over at LATOC just posted a link to this gem:

But far more important is the understanding that oil is not a natural resource.

In other words, the natural resource is not the "stuff" _ it's the mind of man who is capable of turning "stuff" into something incredibly useful and valuable.

whoowey, TPTB have set their intellectual dobermans onto us. run for cover before they tear you limb from limb!

I've heard that argument carried even farther (often by religious conservatives).  If the "real" natural resource is human ingenuity, then obviously, the more people you have, the better.  Therefore, we should discourage, perhaps even outlaw, birth control so as to increase our "resources" as much as possible.  
There is also that Murphy's law that states that the Earth total human intellect is a constant value. While the population keeps growing and growing...
Damn, everything and anything gets called 'Murphy's law' these days huh ?
That only proves Murphy right.
"Whatever" can go wrong, eventually will, even Murphy's Law.
I can't help but notice that the Nobel prizes in the sciences go overwhelmingly to people who practice the opposite of what those religious conservatives preach.  A nation with huge masses of poor, uneducated peasants and the social regimentation to keep the peace is ill-suited to the exercise of ingenuity.
There is another sense in which the John Tierney/Betsy Hart pieces are "religious". The Julian Simon cornucopians have faith in their precept that the human mind is above (i.e., not beholden to) physical constraints.

Just as most fervent religious believers would, when circumstances threaten their faith, they have to proclaim their faith ever more loudly.

Much of the economic & ecological history of the 20th century - especially the latter half - can be explained by fact that the world was on the steeply rising part of the global Hubbert curves for fossil fuels. Just as the tectonic theory explained many seemingly disparate phenomena, the Hubbert curve explains the Simon v. Ehrlich wager, the green revolution, population growth, etc.

Of course, human ingenuity is what enabled the growth of fossil fuels; but it remains to be seen whether and how this faith will persist on the Hubbert downslope. But the faithful have to believe & shout out that they believe it will triumph.

REQUEST to Prof GOOSE or SS or Yankee:

Now that we have worked up our froth over the John Tierney/Betsy Hart pieces and the other Julian Simon cornucopians, can we open a new thread for Tom Tom Friedman and his desire to be "energy independent"?

(I've always thought only the dead were "energy independent". But obviously Tom Tom has better ideas in his Moby Dick Cheney blow out editorial today in the --where else?-- New York Times --all the news that's fit for delay.)

Stop it. There are some people you can't afford to lose. Friedman's posture and intentions are correct. If his method is unpalatable, that can be worked on. This guy is the most widely respected (current)NYT columnist who gets major exposure.

Maureen and Paul wish they could be this guy. Tierney can barely write. Bill Safire should think about coming out of retirement.

Friedman supports a dollar tax on gasoline and has written on the subject. He has pull, maybe more so in a Democratic regime than a Republican one, but whatever. Better to get him on the winning team than to alienate him.

Sorry to bring science into this, but oil is obviously a natural resourse. Furthermore, this type of logic depends on one of two assumptions if one is to be convinced that oil scarcity will not be a problem. Either, human ingenuity will discover a better alternative (this approach wins because it circumvents the original topic of the argumend), or human ingenuity will discover better ways to use the oil so we have enough. The first assumption makes the whole argument moot, since you are not arguing with a logical person. The second assumption is just plain wrong. There is only so much energy in a barrel of oil, ethanol...etc. Even if one could harness the rest energy of the individual subatomic components there would be a finite value (though converting mass directly to energy probably would solve the problem).
Betsy (Minds&) Hart(s of America) continues by explaining:

[T]here is no reason, except for price, for me to cut back on any of this [oil consumption]. (I'm not even going to deal with the "greenhouse gas" argument here.) News flash: We have plenty of oil (and, of course, coal for electricity). Bigger news flash: We'll come up with more when we have to.

... the natural resource is not the "stuff" _ it's the mind of man who is capable of turning "stuff" into something incredibly useful and valuable. Julian Simon was a brilliant economist who made just this point in his book, "The Ultimate Resource" (paperback, 1983). He took on the 1970s doom-and-gloomers, who said we were running out of everything except people. Instead, Simon showed that when we looked at man's amazing mind as the "ultimate" resource, then we could understand that natural resources were essentially limitless. As long as that mind is free, it will come up with answers.

Now you have to ask yourselves:
(Clint Eastwood wants you to)

Why are "they" (the minions of the power elite) even bothering to pump out this black trash? (Poo pooing peak oil.)

The answer is because you TOD readers are having an effect.

You TOD readers are getting the message out. Are you feeling lucky now punks, huh, are you?

Exactly how you guys are getting the message out to the grazing, sleeping sheeple, I'm not sure; but you are. Pat yourselves on the back. Now get back to work.

You are making it onto "their" RADAR screen. Being a major part of SoTuS is being on the RADAR screen.

"They" are starting to get worried. "They" are shelling out bucks to Betsy Hart-o-mine and her ilk to write this Hakunah Mattada stuff and to disseminate it all over the newspapers.

Keep up the good works (as Max Weber would say).

That is a very interesting perspective. You are suggesting disinformation.

Although I am inclined to characterize Tierney's and Hart's work as denial, or even ignorance, calling it propaganda is certainly clever. It's a polite way of saying: "liar" isn't it?  

"They" get paid for doing their devil's work. More here
Will asks: It's a polite way of saying: "liar" isn't it?

Senator, you are asking me those hard hard questions.
Thankfully, I am not under oath.
So let me evasively answer you.

No. I'm not calling them "liars".
To be liars (in my book), they would have to have a rational, cognitive understanding that they are disseminating a clear untruth and that people are not interpreting their words as sarcasm.

They are paid political hacks.
They are twisters of the twisted word.
That does not make them "liars".

It's been a while since I looked up Tierney's bacground. IIRC, he was an eco major or a poli sci major or an English major.

One of the hard hard concepts for real-science majors to get, is that your fellow student in college partied hardy. He/she did not have to stay up all night memorizing the periodic table and figuring out how to convert atomic mass into grams per mole. (OK that's too easy --but then again I'm just teasing with the toads.) He or she drank copious amounts of ethanol and learned to worship "geniuses" like tunnel-vision Adam Smith or commodities cornicopians like Julian Simmons. He or she became convinced that Chicken Little will always be wrong. (He's always been wrong before! Sound logic is sound logic.)

There must have been a couple of Chicken Littles pecking away on Easter Island, but the lumber-and-statues mob guys probably whacked 'em. Bad for business you know. That's why you don't read about them Chicken-Littlers in the Easter Island history books.

OOO! OOO! To be a fly on the wall (or the gas pump) when the first piece of sky hits his head! No wait! A fly with a camera!
NYT will supress that story for 5 years until after the SHTF (another acronym).
Step Back

You are pretty sharp, not as good as this site's support staff, but good.

Still, I want to say "bite me".

OK. You said it.
Herewith another DUET (Deep Universal Eternal Truth) from an ancient Greek, you know those guys that stole most of our ideas before we even thought of them:

Against the stupidity of men, the gods themselves strive in vain.

What can anyone really add to that? The verdict is in. Guilty as charged: Brain dead in the first degree.

As soon as oil becomes more trouble than it's worth, we will sensibly stop putting it in our cars.
I guess so. Sure. No problem. But aren't there, oh, I don't know, some issues that might go along with that? Maybe it might make sense to plan ahead a little bit for that.

This guy is glib to the point of being harmful. "Just reassure the people so they keep buying hummers and SUVs."

Using his logic, I will stop putting it in my car, and stop driving anywhere.
planning ahead? Relax, we did. It's called just-in-time supply chain economics
(Warning cross-thread link: it takes you to another TOD thread)
Hey that kind of logic works for a lot of things, for example greenhouse gases:

How much CO2 can we stand? Well, as soon as it's just too hard to breathe, we'll stop doing it...

Or rising sea levels:

Well, as soon as Houston is underwater, we'll stop living there.

Nice to know we're in the brave new world of free-market economics, eh?

I strongly object to suggestions that everyone else in the world is stupid, and only Peak Oil true believers have the wisdom and insight to know what is coming. How about some humility? How about admitting that you might be wrong?

People generally are not stupid, and believers in Peak Oil have no monopoly on the truth. The facts which convince readers here so thoroughly about Peak Oil scenarios are known to many experts who believe differently. Everyone involved in energy and related businesses has an incentive to inform himself about the likely future availability of energy supplies, and few accept the kinds of scenarios which are conventional wisdom around here. Again, if the situation were really so clear-cut and the facts so obvious as most people here believe, there would not be so many people in these businesses, as well as academics and government researchers, who don't accept the Peak Oil concept.

The truth is that the future is uncertain, and there is room for reasoned, rational disagreement about what is likely to happen with energy (as with much else). Viewing people who disagree with you as stupid is just going to close your own mind and prevent you from evaluating all the evidence dispassionately and clearly. It's a counter-productive approach to evaluating and planning for the future.

I am sorry to have to disagree with you, but speaking as a sociologist, the overwhelming evidence is that people as part of collective behavior are extremely stupid.

See for example, the classic by McKay, "Extraordinary Delusions and the Madness of Crowds."

Are you trying to tell me and others on TOD that people who were borrowing on margin (i.e. most people) to buy stocks in 1929 were not stupid? Do you believe the Confederates who thought they could defeat the Union in 1860 were not stupid? Do you think the people who enthusiastically followed Hitler were not stupid?

I rest my case.

Halfin isn't saying that stupid people don't exist. He is saying that intelligent people can look at the same evidence and come to different conclusions. I think his point is a very important one. It is easy to say everyone else is wrong, stupid, corrupt, etc. But this is self-delusion.

Nobody knows the future and many smart people have been wrong before. The Oil Drum is a great resource and I have learned a lot from it. But I don't believe any of you are able to see the future. I have studied these issues and think I have as good a perspective as anyone. However my ego isn't so big that I think I am better or smarter than they are.

I do not claim to be especially good or especially smart. What I am is rather well educated in economics, history, logic, and statistics. That does not make me smarter or better than anyone else. It may make me better able to interpret data than those who were not as fortunate (and it was luck) to get an excellent education.

Who do I believe?

I take engineers very seriously. I take petroleum geologists very seriously. To the best of my knowledge, they are all on the same page of the same hymn book.

I do not take people seriously who cannot think quantitatively. Sorry.