Stories tagged with "eroei"
EROWI - energy return of water invested
Posted by Ugo Bardi on November 5, 2009 - 10:15am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: energy, eroei, eroi, water [list all tags]
Energy Return of Water Invested (EROWI). From an article by Robert Service in Science Magazine. The data in the table originate from "Energy demands on water resources",report to the congress, 2006 link.
Energy Journal Roundup: September 2009
Posted by David Murphy on September 17, 2009 - 10:19am
Topic: Miscellaneous
Tags: eroei, wind eroei [list all tags]
Ida Kubiszewski, Cutler J. Cleveland and Peter K. Endres, 2009, Meta-analysis of net energy return for wind power systems, Renewable Energy, Volume 35, Issue 1, January 2010, Pages 218-225

A side note: Over the past few months Rembrandt and I have been following roughly 10 or so academic journals related to energy. One of these journals, Renewable Energy, produces literature every month that I believe has particular relevance to the various issues discussed on The Oil Drum. This month's feature article is taken from Renewable Energy, and here is a link to the full table of contents with free download for this month's publication.
The Energy Journal Roundup is a monthly post listing citations and abstracts from some of the peer-reviewed literature published in various energy journals around the world.
Renewables Transition 3: The Precautionary Principle
Posted by jeffvail on September 15, 2009 - 10:27am
Topic: Policy/Politics
Tags: energy transition, eroei, net energy, original, peak oil, precautionary principle, renewable energy [list all tags]
In the first two posts in this series (1 and 2), I discussed the requirements and challenges of transitioning our global economy to renewable sources of energy. My interim conclusion was that there are serious doubts about our ability to affect any significant transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy. Much of this uncertainty is the result of uncertain systemic energy return on energy invested. In other words, when all inputs are taken into account—as must be done where we’re talking about shifting energy sources on a civilizational level—can a world powered by solar and wind power itself the way it has on oil, gas, and coal?
The key take away is precisely this uncertainty: we simply don’t know if renewables—either current or potential future technology—will be up for the job. Where does that leave us? This discussion—and many others related to Peak Oil—is really a matter of what is known as the “Precautionary Principle,” or what degree of consensus is required before we embark on a course of action that may result in irreversible harm. Because the Precautionary Principle has such broad application in discussions of Peak Oil, I’ve modeled this post as a discussion of the principle itself, using the issue of renewables transition as but one example of its application.
New World Model – EROEI issues
Posted by Chris Vernon on August 24, 2009 - 10:48am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Demand/Consumption
Tags: energy, eroei, limits to growth, modeling, population, resources [list all tags]
When I published the results on The Oil Drum of my New World Model, based on World3 (the “Limits to Growth” model) – see here, many of the questions and issues that people had were around EROEI. So I’m writing this article to clarify how the model uses EROEI and the results in some alternative scenarios where EROEI is changed in different ways.

Total energy production and industrial output in the New World Model.
Renewable Transition 2: EROEI Uncertainty
Posted by jeffvail on August 10, 2009 - 10:11am
Topic: Alternative energy
Tags: eroei, original, peak oil, renewable energy, systems theory, transition [list all tags]
In the first part of this series, I discussed the practicality of a future transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy sources—specifically renewable sources of electricity such as solar and wind power. One little-discussed hurdle is the fact that, because we must invest energy in renewables up front, a rapid transition threatens to greatly impact near-term demand for energy resulting in unwanted economic and political effects. Another is that, because we will initially use fossil fuels to build our renewable infrastructure, the transition to renewables will result in a short-term increase in carbon emissions. The extent to which both of these impacts will be significant, even their potential to foreclose the possibility of such a transition, will turn on the net energy, or Energy Return on Energy Invested (EROEI), of available renewable energy technology.
As I alluded to last time, while there are many EROEI numbers floating about for solar, wind, etc., these numbers are far less accurate or verifiable than is, I believe, commonly assumed. I’ll argue that our measurements of EROEI are fundamentally flawed, at least for some purposes. Most EROEI studies serve as a tool to compare different technologies or to gauge advances in technology--a role for which they are generally well suited. However, when viewed from a complete systems perspective, current EROEI figures fail to provide an inclusive measurement. I’ll argue that, for purposes of planning a civilizational transition, a meaningful meansure must be inclusive of all energy inputs. Finally, I’ll propose a possible proxy-measurement to address the methodological issues surrounding EROEI.
Excerpts from "Peak Civilization: The Fall of the Roman Empire"
Posted by Ugo Bardi on July 22, 2009 - 10:22am
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: alcatraz conference, collapse, eroei, roman empire, society, teutoburg [list all tags]
This is an abridged version of a 10,000+ word post which can be read on Oil Drum Europe. We hope many will take the time to read the long version. Hopefully, these excerpts will give the flavor of the full story.--Gail.

A silver mask that had belonged to a Roman cavalryman of imperial times. It was found on the site of the battle of Teutoburg, fought in September 9 a.d. This year, 2009, marks the 2000th anniversary of the battle that led to the annihilation of three Roman legions and changed forever the history of Europe. It was a tremendous shock for the Romans, who saw their mighty army destroyed by uncivilized barbarians. It was not yet the peak of the Roman Empire, but it was a first hint that something was deeply wrong with it.
"Peak Civilization": The Fall of the Roman Empire
Posted by Ugo Bardi on July 22, 2009 - 1:23am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: alcatraz conference, collapse, eroei, roman empire, society, teutoburg [list all tags]
Renewable Transition 1: Targets & Troubles
Posted by jeffvail on July 21, 2009 - 10:15am
Topic: Alternative energy
Tags: energy transition, eroei, net energy, original, peak oil, renewable energy [list all tags]
In this series I will again approach the issue of energy return on energy invested (EROEI), or net energy. Rather than a detailed analysis of the EROEI value of specific types of renewable energy technology, however, my goal is to consider systemic implications and the role of uncertainty in the ability of our civilization to transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy. In this first post I will discuss the challenges and potential goals of such a renewable energy transition, noting the criticality of EROEI values to our ability to transition. Next, I will look more closely at EROEI itself, exploring our inability to produce an accurate, inclusive, and verifiable measurement, and explain why the resulting degree of uncertainty is very significant. Finally, I will consider the path forward amidst this uncertainty.
The financial return on energy invested
Posted by Euan Mearns on June 23, 2009 - 10:41am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Economics/Finance
Tags: ayres warr, eroei, froei, gdp, oil prices, original, primary energy [list all tags]

Global GDP has grown steadily and continuously since WWII, in step with a growing global population and primary energy consumption (see below). Oil shocks have caused recessions compensated by higher energy prices that have bolstered global GDP at time of recession in the non-energy economy.
The energy efficiency of cars
Posted by Euan Mearns on February 16, 2009 - 10:43am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Economics/Finance
Tags: automobile, bbc, energy efficiency, eroei, ethanol, fuel cell, honda, hydrogen, jeremy clarkson, original, saab, tesla, top gear, volvo [list all tags]

Chart updated 28 February to take account of this comment from Profbaldwin.
The future of motor vehicles lies in improved efficiency and that is to the left of the gasoline ICE in the chart. That future is electric vehicles powered by high ERoEI renewable electricity.


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