Stories tagged with "eroei"
The financial return on energy invested
Posted by Euan Mearns on June 23, 2009 - 10:41am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Economics/Finance
Tags: ayres warr, eroei, froei, gdp, oil prices, original, primary energy [list all tags]

Global GDP has grown steadily and continuously since WWII, in step with a growing global population and primary energy consumption (see below). Oil shocks have caused recessions compensated by higher energy prices that have bolstered global GDP at time of recession in the non-energy economy.
The energy efficiency of cars
Posted by Euan Mearns on February 16, 2009 - 10:43am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Economics/Finance
Tags: automobile, bbc, energy efficiency, eroei, ethanol, fuel cell, honda, hydrogen, jeremy clarkson, original, saab, tesla, top gear, volvo [list all tags]

Chart updated 28 February to take account of this comment from Profbaldwin.
The future of motor vehicles lies in improved efficiency and that is to the left of the gasoline ICE in the chart. That future is electric vehicles powered by high ERoEI renewable electricity.
The energy efficiency of energy procurement systems
Posted by Euan Mearns on February 2, 2009 - 10:51am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Policy/Politics
Tags: energy efficiency, eroei, eu, united states [list all tags]
Energy Controversies lecture series, University of Aberdeen, 5th February to 30th April 2009.

Some ERoEI data sources wind, tar sands, ethanol, solar pv and references therein. Nuclear: M. Lenzen, Energy Conversion and Management 49 (2008) 2178–2199. Hat tips to Will and Nate for solar and nuclear sources.
"We are set on a disastrous course. Governments must accept that the way we use energy must change and that a painful period of adjustment lies ahead. The energy efficiency of energy use and procurement should lie at the heart of decision-making and a good starting point is to ensure that reliable efficiency data is available to guide this process."
Implications of Energy Return on Investment, Peak Oil and the Concept of “Best First”
Posted by David Murphy on January 2, 2009 - 11:23am in The Oil Drum: Net Energy
Topic: Miscellaneous
Tags: best first, charles hall, david ricardo, depletion, eroei, eroi, eroi guy, natural gas, peak oil [list all tags]
The following is a post by both Dr. Charles Hall and EROI Guy. Most of the material comes from a recently published book chapter titled “Peak oil, EROI, investments and the economy in an uncertain future.” The book can be found here. Dr. Charles Hall is a professor of Systems Ecology at the College of Environmental Science and Forestry in Syracuse, New York, and has written about energy issues many times on The Oil Drum, found here.
The Global Energy Crisis and its Role in the Pending Collapse of the Global Economy
Posted by Euan Mearns on November 3, 2008 - 10:25am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Policy/Politics
Tags: bio fuel, ccs, climate change, credit, deflation, einstein, energy efficiency, energy poverty, eroei, gdp, hydrogen, inflation, ipcc, lia, olduvai, opec, original, production decline, united kingdom [list all tags]

When my talk to the Royal Society of Chemists was first arranged this summer, oil cost over $130 per barrel, and we wondered where the price would be in October. Since then much has happened. The credit expansion bubble was pricked in part by inflation stemming from high energy prices, and the global banking system is teetering on the brink of collapse, reprieved only by the spread of social ownership throughout the OECD.
Energy Quality and Economic Value
Posted by Gail the Actuary on October 4, 2008 - 10:29am
Topic: Economics/Finance
Tags: economic value, energy quality, eroei, net energy, original [list all tags]
This is a guest post by Roger Brown, known as Roger K, whose graduate work was in physics. In reading about net energy and EROEI, he realized that energy balance alone is insufficient for characterizing the economics of energy production. In this post, he develops a multi-variable approach to account for the cost of other production resources. This post is the first publication of his innovative ideas. A summary is available at the end of the post.
Labor Cost of Energy
In order to produce an economic output, you have to invest production resources. At a minimum some amount of human labor must be invested. There is no such thing as a labor-free production process. Even if you lived in a sparsely inhabited tropical paradise filled with streams jumping with large tasty fish and heavily laden fruit trees growing profusely in the natural forests, you would still have to spend some amount of time gathering fruit and fish.
If you could gather all the food you needed for a single day in a half hour of work, then your food would be very cheap. If you lived in a less productive natural environment and had to spend eight hours a day gathering all of the food you needed, then your food would be very expensive.

Should EROEI be the most important criterion our society uses to decide how it meets its energy needs?
Posted by Chris Vernon on August 20, 2008 - 11:07am in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Supply/Production
Tags: charles hall, energy density, eroei, eroi, net energy, original [list all tags]
What is EROEI?
Energy returned on energy invested (EROEI or EROI) is a concept that mirrors the financial metric, return on investment (ROI). In order to make an energy gain or “profit”, energy or work must be consumed or exerted (Cleveland, C.J., 2001, p.11). The energy gain or profit often referred to as “net energy”. EROEI is usually expressed as a ratio, or occasionally as a percentage. EROEI can also be represented diagrammatically in simplified form (Fig. 1).

Figure 1: EROEI
(Charles Hall, Pradeep Tharakan, John Hallock, Wei Wu and Jae-Young Ko, Advances in Energy Studies Conference, Porto Venere, Italy, September 2002)2
The energy referred to in EROEI can be energy to run technology, such as liquid fuels for transport or electricity for lighting. It can however refer to energy in a form that can be taken in directly by living organisms: food.
Charlie Hall: How much oil and gas will increased drilling provide? Geology's Answer: Not Much.
Posted by Nate Hagens on August 15, 2008 - 10:15am in The Oil Drum: Net Energy
Topic: Supply/Production
Tags: charles hall, drilling, eia, eroei, eroi, gas, oil, original, peak oil [list all tags]

Annual rates of total drilling for and production of oil and gas in the US, 1949-2005 (R2 of the two = 0.005; source: U.S. EIA and N. D. Gagnon). Since drilling and other exploration activities are energy intensive, other things being equal EROI is lower when drilling rates are high.
As oil prices increase and the presidential campaigns heat up there is a lot of discussion about increased drilling for oil. In economic theory higher prices will give market signals to increase exploration and exploitation of resources and hence deliver more to society, although at a higher price. Will this in fact occur with oil for the United States? Of course we will not know until we do it, but we can look to the past for hints. The enclosed figure represents the history of drilling and production for oil and gas in the United States. The answer seems inescapable: the rate of drilling for oil in the United States has been unrelated to finding or producing oil and gas, which is determined principally by geology. Mother nature, not market theory, determines resource availability, at least in this case and probably many more. (Source: Hall, Powers and Schoenberg (in press))
An Update on the Energy Return on Canadian Natural Gas
Posted by Nate Hagens on August 4, 2008 - 9:45am
Topic: Supply/Production
Tags: david hughes, depletion, eroei, eroi, jon freise, natural gas, net energy, original, western canada sedimentary basin [list all tags]
| This is an updated post on the energy return on energy invested on Canadian natural gas by Jon Freise. Jon's initial draft of this analysis, and related comments, can be found here. |
An intermittent but longstanding theme here on theoildrum is that dollars do not sufficiently inform us of the long term details of energy depletion, and that the inexorable race between technology and depletion can be better understood using biophysical methods. Essentially this post suggests that it is requiring more and more energy to procure the same amount of natural gas in Canada, and this trend will likely continue into the future. This update makes the initial analysis too pessimistic on the rate of EROI NG decline but also too conservative on the absolute level of energy return. It is going to be a very interesting few years as Canada declines, Barnett peaks, and Haynesville and other unconventional plays ramp up. The treadmill spins on.
10 Fundamental Principles of Net Energy Analysis
Posted by Nate Hagens on July 31, 2008 - 11:23am in The Oil Drum: Net Energy
Topic: Economics/Finance
Tags: cutler cleveland, energy density, energy quality, eroei, eroi, net energy [list all tags]
This is a repost from Cutler Cleveland on the underlying principles of net energy. We previously highlighted Dr. Clevelands work on the Energy Return from Wind. This post is Professor Clevelands latest installment on net energy analysis at the Encyclopedia of Earth, which I have reformatted to theoildrum. The Encyclopedia of Earth, where Prof. Cleveland is an editor/director, is a great academic/content based web clearinghouse for information on earth and our environment. I encourage everyone to follow some of the hyperlinks in the below story and peruse that site.
Outside of taxes and profits, we are a society used to thinking in gross terms. But the net is what we get to use. Net energy analysis, (and its subset EROI) get alot of airtime in peak oil discussions, but not yet in public. If the world is running on a certain total energy surplus, what are the implications for a decline in this surplus? Will the market, via dollars, treat gross production the same and forget to factor in increased costs? There seems to be much disagreement as to how best to use EROI and net energy principles, if at all, in planning for the looming energy crisis.


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