Concentrating Solar Power
Posted by Chris Vernon on May 31, 2007 - 12:10pm in The Oil Drum: Europe
Topic: Alternative energy
Tags: concentrating solar power, desert, HVDC, photovoltaics, solar power [list all tags]

Dish/engine systems from Solar Systems at Umuwa, South Australia
Introduction
It is said that, in 212 BC, Archimedes used polished bronze shields to focus sunlight, trying to set fire to wooden ships from the Roman Empire that were besieging Syracuse. Although we don’t know whether he succeeded, the Greek navy recreated the experiment in 1973 and managed to set fire to a wooden boat at a distance of 50 metres. In the 16th century, Leonardo da Vinci proposed the use of concave mirrors to concentrate sunlight to heat water.It was not until the late 19th century and early 20th century that the idea of capturing solar energy with mirrors was tried on an industrial scale in California, Egypt and other places with lots of direct sunshine. But the era of cheap fossil fuels snuffed out these early developments and it was the mid 1980s before serious attempts were made again to apply the technique of ‘concentrating solar power’ (CSP).
The basic idea is to arrange mirrors so that they concentrate sunlight into a relatively small area and then use the resulting heat to raise steam to drive turbines and generators, just like a conventional power station. Direct sunlight is needed and CSP works best when sunshine is plentiful, as it is in hot deserts. In those kinds of conditions, CSP is currently the most cost-effective way of capturing solar energy but this might change in the future with further developments in photovoltaics (PV).
A nice feature of CSP is that it is possible to store solar heat in melted salts (eg nitrates of sodium or potassium) so that electricity generation may continue at night or on cloudy days. This is currently a lot cheaper than flow batteries or other technologies for bulk storage of electricity. Because CSP plants are so similar to conventional power stations, it is also possible to use gas as a stop-gap source of heat when there is not enough sun. With heat storage and hybridisation with gas-firing, CSP plants can provide base load, intermediate load and peaking power according to need.
There are several variations on the scheme that I have outlined, including systems that use heat to drive a Stirling engine and generator, and hybrid schemes that use mirrors in conjunction with PV.

Solar Two tower and heliostats in Daggett (Barstow), California.
New developments and potential
Currently, there are CSP plants in the Mojave desert producing 354 MWe (peak), and there are smallish installations elsewhere in the world. But concerns about CO2 emissions and future energy supplies have led to a recent surge of interest in CSP, with new plants now being planned or built around the world.The statistics are quite startling. Every year, each square kilometre of hot desert receives solar energy equivalent to 1.5 million barrels of oil. Multiplying by the area of deserts worldwide, this is several hundred times the entire current energy consumption of the world. It has been calculated that, if it was covered with CSP plants, an area of hot desert of about 254 km x 254 km—less than 1% of the total area of such deserts - would produce as much electricity as is currently consumed by the whole world. An area measuring 110 km x 110 km, a small fraction of the area of desert in North Africa and the Middle East, would produce the same amount of electricity as the European Union consumed in 2004. In a report published in January this year, the American Solar Energy Society says that “...analysts evaluated the solar resource in the Southwest [of the US] and ... found that CSP could provide nearly 7,000 GW of capacity, or about seven times the current total US electric capacity.” (emphasis added).

What has this got to do with the UK?
Of course, the UK is not over-endowed with hot deserts and it is natural to assume that CSP is not relevant to our needs. But for reasons that I will describe, CSP could become a major source of carbon-free energy for the UK and many other countries that do not themselves have deserts.One possibility, which is not entirely frivolous, is to take Mahomet to the mountain: relocate energy-intensive industries so that they can make direct use of thermal or electrical energy from CSP plants in desert areas. For example, the heat and electricity that is needed to convert bauxite into aluminium could be provided by CSP plants in the Australian desert, close to where the bauxite is mined. Naturally, this would not assist the production of aluminium in the UK, but in the highly inter-dependent global village that we live in now, this kind of solution to energy-supply problems could be a major benefit.
Another possibility is to transport solar energy over long distances using hydrogen as an energy vector. In principle, the hydrogen could be derived from water by the direct application of solar heat and there have been some experiments along these lines. But until such time as this can be done efficiently on a large scale, hydrogen may be generated by the electrolysis of water using solar electricity.
Hydrogen that is produced in this way could be used as fuel for trains, road vehicles or even planes. But if hydrogen that is derived from CSP is merely a means of recreating electricity in the UK or other distant location, then it quickly begins to lose its shine. It has been calculated that about 75% or more of the original electrical energy would be lost in conversions and processing that would be required between CSP electricity at its source and electricity at a distance, created by the combustion of hydrogen.
If electricity is what is needed at the destination, then in almost all circumstances it is very much more efficient to transmit solar electricity directly using high-voltage transmission lines. HVAC works well over relatively short distances but for longer distances, HVDC is the preferred option. With transmission losses at about 3% per 1000 km, electricity may for example be transmitted from North Africa to the UK with less than 10% loss of power.

150 MW of parabolic trough CSP plant at Kramer Junction, California.
The DESERTEC concept
The ideas that I have sketched are part of the ‘DESERTEC’ concept, a set of proposals for future electricity supplies in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa (EUMENA) that has been developed by the ‘TREC’ international network of scientists and engineers. The proposals are described in considerable detail in the ‘MED-CSP’ and ‘TRANS-CSP’ reports prepared by a team of researchers at the German Aerospace Center. Copies of these reports may be downloaded via links from www.trec-uk.org.uk/reports.htm.The second of those reports shows how, in the period up to 2050, Europe could meet all its needs for electricity, make deep cuts in CO2 emissions from electricity generation, and phase out nuclear power at the same time. Compared with the situation now, there would be an increase in the diversity of sources of energy and there would be an overall reduction in imported sources of energy. Those two things together would mean an overall increase in the resilience and security of electricity supplies. CSP would be just one element in the mix - up to 15% of the total - and would be an exception to the rule of reduced imports.
An important part of the DESERTEC concept is the creation of a large-scale HVDC transmission grid, spanning the whole of EUMENA, and designed to work in conjunction with existing HVAC grids. This proposal chimes well with an independent proposal by Airtricity to create a Europe-wide HVDC grid. One advantage of this kind of grid is that it provides an answer to the often-voiced objection to wind power—that “the wind does not blow all the time”. This is true in any one relatively small area but it is almost never true across a large area like Europe. Another advantage of large-scale HVDC grids is that surplus electricity in any one area - more than the local people can use - may be moved to other areas where it is needed, thus reducing the wastage of energy that may otherwise occur.
An interesting aspect of the Airtricity proposal is that all the power cables would be laid under the sea! Modern designs of HVDC cable make this a realistic option now. One advantage is that it would largely eliminate any problems of visual intrusion. And it would greatly simplify the processes of planning and construction.
One of the most fascinating aspects of the DESERTEC concept are various spin-off benefits, especially for local people in host countries. For example, waste heat from CSP plants may be used for desalination of sea water - a very useful bonus in arid regions. The shaded areas under CSP mirrors are protected from the full glare of the tropical sun and may be used for many purposes, including horticulture using desalinated sea water. Throughout EUMENA, there would jobs and earnings in a large new industry. More generally, the development of a win-win collaboration amongst countries of EUMENA, with substantial benefits for all, would be a good way to promote good relations and mutual understandings across the region - a positive alternative to the confrontational policies of recent years.

Dish/engine systems from Stirling Energy Systems at the Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Costs
The cost of collecting solar thermal energy equivalent to one barrel of oil is about US$50 right now (already less than the current world price of oil) and is likely to come down to around US$20 in the future. The MED-CSP report, published in 2005, suggests that CSP will need public support for a time (like other renewable forms of energy) but that, with economies of scale and refinements in the technology, the cost of CSP electricity is then likely to tumble relative to more traditional sources of electricity. The TRANS-CSP report calculates that CSP is likely to become one of the cheapest sources of electricity in Europe, including the cost of transmission.A report in Business Week (2006-02-14) quotes the CEO of Solel as saying “Our [CSP] technology is already competitive with electricity produced at natural-gas power plants in California”. Similar claims are being made by others in the industry. Speaking about CSP at the Solar Power 2006 conference in California, the US venture capitalist Vinod Khosla said “...we are poised for breakaway growth - for explosive growth - not because we are cleaner [than coal-fired electricity] but because we are cheaper. We happen to be cleaner incidentally.”

Parabolic trough mirrors with maintenance workers at Kramer Junction, California.
Security of supply
Although few people express any worries about the fact that the UK produces only about 60% of the food we eat, a surprisingly large number of people seem to think that it would be quite unacceptably risky to import some of our electricity from North Africa and the Middle East. For several reasons, I believe that any possible risk is more apparent than real.The number of countries with hot deserts is quite large so we would not need to be overly-dependent on just a few sources of CSP electricity, as we are with some other sources of energy. Given the substantial benefits that CSP would provide for host countries, there is little incentive to disrupt their operation. The transmission grid can be designed to accommodate damage in very much the same way that the internet was designed to be resilient in the face of military attack: rather than rely on a few large transmission lines, electricity may be transmitted over a network of smaller transmission lines; and submarine cables, as proposed by Airtricity, would be relatively safe from attack. CSP plants would be difficult to damage by any kind of attack and they would be easy to repair.
Conclusion
The DESERTEC scenario, which has been developed with considerable professionalism and care, shows that concentrating solar power can be an important source of carbon-free electricity, not just for countries in the sun belt but for many other countries as well—including the UK. Additional potential benefits include the not-insignificant prize of improved relations amongst different groups of people.All the relevant technologies are available now. With the right political impetus, the necessary infrastructure can be put in place quite soon.

Close up view of parabolic trough and heat collector.
Technical information is available in the two reports prepared by a team of researchers at the German Aerospace Center:
Trans-Mediterranean Interconnection for Concentrating Solar Power (TRANS-CSP, 2006, PDF, 6.1 MB).
Concentrating Solar Power for the Mediterranean Region (MED-CSP, 2005, PDF, 11.9 MB).
Copies of these reports may be downloaded via links from www.trec-uk.org.uk/reports.htm.
This article was first published in the April/May 2007 issue of Power Engineer, magazine of the UK Institution of Engineering and Technology, pages 22-25.



I visited a web site of a guy from Africa that is using Mylar and satellite dishes to make these things on a personal level.
Drill a hole in the back of the sat dish big enough for a tube
Attach the mylar across the sat dish so that it is sealed.
Put tube in the hole.
Use a pump to siphon the air out of the dish.
This draws the air out and pulls the mylar in toward the back creating a parabola.
Have something in front where you wish to aim for the focal point.
Once you have the distance down turn off pump and seal the tube.
Then never ever walk in front or let anyone else.
The guy claimed he could put a beam thru metal in no time.
I've been keeping my eye out for used dishes since then on the curbs.
even small ones like sat tv should work.
He claims you make a box and get the same effect, seems like the dish shape would work better, don't know.
Weather is the problem for the mylar. thin mylar by the roll is not very expensive.
Quid Clarius Astris
Ubi Bene ibi patria
Googling "solar ovens" or "solar cookers" brings up loads of pages, many of which describe taking discarded satellite dishes and replacing the surface with reflective aluminum.
But here's my favorite design, because
a) you don't need to find a cast-off dish;
b) you could make it as large/powerful as you want; and
c) selecting the size of the individual mirrors you use lets you get whatever size focus you want to end up with
http://amasci.com/amateur/mirror.html
"The result was approximately 1000 watts of solar influx concentrated on an area the size of a silver dollar. Wood ignited with an audible "pop" the instant it entered the focal point. Toast burns instantly. Aluminum melts after 15 seconds. Half inch copper tubing deforms under it's own weight after 20 seconds. Steel glows red in about the same time."
Besides cooking, one of these could be very useful for
- heating a pressure cooker/canner for preserving produce (which you'd be doing during the summer, when there's plenty of sun)
- boiling 5 gallons of wort for making beer
- a smaller version could be used for heating an IcyBall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icyball
http://www.ggw.org/~cac/IcyBall/crosley_icyball.html (see especially the home-made one at the bottom of the page)
I especially like the pressure-canning idea. Once you got this thing set up & working, you'd be able to preserve what you get out of your garden year after year, with no electricity or fossil-fuel input whatsoever...
I was wondering whether CSP could be used to make concrete. Part of the process involves mixing up some common chemicals, and heating to about 1400C in a kiln:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_cement
Typical design for a kiln given here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cement_kiln
So the question I have is whether it is possible to design a kiln that could directly use CSP instead of oil/natural gas.
It might or might not be possible to use the CSP directly - depends on whether you can design the kiln to get the material heated properly. It might be easier to replace the flame in an existing kiln with a hydrogen flame, but this would be clearly less efficient.
There are other industrial processes which require heat in one form or another that currently use gas or oil, and my guess is that people ought to be thinking of ways to use the light of the sun directly to provide this heat.
I've given this some thought myself, and concluded that it is possible to make C3S clinker, but not by the same route used in conventional kilns. Remember that 75% of PC kiln feed is limestone, and the limestone produces CO2 as it is calcined, so that about 80% of the CO2 produced in cement-making comes from the limestone, not the fuel. (and cement accounts for 5-7% of man-made CO2 globally!)
An alternative process uses molten calcium chloride, and has been around for decades.
CaCl2.H2O -> CaO + 2HCl
3CaO + SiO2 -> Ca3SiO5 (at about 700C)
Hydrated calcium chloride melts at about 180C, so the whole process can take place in liquid phase, with the silica in slurry form.
If there is an ocean or brine reservoir nearby, the CaCl2 can be made from limestone and MgCl2 brine by exchange
CaCO3 + MgCl2 -> MgCO3 + CaCl2
You also need a market for the hydrochloric acid.
The challenge here is firstly materials, because molten chlorides + HCl at high temp are extremely corrosive (remember there is water present). The whole reactor loop, and especially the solar absorber will have to be ceramic (carbides?) and able to withstand day/night thermal cycling. If you can figure this out you will be a hero.
Second challenge is business. The cement companies are global semi-monopolies with billions invested in conventional kilns, and won't change until they absolutely have to. They will buy carbon credits for decades first.
Hadn't considered this 2nd process. On the one hand it sounds easier, on the other there would be a hell of a lot of HCl that needs to be put to good use. Reminds me of the glycerine problem with biodiesel...
The global companies will just end up chasing fossil fuels all over the world. As time goes on that will get harder, or the plants may need to relocate (esp if they are using natural gas).
Rib
I think we will have to just make less Cement.Timber houses Etc.
See company below has promise of solving issue of what to do with waste glycerol from bio fuel
VIRENT ENERGT
Cellulose /Sugar conversion to Hydrogen /Methane/MethanolCan also use waste Glycerol from Biodiesel manufacture as fuel
http://www.virent.com/
http://www.ecw.org/biomass2power/index.html
There are some thoughts along these lines at http://www.trec-uk.org.uk/csp_sections/csp_synthesis.htm .
In principle, it should be possible to use CSP for a variety of energy-hungry industrial processes.
Now THIS is walking down the correct path. Could you tell from my screen name?
1st Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. From a purely physics standpoint, if we look at the earth as a closed system, there is only one usable external source of energy - the sun, in it's many, many forms. Wind energy, solar thermal, solar electric, hydro, ethanol, nuclear, and yes, petroleum fuels all ultimately are energy received from the sun. Everything else is just shuffling the cards.
Harnessing, maximizing and storing the only external source of energy we have is what we need to focus on. Thanks for the post.
This is another reason why the oil cartel is going to get crushed, and probably sooner rather than later.
PHEVs and biofuels. If we even try, we will easily see our way to a cleaner and more prosperous future, seamlessly, without major recessions or calamities. We can eliminate the use of fossil fuels for 90 percent of transportation. It game over nearly now for the fossil boys.
The only problem is after the cartel is broken, oil prices will tumble like ten-pins. We have to put a gas tax on, and a stiffy, or we go back to Lincoln Continentals longer than semis again.
Love this solar stuff. I wish everybody in this industry that best of luck, and look forward to someday soon outfitting my factory with the full get-up, so I sell rather than buy electricity.
BenjamineCole, prices won't tumble like ten-pens if OPEC collapses. Producing flat out we are barely supplying the world's energy needs, and not discovering enough fossil fuel to replace the oil produced. And demand keeps growing all over the world.
But I agree with you on the gas tax, and the great potential of photoelectric. Since we import about 60% of our oil and we want to discourage the use of imports, a stiff tariff would have the same effect while encouraging domestic production of energy. It could be made polliticialy palletable by calling it a national energy security initiative and dedicating the proceeds to building the infrsstucture to make alternative energy practicable.
OilmanBob-
Well, check out world fossil consumption figures. Demand was up 3.1 percent in 2004, then 1.8 percent in 2005, then 0.9 percent in 2006, according to EIA (at their website). And new technologies are just being implemented now. Higher MPG cars just now entering the US fleet of cars and trucks. I predict permanently declining demand for fossil crude in this price regime. US demand was down last year.
The average marginal cost of production a barrel of oil in 2003 was $3.57 a barrel, according to the EIA. Yet demand is falling already. It is true, at this price point, OPEC can cut production and make plenty of money, and in fact they say they are cutting production, willfully.
Peak Oilers know the real facts, and that is that OPEC is lying, to keep oil prices artificially low, and hide the truth that they are running out of oil to pump. Somehow this particular conspiracy theory doesn't make sense to me, and I like conspiracy theories.
I wonder if hedge funds, having gone long, have not planted a PR campaign to the effect that oil supplies are tight. The hedgies have billions of dollars at their disposal, and could hire websites and commentators at will. If you were long a few billion, would you not try to color the perception of oil scarcity?
The nomenclature of the oil world is increasingly hysterical.
You would not guess that fossil oil demand is nearly stagnant if not declining, and fossil crude prices well down from last summer's peak. Yet those are the facts, on a global basis.
But, hey, let's get on with the post-fossil world, I say the sooner the better, as a patriot and environmentalist. With PHEVs and biofuels, solar power plants and a thousand other steps big and small, I have little doubt we can get to a cleaner and more prosperous future. We are already headed in the right direction.
BenjamineCole, I certainly hope you are right about oil supplies, however, I don't believe it. The main reason is that Exxon, Shell,Conoco-Phillips ,Sunoco and Total are all investing billions in the Alberta Tar Sands and Four Corners Kerogen shales in the Green River formation(so-called oil shale). A little bit of arithmetic shows these sources cost $100,000.00 per barrel per day of level production in capital costs, plus another $20-$30 in production costs per barrel of synthetic crude. That's excluding transportation and refining costs.
While many nasty things can be said about big oil, they are not fools. If the world were'nt running out of cheap oil this would not make economic sense-who drills a million dollar well for 10 bbls./day of production? I've been in oil and gas exploration since 1976, believe me, those numbers don't fly because the flow rate must be good enough to pay the well out within 30 months and have a total return on investment of at least 4:1 to justify a new well in a development situation. Two years and 6:1 in a wildcat.
Of course the majors have different economics, they treasure a steady flow to keep their refinery and chemical operations working. But, watch what they do, not what they say.
As far as hedge funds being behind the peak oil folks, contact me, I'm very easily bribed!
All joking aside, the problem with any conspiracy is that most people can't keep their mouths shut. It's human nature. And especially the types that make up hedge fund cowboys-when they were all natural gas players at Enron, Dynegy and El Paso they all rolled over. But, this isn't glamerous or prooveable, just the truth. My personal psychological theory about "conspiracy theories" is that they are actually a form of denial, people are denying that real events are out of control so they blame a conspiracy, the Elders of Zion, the Illuminati, the Masons, the devil, Communists, The Government suppressing Aliens,Big Oil and OPEC.
...so they blame a conspiracy, the Elders of Zion, the Illuminati, the Masons, the devil, Communists, The Government suppressing Aliens,Big Oil and OPEC
I think Peak Oil conspiracy was started by the Amish.

:-)
Could be. My great-great grandfather was Amish, born in Lancaster County and left home in the turmoil after the Civil War to homestead in Nebraska.
I think it was the buggy whip manafacturers are behind it all.
The TREC vision is probably PART of the right path.
But before I point out the difficulties, let me nitpick at your list: nuclear (and geothermal resulting from nuclear decay), whether fusion or fission has little to do with energy from the sun nor with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics - rather with E=mc2.
I have been following the TREC-Program for a while. I must admit, I get very excited at the idea.
BUT:
1. If it ain't going to happen in Spain, Portugal, Sicily, Crete, Israel etc.. first, it ain't going to happen. The infrastructure needs to be developed in these EU/EU-friendly areas first, before the African wet dreams can even nearly be realized.
2. A corrolary to that: TREC is silently advocating (probably unconciously!) European colonialism of N. Africa. "Let the US invade Iraq, we're going for Algeria!" If the N. Africans aren't offering it themselves, why should the Europeans think they can force it (yes, investment)? I'm much more positive about such a project outside Phoenix, for instance, or a Mexican/US joint venture than EUMENA..
3. It's a centralitic, complicated solution to our energy needs. The idea shouldn't really be to build the most complicated replacement to our FF world. Simplify!!! Complex structures implode much more fantastically.
4. Sending the energy across the Med. will be the biggest obstacle. Just like with the hydrogen economy, storage/shipment is an almost unsolvable hurdle. I've been thinking about simpler (more costly?) solutions - compressed air came up the other day while reading about the car being run on it (www.theaircar.com). Surely better than batteries..
5. And this list was only off the top of my head.
Greetings from Munich!
Dom
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My grandfather pumped oil with an engine-house,
my father pumped oil with a 20 lb. electric motor,
can't I just pump it online?
Maybe not. There is currently a project in the plans to build a tunnel under the Mediterranean between Gibraltar and Morocco. I read about this quite recently. A Swiss company was awarded a contract to develop a detailed concept for such a tunnel.
Electricity could be shipped across the Mediterranean using that tunnel.
Well, I guess they did build the other Chunnel across (under) la Manche, now didn't they?
But I don't think the real Problem is where to lay the power cable, but more the fact that the cable needs to be thousands of klicks long to get to the consumer.
Italy buys most of its e- from across the Alps (French nuclear mostly). That's another reason to begin in So. Italy / Sicily - Producing for the "local" market. If it works there (and once the infrastructures have been built up), then the Africans can be tapped..
There is a choice of one of two problems with long transmission lines. If you choose DC of a high voltage, you have to convert it back to AC at the other end. Imagine trying to convert a million volts of DC to house current.
The other choice is alternating current. Easy to step-down the voltage with transformers, but those long lines actually serve as an antenna of high impedance. A lot of the power will be lost as it turns into radio waves at the low frequency. The powerplant is effectively made into a transmitter! As you step up the voltage, you more closely match the impedance of the antenna impedance of the transmission likes. The wavelength of 60HZ is like 3,100 miles. As transmission lines approach a quarter-wavelength, it becomes more and more like an antenna, resulting in lost power radiating into space.
For really long transmission lines, you would need something like coaxial cable - a power pipeline. But that is not without lossiness due to stray capacitance between the wire and the pipe. And higher voltage means a better match between the the powerplant's output impedance and the impedance of that stray capacitance.
As it stands, our own grid loses about half the power from resistance of the wire and the RF loss described above. The majority of the loss is the resistance loss.
What a crappy choice.
Petrol prices high enough yet? Just wait!
As it stands, our own grid loses about half the power from resistance of the wire and the RF loss described above. The majority of the loss is the resistance loss.
Uh, what? Contemporary AC grids have an average loss of about 7-8% between the power plant and end user.
Yes, you can ... but only snake-oil.
And what is the EROEI of snake oil?-)
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My grandfather pumped oil with an engine-house,
my father pumped oil with a 20 lb. electric motor,
can't I just pump it online?
They EROEI of snake oil approaches infinity!
Actually, much oil is pumped online. Pipelines are monitored in real time over the internet. Lots of remote locations are monitored online, and the adjustments in flow rates of offshore wells handled online. If Chevron and Devon decide to complete the deepwater Eocene Jack discovery, all the production equipment will have to be remote controlled for both installation and production. Refineries are the same, lots of monitors and controls. Pretty soon the whole world will be controlled by a dozen guys in Mumbai with pocket protectors!
Portugal has GE (I think) building a 11MW collector.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5056012.stm
Spain has 11MW in Seville up and running.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6616651.stm
France has a parabolic collector operating in the Pyrenees.
http://explorer.altopix.com/map/vcczsy/Solar_Furnace_at_Odeillo_Font-Rom...
Sicily is beginning what looks like a 5MW array.
http://www.italymag.co.uk/italy_regions/sicily/2007/current-affairs/ital...
The North African pipe dreams are more likely to happen because where they are oil importers, they can model what happens when a barrel goes over $100, and they can't invade other countries for their fix.
2. Colonialism: The only part of N. Africa that HASN'T been under effective colonial control for the past 50 years has been Libya. We have control, we're not ceding it, we may as well use it.
3. Energy dissipation over distance: I should think replacing FF demand in N. Africa with solar should be cheaper than trying to route the electricity across the Med.
Well, there is obviously hope, although I wouldn't call 3 objects more than just a beginning..
But you're right, it might just be worth it to build the platfoms for the north Africans - you're assuming they're willing to pay first world prices, right?
Nuclear from the sun???? How much U235 and U238 does the Earth recieve from the sun every day???
Gerry,
I believe there is a station like this in operation in Spain. But I also remember that currently, the costs were still higher than traditional electricity. What is the reason for that?
Firstly a quick nitpick; bauxite is a form of laterite soil that forms in the tropics, not deserts. Interestingly both bauxite refiners (alumina plants) and aluminium smelters have discussed using akaline wastes as an offsetting CO2 absorbent.
Given that even uranium will run out one day I think CSP needs major consideration. However even with molten salt heat storage and HVDC I think the problem will be smoothing and fairly sharing the output and the infrastructure costs. Where I live (Tasmania) the Basslink undersea HVDC cable has not worked out the way predicted, both in cost and net flow. Even the Australian desert has cloudy, rainy weeks so we might need major backup generation, perhaps in nondesert areas using biomass when NG runs out.
I'd like to see a multi-country proposal with costings. A sobering conclusion may be that this can only work for a smaller world population.
Boof - "Even the Australian desert has cloudy, rainy weeks so we might need major backup generation, perhaps in nondesert areas using biomass when NG runs out."
However you have to admit we have a LOT of deserts. I would like to see a link across Australia to link us here in Western Australia with the eastern states. Think of the deserts such a link would pass through - not all of them would be rainy at the same time.
Better yet make is a HTC superconductor. http://www.amsuper.com/
They are just bringing to market affordable high temperature superconductor wire. And the final part of the transmission line would be a Superconducting Magnetic Energy Storage system. In this case in the Nullabor we could have these and not have a problem with space:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_magnetic_energy_storage
"Size - To achieve commercially useful levels of storage, around 1 GW·h (3.6 TJ), a SMES installation would need a loop of around 100 miles (160 km). This is traditionally pictured as a circle, though in practice it could be more like a rounded rectangle. In either case it would require access to a significant amount of land to house the installation, and to contain the health effects noted below."
This could take care of most fossil fuelled operational reserves and cut emissions drastically.
Makes Mr Howard's nuclear vision all the more stupid. I am sure we could build the tranmission line for less than the 25 nuclear reactor he want to build. No waste to dispose of either.
Wow, you completely dont know what you're talking about. All that technology sure is cool but its using a steamshovel to empty a litterbox.
SMES is great stuff, but its for power quality not energy storage. Use pumped hydro instead...
Thats what the coal lobby is hoping for.
It hasn't rained much in Australia for the last ten years. They are running out of stored water for hydroelectricity and it's a serious problem. CSP is looking good because half of peaking power can be handled by the sun, and that stretches the hydroelectricity.
Of course, they could also build long pipelines or LNG trains (as in installations, not choo choos) to move the gas from the West to the East, or the North to the South, that would also work.
I know you're writing from a UK perspective, but obviously this technology would be even more attractive for the U.S. and Australia.
It also fits in well for proposals for a "Supergrid" which would use superconducting cables along with liquid hydrogen flows to send power across much longer distances with low transmission losses. Scientific American had an article about this last year:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&articleID=00003872-159C-14...
SHPEGS is our open project that is attempting to adapt solar thermal to more moderate climates like Canada, the Northern US, Europe and Asia.


The concept combines concentrated solar thermal, geothermal and heat pump technology to take advantage of the high summer solar insolation and cold winter temperatures of a more moderate northern climate.
The intent is to design and build a system that provides base load renewable electricity and thermal storage for structure heating in a location independent and efficient manner.
There are some additional essays on evaluating renewable systems and background and prior art.
Thanks rohar,
I've been conceiving solar tower technologies which combine with geo (and wind!!) for a while now. Thanks for the link!
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My grandfather pumped oil with an engine-house,
my father pumped oil with a 20 lb. electric motor,
can't I just pump it online?