The Bet
Posted by Robert Rapier on January 2, 2008 - 12:32pm
Topic: Demand/Consumption
Tags: investing, oil prices, saudi arabia [list all tags]
While I won my $1,000 bet on oil prices by a whisker, I know a lot were rooting against me. They should be happy to know that my bad karma is not going to allow me to keep the money. So, the lesson I learned years ago is reinforced: Don't bet.
(*Ed. note: Robert really did miss by a whisker - one trading day - front month crude touched $100 today)
Background
In December of 2006, there was a lively discussion here about what would happen with oil prices in 2007. Although almost everyone felt that oil prices would rise, some argued that oil prices would rise to $100 by the end of 2007. A major reason for this belief was that Saudi Arabian oil production was declining at the time – and many felt like this meant that oil production in Saudi Arabia had peaked.
While I felt that IF Saudi production continued to decline, we would certainly see oil prices go to $100, I didn’t think it likely that they were experiencing involuntary decline. Therefore, I offered to bet $1,000 that we would not see oil reach $100 before the end of 2007. I offered this as a single bet of $1,000, or 10 bets at $100, or anything in between. For a couple of weeks I had no takers, but then on 12/21/06 (incidentally my 40th birthday) I received an e-mail from someone offering to take the entire $1,000 bet.
A bit of negotiation ensued to make sure that we were very clear on terms and definitions. The terms of the bet were: If front month WTI reached $100 at any point in 2007, I would immediately pay off $1,000. If not, then I would collect $1,000 on January 1, 2008. We would not complicate the bet by considering a rising or falling dollar. By January 7, 2007 we had each transferred $1,000 into the PayPal account of Super G.
My expectation was not that oil prices wouldn’t go higher. I have invested with the expectation of consistently higher oil prices for the past 5 years. In fact, I predicted to my then boss after oil first crossed $50 that this move was due to fundamental reasons that were not likely to subside. So I am long-term bullish on oil prices. While I didn't feel that we would see $100 oil in 2007, I could definitely see that threshold being reached in 2008. As a result, I have consistently turned down offers to bet against $100 oil for 2008, even during the summer when oil was still trading in the $60's (about where it started the year). And I wouldn’t bet against $200 oil for 2010.
My Betting History
I have lost two bets in my life. The first time, I was in the 6th grade, and I lost a quarter betting a friend that my elementary school would win a track meet. I can still remember how I felt when I handed him that quarter. The second time was about 10 years later, and cost me a little more money. I bet my best friend that the Broncos would beat the Redskins in Superbowl XXII. We bet $5 a touchdown, and the Broncos scored a touchdown on their first play from scrimmage. I was feeling pretty good at that point. But it was all downhill from there. The Redskins proceeded to score six unanswered touchdowns, at that time a Superbowl record.
It seemed like karma was trying to tell me something: Don't bet. And that's the primary reason I haven't lost more bets. I simply do not bet. But 20 years after I lost that Superbowl bet, I made an exception this year - the $1,000 bet that WTI would not reach $100 this year. Once again, it seemed like karma sent me a warning, as oil came within a whisker of $100. And while I won the bet, my bad karma won't let me keep that money, as my earlier link indicated.
About My Betting Partner
Many people have asked about my betting partner. He has been silent throughout, but we have exchanged a number of e-mails. So, here are some excerpts about him, in his own words:
I still live, and I still lurk! (I've been an Internet lurker for 21 years; my only Usenet posting was about upgrading the audio circuitry of a Sony DVD player!)
I have to confess that when I agreed to the wager I had no idea what the price of oil would do this year, and as recently as a couple months ago I assumed there would be no chance of a run at $100 before December.
I tried to bet John Tierney last year that Natgas would go to $20.00, but he never got back to me. (fortunately, as it turned out).
I'm guessing that between exponentially increasing demand from China/India and exponentially increasing chaos in the Middle East, $100/bbl should be easy even in the absence of peak oil.
Let panic and chaos in the international oil market begin!
Piercing the veil on the mystery man-I'm a document analyst at Chemical Abstracts in Columbus, OH. If I see a patent from Chevron, Shell, et. al, I transfer it immediately to the petroleum section! [RR note: I deleted one sentence here as it may have enabled him to be identified, and I don’t know that he wants that.]
Risk Factors
I identified some risk factors from the start. A continued Saudi production decline would almost certainly lose me the bet. But my belief that the Saudi decline wouldn't continue was the primary driver behind the bet. But there were other risk factors. Here is what I wrote regarding the risk factors:
There are two scenarios in which I could see myself losing the bet. First, if we really are at peak now, and this becomes obvious as demand picks back up, then I could easily lose the bet. The other way is through a series of unfortunate events. If we have a bad hurricane season in the Gulf of Mexico, combined with terrorist attacks or pipeline problems (or any number of things), then I could lose the bet. But I think the odds of either of these is low enough to warrant the risk.
The Hedge
I also identified areas in which I was hedged. I own oil company stock that generally rises with the price of oil. So that’s a hedge. And in fact, while oil ended the year over $90, my company stock appreciated by more than 25% for the year.
Of course if the money was a big issue, I could have made another hedge. I could buy a contract as oil closed in on $100. If it rose to $100 from there, I lose the bet but earn money on the contract. If it fell, I win the bet but lose money on the contract. This is a sort of spread strategy I would use if I actually had big money on the line. But I didn't, so I didn't use it.
Investing versus Gambling
From the outset, I said that I invest, but I don't gamble. Without a doubt, skill and luck are involved in both gambling and investing, but gambling is weighted more toward luck. Here is an example of the difference to me. If I make a bet that oil prices will be higher or lower a week from now, per my criteria that is gambling. In the short term, oil prices can easily swing either way. But if I make a bet that oil prices won’t rise by $20 in the next month, that would fall more along the lines of what I consider an investment. The biggest difference there is in the probabilities involved. A bet on a $20 rise in a month would suggest a significant shift in fundamentals, whereas a bet on up or down in a week does not require that shift. I would probably have a 95% probability of winning straight-up bet on the $20 rise but only about 50% odds of winning the bet on simply higher or lower prices in a week.
In January of 2007, crude traded at $60. If you look historically, a move to $100 in one calendar year would be a very rare percentage move. Therefore, taking history into account, I deemed such a move unlikely. Of course if oil production has peaked, price history is not a useful guide. But in January, the market placed a low probability on oil reaching $100 in 2007. In a recent e-mail to me, Nate Hagens - who formerly traded for a living - reiterated that point:
I have been very bullish on oil but even I would have made the bet you did - no brainer - the option vol gave that about 1 in 12 chance of happening when you made the bet...
If I went to Vegas, would they give me even odds if I wanted to bet that oil wouldn’t reach $100 in 2007? Would the market give me those odds? Of course not. But I got even odds on the bet. So, I had history behind me, I was getting lopsided odds in my favor, and I felt very strongly that my primary risk factor – continued Saudi declines - would not go against me. To me, that’s a good bet. I don’t consider it gambling, because the odds are stacked in my favor.
Now, look at it from the other side. Let’s say I am convinced oil will rise to $100 in 2007. If I am, and the market is suggesting that there are 12/1 odds against, I buy a futures contract, and I make more than 10 times my $1,000 investment for being correct. Maybe this is why people were reluctant to take the bet - they didn’t prefer to give even odds when they could get much better odds in the market. That did occur to me, and would be a very valid reason not to take my bet, even if you were certain that oil would reach $100 in 2007. Of course my betting partner was aware of the odds, and just saw this as a bit of fun. And if he put a second $1,000 in oil futures, he is way up even after losing the bet.
I am not risk averse, but I stack the odds in my favor whenever I can. I understand probability and I don’t hesitate to put capital at risk if I feel the odds are favorable enough. This is primarily why I don’t invest in commodities. The reward is great, but so is the risk. And the time frames are generally not long enough for my long-term strategy. I try to look at fundamentals over a long period of time. I don’t buy a stock and sell it next year. I did when I was younger, but too many little losses affected my returns. Now, I buy according to how I see the long-term fundamentals, and if the stock goes down 20% in the next 6 months, I don’t sweat it. Exceptions of course being that the long-term outlook has substantially changed.
What Happened
Amazingly enough, none of the risk factors I identified transpired, yet I still nearly lost the bet. Saudi production stopped falling shortly after the bet was made. There were no major attacks on infrastructure, and the hurricane season didn’t affect any production for an extended period of time. Instead, there was a rash of other factors.
Primarily, whether you believe OPEC could produce more or not, their foot-dragging definitely spooked the markets. The fact that they waited until late in the year to start increasing production really fuelled speculation that they were tapped out. Worldwide inventories were pulled down in the 3rd quarter, but for the most part they weren’t unusually low. They were definitely lower than they were, but they were being pulled down from historically high levels.
The general consensus back in August was that oil might reach $80 this year, and perhaps $100 next year. But market sentiment shifted over the next 3 months. I think the ASPO conference in October really raised Peak Oil awareness. There were more references to Peak Oil in the media. It seemed that a critical mass shifted toward the view that we have peaked, or are near peaking. And once widespread realization of Peak Oil hits the markets, $100 oil will be cheap.
As market sentiment was shifting, there were a series of bullish events. For a while, it seemed as if every piece of news favored higher oil prices. Interest rates were cut. Prices spiked. U.S. inventories had some surprising crude draws. Prices spiked. Mexico had to halt production due to a storm. Prices spiked. Each week there was a new event that contributed to another $3-5 spike. OPEC continued to insist that there was nothing they could do, as “the spikes were not based on supply and demand.” Of course if they had the production to spare, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that they could have cooled off the markets by putting more crude out there – whether or not they thought it was needed. Oversupply the market, and prices come down.
The net result, regardless of the cause, was that front month WTI topped out at $99.29 on November 21st. I maintained at that time that I did not believe that price was sustainable in the short term, and even if prices topped $100 I thought they would give up at least $10. Why? Not because I don’t think oil is intrinsically worth $100. No, the reason I think $100 was overextended at that time was that 1). I didn’t believe the fundamentals had dramatically changed enough over 3 months to justify a 30% run-up; 2). I felt that OPEC had some spare capacity that they could bring on in response to higher prices; and 3). The market had not had time to absorb the impact of higher prices on demand. This latter point is important, because we did see signs of demand destruction – which you would expect – at these higher prices.
The IEA started revising their demand projections downward, and at the same time OPEC started pumping more oil. This did impact prices as I had expected – they corrected down to about $88 before making another run at $100 late in the year.
So, while I came within a whisker of losing the bet, and the outcome was still uncertain right up to the end, following the closing on New Year's Eve my opponent wrote to me and conceded the bet:
Hi Robert,
I hereby concede.
At this point I'm left only with the faint hope of skyrocketing natgas prices to soothe my battered investor's psyche.
Have a great new year!
What to Expect in 2008
I think there are a lot more uncertainties than there were a year ago. To me, there are a few questions. First, how will oil prices hovering around $100 affect worldwide demand? I don't think we have had enough time to gauge that. Second, can OPEC bring on more production if demand does continue to grow? Bottom line, I am not making any predictions for 2008 as I think the demand question is a real wild card. I do expect that we will go ahead and crack $100, and if demand is not significantly affected by $100 oil, then it will probably advance another 20-40%.
But, no more bets from me. As oil closed in on $100, I was actually waking up during the night and checking on oil prices. I was dreaming about oil prices. But, now that 2007 is over, I say "Bring on $100 oil", as I think this is the only way we are going to stretch out our oil supplies by getting people to conserve.
Happy New Year to all, and best wishes for 2008.



I have enjoyed your posts in 2007.Meanwhile oil +$3;surf's up in Bay of Campeche(H of 1047 over Tx) .Winds 40-50mph and waves 20-25ft.Expect Pemex to close some prod and ports.NG shut-ins on US side??
Only port of Salina Cruz open.All others closed since yesterday at 3:00pm.See what time off does!
$99.54 as I write this. So close...
CNBC reported that it just hit $100.
Note that WTI was right at $50 in May, 2005--which is so far at least the monthly C+C peak (EIA).
However, my vote for "why" is principally declining net oil exports. Extrapolating from year to date data, it looks like the top five net oil exporters are going to show back to back net export declines of about one mbpd per year in 2006 and 2007 (Total Liquids).
Man, it doesn't get any closer than that...
I had just posted this on node/3449 and thought it would be appropriate here.
Back in 2004, I published an article stating that crude oil will reach $100.00 / barrel before the end of 2007.
When I wrote it , I sent it to everyone that I knew, in hopes that they would come to realize that peak oil is happening.
I have not had any better luck than anyone else here, in getting anyone to prepare for peak oil.
The article is at -
http://www.angelfire.com/in/Gilbert1/tt.html
For date verification of original article, I posted it at a couple group sites.
You can check the archives at either of these links. You may need to sign into one of these for access.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/energyresources/message/73625
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RunningOnEmpty2/message/18022
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Regarding the hunting charges, I would be inclined to contest the charges. I'm not sure you want an illegal hunting misdemeanor charge on your record. I suppose that the officer could argue that he had probable cause for issuing tickets, but there is a big difference between probable cause and beyond a reasonable doubt. I would think that you could hire a lawyer to get a judge to dismiss the charges.
If possession of a rifle means that you were hunting, driving a car would mean that you planned to commit vehicular homicide.
Its also possible that the officers father owns a corn ethanol plant.
True. Robert may wake up with a horse's head in his bed one of these days.
In Iowa that would be a hog's head! ;->
While I think you were extremely lucky not to lose this bet, I do think that the collective knowledge/understanding here is ahead of the market. As you point up, 12 to 1 odds at the beginning of the year in the market massively undershot the reality. Seemingly every medium/long term prediction that analysts in the market make appears to be proved wrong - while the consensus here gets much closer to the truth.
Which makes me wonder.
Running a site such as this costs money. Server, bandwidth, advertising, etc. eat a steady pile of cash. So why not put money where mouth is? Collect small stakes from a wide range of posters ($1-$5 type numbers) and invest it in the market using the 'wisdom of crowds' type approach to pick the best option - with the emphasis on seemingly high risk / high return options.
Not only does it provide a route for the site to gain some extra funds, it also makes a great story for the wider media. Historically oil analysts are doing no better than chance - it would aid credibility no end if the TOD prediction were shown to beat the analyst's viewpoint.
The market is completely clueless at identifying long term trends in oil and always has been. Read this article by Simmons. http://www.worldoil.com/magazine/MAGAZINE_DETAIL.asp?ART_ID=2793&MONTH_Y... There's nothing different going on today.
BET ON IT! I've been documented here and elsewhere on the $100 as well, crude is going to $120 then $150 and also as I've said before $5.00 at the pump will become the new reality for americans soon. Also, I have my money and my client money where my mouth is and I will keep doing it! Demand has crossed production and it will not likely be going back, ever. That means Oil and Gas are going UP! I continue to bang the drum: ANY PULLBACKS ON CRUDE OIL ARE HUGE OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD OR ESTABLISH POSTIONS !!!! (by the way for those who are interested I am accepting a limited number of new clients so feel free to contact me, for those not intereseted, you can still count on prices going up) ALL ABOARD! Patrick Kerr, President of OilGasFutures.Com
Spam makes a great survival food - heavy on salt, but if you're out splitting wood, feeding the animals in the yard and fending off the Wez and his pals, your spam will probably be just fine....
mmmmm, spam
I experienced Spam for the first time this summer. I was in the grocery store with a bunch of my friends looking for provisions for our canoe trip down the WI River. We loaded up the shopping cart and suddenly realized that we were going to need to bring a cooler because of the beer, eggs, and bacon. One guy returned with Spam and another with several boxes of wine. The beer, eggs, and bacon were jettisoned. I thought the Spam was a joke and didn't think any of us would actually eat it until I found myself holding a Spam-burger next to the camp fire. I'm ashamed to say that it was quite good. In fact, we had a summer picnic after the trip and Spam was served along with the brats and hamburgers. No one who tried the Spam complained.
So my survival checklist goes like this:
Spam
Corbet Canyon Box-O-Wine
Ha - I was drawing attention to the spam activities of the poster above me - but yes, as humiliating as it is to admit, I have enjoyed spam. Growing up in the 70's (and being a fussy eater as a kid), spam was on the menu more often than I'd like to think. To this day I like the Hawaiian "sushi" made with spam - musabi?.
with all those nitrates in the can, how long is that stuff rated to survive anyway?
btw - on backpacking trips my father used to bring a smoked pork shoulder - without any cooling, it would last close on a week and stay edible - sliced and fried it makes a tasty morning meat product
box-o-wine eh?
ah ha and yikes: i pulled this quote from a great article on Richard Rainwater in FORTUNE Magazine for you "'How come some doofus billionaire in Texas made all this money by being aware of this (peak oil scenario), and why didn't someone tell us?'" That's basically all I meant by my comments, Like I said above, my comments were meant only for those interested ie i'm aware some people are not and was certainly hoping not to offend anyone ---pk
Shaun;
You could have Spam, eggs, bacon, beer and Spam. Or Spam, eggs, Spam, bacon, Spam, beer and Spam, or Spam, beer, eggs, Spam, bacon, Spam and Spam. Instead, you had Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, wine and Spam.
Sorry, I just couldn't help myself...
SubKommander Dred
Well, at least give them a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ7YedEopp4
Spam spam spam spam...
That's the great thing about camping, everything always tastes great! Most of the time that is.
Why? How long was your canoe trip?
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Livestock-and-Farming/1977-11-01/Can-You-...
Here's another one of those weird things like the thread about milk a couple of days ago. If the eggs are fresh out of the chicken they'll keep for a looooong time unrefrigerated. There's a coating on the eggs that keeps bad things from penetrating into it. Remember that this is the way a chicken reproduces and it lays a lot of them before it goes and tries to hatch them. So if you have a fresh, unwashed, and fertilized egg...it can stay edible for weeks. Eggs bought in the store have been washed of the coating so that they're "pretty" and are usually unfertilized and I wouldn't trust them very long out of the fridge.
For now, that $100 trade was only in the pit session. Electronically, the high was $99.60 - so someone was 'eager'.
In the end this is just a meaningless milestone. But it does serve as a valid reminder that we have moved into a different era, where the future is unknown, but finite.
It's official, see my capture from NYMEX above...
Yes a 'paper trade'. Nice memento for sale on Ebay soon.
While the occurrence of this "milestone" was postponed to 2008, we should not lose sight of the really significant milestones that did occur in 2007. I've just posted a comment (as "RealThink") to Brad Setser's blog on his review of 2007 milestones (http://www.rgemonitor.com/content/view/234734/), which I thought could fit in here.
Good summary, but it ignores key variables from the physical world that very likely will become more and more important as time passes. So I'll offer a few of them.
For crude oil, the 2007 milestone could best be described as "the third straight year of practically stagnant supply in the face of higher demand (and prices)."
This comes from both EIA data at http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/contents.html (table 3a) and IEA data at http://omrpublic.iea.org/currentissues/full.pdf .
World oil production
year 2005 2006 2007 2008
EIA 84.6 84.6 84.9 87.4 (wishful thinking?)
IEA 84.6 85.4 85.5
World oil consumption
year 2005 2006 2007 2008
EIA 83.6 84.7 85.8 87.2
IEA 83.9 84.7 85.7 87.8
Clearly 2008 will be "interesting times" in the Chinese sense for the oil market, since, for both the EIA and the IEA, projected 2008 global demand will be 2.3 Mpbd higher than 2007 global supply. So, either world oil production experiences a "surge" in 2008 (do you feel lucky?), or a good recession is allowed to take place in the OECD, or the oil price will surge deep into the triple digits in 2008 (and not only in dollars).
For food, the 2007 milestone is best described by the FAO in their November 2007 Food Outlook at http://www.fao.org/docrep/010/ah876e/ah876e00.htm
"The FAO food price index ... in September 2007 ... stood at 172 points, representing a year-on-year jump in value of roughly 37 percent. The surge in prices has been led primarily by dairy and grains, but prices of other commodities, with the exception of sugar, have also increased significantly.
... What distinguishes the current state of agricultural markets is rather the concurrence of the hike in world prices of, not just a selected few, but of nearly all, major food and feed commodities. As has become evident in recent months, high international prices for food crops such as grains continue to ripple through the food value/supply chain, contributing to a rise in retail prices of such basic foods as bread or pasta, meat and milk. Rarely has the world felt such a widespread and commonly shared concern about food price inflation, a fear which is fuelling debates about the future direction of agricultural commodity prices in importing as well as exporting countries, be they rich or poor."
And the linked Market summaries page (.../ah876e01.htm) adds, for cereals:
"For most cereals, supplies are much tighter than in recent years while demand is rising for food as well as feed and industrial use. Stocks, which were already low at the start of the season, are likely to remain equally low because global cereal production may only be sufficient to meet expected world utilization. International prices of cereal have risen, fuelling domestic food price inflation in many parts of the world. Trade is expected to contract because of high and volatile prices, coupled with soaring freight rates."
Therefore, price action for wheat, rice and soybeans as well as the evolution of global cereal stocks look like important milestones to include.
Particularly since, from the latest FAO communique at http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2007/1000733/index.html
"FAO is urging governments and the international community to implement immediate measures in support of poor countries hit hard by dramatic food price increases. Currently 37 countries worldwide are facing food crises due to conflict and disasters. In addition, food security is being adversely affected by unprecedented price hikes for basic food, driven by historically low food stocks, droughts and floods linked to climate change, high oil prices and growing demand for bio-fuels. High international cereal prices have already sparked food riots in several countries. "
Proof again that RR and the oil executives are part of a world-wide price conspiracy. There is no way they'd let him lose that kind of money!
U$S ----------> .679 €
GOLD
SILVER
Oil is moving in concert with the other commodities which indicates to me that the oil bidding war has not yet started. For example, currently an ounce of gold will buy 8.5 barrels of oil. When this number moves to 6.5 or less we will know the oil war is on. Ben is just printing too many dollars.
Looking at the charts, I would agree with you. However, is it reasonable that the oil profits are driving other commodity prices by reinvestment? Or, is it reasonable that Gold and Silver are also in short supply?
In addition to the dollar devaluation there surely is a lot of money going into commodities because paper, especially US and UK paper is cooked up garbage. It is like the chicken and egg thing. If the dollar were backed by good human capital and legit paper like it used to be, then it wouldn't be devaluating.
If the bet was about making a $1000 profit, Robert won.
If it was about making a point about the world's oil situation, he lost.
But the betting should continue. Price is what really matters as it effects every one of us. And, in reality, we are all forced to gamble on it by the choices we make.
I don't see how he lost "making a point about the world's oil situation". He says clearly several times in his article that he does think the world faces a big problem over oil in the coming years, but that even with things are going downhill there's a limit to how fast they can go downhill (because the underlying fundamentals don't change by unbounded amounts in a finite interval). Maybe he was lucky in his choice of limit for how much things could change in just over a year being only just larger than what actually happened, but the key question I want to understand (from reading posts from knowledgeable people) is not how fast things are going to get worse, but how slowly.
I conserve and don't live beyond my means now, but at the age of 34 in a relatively low paid job I just don't have the savings to go off the grid immediately. To me, it doesn't matter whether the "bite point" of peak oil is three years or five years off (where "bite point" to me means things like food supplies to UK cities being severely impacted, depression era unemployment levels, etc); it's much more important if that's ten, fifteen or twenty years off. And I can well believe that, particularly with "reality distortion fields" of spin doctors keeping everyone going right up to the precipice, this might be the case. (Of course, just because that's still relatively far into the future doesn't mean the majority of people will prepare for and adapt to it in advance, just that the unwinding may be slower than the many peak oil advocates say.) Those are the kind of timeframes over which I can take meaningful actions such as, eg, retraining, building up equity, etc; I'm not talking about immediate things like being out of credit card debt.
But I'm really looking for informed opinions: how slowly could the unwinding go?
Am no boffin on this embryonic, but have been following it since 2004 - actually got round to PO via Richard Duncan's Olduvai Theory. He seems to be pretty close to the mark from my point of view. Like you, I am can not yet afford to "fill the roof" with solar panels etc. My opinion is that we fall down pretty badly between 2010 and 2012. I feel i will need to get everything sorted by 2010, then it won't matter if we manage through a good many years longer. My problem is that I feel things are coming along quite a bit faster than I originally thought a couple of years ago. in 2005 I was 100% sure we wouldn't see $100 oil before 2009/2010. Now I'm not so sure that we even have another 2 or 3 years before the tires start shredding - the wheels might even fall off completely before then. Good luck. P.S. a Narrow Boat is a good place to start when trying get "Grid free", I am gas and water free currently, but providing the electric is still a major stumbling block.
I agree with Asebius. Robert may have won his bet, but he didn't win his point. And your post is proof.
As I understand it, Robert's point wasn't that the decline would be slow. It was that we are not at peak yet. He was arguing that OPEC's cuts were voluntary. He thought OPEC would bump production up and thus lower prices (and prove they were not at peak yet).
Now, I actually don't think Robert's theory has been proved either right or wrong yet. How much oil OPEC actually produced is debatable, but overall, it looks flat.
But most people following casually probably think that Robert was proved wrong, even though he won the bet. No one thinks he would have made the bet if he had any inkling he'd come within one (trading) day or a few cents of losing. Clearly, he didn't expect oil prices to get this high.
The price was a substitute for production, and as it turned out, it was a poor one. The rise in prices has as much to do with the weak dollar as anything else. But people focusing on just the bet don't see that.
I agree with Earthworm Jim. It was a tie. Not just on the price bet, but on the underlying debate. OPEC did not decline further, but neither did they boost production. So peak vs. "peak lite" is still unknown.
Well depletion marches on each year so OPEC's ability to increase production if its exists declines every year. Next the place to watch is in general not OPEC but American production and the North Sea. Its declines here that put pressure on exports. If I'm right and these regions are going to see accelerated declines then it does not matter what OPEC does if they don't pump more oil.
If we lose say 1mbpd plus from "safe" production and OPEC continues to follow export land model.
We are still down.
So I think OPEC will decline but on the same hand thats not the problem area today as far as production goes. The exporters Russia, OPEC etc have a lot of above ground and political reasons to not increase oil supplies that much even if they can. I think that has at least become clear over the last few years regardless of production capacity.
So now its non-OPEC declines and export land that will determine our short term future.
In my opinion a lot of the non-OPEC production is facing steep declines now.
Very slowly.
Robert almost lost because he didn't understand how quickly the market players could digest and respond to the basic oil depletion story even in the absence of major supply disruptions.
2007 showed that the world is not going to be blind-sided by peak oil and that's good news. Don't head for the hills just yet.