A Compromise on the Drilling Question
Posted by Robert Rapier on July 24, 2008 - 10:00am
Topic: Supply/Production
Tags: alaska, alternative energy, anwr, oil exploration, oil imports, oil prices, outer continental shelf, solar power, wind power [list all tags]
| I have given a lot of thought to the issue of opening up new areas for drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) and in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). My position has always been to leave that oil in place for a very rainy day. I wanted to see major conservation efforts in place before we considered tapping that oil. Opening those areas when oil was $20 a barrel would have meant that much of it would have been used frivolously. |
Now that oil is over $100 - and in my opinion will be much higher in 5 or 10 years (T. Boone Pickens predicts $300/bbl in 10 years) - we will have tightened our belts a good deal by the time any of this oil could actually reach the market. Therefore, I think now is the time for Congressional hearings on opening up these areas. Let's have an open debate on the issue. However, if these areas are opened for drilling, I have a compromise that should be very attractive to those in opposition.
Hopefully this essay conveys a pragmatic approach designed to bring two sides in this debate closer together. At present it is hard to imagine that they could be further apart. A big part of the reason for the chasm between views is that there is a great deal of misinformation and misunderstanding surrounding the issues. I hope to address those in this essay.
A recent sampling of letters to the New York Times gives a flavor of the views of the opposing sides:
To Drill or Not to Drill? There’s the Rub
First a letter opposed to further drilling:
Allowing offshore drilling for gas as a solution to high fuel costs, as President Bush urges Congress to do, is as sensible as growing more food in response to rising levels of obesity or robbing a bank in response to overspending one’s budget.
While it is not popular, the clear answer, as it is in the case of overeating and overspending, is to cut back in the consumption of food, in the consumption of one’s salary and in the consumption of fuel.
Painful as it is, I applaud the $4 gallon because it is the one thing that has finally gotten the public to focus on the fact that we need to consume less. For the first time, one hears from every quarter, turn off the lights in rooms you are not in, recycle that paper, drive less and take public transportation or ride your bike. That is the kind of talk political leaders should be encouraging, not new ways to keep up the old habits.
And one in favor:
As a 40-year Alaskan, I can tell you that opening of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is the most sensible solution for America’s oil problems. Most of the people who are trying to stop drilling in the refuge have never been in our state.
You have no idea how little space they are talking about. Take a regular envelope, pretend that is the refuge ... now where you would put the stamp, that is the area they want to open.
Alyeska Pipeline has worked, the gas pipeline is in the process, and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge should be. Congress is making this a party fight. How about putting that energy into fighting for all Americans, as oil prices don’t care whether you are Republican or Democrat?
So, where does the truth reside? Is it not worth the effort? Or can we "drill here, drill now" and make a significant step toward energy independence? Let's investigate.
What is the Objective?
This is the key to the entire debate. Different groups have different agendas, and desires are often based on misinformation. Take a couple of extreme examples. I consider myself an environmentalist, but one who is practical, and informed on energy issues. Let's take an environmentalist who may be less-informed. Like me, they are concerned about the impact of continued fossil fuel consumption on our environment. When they think of drilling, they envision oil slicks washing up on the shore, and a polluted ANWR. They see oil companies - not ordinary citizens - as the primary beneficiaries if drilling is allowed. They are optimistic about the ability of alternative fuels to rapidly scale up and replace depleting fossil fuel reserves. Or, they don't fully understand the implications of falling fossil fuel reserves, or in an extreme case they don't care and think the earth could use a healthy die-off of the human population.
Each of these groups is going to be vehemently opposed to opening up areas to additional drilling. They simply don't think there is a need, and that it will simply delay our transition to alternatives. Those in Congress who are so outspoken against additional exploration likely fall into the category of 'alternative fuel optimist.' If they can only keep the ban in place, alternatives, mass transit, and conservation will rise to the challenge. The key to this approach is that the alternatives must deliver when they are needed, and they must cover severe shortfalls. What if they don't? What is Plan B? Shortages? Rationing?
For our other extreme example, let's consider the Hummer-driving, non-negotiable lifestyle mentality. The majority of this group is also not very informed on energy. They believe that underneath U.S. territory lies an ocean of oil, waiting to be tapped - if those darned environmentalists would only get out of the way. They are prepared to drill through a polar bear's head if it will mean cheap gasoline - which they know it will. These people are going to be very outspoken about the need to drill anywhere, anytime. This approach suffers from a very similar problem as the previous approach: What if the oil that is available simply can't cover any severe shortfalls? What if the expectations of these vast oceans of oil lead us to delay actions on alternatives? Again, what is Plan B? Military action?
The majority of us fall somewhere in between, but it breaks pretty sharply along party lines. Democrats don't want to drill, Republicans think we should drill. Perhaps we should first develop an idea of the stakes.
How Much Oil is at Stake?
That's a big problem. We don't know. All we have right now are 'educated' guesses. Multiple government agencies have made assessments. The Minerals Management Service in the Department of the Interior estimated in 2006:
The MMS estimates that the quantity of undiscovered technically recoverable resources ranges from 66.6 to 115.3 billion barrels of oil and 326.4 to 565.9 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. The mean or average estimate is 85.9 billion barrels of oil and 419.9 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
Of that, they estimate that reserves in areas currently off-limits to exploration amount to just under 18 billion barrels. Based on the 2007 U.S. consumption rate of 20.7 million barrels of oil per day, 18 billion barrels would last just under 2.5 years.
The EIA estimate from areas currently off-limits to exploration was very similar at just over 18 billion barrels:

This graphic was recently used in a post at Grist by Joseph Romm, who argued that the amount of oil that is off limits has been greatly exaggerated. Based on the above graphic, Romm has a point, as the amount of undiscovered oil in areas open to exploration is more than twice the estimate from areas off limits to exploration. However, much of that oil is mile-deep water that will be very expensive to develop. So the comparison isn't necessarily apples to apples.
Estimates of recoverable oil from ANWR are of a similar magnitude. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) in a 2008 report noted:
In the mean oil resource case, the total volume of technically recoverable crude oil projected to be found within the coastal plain area is 10.4 billion barrels, compared to 5.7 billion barrels for the 95-percent probability estimate, and 16.0 billion barrels for the 5-percent probability estimate.
The EIA also presumes that it will take 10 years to scale up and bring production online:
At the present time, there has been no crude oil production in the ANWR coastal plain region. This analysis assumes that enactment of the legislation in 2008 would result in first production from the ANWR area in 10 years, i.e., 2018.
The primary constraints to a rapid development of ANWR oil resources are the limited weather “windows” for collecting seismic data and drilling wells (a 3-to-4 month winter window) and for ocean barging of heavy infrastructure equipment to the well site (a 2-to-3 month summer window).
The timeline broke down as 2 to 3 years to obtain leases, 2 to 3 years to drill an exploratory well, 1 to 2 years to develop a production development plan, and 3 to 4 years to build infrastructure.
What's the bottom line? With an estimated 18 billion barrels of oil offshore and 10 billion barrels in ANWR, there is potentially enough oil there to meet four years of U.S. demand. However, in terms of imports, currently around 13 million barrels a day, there is potentially enough there to eliminate oil imports for nearly 6 years. Further, based on my proposal below, there may be enough there to eliminate imports for 20 years.
Finally, consider the economic ramifications. If we do nothing, despite well-intentioned calls for conservation, our insatiable demand for oil imports will continue. With production from some of our major suppliers having peaked (e.g., Mexico) and with internal consumption in other countries negatively affecting their exports, the price of oil will be under constant upward pressure over the long term. If we don't produce those 28 billion barrels of oil, we will go and buy those barrels on the open market. At today's oil price, that means that about $3.5 trillion will leave this country, much of it flowing into countries that are hostile to the U.S. By keeping that money at home, we can not only create jobs, but we have an opportunity here to fund a transition away from oil, and to more sustainable options.
Let's Compromise
Both sides generally agree that our dependence on petroleum is a problem. Among the arguments from both sides is that this dependence puts our national security at risk and that it endangers the environment. I think both sides would agree that a long-term solution to the problem could be a combination of conservation, along with alternative options such as higher efficiency vehicles, electric transport, and mass transit. Where large numbers will start to disagree is whether this is achievable in the short-term, or whether it is going to take a few more years and a few more technological developments.
I fall into the latter category, for a variety of reasons. I am pretty familiar with a lot of the alternatives, and they are simply not competitive even at gasoline prices of >$4/gallon. To illustrate that point, consider Europe, where gasoline prices in many locations are now approaching $10/gallon. Even at that price, fossil fuels remain the dominant choice for transportation. It is going to take more than price - or at a minimum much higher prices than Americans probably anticipate - to drive us away from a very high level of dependence upon fossil fuels.
So how about a compromise? I propose that we open up some of the more promising areas to exploration, and then devote the royalties to funding fossil fuel alternatives. We could subsidize public transportation. We could provide a tax credit of $1,000 for each person who purchases a car that gets over 40 mpg. We could borrow a page from T. Boone Pickens' plan, use these oil revenues to fund wind and solar power, and displace natural gas which could then be used to displace petroleum.
It is true that the oil won't flow from these areas for perhaps a decade, but by then we are likely to be in very bad need of it. Prices will probably be very high, which means the royalties from the oil will provide a lot of money for funding alternatives. This should be a compromise that parties from both sides could agree to. If not, then what's going to happen is that as prices continue to rise, so will the pressure to drill, and Congress will eventually cave in to these demands. But by failing to earmark the money for alternatives, it will just postpone the inevitable. So now is an opportune time to hold open Congressional hearings on the subject.
That's a compromise I prefer. However, one that would have even greater support behind it would be to return an oil dividend to U.S. citizens (as Alaska has historically done). That is tangible for people, whereas funding the alternatives may not be. However, while I think this compromise would find wide support among many people with stretched budgets, it does nothing to address the problem of oil dependence. That, in my opinion, must be part of any solution.
A final excerpt from those New York Times letters summed it up best, in my opinion:
People say we should have a Manhattan Project-style program to develop alternative energy. That is fine, but while the Manhattan Project was continuing, we did not put World War II on hold while we waited for the atom bomb. The conventional war was continually fought throughout that time.
Conclusion
As I recently calculated, we could displace a great deal of our fossil fuel consumption with solar power, but it will ultimately take a multi-trillion dollar investment. We could borrow from T. Boone Pickens' plan and use wind and solar power to displace natural gas that is currently used to produce electricity. That natural gas could then be used in CNG vehicles to displace petroleum. The net impact would be a large reduction in our fossil fuel consumption (and note that it is much easier to produce natural gas from biomass than it is to produce liquid fuels).
We sit on top of trillions of dollars of oil. We should use it – sparingly – to wean ourselves from oil dependence. The realistic alternative to this is that we continue to be highly dependent upon petroleum. As a result, we will watch those dollars flow out of the U.S. - right up until the point that our imports dry up and we watch a new generation of sons and daughters march off to fight resource wars because of our failure to plan ahead.
Additional Reading
The US Offshore Drilling Argument: The Debate Between "Starting Now" and "Waiting a While" by Gail the Actuary
An Example of a Competitive Lease Sale Notice from the Bureau of Land Management
U.S. federal oil and gas royalties from Congresspedia



If the oil doesn't flow for ten years, what good is your compromise? If we are going to compromise, let us start the royalties now. In other words, the oil companies would have to pay up front for the privilege of drilling and not just a token lease fee either. We need the money now to fund alternatives. The Pickens plan needs the money now to meet his ten year goals. The Gore plan needs the money now to meet his ten year goals.
I would reluctantly support a compromise but only if we have the money upfront to fund a crash program on alternatives. My fear is that the "drill, drill, drill" crowd will open up the OCS and ANWR and provide no money now. This also relates to global warming. Waiting for the funds later puts up way over the tipping point.
I think Pickens said we send $700 billion per year overseas to fund imported oil. And that "investment" is burned up shortly after it is imported and refined. The money is gone forever with no return. Perhaps we should also have an import tax which cuts demand and provides some funds for conservation.
Some want to use the "kitchen sink" approach where we do it all. Drill, drill, drill. Conserve. And fund alternatives. But the U.S. is broke. I don't see where we find the money to do it all. We also expect the oil companies to invest trillions in new sources of oil to "keep up". Well, if peak oil is really a reality, we won't be able to perpetuate the peak even with massive new investments. The oil companies will not set priorities which move us away from oil because they have a short term perspective. Priorities must be set for them through the tax structure.
Having said all that, this country is in a financial crisis which is being "solved" by making the crisis worse through taxpayer bailouts. But these are bailouts by current taxpayers; the debt is just being piled up even higher.
If oil companies are asked to pay billions up front in order to drill, with a ten year wait for a return on investment, they are not likely to bother drilling at all.
The IOCs are running out of new places to drill, especially due to the dominance of the state owned oil companies. I am sure we can find a price point where they are willing to pay to play. Otherwise, they can start planning to go out of business. Another alternative would be to nationalize them.
This was also my thought. In fact this compromise can be used to delay investments in the alternatives. The argument will go: "We are broke. Wait until the ANWR royaties come in."
If we are going to compromise, let us start the royalties now.
You won't get the royalties now, but you will get money from the lease sales up front. You put blocks up for competitive bid, and the high bidder has the opportunity to drill. When the oil starts to flow, you get the royalty. For instance, let's say you bid $500/acre up front, then the government gets that money right away.
You could also put in royalties based on an escalating scale. A royalty that is 15% at $80 a barrel could go up to 40% if oil is $200 a barrel. There are all kinds of workable solutions here. But as the next poster noted, if the demands are too high, oil companies will deem the risks too high and they won't bother.
In order to be energy independent in ten years time the USA probably needs new domestic flows >10 mbpd.
Nobody knows how much oil is in the currently off-limits areas but, even if we did know, the reserves have almost nothing to do with flow rates, let alone the required flow rates (if indeed any oil discovered is thin enough and the rock is porous enough to allow flow.)
Whether these areas are developed (and produce any royalties of consequence) will depend on the oil companies making a profit and the US consumer being able to afford the price - if you don't know what the price will be in ten years how can you predict the flows or propose that the flows will be adequate in any meaningful way?
Why can't you leave some potential oil for your grandchildren as a deliberate insurance 'plan B'?
Why can't you leave some potential oil for your grandchildren as a deliberate insurance 'plan B'?
That was the take home message from Gail's previous essay: This oil is expensive and difficult to produce. If we wait, we may be in too deep of a hole to ever be able to extract it. You leave a trillion dollars in the ground, and instead send it to Saudi Arabia.
The plan I have for my grandchildren is that they won't need oil. At least that's my dream.
So, no 'plan B' then, with your 'plan A' grandchildren (and all later generations) have no option, no oil it is! ... and this oil will last you how long? ... and KSA will let you have all the oil you want for how long? ... Do you actually plan to have any surviving grandchildren? IMO this plan says 'NO' to a very high degree of certainty!
IMO your plan has way too many unknowns and is therefore very, very risky and too short term - if this ? ... and ? ... and ? ... and ? ... and ? ... then all might be well for a very few years.
Several thousand million people in the world would say that your plan of burning all the oil as fast as possible is the exact opposite of what is required - importing all you desire form other countries is never going to be a solution, even in the medium term.
Another plan would be 'Rapidly learn to live sustainably with much less oil' - it isn't BAU but it is an inevitable inconvienient truth - the sooner the USA starts the easier it will be for everybody.
So, no 'plan B' then,
I am proposing Plan B. That's the whole point of using the revenue to make a major push into alternatives. I could make a very long list of things that could be done with the oil revenues that would make a major dent in our oil demand.
Another plan would be 'Rapidly learn to live sustainably with much less oil' - it isn't BAU but it is an inevitable inconvienient truth - the sooner the USA starts the easier it will be for everybody.
You are proposing a concept. I am proposing a road map. As I said, I am pragmatic. Your "plan" isn't pragmatic. It isn't even a plan. What is going to prompt people to live sustainably? Well, ultimately price and supply shortages will force it on them, but they aren't going to voluntarily do it in large numbers. And while it is forcing it on them, we will make our oil-exporting neighbors rich while we sit on our endowment and squander away any chance of ever using it to affect positive change.
Again, I can assure you that when Joe Public is paying >$5/gal for gasoline, those areas are going to get drilled. Joe Public will demand it. I see a chance to make some positive change, but that window may close by the time Democrats start caving on the issue.
Oh, I am sure those areas will get drilled and I am sure that people like KSA will not willingly supply the USA with the oil it needs for long term BAU growth.
Being pragmatic and proposing a middle path you are missing a critical point - oil is just one part of the total economy.
A workable pragmatic economic plan for the future must consider all the limitations, not just the problem of oil in isolation.
What you are proposing is a faith based compromise attempt at BAU high growth for as long as possible, party on, burn the oil ever more quickly 'til it's gone, the 'just-in-time-fairy' says alternates funded by this bonanza will be perfectly adequate to allow exponential economic growth forever - what lucky people our grandchildren will be.
At some stage less oil will be consumed, and if this leads to deflation (as seems possible) then since the banking system MUST have growth to function normally there will be less and less resources to invest in anything - let alone sustainable, adequate, energy alternatives - what unlucky people our grandchildren will be!
Oh, I am sure those areas will get drilled
Then you will have lost the opportunity to use that oil money at an early stage to push us down the alternative energy path.
What you are proposing is a faith based compromise attempt at BAU high growth
How so, when what I am proposing could move us away from oil? When prices may be $300 a barrel by the time the oil could flow? Do you think it will be BAU at $300?
Robert is right -- there is going to be more and more political pressure to drill in ANWR and the OCS -- better to head it off now into something constructive. I'm opposed to drilling, if it will only be used to perpetuate BAU -- and the temptation to do that will be overwhelming. If OCS or ANWR oil revenues can be earmarked for a major push into renewables, that is more palatable -- Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.) realizes that, I think that is why he is starting to change his mind about drilling in ANWR. We should have probably done exploration work in ANWR and OCS a lot earlier, if only to find out exactly how much is out there. Hubbert, in Congressional testimony in 1974, doubted that OCS oil would make much of a difference -- and that was 34 years ago, when our domestic oil production was a lot higher than it is now...
RR,when are you and people like you going to realize that it is a whole new ball game.Thinking in terms of the past just will not cut it.
Developing and applying new low emission energy has to be started now regardless of the BAU crowd.The alternative is for the whole ricketty show to fall flat on it's face,sooner rather than later.
Drilling in currently restricted areas is going to make stuff-all difference to the outcome either way.Compromise is not an option.
I'm sorry to say that you are just blowing smoke.
Developing and applying new low emission energy has to be started now regardless of the BAU crowd.
And of course high prices are giving it a good boost. However, let's get real. When gas gets too high, people are going to be ready to throw environmental laws out the window, will the polar bears, and to hell with the ice caps. That is the reality when this starts deeply affecting pocket books. I can tell you that at that point, you will wish you had seen the wisdom of compromise. Because people who insist on holding their ground at all costs are going to be steam-rolled. Momentum is building now. You may get a reprieve if gas prices back off, but it won't last. And you will have lost an opportunity.
Drilling in currently restricted areas is going to make stuff-all difference to the outcome either way.Compromise is not an option.
Those sorts of arguments are just silly. Drilling won't make any difference. Thus, we must stop drilling? If drilling won't make any difference, just collect the money from the oil companies for the rights. They will be big losers when they come up empty, and alternatives will get a boost.
RR, I appreciate the motivation behind your proposal, but I think your words here sum it up. In other words, I think that any compromise made now will be thrown out the window once gas prices start to rise; any promises made will be unmade. I've dealt with legislation and compromise, among other things, and it's shifting sand. That's what I have against CO2 sequestration too: it's nice in theory but ultimately it won't be done. In retrospect it will just have provided a rationale to do what's easiest.
There may be future civilizations. Be nice to leave a little reasonable-EROEI oil on the planet in case they actually want to do something useful with it. We won't, I'm afraid. (and the climate up there may be pretty temperate by then).
cheers
I don't know about people living more sustainably, since after all burning even gram of any depleting resource is unsustainable; but people may live conservatively, or frugally, or less wastefully.
Currently, people are happy to burn fuel to move themselves and a tonne or two of steel fifteen minutes' walk to the shops. Just recently on TODANZ someone was telling me,
That's a wasteful attitude, and is very common. The US uses around 25 barrels of oil per person annually, countries like Australia, France and Germany 12-15bbl, and countries like Croatia or Hungary 7bbl or so. The US also produces 9.25bbl. So if the US used oil like France and Germany, it would cut it imports from 16bbl to 3-6bbl each, saving the country hundreds of billions of dollars annually. If it used oil like Croatia it would be an oil exporter again.
While the examples of Croatia and Hungary may not seem appealing to most Americans, I daresay Australia, France and Germany are fair examples. Why is it that we have two sets of countries, both with very similar lifestyles and qualities of life, yet one with a much larger oil consumption than the others? The significant difference is waste.
This is nothing new. Wealthy and militarily dominant countries tend to be wasteful with resources. Imperial Rome, Louis' France, Victorian Britain, Mughal India, Ming China - none of these countries were known for their frugality.
But it need not be so. It's been shown time and again that Westerners in general, and Americans in particular, will respond to calls in time of need. Laws and regulations and taxes combined with strong advertising explaining the need for them in an honest way produce this kind of hard work and frugality.

That is, in WWII people were told that conserving fuel by sharing vehicles would help the war effort and the defeat of fascism. A very similar argument could be made today about radical Islamic terrorism, since it's funded largely by people in countries which are oil exporters. "When you ride alone, you ride with Bin Laden!"
Laws, regulations, taxes and an honest advertising campaign describing the reasons for conservation - these have proven effective in reducing water consumption in Australia, smoking across the West, and energy and resources in wartime in many countries.
It's fashionable to imagine that "the masses" are politically apathetic and utterly inert and useless. Aside from these ideas being the root of fascism and thus deserving of rejection, they're simply wrong. People do respond to calls for action.
Of course you may feel that "the masses" are fat and lazy and can never possibly change their behaviour. In which case, since peak oil and climate change are facts, the world is doomed; whatever we do can only put off the inevitable collapse in Mad Maxian anarchy by a few years. But I don't believe it's so, and even if it is it does no harm to try.
Oh, Fer crimminies sake, Puleeeze! Can we get real here, huh?!!
There are many reasons to fight terrorism, Islamic or otherwise, but if you truly buy the above argument you are full of it to the point of being more likely to explode than a cartoon of Mohamed with an explosive device in his turban.
You want a scapegoat look in the damn mirror, hasn't it become clear enough yet that we have met the enemey and he happens to be us!
Ride a Bike or take a Hike!
Don't look at me, I walk, ride, and use public transport, and don't even own a car - my spouse does, and it does one-third the average kilometres of an Aussie car (4,500km to the average 14,700km).
I'm the one advocating the one tonne CO2 lifestyle, and trying to live it - personally, if I can't manage it as a household (try making your spouse do anything...!)
But if you are going to burn petrol, be aware that it's putting money into the pockets of radical Islamic terrorists. That's not "scapegoating", that's a fact. We're responsible for how much fuel we burn, and for the consequences of its burning.
No offense Kiashu, your argument however well intended does not hold water.
Even if some of the money that goes to Islamic oil producing nations does end up in the hands of Islamic terrorists, it does not in any way follow that it is directly supporting them. Unless you can back that statement up with hard empirical evidence, which I very much doubt that you can.
Osama Bin Laden is too convenient a boogey man, if I'm not mistaken even the Saudis have officially disowned him. Then again maybe they have a master plan since a terrorized poulace in the western world tends to drive less there will be more oil left over for them right?!
Then again how about if you drive alone you drive with, Dick Cheney, Putin, Hugo Chavez or any of a rather long long list of possible alternative scapegoats. We don't need scapegoats we need to accept responsibility for our own actions, I'm certainly with you on that.
Cheers!
Maybe it holds oil.
Perhaps you dislike the presentation of the argument, but I agree with its validity. T Boone Pickens has called what's occurring, "the greatest transfer of wealth in history". This is not difficult to see, if we import 9 million barrels of oil a day that is, at present, some one Billion one hundred twenty five million dollars that flows out of the US that day, or over 400 billion dollars per year.
While I disagree with the premise and execution of the "war on terror" a significant portion of this 400 billion dollars goes to nations that are opposed to the United States. If conservation reduces this cash outflow to nations which, we are told, intend us harm, it is not only a frugal action, it is patriotic. Such civic mindedness needs encouragement not derision.
Dismissing the role of oil in current geopolotics, no offense intended, just strikes me as silly. Where did Bin Laden, a "prince" of the house of Saud obtain his 100s of millions, a tiddlywinks factory?
You know there are even some who speculate that the war on Iraq and the current aggression towards Iran on the part of the US are directly related to securing access to Mesopotamia's oil.
Conservation efforts which negate the need for this oil, along with increasing where possible domestic production, are not only patriotic it, to the extent they might decrease oil related international strife, they also show a humble and responsible attitude towards other nations.
eeehh, shiver, if I saw that on a bumper sticker it might be enough to get me bicycling to work.
First of all I'm actually open to the possibility that the war in Iraq had quite a bit to do with oil.
That is *NOT* exactly the same as proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that burning fossil fuel in America is supporting Islamic Terrorist Acts.
Some of that wealth is being transfered from the American middle class to the likes of Exxon and Shell oil too, are you saying they are making bank transfers to Osama? How about the oil that is bought from other oil producing nations? Where does the money go that is ending up in the hands of oil refineries in the Gulf states of the USA? Are all of them also sending their weekly contribution to Islamo Terrorists?
How about the fundamentalist Islamaic religious grass roots organization around the world that get contributions directly from their followers at the local mosque? Maybe they get their money directly from the American gas station owners?
The statement made by Kiashu is a simplistic one to say the least and plays on the basest of fears. Any one out there have a dollar figure as to how much money spent at the pump actually ends up in the hands of Islamist Terrorist?
I do: x>$0. And the more Mexico declines and we import from KSA the higher x goes. Which makes Kiashu right.
BTW, where do you think all that money in the mosques comes from?
I do: x>$0. And the more Mexico declines and we import from KSA the higher x goes. Which makes Kiashu right.
BTW, where do you think the money in the mosques comes from?
Driving cars isn't the only evil.
Buying lots of crap made of plastic, imported from China, from huge supermarkets which you have to drive to is another part of the problem. Consumption for the sake of consumption (or to prop up an economy based on ridiculous principles)
I'm all for boycotting WallMart, even if you have to tell them they are supporting the boogeyman. They won't change to save the environment or for any other ethics.
Kiashu, you're not a kook (or maybe you are and don't care).
I made a decision to conserve 5 years ago, bought the highest efficiency hybrid 45 mpg available and I work from home.
I reduced my
mileage to 4500 miles a year(7200 km), so I'm at 880 kg per year just driving. Not much of a bike rider though.
Power, I'm good (my utility is a nuke-HA!), gas not so good at 118 kg(winters are cold here). Food (I have no idea but I'm on a diet so I put down 0). So spining things in as self-serving
way possible I am proud to say I'm a 998 kgC!
Hey,
That is a great poster. We had rationing, which should be considered Plan A, but more to conserve rubber than fuel in WWII. You are correct that there are finacial ties that make an even stronger case today.
I think we need to do all we can to discourage any further drilling and to do that we should force the price of oil down. This frees up money immediately to put towards alternatives. Robert's idea about royalties will be strangled because it will be claimed that they boost the price at the pump. We need to cut consumption now to a level that promotes $20/barrel oil so we actually have the funds right now. http://mdsolar.blogspot.com/2008/06/oil-is-too-expensive.html
Chris
Great post.
Conservation, while not as sexy as all these whizz bang renewables, holds a ton of value. Especially in any transition period.
We are not totally boxed in...yet.
I thought you might be interested in this:
http://www.amazon.com/When-You-Ride-Alone-Laden/dp/1597775134
I have a comment in regards to ANWR. At the present time the Trans Alaska Pipeline is operating and its operating costs are supported by existing oil fields. If we wait until 2025 to allow drilling in ANWR I suspect the oil may be effectively unrecoverable.
Declining production from existing fields will eventually not provide enough revenue to fund the operations of TAPS. If this occurs before drilling in ANWR it is likely that TAPS physical plant will be deteriorated requiring massive investment to either repair or replace it(I saw the original effort required to build TAPS and would not care to have to estimate costs for major repairs or a rebuild in todays environmet).
If ANWR is found to have merely a large amount of oil these fields may not be large enough to fund the effort needed to bring TAPS back on line. While if the drilling occurs sooner the existing fields can continue to produce for a longer period of time because ANWR will help fund the TAPS costs. This should increase the URR from the existing fields feeding TAPS.
Based on what I know we should drill in ANWR now and not count on huge finds for future use.
Alaskan pipeline throughput has fallen from about 2 million barrels per day to less than 700,000 barrels per day. I have read that if throughput falls below 300,000 there is a danger that the pipeline might freeze during the long cold Alaskan winter. Is this true?. If so should ANWR be explored soon so that any economic oil can be produced and transported while the pipeline is still functioning? Any oil situated off the beach in Santa Monica can be saved for our grandchildren.
When will the results from KIC-1, the well drilled in ANWR during the 80's, become known?
http://anwrnews.blogspot.com/2005/04/aint-it-kic-story-of-anwrs-only-wel...
"let us start the royalties now"
what royalties ? royalties are paid on oil and gas extracted and sold. you apparently want the ioc's to pay in advance for an undefined quantity of oil and gas. it's a pig in a poke.
and as has been stated herein previously, there may never be any recoverable oil or gas.
you may consider the lease bonus a trivial amount, but in reality it will likely amount to $10's or $100's of millions(if any anwr lands are ever leased).