Russia: There Is Life After Peak Oil

Suburbs of Moscow, July 2008. You don't have to be able to read Cyrillic to understand the red sign (photo by the author).



Russia has changed beyond recognition from the dull times of the years after the fall of the Soviet Union, when I heard it described by an American acquaintance as "the most foreign country I know". At that time, Moscow was a grey city covered in dirty snow. It had no shop windows, few lights, no restaurants outside those of the hotels. Walking along the streets, you would see people dressed in black, looking like they had nothing to do. There were plenty of beggars and of drunken men staggering along.

Things have been gradually changing. This July, I have been back to Moscow for a week and I found a city full of flowers and with shops, restaurants, malls, and everything that you expect to see in European cities. The traffic is heavy; the old Ladas are still there, but there are plenty of new cars, including SUVs. Beggars have disappeared, a few drunkards can still be seen, but the city is full of young people evidently in good health, well dressed, and looking happy. The cities around Moscow that I saw during my trip don't look so shiny, but it is clear that the wealth that has concentrated in Moscow is gradually spilling out to the rest of Russia. According to Wikipedia, Russia is now the 7th country in the world in terms of GDP adjusted for parity purchasing power. In 2006 the average monthly Russian salary was equivalent to $640 and by now it is surely much more than that. It would be still hard to define Russia a rich country, but the trends are unmistakable.

The standard explanation for the present wealth of Russia is that it has embraced capitalism, leaving behind the obsolete and inefficient ways of Soviet communism. It may be, but the real explanation may have to do with oil. On this point, a common legend says that the West engineered the fall of the Soviet Union in the mid-1980s, when Saudi Arabia could be convinced to inundate the market with cheap oil and cause the oil price to crash. That badly hit the profits that the Soviets were making by exporting their oil to the West.

As for many legends, also this one has a basis of truth. After the first world oil crisis that had peaked in the late 1970s, Saudi Arabia and the European countries facing the North Sea world had invested enormous sums in developing new fields. In the mid 1980s. these fields had started producing and nothing could prevent oil prices to fall down as the result. The price crash wasn't engineering on purpose against the Soviet Union, but the effect was the same. The Soviet Union, at that time, was engaged in a costly war in Afghanistan and also needed to import grain from the West; and pay for it in dollars. Short of cash and on the brink of starvation, the Soviet Union simply couldn't survive. It went bankrupt and disappeared.

But the fall of the world oil prices was not the only problem that the Soviets were facing. Also their internal oil production was in troubles. As we can see in the following graph, a first oil production peak for the Soviet Union took place in 1987 (figure from ASPO, www.peakoil.net).




Again, the standard explanation here is that oil production declined because of the fall of the Soviet Union. However, we may also argue that the opposite is true; that it was the peak that brought down the Soviet Union. This view has been convincingly argued by Douglas Reynolds and Marek Kolodziej. For instance, see this statement by Reynolds at the energy bulletin:

The Soviet Union experienced peak oil first hand—a 43% decline in domestic oil production between 1987 and 1996. This crisis caused Soviet society to fall into devastating economic impoverishment. Can this be proven? Yes. Here is the quick story: The oil decline in the Soviet Union preceded the GDP decline. A statistical test, Granger causality, shows this. Oil decline did not follow the GDP decline, it was ahead of it, and therefore it caused it.

For more details on this interpretation, see the two papers by Douglas Reynolds and Marek Kolodziej listed at the end of this post. In short, the Soviet Union was a victim of its internal peak oil, whose effects were amplified by other factors, such as the Afghan war, the drop in international oil prices, and the need for Soviet countries of importing food from abroad.

If this explanation is correct, and I believe it is, Russia has pulled off a major feat in recovering from peak oil. A feat comparable to that of turning back the German invasion during the second world war, or that of Napoleon in 19th century. Indeed, everyone knows that invading Russia, especially in winter, is never a good idea. Peak oil, however, was a different kind of enemy, one that could not be beaten using armies and enlisting "General Winter" to help. How did the Russians manage to find life after peak oil?

There are various explanations for the rebounding of the Russian oil production. Some have to do with factors such as the poor management of wells in Soviet times or the higher willingness of Russian entrepreneurs to take risks in a free market situation. Personally, I favour the interpretation that the recovery was possible because the Russian society was able to cut deeply in the bloated government expenses of Soviet times; mainly the army and the hypertrophic bureaucracy. The resources saved from these sectors could be invested in more exploration and in upgrading existing wells. With more effort, more equipment, and more drilling, oil could again flow out in increasing amounts.

If this is the case, victory against peak oil needed tremendous sacrifices from the Russian people, just as it was the case for the victories against Napoleon's and Hitler's armies. Indeed, the misery of the post peak times is well told by Dimitri Orlov in his book "Reinventing Collapse" and in his blog cluborlov . We learn from Orlov of the nearly complete collapse of most of the sectors of the Russian society. Government employees, most of the population, suddenly found their saving worthless, their salaries reduced to nearly zero, or to actually zero. For years, survival was possible mainly because of the food produced in small, private vegetable gardens, a heritage of the mismanaged food distribution system of Soviet times.

My personal experience in Russia in those years is in complete agreement with Orlov's report. I came to know very well the situation of my colleagues working in universities and research institutes. During my visit, I was told that the number of researchers in Russia has been approximately halved since the times of the Soviet Union, from about 200,000 to 100,000, you can have some idea of what kind of "creative destruction" the Russian society went through. Except that it wasn't so creative. Entire research institutes were abandoned and later transformed into office buildings or shopping malls. Researchers had to be creative in order to survive. Those who could, moved to Western Europe or to the US; others turned janitors or bodyguards. Others clung to their jobs trying to do the best they could with the limited - or non existing - resources available. This experience, incidentally, has made me perfectly aware of what is in store for me as a scientific researcher in a not too far future. The difference is that I won't have a West to move to.

Now, with market prices going up again, Russian oil has become immensely more valuable than it used to be at the time of the fall of the Soviet Union. The revenues in foreign currency could be used to rebuild the Russian economic infrastructure. The salaries of scientific researchers are back and even the Russian army has regained its former status of world power, as the recent events in Georgia show.

But, no matter how much effort is placed in revitalizing old wells, the amount of oil available remains physically limited. Russia's oil production may have peaked a second time in 2008, as reported in the Financial Times.

Even with the second peak arriving, Russia may not be facing a second collapse. The first peak combined all the possible problems: decline of world prices, expensive wars ongoing, and the need of importing food from the West. Now, these conditions are reversed or much less important. For instance, Russia, a top grain importer at the times of the Soviet Union, seems to be now self sufficient in terms of cereal production . So, if Russia can avoid a drastic fall in oil production, for the coming years it can have sufficient oil for its internal needs and still obtain a good revenue from exports in a market that is likely to become more and more desperate for oil supplies. Short term perspectives look bright for Russia.

And in the long run? The second oil peak is likely to be the final one. This time, another economic contraction such as the one of the 1990s wouldn't be enough to revitalize the old wells once again. Russia has also to worry about climate change: while it might mean that Russians can save on fur coats and hats, global warming may spell disaster for those Russian cities built mostly on permafrost. But Russia in the coming years has a window of opportunity to invest in an energy infrastructure that is not based on fossil fuels, a window that is probably closing or already closed for most Western countries.

The Russians have a still functioning nuclear industry. Russia has mineral uranium resources and a good number of nuclear warheads that could be reprocessed for nuclear fuel. It also has the only functioning fast neutron reactor in the world, at Beloyarsk, and has claimed to have solved the problem of building a "closed fuel cycle" reactor . That would be a major advance and would solve the problem of uranium shortage that may affect the present generation of reactors in the near future. I have no direct knowledge of the Russian nuclear situation but, from what I can say of other fields, Russia still has plenty of top class scientists and engineers, despite the non-creative destruction of the 1990s. Considering also the financial resources available, I would think that the Russian plans of boosting nuclear energy are serious.

As for renewables, Moscow is not the right place for solar panels but the Russian territory is immense and there must be plenty of places suitable for solar and wind energy. Probably there are also good possibilities for geothermal energy and Russia is so vast that it would also be the ideal place for high altitude wind power . Some good research work is being done in some areas of renewable energy, such as photovoltaics (this is the reason I went to Russia this July). It is too bad that it seems that renewable technologies don't seem to be a priority for the present government. But that can surely be improved, Russia should never be underestimated (nor invaded in winter, of course).

Several years ago, at what seemed to be one of the darkest moments of the Russian collapse, I was walking in one of the avenues of Moscow. I noticed a series of large signs hanging from lampposts, showing traditional Russian buildings and landscapes. One of my Russian colleagues translated the text of the signs for me as saying, "Nobody will help Russia, so Russia will have to help herself". Government propaganda? Sure, but that is what the Russian did. Never underestimate a country that has survived peak oil.

Two references

Two references on the Russian collapse and recovery. Both are available at www.sciencedirect.com (subscription required)

Former Soviet Union oil production and GDP decline: Granger causality and the multi-cycle Hubbert curve. Energy Economics, Volume 30, Issue 2, March 2008, Pages 271-289 Douglas B. Reynolds, Marek Kolodziej

Institutions and the supply of oil: A case study of Russia
Energy Policy, Volume 35, Issue 2, February 2007, Pages 939-949
Douglas B. Reynolds, Marek Kolodziej

Thanks for this Ugo, fascinating stuff. I remain to be fully convinced by Reynolds' and Kolodziej's position that the Russian oil decline was just down to scarcity though.

Has any large region fallen 43% in 9 years just down to scarcity? Well, yes – North Sea and Mexico show similar collapses. Even so these off-shore collapses have zero chance of picking up again like Russian production has. Injection of Western technology as suggested can't have changed the game that much! There wasn't much investment in the mid-nineties and the pick up in production was extremely rapid.

They argue oil decline pre-dated GDP decline but coal post-dated meaning internal economic chaos (which would affect all industries) couldn't be to blame. But it's not as simple as that. The Russian coal industry was to satisfy internal demand, much of the oil industry was there to satisfy exports, in competition with other exporters. Gas production didn't decline with oil, another argument in favour of oil scarcity? Again the gas was for internal consumption and unlike coal, more a 'socal' fuel than a war machine fuel. There's more going on than oil scarcity.

Peaks in production can be caused by many things, scarcity being just one. I don't think we can discount the global oil export market's influence on Russian production and whilst oil decline may have pre-dated GDP decline, we need more to prove a causal relationship. The two declines could have been caused independently by a third event and oil production just responded quicker than the GDP data.

Hi Chris,

This is Marek Kolodziej.

I usually don't comment on TOD articles due to the lack of time (I'm studying for my PhD qualifying exams right now), but I would like to make a couple of clarifications. First, Doug Reynolds and I never said in our papers that the Soviet economic decline was chiefly due to the oil production slump - at the very end of the USSR's existence, the military was appropriating something like 85% of the country's budget (I don't remember the actual statistic, please refer to Thane Gustafson's "Crisis Amid Plenty," available e.g. via Amazon). The country had to dissolve due to its military expenditures sooner or later, as well as to other inefficiencies like the inability to produce an adequate amount of food. It is noteworthy that e.g. the food imports had to be paid for with hard cash, and the ruble was not convertible, so the USSR needed to earn pounds/dollars/DM via resource exports - so the Soviet peak in oil production should have and did hasten the Soviet demise. What we did say in our papers was simply that there was "Granger causality" between oil output and GDP - that is, the dynamics of GDP (i.e. first differences of GDP data, e.g. GDP(t)-GDP(t-1)) were better explained statistically by adding the lagged dynamics of oil output (i.e. Q(t-1)-Q(t-2), Q(t-2)-Q(t-3)) to the regression. Since the causality worked only from oil to GDP and not vice versa (the lagged oil production was helping explain the GDP series but the lagged GDP data didn't help explain the oil production data), we concluded that the oil production decline did CONTRIBUTE to the GDP decline - measuring the precise degree of contribution would require a much more detailed specification than just this simple Granger causality test. Unfortunately, Soviet economic data were meaningless - for instance, the farm machinery output was often measured in TONS of machines, not in value added - how do we compare tons of tractors with tons of lasers (the latter being a high value added good), for instance? So, all in all, peak oil did precede and hence HELP cause the GDP decline, but it was by no means a decisive factor. However, given the trouble with converting rubles into foreign currencies, the decline in the amount of exportable resources did hasten the collapse, given that the USSR was forced to import food from the West due to its inefficient agriculture, among other things.

Hope this helps.

Chris,

One more thing - I disagree that coal and gas were exclusively for domestic consumption. Germany, Poland and many other countries were heavily reliant on Soviet natural gas even under communism. Eastern Europe generally traded their industrial products for gas, and at below-market prices - however, a significant percentage of gas was exported to the West. Similarly, the USSR, Poland and other countries that were communist pre-1989 were exporting coal outside of the CMEA (communist) trading bloc - I know quite a bit about that, because I grew up in Poland and have spent the first 19 years of my life there. Apart from the fixed cost nature of the gas infrastructure that we discuss in the paper, it needs to be noted that the European gas market was disconnected from the rest of the world due to the still nascent LNG market - hence, a contributing factor to the oil decline was the collapse of its price in 1986, which did not happen in the case of the exportable Soviet gas due to the relative constancy of European gas demand.

Marek

The question is, no doubt, complex. My personal interpretation is that the slowdown and the peaking in oil production was a direct cause of the fall of the Soviet Union simply because it reduced the amount of foreign currency that was available to the government to purchase food and indispensable items from the West. That was helped by other inefficiencies of the Soviet government that generated plenty of negative feedbacks. Anyway, all that is of course debatable.

A good point that Chris makes is how to explain the precipitous drop in production after the peak. That is, indeed, much steeper than what you can see in the case of the US. I think it is another result of the negative feedbacks that occurred in the US but not in the SU (nice symmetric names!). Just one of these negative feedbacks could have been the "brain drain" that led a large number of Russian engineers and scientist to migrate to the West.

Ugo,

I think that since the US had a convertible currency (and in fact the world's "reserve" currency), importing the way out of the problem was feasible. Since nobody wanted rubles, Russia first had to earn dollars/pounds/DM by exporting the oil to then exchange the foreign currency for the needed items. Poland had similar problems - it needed to export coal to the West to earn convertible currencies with which it could for instance buy the needed electronics to equip its ships (built in the Gdansk and Szczecin shipyards) that it would then export. Poland was lacking adequate foreign currency reserves, so the government created two chains of stores (Pewex and Baltona) that would sell foreign goods with huge price markups, and those goods were available only in dollars. At a time that you could buy Levi's jeans for $20 in the US, they would cost $50 at those stores. The extra $30 would help the government rebuild their currency reserves. Any tourist visiting Poland was obliged by law to exchange $15 for Polish zlotys for each day of stay. There were countless other schemes that communist countries were coming up with to enable the imports of critical goods at a time when their own currencies weren't convertible - and of course they weren't due to those governments' own policies - if you don't allow the conversion from rubles or zlotys to dollars, then you can't expect the dollars to flow in if the foreigners can't expect their money to be available on demand in their own currency. So, trade and the aforementioned schemes were the only outlets for currency earnings.

That, as you point out, made a big difference. The other thing is that Russia's systemic transformation caused huge disruptions due to the need for the prices to adjust, the no longer needed heavy industry to close, etc. The 1991 collapse meant that the entire Soviet economy had to close shop and reopen in a totally different guise. Nobody needed more nuclear warheads, battleships and tanks - in a new market economy, people were expecting to be able to get, say, chocolate, meat or shoes, which were rationed under communism. I remember that when I was little (before 1989), my parents would get a ration coupon for 1 (one!) chocolate bar per month for me - anyone over the age of 16 wasn't able to get even one chocolate bar per month. Clearly, when the Soviet central planning collapsed and people were free to produce consumer goods rather than weapons, they chose to do the former - but when you had rusting equipment that could only manufacture AK-47's, then obviously you had to first melt it down and transform it into something else. The complete retooling of the economy took a long time.

Still, the Polish economy only suffered about 15 months of recession, while the Soviet economy was in the doldrums for over 5 years. The difference was that while the Polish law and institutions adjusted along with the "shock therapy" of the economy, Russia was mired in lawlessness and corruption for much longer. There, the economic "shock therapy" was applied without the institutions in place - and the mafia and the oligarchs gladly took advantage of that.

Note: by "trade" I of course meant natural resource exports - trade in consumer goods (which was extremely small) only happened within the CMEA (Council for Mutual Economic Assistance) bloc. Also, I obviously meant "former Soviet" economy when I referred to the slow post-collapse recovery of the FSU.

Yes, Marek, I think that this is exactly the point. The US could survive their national peak in 1970 because they had a convertible currency; they could pay oil in dollars and so they could simply gradually shift the supply from Texas from Saudi Arabia (just an example, oil comes to the US from many producing countries). Russia coulnd't do that. They would have had to pay the Saudi Arabian oil in dollars; but where would they get dollars? Up to then, they had gotten dollars from the sales of their own oil! Then, plenty of other problems with an economy that was so deeply focussed on heavy equipment; military and otherwise.

One last point - by "meaningless" Soviet economic data I mean that while GDP was a figure that could still be somehow recovered despite the price distortions (e.g. check out the work of the Penn World Table folks at UPenn who have spent their entire careers calculating PPP adjusted figures for about 120 of the world's countries), most disaggregate data were not available to augment the statistical analysis. So, the model may well be subject to omitted variable bias. Even so, the result agrees with our assumption that stems from the timing of the 1987 peak and the 1991 collapse of the USSR - also, the time series data were extensive enough that the conclusion of the Granger causality test indicates the direction of the causality both way before and after the dissolution of the USSR. As always, one wishes there were more data available.

I wish the US would go bankrupt like the old Soviet Union did, because the Blue states could then become independent of the Red states that keep voting in idiots like Bush/Cheney & now McCain/Romney.

That would actually be a dream come true. The end of imperialistic invasions of foreign countries, no more trying to police the world with arrogant banter, an end to all those dumb arguments about guns, right to choose, wearing or not wearing a flag pin, slippery slope, stem cells, fuzzy math, etc.

Just let each State become its own country and choose independently their own path. We really should take example from the Soviets and do everything we can to emulate its downfall. 9.5 trillion in debt is a good start. Let's give everyone 10,000 dollars and double the debt! Let's start a huge war with Iran and start the draft...

A good article and a good comment!

The article is a good comparison with Michael Gorbachev's petulance in the New York Times this morning:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/20/opinion/20gorbachev.html?_r=1&ref=opin...

This is REALLY why the Soviet Union collapsed, mediocre politicians, living their own dream and to hell with reality. There was no other reason why the Soviets could not feed themselves but ideology. There was no reason for the Soviets to allow their infrastructure to deteriorate past the point of no return.

http://www.englishrussia.com/?p=315

I think the US and tbe Europeans lost a great opportunity in the early 90's to bring Russia into a European concord. A big reason this did not happen was because of the influence of defense industries that were threatened with a loss of European demand on one hand and an oversupply of ex-Soviet equipment on the other. Selling gear to new NATO countries has always been a priority ...

If only China could be wedged into NATO, somehow.

As for the comment, the best and easiest way for the US to solve its energy problems short term is to invade and conquer Venezuela. We would divide the country in two; keeping the oil part for ourselves and giving the rest over to Greenpeace for a nature preserve which would solve both the climate change and 'Chavez problems'.

Operation 'Go Green'!

Of course, we could better pull this off with conscription and an 'under the table deal' (Non- aggression pact?) with Putin regarding spheres of influence. Our sphere in Iraq is only so-so of a payoff for us. The Saudis and Iranians have not been intimidated as we hoped they would become ... but we can turn over the Middle East franchise to the Russians and focus on this hemisphere.

It would take little to overrun Canada and Mexico. We've invaded Mexico twice not counting Texas. The Canadians are NICE, they would be easier for us than the Georgians were to Putin. The great prize is Brazil, we could smash everything but the oil fields and the salsa. Heck, Brazil doesn't have much of a military. We ought to be able to knock that place over in six months.

'Operation Salsa'

I think dividing up the world into red and blue is a great idea. One for you and one for me! We Americans can all be 'Red' (How ironic!) and those who don't like it can leave it!

Salsa? Brasil?
Sorry. Salsa is a spanish word (not Brasilian/portuguese) for sauce, i.e., hot sauce.
Salsa dancing and music are caribbean, predominately Cuban.

http://www.englishrussia.com/?p=315

That page is A-grade rubbish. That "main highway" to Yakutsk is many thousands of miles from the industrial world in remote Siberia. There has never been a proper road all the way because much of the terrain defies road construction - too marshy etc. All you can see from those photos is that someone had the bright idea to clear a trackway through the forest (which would serve for travel by tanks and large civil engineering vehicles). But then various ignorant people took a chance on driving their bog-standard, or more to the point, non-bog-standard cars along that treacherous route, with predictable consequences. Nothing to do with the general standard of RF roads (not that they're that much better, to be sure).

Invading us Canadians would be about the worst idea americans could come up with.

They've tried to do it on 3 seperate occasions before. Twice we stopped them, and once we beat them back so far we burned down the whitehouse (which was actually pink at the time and white was the only colour that would effectively cover up the char from the fire)

note the correct spelling of the word 'colour', eh!

I think something was left out of my US public school education. Please share a few details about these attempted invasions and the charred Pink House...

Greg,

"I think something was left out of my US public school education. " I'll bet, this is from wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington

The attack was in retaliation for the U.S. invasion of York, Upper Canada (now Toronto, Ontario, Canada), at the Battle of York in 1813, in which U.S. forces looted and burned the city, including the Parliament Buildings of Upper Canada.

So two centuries later and not much change:-(

Thanks Tony. So much for the myth that America has never been invaded...

I thought it was common knowledge that America was invaded by hordes of cowboys, get-rich-quickists, and religious nuts, from England etc., and things haven't entirely changed since.

Yes, Canada has been invaded several times, and the attempts were all beat back...by the British, not Canadians. At the time, Canada was a region of the British Empire and people largely with British and French peoples, rather than a nation as it is now.

Still, invading Canada would most certainly be a mistake...maybe just Quebec.

Please, take Quebec.

Maybe we should just force Canada to take Texas instead :-).

"by the British, not Canadians." -- ?? At that time, there was no distinction whatever. It only became possible to be a Canadian after 1867. And you might still find Canada a prickley mouthful (just kidding).

Usa would not invade canada because it already own it. See NAFTA.

Usa never let an anti-american govt elected in canada or mexico. It never let these countries make an army that could be called an army. Heck pakistan has a stronger army than canada and mexico combined both conventionally and unconventionally (nukes) inspite of

(a) being a new country (got freedom from british in 1947)

(b) going through three wars with india in between 1947 and 1971

(c) losing half of its population and quarter of its area to india in 1971

(d) in constant threats of war from india, russia, afghanistan, iran etc

Heck, if it was Pakistan we would have blown off our natural resources with our own hands rather than becoming a slave to an aggressor because of it.

The canadians need to get awake from their "glorious" part (if its a glory to be a slave in british empire). Heck it was much easier for iraqis to fight americans in 1800s but modern warfare is a much different story.

We will be all right-we have all the smart Pakistanis living in Toronto-they can help us out.

Heck pakistan has a stronger army than canada and mexico combined both conventionally and unconventionally (nukes) inspite of

(e) A per capita GDP that is 20% what Mexico has and 7% that of Canada.

Coincidence, I'm sure. It's not like foolish military spending ever crippled the economy of any other nations or anything.

Usa would not invade canada because it already own it. See NAFTA.

I suggest you literally see NAFTA, as it's obvious you don't understand what it actually says. This has been covered before.

"slave in British Empire" ? AFAIK the Canadians were not slaves, British rule gave it the decency and freedom that it wouldn't have had if other empires ruled it.
The best fate to befall backward areas was to be taken overby the British (not perfect but much better than the alternatives).

The British changed their policy toward the remaining colonies after the Revolution. If the British had treated the Canadians after the Revolution the way they treated them before the Revolution, Canada would be part of America.
Instead they treated the Canadians the way they should have treated the Americans in the first place. The British can and have learned from experience. Contrast that with the American ability to learn from our mistakes...

maybe the "best fate" for the white people. Natives and imported slaves did not fare so well. The best fate for the "backward areas" would have been for the Europeans never to have shown up. But they did, and now the European invaders are in turn being invaded. Interesting world.

No, although the best fate was never to be invaded every part of africa and asia was invaded by another. So realistically the best choice was to be taken over by Britain ( which outlawed slavery 60 years before the US and 160 years before KSA).
As far as Europe now being invaded I regard that as somewhat racist (although true). Most of the "invaders" are ex empire (North Africa to France, Caribbean to UK etc) and make for a better society. My fear is the tolerant multicultural society will be destroyed in a helter skelter after TSHTF. Interesting world indeed.

Hey bigpatty!

Do you know how to spell "Canada" without using any vowels?

- C eh, N eh, D eh?

There is a certain sad logic to that rant. And maybe Gorbachev is being "petulant", although the article has been translated from Russian, and it's tone may be misleading.

However, assuming that steve is trying to be logical and not just a smart-ass, one can say that the lessons of history, for what they are worth, demonstrate conclusively that a bipolar (Red/Blue) world is unworkable. The inherent instability leads inevitably to the tragedy of the Gingham Dog and the Calico Cat

Time will tell whether Russian politicians have learned anything from the last century, but if they persist in following the U.S. path of hyper-capitalism (i.e. profit to current shareholders above all consideration of the economy, people or environment that the particular enterprise is embedded in) then we are all toast.

Anti-missile missiles in Poland enrich U.S. based "defense" enterprises. It is hard to see who else benefits-- even if they work, which is highly questionable. And if Russian "defense" contractors counter, as is likely, then the cold war starts all over again.

Poor world!

"then the cold war starts all over again" I thought everyone already knew that that's obviously the whole and only motivation for such a dumb provocation.

The great prize is Brazil, we could smash everything but the oil fields and the salsa.

I hope you realize that the reason you are getting arrowed down on your comment is because you don't know the difference between Samba and Salsa. Hint, there ain't no Salsa in Brazil. Second hint there isn't an army in the world that would heed it's commanders if they told their soldiers to attack a Samba school. Trust me, a Samba school can lay down any modern army. Native Brazilian here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4V38d_NCRk
Good luck invading Brazil, LOL!

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You forgot to ship the girls to China.

LOL

They were busy defending our borders :-)

:-)

Sorry, 'operation desert salad' has already been taken and 'operation kick 'em in the nuts' ... well, the Pentagon doesn't like foul language ...

:)