Hurricane Gustav, Landfall, Energy Infrastructure and Updated Damage Models -- Thread #5 (Updated 9/1 21:00 EDT)

Hurricane Gustav made landfall in LA just south and east of NOLA as a Category 2 hurricane.

Models done after landfall and their damage forecasts are included below.

The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port, or LOOP (see JoulesBurn's story on the LOOP here), and Port Fourchon, which has historically been a land base for offshore oil support services in the Gulf, was in the path of Gustav and is expected to be damaged. As you will see below, a good bit of oil and natural gas is also expected to be taken offline: some for weeks, some for much longer, according to Methaz' models.

Matthew Simmons, of Simmons International says this about the importance of the LOOP:

LOOP is the only facility in the Gulf to unload VLCC tankers which carry over 2 million barrels of crude. They can in theory be "litered" by unloading onto smaller tankers that can make it into the Gulf Coast ports but this is very lengthy timewise and the spare capacity of these smaller tankers is slim. We get about 1.2 million b/d of crude imports through Loop. (+/- 10%)

Our next update will likely be in the morning. Keep scrolling, there's a LOT of maps, data, and information in these posts. We appreciate your help accumulating resources, stories, and newstips in the comment thread below!

Updates today from Chuck Watson at KAC/UCF:

Here's the 9/1 update:

Well, I think someone (who out of modesty shall remain nameless) forecast several days ago, Gustav would hit unfavorable conditions in the northern Gulf and never make it back to mega-storm strength. That seems to be the case. Center landfall with peak winds of 100kts or maybe slightly less looks to be at Grand Isle, at 8am ET - as of 730et the "eyewall" appears to be touching land.

I'm mostly sticking with the synthesis from last night (based on multiple models) as to impacts, and we're now in a "wait and see what the inspections bring" mode. The big question is what if any major damage the LOOP suffered and (perhaps more vulnerable than the LOOP itself) the connection pipelines to shore. Baseline estimate is 10-14 days for the port itself. Radar shot (7:30am ET) with tracks and LOOP labeled attached.

Production: Unless something broke that shouldn't have, we expect production to be back up to 60-70% within 30 days, and back to 95% by the end of the year. We expect a long-term hit of 3% or so since this swath went through some areas that Ivan, Katrina, and Rita missed and some older, less productive wells will not be restored.

Refineries and distribution: Mainly short term disruption due to precautionary shutdowns, no long term unless we get unlucky with pipelines.

All in all, my thinking is that this could have been a lot worse. Storm was disorganized crossing the OCS, so waves and storm surge will be lower than they should be for a storm of this size and intensity.

Here is Chuck's landfall composite for Gulf (GOM) oil and NG production, which covers the GoM loss for the month of September in to the context of overall oil production, imports, and refining. Note for those crunching the numbers that since GoM is about 25% of US production, 40% of the GOM's contribution of 25% is 10% of the total US production.

COMP ATCF Forecast Time: 2008090112
14 day:    8.21 MMBBL ( 52.36% normal), gas   63.50 BCF ( 65.91% normal)
30 day:   19.98 MMBBL ( 59.46% normal), gas  145.98 BCF ( 70.70% normal)
60 day:   43.01 MMBBL ( 64.00% normal), gas  304.43 BCF ( 73.73% normal)
90 day:   95.23 MMBBL ( 94.47% normal), gas  586.06 BCF ( 94.62% normal)
6 mon :  195.13 MMBBL ( 96.79% normal), gas 1205.43 BCF ( 97.31% normal)
1 year:  400.48 MMBBL ( 97.96% normal), gas 2478.60 BCF ( 98.67% normal)

Interpretation: the models say that 40% of GOM oil will be offline for 30 days and ~30% of GOM NG for will be offline for 30 days--followed by marginal increases in GOM supply (both imports and production) through the next months. (E.g., the 60 day number for oil is 36% shut-in, but between 60-90 days, the number goes down to 5% of GOM oil shut-in.)

UPDATE: 10:00 EDT 9/1 - Graphic below is damage models based on LBAR hurricane forecast track, key is below. Numerical damage estimates are below the fold for oil and natural gas shut-in and damage.



Path/damage estimates using LBAR 10:00 EDT forecast-click twice to enlarge

For all graphics: Rigs/Platforms: Blue: evacuated only; Yellow will require inspection before restart; Red: damage requiring repair; Refineries: Black: operational impact (partial shutdown) Green: Operational impact (full shutdown) Red: Damage likely; Ports: standard hurricane flags for wind

We are not hurricane experts at theoildrum.com. Neither are we experts on damage forecasts to oil and gas infrastructure from weather events (though thankfully we do have an expert that helps us). What we try to do, and have been doing for over 3 years, is articulate the fragility and urgency of our nation's, and our world's, energy situation. As Hurricane Gustav moves nearer, and professional meteorologists and energy analysts gauge the impact it may have on our energy infrastructure, feel free to browse our archives of hundreds of empirically based analyses and perspectives on the myriad energy issues that form the backdrop not only for this hurricane, but for any exogenous event that disrupts the increasingly uneasy balance between energy supply and demand in our modern interconnected world.

There are many resources under the fold (by clicking "there's more" in this post), including details of the latest oil/infra damage estimates from Chuck Watson at KAC/UCF as well as lot of other resources including rig maps, models, google earth maps, and a lot more in the comments.




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LAST 24 HR FORECASTS FROM CHUCK WATSON

Here's Chuck's 23:00 EDT 8/31 update:
Synthesis of data available at this time: The Loop looks to take a direct hit. Estimating minimum 14 days down time assuming it holds up to specs. Peak waves probably in the 40-45 ft range offshore, so any remaining older stuff built to the older air gaps are probably toast; the newer stuff (55ft gaps) should be OK, but will take a few wave hits. Some potential for undersea slumping and scour - bet we loose some pipelines. GOM overall production will probably take at least a 3-5% permanent hit; pending new wells. Bunch of minor damage to "refinery row" (in along the river); most should be back up in a week or so, if product is available. Humanitarian note: this isn't a great track for NOLA, but the weakness we're seeing on the normally stronger side of the storm may save it from worse damage.

Based on the 18Z (2pmEDT) update: While not wonderful, the forecasts for GOM infrastructure continue to improve. While the NHC forecast remains pessimistic, and Gustav shows some signs of trying to regain its strength, it is not having a lot of success. For wave and surge generation, organization is key - even if the spot winds pick up, unless the wind field is organized well overall surges and waves will not be as high as the raw wind speed might indicate. Our surge models are dropping water levels significantly (still, 18 ft will ruin your day). Surge model run is attached - much less dramatic than the Cat 4 maps floating around. Damage trends for other models are improving as well. This is looking less and less bad for the GoM Oil/Gas production, IF the post-Katrina improvements hold. The disorganization and track shifts have reduced the threat to the LOOP - makes me happier. I'm really thinking that by tomorrow evening we will be talking about "dodging a bullet". Final word: DON'T NOT EVACUATE JUST BECAUSE THINGS LOOK BETTER! These are just models. Don't bet your life on it.

Production/Damage Estimates

(UPDATED 10:00 EDT 9/1)
Here are production estimates from Chuck Watson:

Here's our final pre-landfall composite:  COMP ATCF Forecast Time: 2008090112
14 day:    8.21 MMBBL ( 52.36% normal), gas   63.50 BCF ( 65.91% normal)
30 day:   19.98 MMBBL ( 59.46% normal), gas  145.98 BCF ( 70.70% normal)
60 day:   43.01 MMBBL ( 64.00% normal), gas  304.43 BCF ( 73.73% normal)
90 day:   95.23 MMBBL ( 94.47% normal), gas  586.06 BCF ( 94.62% normal)
6 mon :  195.13 MMBBL ( 96.79% normal), gas 1205.43 BCF ( 97.31% normal)
1 year:  400.48 MMBBL ( 97.96% normal), gas 2478.60 BCF ( 98.67% normal)

Early on 8/31, when models were improving, Chuck said:

This is looking less and less bad for the GoM Oil/Gas production, IF the post-Katrina improvements hold. The disorganization and track shifts have reduced the threat to the LOOP - makes me happier. I'm really thinking that by tomorrow evening we will be talking about "dodging a bullet".

Final word: DON'T NOT EVACUATE JUST BECAUSE THINGS LOOK BETTER! These are just models. Don't bet your life on it.

Here's a new graphic for the forecasted surge from Chuck (17:00 8/31 update):



Also, an important Safety Tip: it is VITAL that folks DO NOT use our info for evacuation planning (this means you, Alan!). Our discussions here are with respect to a bunch of hardware, not feline or even human lives. We don't want to be wrong on either the high or low side, especially since being wrong on the high side has bad consequences for pricing, that's why I keep emphasizing this thing may not be as bad as the models are predicting because there are signs and portents the storm will not gain as much strength as forecast. If you are in an evacuation zone, get your pets, get your insurance paperwork, and GET OUT.
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A note on our modeling process: we take the official NHC track, the raw computer model tracks like GFDL, HWRF, LBAR, etc, and even run our own in-house fast cycle track/intensity models. These track and intensity estimates are feed to our main hurricane model (TAOS), which computes the wind, waves, storm surge, currents, etc. at each point in our database of over 50,000 elements in the GoM like rigs, platforms, pipelines, pumping stations, refineries, etc. We then have engineering
models for each type of infrastructure that calculates the damage and estimated down time for that element, as well as downstream impacts (eg if a pipeline is down, the upstream elements can't pump and the downstream elements don't get product).

Chuck has put together a dynamically updating page that will reflect the latest damage models/forecasts at this link: KAC/UCF models. We will be updating this thread with damage estimate and breaking news as this story unfolds, as well as post another story on why Hurricane Gustav or any exogenous supply event is potentially critical in a world with little slack in supply of high quality oil.

HPC 5 day rainfall estimates (12z 8/31)




PRODUCTION/INFRASTRUCTURE MAPS AND REFINERY INFORMATION

Here's a link to a really good map of oil refining/SPR storage facilities in respect to the path of Katrina (NB: OLD TRACK MAP!) and here is a listing of production and refining capability for the state of LA.

Just to give you a rough idea of where things are, the map above is a probability swath for Katrina (OLD TRACK MAP!) with the Thunder Horse platform as the red dot, and the other purple dot represents the Mad Dog development (100,000 bd); the Holstein development that produces at peak, around 100,000 bd of oil; and the Atlantis field that may have ramped up to around 200,000 bd in all. Put together these projects have the potential of around 650,000 bd, but as can be seen, they were sitting in an uncomfortable spot relative to the track of the Katrina.The white dot is where Port Fourchon is.  This is where the Louisiana Offshore Oil Port, or LOOP, is located. Rigzone pointed out that this is where the foreign tankers offload, Google and Terraserve maps you can see that the area is very low-lying.  One of the big concerns is that there will be sub-sea landslides or other ground movement that might affect the LOOP.  Were this to be disrupted, then foreign tankers would need to be diverted elsewhere, with the likely port being Houston.

Here is a really good link/map (from "Rod and Reel" no less) of the LA southern coastline showing all of the Submersible and Floater Gulf rigs.

We have accumulated resources from previous hurricans below, but we'd like to find updated materials if you know of them. Recent refinery maps, recent rig maps in the gulf, recent gas fields, SPR facilities, the Intercoastal Canal, pipeline stations and transfer points, etc., etc. Leave links in the comments please.

Also, here's the EIA's Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas Resources pages. They will also likely come in handy. Also, here's a link to the national page.

Here's another good resource for infrastructure maps and such. (scroll down a bit)

Here's a map from CNN with large and small refineries laid out. (though it is an old storm track)

Very detailed piece by RIGZONE on rigs and other infrastructure in the area. (thanks mw)

Here's a flash graphic of the oil refineries and rig maps from Hurricane Rita, it emphasizes Beaumont and Galveston's importance. Click on oil production in the tab. Note the many rigs on the east side of the storm that will get the brunt of the damage from the NE quad of the storm...hence the high long-term GOMEX oil production damage estimates below.

Here's a link to Rigzone's coverage of Gustav.

You want a detailed map? Well here's the probably the best MMS map I could find. Very detailed and lots of interesting stuff. (VERY big .pdf warning)

Also, Scott Wilmoth at Simmons & Co was kind enough to send us this map. The map below captures only deepwater infrastructure. For a complete list of deepwater development systems (includes operator, depth, location): http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/offshore/deepwatr/dpstruct.html

(Please deposit new relevant links, graphs, and comments in this new thread...we have updated the resources part of this post with new maps and some more old maps and articles from Katrina on the LOOP and Port Fourchon--important parts of the infrastructure, as we learned about three years ago. Please leave personal anecdotes and themes unrelated to hurricane for the other upcoming 'bigger picture' posts, as yesterdays information was difficult to upload for those on dial-up)

Here's a good live local feed where you can follow events:

http://www.wwltv.com/video/?nvid=57429&live=yes

One of the analysts on CNBC thinks that it is a very likely that the Continental Pipeline, which goes all the way to New York, will be forced to shut down, because of a lack of product supply, due to the number of refineries that are shut down.

You mean the Colonial Pipeline, not Continential.

So the NYMEX products delivery point is New York and NYMEX values are headed lower Thurs Fri & this morning. That sure is curious, itsn't it?

Research24 requested:

"I'd sure like to hear an explanation of how "the powers that be pound oil values down."

How, exactly, do they do that?

Kindly explain."

Here's a couple of links that explain how. They arent directly oil related but its the same game, different commodity. Gov groups that operate in secret are never self limiting. Ron Paul has made direct contentions along these lines.

http://www.gata.org/node/5074

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/dorsch/2007/0809.html

The big change of late in all futures markets is much more of the activity operates from offshore accounts. There's no accountability?

How do they do it? Massive NYMEX sell orders. They're active in stock futures. Why is it a stretch to think they're also active in metals and energies.

The system is heavily gamed.

Notice last Wed morning I predicted Gustav would hit cat 4, severely disrupt oil production and distribution and NYMEX markets would sell off just like they did with Katrina. Quote and link here:

http://downstreamventures.yuku.com/topic/2133?page=1

Thanks--hadn't had my coffee yet.

Could be a conspiracy. Or, could be normal market action. Looks like a typical "buy the rumor, sell the news" situation to me. The oil contract rose early last week on decreasing open interest. This was probably just short covering because of Gustav. Now that "we dodged a bullet" mentality is operational this morning the market falls back to mid-August lows, where it's testing the bottom.

I still don't believe that, because in the end the facts would rule.
However, whether it is government, or large hedge fund or whatever, energy markets are illiquid today, which means some millions in margin can really push them around. And they are down sharply. RBOB and Heating oil are down well below where they were BEFORE we even knew we had a hurricane...(and low gasoline inventories going into today???)

Notice last Wed morning I predicted Gustav would hit cat 4, severely disrupt oil production and distribution and NYMEX markets would sell off just like they did with Katrina. Quote and link here

Gustav weakened after Cuba and never regained its potential - we dodged a bullet, so it IS rational to have some energy sell-off short term, until actual damages are known. This is now 6th or 7th storm in a row when energy has sold off...It's lulling us into complacency....;-)

The DOE also announced this morning that they're ready to tap the SPR if needed, so that has a psychological effect. Before Gustav, we were in a bearish trend anyway. Gustav's storm surge is a lot less than Katrina's, so the selloff makes sense. It'll be interesting to see if the $110 price floor will be breached this week.

Louisiana Seeks Strategic Petroleum Reserve Release

Sept. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Louisiana asked the federal government to release fuel from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve in the aftermath of disruptions from Hurricane Gustav.

``We made the request this morning,'' Governor Bobby Jindal said at a press conference in Baton Rouge today. ``We know we are going to need it in the next 48 hours.''

About 85 percent of South Louisiana service stations don't have fuel in their tanks, the governor said. The state's refineries have three days of supplies in storage. The state will make it a priority to resupply stations after the storm, Jindal said.

Good afternoon, folks. Long time since I've posted, but like always, I remain obsessively addicted to TOD and always appreciate the perspective and insight this community is able to share. That being the case, I have a question for any who is up to aswer it: It is my understanding that the SPR contains crude oil only, not distilled products such as gasoline and diesel. That being the case, I don't quite understand how the release of that stock would be of any benefit in the next week or so, if indeed, it turns out that there has been significant refinery damage (not known at present). If the gasoline stations in southern Louisiana have to wait for shipments of refined products to arrive from other regions or countries, I would think they may be waiting a while. Am I wrong?

Dred

Nope, precisely right. :) See westexas' and memmel's comments in this thread.

But the mayor might not know that much. He may just think the SPR is there in case of shortages and there is a shortage in LA, therefore it is time to release it.

Actually he's the guvnur. My guess is he is ignorant of the facts. Of course I think it highly likely that some SPR oil will be released, assuming there is more working refinery capability than crude to supply them. I don't think anyone could argue that a short term release to cover a temprary weather related shortfall is a misuse of the SPR. But even if absolutely no physical damage happened, the shutdown, evacuate, evaluate, startup delays will mean product shortfalls are in the pipeline.

My read is a quid pro quo to GWB & Cheney.

LA Governor calls for SPR release just before election, (unlike evil, irresponsible Democrats who alos called for pre-election SPR releases). GWB wisely does so, in excess of any production shortfall.

Alan

The US will have to import more gasoline and diesel also of course because of high diesel prices world wide we where exporting a significant amount of diesel so our customers will also have to find alternative sources.

Now despite the current price situation for crude oil this new demand for imports of finished products is not provided by the Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny. In fact no mythical characters are generally involved in oil production and refining operations.
However SPR releases to refineries that are not in operation is as close to mythical as one can get.

Its not pleasant to look behind the curtain and realize how the world really works.

Care to speculate on what sort of dislocation this will case in shipping resources? Will there be enough tankers in Europe (or elsewhere) ready to re-deloy to the US market? What is the cost to send an empty tanker overseas to return to the US with refined products?

I've got no idea its going to be a rush to the spot market obviously.

In my opinion the big deal is the US diesel exports that are lost this is going to throw a serious money wrench in the works.

Given it looks like we probably will have more hurricanes in the gulf unless we get really lucky this event may be enough to cause a serious global diesel shortage. Given that diesel is critical for agriculture movement of goods and services etc etc we may be in for some short and long term blow back from this one hurricane. Further out it puts a lot of pressure on heating oil production just in time for winter.

In particular this could well be the event that sends Pakistan into serious turmoil. Attempts to subsidize diesel will have no effect since we now simply don't have enough diesel in the world right at harvest time.

Of course the US is myopic and only cares about gasoline prices.

Home heating oil is of course also distillate, like diesel. The evidence seems to be that people have been waiting to get their tanks filled. (In June, US distillate consumption was down 9.7% from a year ago, according to EIA data). It seems like this disruption is going to make it more difficult to find enough home heating oil to fill all of the tanks.

Is it clear that people are "waiting" rather than just not needing it due to a warm winter (07-08) or more frugal use due to hgher prices last winter? It seems that both our winter and our summer have been milder this year than most (so. cal.), although we don't have a lot to do with heating oil in this part of the world..

-d

Its not pleasant to look behind the curtain and realize how the world really works.

How the world works and how the markets work can be completely different ;).

That being said, I went long today after the selloff.

Your argument for manipulation holds up only if one accepts the notion that futures controls real oil price. That notion has been disproven time and time again, including in the latest inter-agency task force investigation which concluded that they do not.
You may note that there is a $4.50 spread today between futures and WTI.

$9 billion of oil is traded every day and that makes the market a wee bit too large and costly for any entity to manipulate. And since many people assert that evil governments manipulate all markets, that would suggest a massive gov't slush fund for the sole purpose of manipulating so many markets.

It is almost amusing to suggest that paper speculators can control the price that Saudi and Russia sell their oil for. If they thought there was downward manipulation they merely have to hold to their asking price and the market would turn within a day or two. If anyone CAN manipulate the price, those two producers can, and they certainly wouldn't want to do it downward.

No it is not too large.

The large banks set the price for just about everything. That is why there is now a reported shortage of precious metals and the price keeps falling. Of course sooner or later it is going to backfire, but I think the large banks will profit from that as well. They will just go long at the right moment.

http://silveraxis.com/todayinsilver/

"Total Commodity and Equity Futures & Forwards Notional Amount: $308.1 billion (from FDIC Statistics report — this is the closest breakdown for commodities)

COMMODITIES (including off-exchange forward contracts):
(1) JP Morgan Chase Bank, National Association: $126.3 billion (futures only: $74.5 billion)
(2) HSBC Bank USA, National Association: $36.2 billion (futures only: $4.5 billion)
(3) Citibank, N.A.: $16.8 billion (futures only: $15.1 billion)
(4) Bank of America, National Association: $12.6 billion (futures only: $12.2 billion)
(5) Wachovia Bank, National Association: $12.2 billion (futures only: $12.2 billion)
(6) Bank of Oklahoma, National Association: $0.3 billion (futures only: $0.3 billion)
(7) Other: $0.1 billion
TOTAL COMMODITIES: $204.5 billion (futures only: $118.8 billion)"

RE precious metals market manipulation.

I find Mish Shedlock's take on this pretty convincing. I've been reading various gold & silver bugs bloviate for years about this. I think they are full of it.

Besides, the gold and silver markets are tiny compared to the crude oil markets. Apple to Oranges.

It is almost amusing to suggest that paper speculators can control the price that Saudi and Russia sell their oil for. If they thought there was downward manipulation they merely have to hold to their asking price and the market would turn within a day or two. If anyone CAN manipulate the price, those two producers can

Almost correct but actually only one is needed to manipulate prices.

and they certainly wouldn't want to do it downward.

Iran

Direction has changed and Gustav is moving along the coast rather than going ashore. Almost like it's targeting the oil infrastructure.

U.S. Refineries, Offshore Output Shut by Hurricane

(Bloomberg) -- At least eight refineries across the U.S. Gulf Coast and almost all offshore oil output have been shut as companies including Valero Energy Corp.,ConocoPhillips and Exxon Mobil Corp. prepare for Hurricane Gustav's arrival.

About 10 percent of U.S. oil-refining capacity is off line, and five sites are operating at reduced rates. More than 96 percent of offshore oil output and 82 percent of gas production is shut, the U.S. Minerals Management Service said.


Mexico crude export port closed for Gustav -govt

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - One of Mexico's three main oil export ports in the Gulf of Mexico, Cayo Arcas, was closed on Sunday because of bad weather stemming from Hurricane Gustav, the communications and transport ministry said.

I think refiners learned their lesson about panicking and buying on parabolic price rockets. Were I a buyer, I'd sit tight and wait to see how things develop before tossing hundreds of millions up the cliff. I'd probably rather reduce my output than toss those dollars away. In other words, they learned a lesson they had forgotten long ago since its been thirty years since the last parabolic price increase.

The speculating banks and hedge funds no longer have the money (borrowed)to do what they did previously, since most of them took a big bath on their speculations.

A good site to follow progress of current hurricanes is: http://www.stormpulse.com/.
Maybe most people know about it but just in case not I am posting it. It gives hourly updates of eye location, forecast wind speeds, expected tracking, etc. Hope this is useful to someone.

I have spoken to Alan Drake as of 9:10 CDT and he reports a dangerous crisis in New Orleans. High winds interrupted production activities this morning and 80% of daily caffeine supplies are now shut in. Dropping below the caffeine MOL has produced dangerous synergies that have left him wandering the neighborhood, instant coffee packet in hand, to see who stayed that has a gas powered stove.

The weather is cooperating nicely with this endeavor, as they've had half an inch of rain and a lot less wind than expected, despite the power outage. They expect some flooding but the dry air and shear aloft have blunted what could have been a real mess of a storm.

I am VERY happy to report that both the neighborhood Frenchman and Scot shared their excellent coffee with me.

I put on coffee as I got onto the computer @ 6:12 or so. Only a quarter cup had dripped (which I promptly drank) with the residual heat before the power outage.

Picture me, LED flashlight in hand, anxiously waiting for the LAST drop of coffee to drip down.

New Orleans roasts and packages about 25% of the US coffee supply. Restarting these facilities was a crisis priority after Katrina, as inventories were drawn down and other roasters ramped up production.

Coffee, my safe, cheap, legal and effective drug of choice !

Best Hopes,

Alan

Coffee, my safe, cheap, legal and effective drug of choice !

Second only to the internet!
Glad you are safe Alan.

Best hopes for no more New Orleans/LOOP threatening hurricanes..(ruined my weekend too...;-)

AlanfromBigEasy:

I am confused.

My understanding was that evacuation was MANDATORY (see here http://www.cityofno.com/pg-1-264.aspx).

Is my understanding incorrect?

If not, then please explain why you felt that you had the choice of staying behind while 100s of thousands of others had to leave everything else behind.

Your choice of staying is upsetting.

It is decisions like yours (to stay in New Orleans even though an evacuation was ordered), that causes people to get into dire trouble and endanger their own lives as well as the lives of others (when others have to come in and save them). How many rescue workers, firemen, policemen, etc. have died in the line of duty to save another person that made a similar decision as yours?

Your decision also emboldens others to make a similar decision the next time a hurricane rolls through New Orleans (which might be sooner than we expect). People will hear that others stayed behind and think that they should do it next time (since there were no repercussions). But the next time might not be as forgiving.

If I was mayor or governor of your area, I would have the National Guard search out New Orleans over the next few days, and throw anyone they find in jail and make an example of them for the next time.

I am glad to see that you are alive and well, but decisions like the one you made are foolish - plain and simple.

The order was mandatory but NOT compulsory and there is a difference.. As was clearly explained multiple times on local news media, the cities obligation to provide a number of services was suspended by declaring mandatory evacuation. But you have a continued right to occupy your property

Mandatory evacuation affects the government more than people. It removes several legal obligations from the government and imposes others.

Absent martial law, you have a continued right to occupy your property.

As explained beforehand, there is a 24 hour curfew in Jefferson Parish and dusk to dawn in Orleans Parish.

If ANY action is preventing future evacuations, it is the Governor and Mayor preventing re-entry into the city this morning. There is no good reason to keep people out if they accept the conditions as is.

All prior evacuations except for Katrina have allowed immediate re-entry.

Your attitude is one of complete and unrestrained governmental control of private persons. The Bill of Rights was written explicitly to control those urges to control others.

Alan

If ANY action is preventing future evacuations, it is the Governor and Mayor preventing re-entry into the city this morning. There is no good reason to keep people out if they accept the conditions as is.

Nagin pointed out last night that water levels were still rising in many locations (including the lake) which is why they were shutting canal gates and while they didn't expect major failures it would be silly to allow people back until water levels started dropping.

The lake levels are dropping this morning. No exact #s, but "several inches". The lake front levees for Orleans Parish were never under stress (the Corps was anxious to test their new pump system so they got permission to operate at 3.7' although the minimum start was supposed to be 4', I am OK with an operational test under minimal conditions).

Design is in excess of a dozen feet, with hurricane force winds driving waves.

Should we evacuate New Orleans every spring when the Mississippi River rises 15 feet or more ?

Gustav was not even close to a real stress test.

Lake levels as a reason to stall re-entry this morning ? Absurd !

Alan

So, nobody should have evacuated? It was all a mistake?

The reality is that 9 out of 10 evacuations are unnecessary, and accepted as such. Which is why quick re-entry is necessary for "the next time".

And yes, in retrospective, there should have been no mass evacuation of Orleans Parish (parts of Washington DC lived without electricity for weeks after a hurricane there). Voluntary yes. Unfortunately, the data was not available till 3 PM the day before landfall (and even then it was a not a consensus). Bureaucratic inertia was impossible to stop at that time.

IMO, the appropriate response is "We will not stop you from coming back, but we strongly urge you to stay where you are for another couple of days till we get the power back on, businesses re-opened and everything back to normal. This especially applies to families with children. The curfew will continue for a couple more nights."

BTW, I got the