Presidential Energy Debate Fact Check #1: Is Offshore Drilling the Answer?

Senators Obama and McCain are both aware that energy is central to Americas future. However, they differ on the details, and since confidence and authority can sway peoples beliefs, it is important, as always, to 'check the facts'. In last nights debate, Obama, while pointing out the US holds 3% of world oil reserves but uses 25% of world oil production said that we need to 'change the way we view energy in our lives' (to me implying that becoming energy independent is unlikely). In contrast, while McCain agreed on 'ridding ourselves of dependence on foreign oil', his discussion of the "Drill Here Drill Now" strategy implied that such a plan would achieve both lower prices and more energy independence. How much of the energy debate issues are 'politics' vs. facts?

Below the fold is a guest commentary by Professor Cutler Cleveland, providing a needed 'fact-check' on recent political claims being made on offshore drilling.




FACT CHECK

In the run-up to the election, this is the first in a short series of brief fact-checking exercises regarding the major energy issues in the campaign.

Senators McCain and Obama have expressed support for increased offshore oil drilling as part of their respective plans for energy. Senator McCain specifically suggests that opening offshore waters in the U.S. to oil exploration will (a) significantly increase domestic production, and (2) put downward pressure on oil prices.

Is this true? The short answer is no.

The federal government controls access to the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS), which refers to the submerged lands under the ocean farther than about 3.3 miles from the coast (about 10 miles from Texas and the Gulf coast of Florida). Land closer than that is under state jurisdiction; land beyond about 230 miles is in international water. Beginning in 1982, Congress passed and has subsequently renewed moratoria on the leasing of federal land off the coast of all states except Texas, Louisiana and parts of Alaska. All existing moratoria on leasing in the OCS will expire in 2012. Debate now centers on whether or not to renew the moratoria.

The Minerals Management Service (MMS) of the U.S. Department of Interior estimates that there are about 86 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil in the federal Outer Continental Shelf; the Lower 48 OCS accounts for about 59 billion barrels. By way of comparison, U.S proved reserves of oil are about 21 billion barrels.

The Energy Information Administration (EIA) of the U.S. Department of Energy used the MMS data to assess what impact a lifting of the ban in 2012 for the Lower 48 OCS would have on U.S. oil production. Basically, the EIA estimated what fraction of the technically recoverable oil would be economical to recover, and how fast it could be produced after 2012. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. The EIA found that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf of Mexico regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil production or prices before 2030. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in EIA's "no access" reference case.

The effect of that quantity of oil on the price of oil would be indiscernible. Oil prices are determined on the international market, and the addition of about 0.16 million barrels per day from the OCS in 2030 to total world oil production would have no significant impact on oil market fundamentals. The world consumed about 86 million barrels per day in 2007, and will consume about 112 million barrels per day in 2030, according to EIA forecasts.

Adding the Alaska OCS to the mix would not appreciably alter this conclusion, as that oil would be even more costly and in terms of dollars and time compared to Lower 48 OCS resources.

Thus, lifting the ban on offshore drilling will not significantly increase domestic production, nor will it put downward pressure on oil prices.

There may be other arguments for offshore drilling, such as domestic job creation and tax revenue, improved balance of payments, among others. But those are subjects for another analysis….

Professor Cutler Cleveland
Boston University
10/08/2008

Sources:
--Energy Information Administration, Impacts of Increased Access to Oil and Natural Gas Resources in the Lower 48 Federal Outer Continental Shelf, Annual Energy Review 2007.
--Minerals Management Service, Assessment of Undiscovered Technically Recoverable Oil and Gas Resources of the Nation’s Outer Continental Shelf, 2006.

Some of Dr. Clevelands previous work posted on theoildrum:

On Energy Transitions Past and Future - Cutler Cleveland
Ten Fundamental Principles of Net Energy Analysis - Cutler Cleveland
Energy Return from Wind - Cutler Cleveland and Ida Kubiszewski

McCain can say whatever he wants...because even if he wins, he's a 1 term president. By 2012, they'll just be getting the off shore rigs to start the process of drilling. Sadly, there are many North Americans that are mis-informed about the energy industry (I am in the oil industry).

Obama has a much smarter idea and I hope he'll work with Boone Pickens. We need to find alternative energy sources for transportation, heating & electrical generation...and save our oil for the production of plastics & other such products that can be recycled. 100 years from now, they'll still have some oil production happening....

As for drilling ANWAR, it's just a bad idea to begin with. Drilling ANWAR would be more expensive than mining the Oil sands in Canada (where I live) and the perpetual high cost of oil required to drill ANWAR would simply push consumers to alternative choices.

Forgive me..but McCain has his head in his ass.

"Forgive me..but McCain has his head in his ass."

Now that's a tad harsh, don'tcha think? How about, "McCain, like many politicians, is in the pocket of Big Oil. And even if he weren't, it would not change the fact that most American voters are in total, willful denial about Peak Oil. Any attempt to explain the futility of offshore drilling (or limits to growth) will inevitably be met with mass hostility and defeat at the ballot box."

...now there's another take on P&A. The GOP had better get a BOP on this election because the US voter is beginning to suspect that something's not entirely right in Rightland.

The GOP had better get a BOP...

Are you saying their platform is submersible?

I think he is suggesting the GOP may want to close the shear rams PDQ to keep the electoral overpressure from overwhelming the platform.

My thinking is that what the US needs today is a small blow out. Would do the electorate a world of good. As you watch your drill string sail off into the next county over you form a deep appreciation of how short and sweet life truly is, you relearn the true value of good neighbors and team members, you understand the folly of not paying close attention to what task you are performing.

Shut her in? Hell no! Get runnin boys. We gonna let her rip!!

But then I never was a good company man.

A FPSO adrift in shallow and dangerous water in search of its template. No telling what kind of pressure problems result from a poor cement job? This is like watching technicians from another country, which may or may not have your engineering standards, perform tricky operations on your semi in another language. It's a miracle more things don't go wrong. If we lurch into a "drill baby drill" mode, we'll be pulling tubes out of junkyards and recycling cement, let alone cementheads, by the time it's over. Why drill when you can buy Highpine for its 2008 cashflow?

"like many politicians, is in the pocket of Big Oil" not only politicians, here's from www.wecansolveit.org

"...
Did you notice the ads after last night's presidential debate?
ABC had Chevron. CBS had Exxon. CNN had the coal lobby. But you know what happened last week? ABC refused to run our Repower America ad -- the ad that takes on this same oil and coal lobby.
..."

They're trying to get 100,000 public comments to ABC before 20/20's next airing. If you want to help them go to

http://www.wecansolveit.org/ABC

TonyW,

Thanks for the link. I'm there.

I usually flip between CNN and CNBC with morning coffee before I go to work. Over the last several weeks I've sent several negative emails to CNN about their heavy placement of energy adds in the morning. It is stunning...oil to coal to NG and back for more. And of course they are all explicitly so very concerned about the environment. I always get their polite auto reply thanking me for the feedback with assurance that tehy read 'em all. If it was a concern before, it has become blatantly obvious that objectivity is long gone from the MSM with regard to energy issues...and, by inference, all other issues.

Shouldn't that be: Wecantsolveit.org ?

Alternatives: Ignoranceisbliss.org, We'reindenial.org, We'retoostupid.org, Welikerealitytv.org

Harm:

The political types do need to let society know about Peak Oil..but do it in a way that's not seen as shrill or too far to the Green side.

Boone Pickens has did an excellent job selling his wind generation plan to the public by NOT selling it as a "Green" plan. Boone doesn't sell the "fear". He doesn't talk about GHG. He doesn't talk about Peak Oil & it's ramifications on the economy. Pickens sells his "Green" plan as a path to American Energy independence. Yet, his wind power plan isn't really different than what Greenpeace or the Sierra club has been talking about. It's all in his execution.

McCain and Obama could come forth with a plan along these lines, selling it as "energy independence". A politician that could sell this idea could probably ask Americans to pay a little more to take the country down the path to energy independence. You can't do that by saying "drill drill drill".

Could be McCain be taking a hit for the party? I look at how poorly he and Palin do and wonder is this intentional to get a Democrat in office when it really gets bad in the hopes of them taking the fall for "hovervilles". Bush has been soo bad and the next 4 years will not be pretty so...??
Why, why would you want the job or perhaps it is better that someone else gets it. This of course implies some Putin like thinking which is a lot of stretch for the republican party. I wish Palin was in just for the comedy of it all. To bad we are so screwed.

It's a new century. Hoovervilles are now Shruburbs.

Speaking of proctological data mining! On which
board of directors of big oil are you advising? The only way to find out if drilling in ANWAR is economical or not is to allow exploration and put up blocks of land for lease. It would also help if you streamlined the permitting and pipelines necessary as was done for previous North shore development. Not developing the North Shore is simply foolish. Doesn't it strike you as odd that the US is the only country in the world that refuses to develop all its petroleum resources?

A far as Pickens is concerned I suggest you look up the definition of "rent seeking." Do you think Boone would continue without subsidies?

How about letting the market decide which way to go? Last time I looked it was the wisdom of congress to demand affordable housing, decline additional oversight of Fannie & Freddie, and insisted that they were doing just fine. I'll put my faith in the market before I'll leave those decisions to the expertise of "someone in the oil industry" or congress.

By the way, the market would and can sort out whether the best use of petroleum would be for plastics or whatever and if you want to "save" ANWAR for the future you need to do a couple of things first.

Allow exploratory drilling, permitting, and pipelines. As of now none of those thing are legal. Saving ANWAR for the future presupposes that it can be leased, shot, and allow exploratory wells and the means to transport the oil.
One final question if ANWAR is more expensive Canada's tar sands why is it worth saving?

The correct acronym is ANWR, which stands for "Arctic National Wildlife Refuge". Is there some alternate acronym that I am not aware of, or this this indicative of your level of knowledge in this area?

I agree with you that exploratory drilling is a logical step, although I feel that it will likely be disappointing.

However...

Last time I looked it was the wisdom of congress to ... decline additional oversight of Fannie & Freddie.... I'll put my faith in the market

So, Congress screwed up by allowing lending houses to run their businesses with little regulation, and yet you're advocating allocating petroleum reserves by way of little regulation?

The idea of allowing the market to decide what the best uses are for petroleum reserves only works if the true costs and benefits are accurately measured. The term negative externality comes to mind. Though I will not attribute this line of thinking to you, the fact that we have presidential candidates suggesting that we can achieve energy independence by drilling more on domestic lands, tells me that our policy makers are not accurately weighing the true costs and benefits.

And I am not sure about the specific costs of producing oil in ANWR vs tar sands from Canada, but in general, the price of oil is likely to rise, and thus in the future, there will be a time either when it will be worth it to drill in expensive places (assuming we have the capability to; find Gail the Actuary's write up on off shore drilling), or alternatives will be cheaper. However, there is a whole heck of a lot of underlying assumptions going into the phrase "or alternatives will be cheaper".

As a matter of fact I do know what ANWR stands for and my inability to master spellings (Spelling in general.) of acronyms often invites the cute ad hominen remark such as yours.

You make my point with the remark, "I agree with you that exploratory drilling is a logical step, although I feel that it will likely be disappointing."

It is more than logical, it is necessary if you want to "save" the oil in ANWR for the future for whatever reason. As far as whether or not it will be disappointing I could care less. Let big oil spend their money and find out.

I should have never used government's involvement in housing as an example. It is very complex and convoluted to say the least. My point is the government often acts as an obstacle to the development of energy development and resources rather than an aide. I believe it is rather obvious that government has been an obstacle to offshore drilling and development of ANWR, don't you?

"The idea of allowing the market to decide what the best uses are for petroleum reserves only works if the true costs and benefits are accurately measured."

Markets do this daily and have been doing so for quite some time. One only has to compare the success of market economies vs the economies of the Soviet Union, Mao's China, Cuba, to name a few. In general letting governments decide what is essential and how much of it we need is disastrous. Examples abound in the heyday of the Soviet Union and today's Cuba.

The other problem is the choice of the word "true costs and benefits." Something tells me reasonable men can disagree mightily what those might be, right?

Personally, I pay no attention to what the presidential candidates say about these matters as they tend to say whatever they believe they have to say, not say, evade, or just flat out lie to get elected.

"I agree with you that exploratory drilling is a logical step..."

who is going to pay for this exploratory drilling ? i seriously doubt xom is interested in drilling anything to save for future generations(spoken as an xom stockholder).

Why don't we wait for the oil companies to explore all the land they have already leased before opening up ANWR and OCS? These unexplored areas are thousands of times larger than ANWR and yet the lobbyists and pundits keep screaming that we are not allowing oil companies to provide us with the oil we claim we need. The ANWR debate is not about oil. It is about eliminating all environmental protections we have enacted over the last 40 years.

"Markets do this daily and have been doing so for quite some time."
Apparently you're not aware of how the "Markets" are behaving lately.

Drilling anywhere in the far north has it's own challenges. Add in the off shore factor & you're really looking at oil prices over 100 bucks a bucket to make any money. Does it make any sense to spend billions on infrastructure to pull out a few billion barrels of oil? There are huge debates over "proven" reserves in the far north...and a whole lot of dry holes have been drilled up there.

Drilling ANWR will cost billions. In the overall scheme of things, it will do little to nothing to alleviate American's energy crisis. If you want to chase pipe dreams, then spend your money on the Bakken formation. There is crude there, it's just hard to get to..but horizontal drilling in Bakken is going to be cheaper than drilling of the coast of Alaska

As for Pickens..Boone's a vet of the business. He built Mesa Petroleum..and yes, some of his points of view are because he's in nat gas. But so what? He's the ONLY person out there that's presented a reasonable plan to wean America off foreign oil. You've got 25 billion barrels in reserve right now, maybe another 50 if you take all the OCS reserves into consideration. Assuming you can drill & reach all of that.

If you want my opinion....if America is so paranoid about it's energy future, rather than spend billions drilling ANWR, it should spend billions on Oil sands extraction. Athabasca has nearly 2 TRILLION barrels of bitumen/heavy oil up there. We can get to 180 billion. If you can find ways to reach the rest of it, American can continue to be an energy pig long after we're all dead.

McCain..still has his head in his ass.

The arctic areas under consideration for drilling are in some of the most ecologically sensitive areas in the world. The low temperatures nearly guarantee that any mistakes, spills for example, would take eons for nature to correct. This is so because the microorganisms that would do the correction work do so in slow motion because of low environmental temperatures. Yes, even the simplest forms of life are regulated by the chemical-thermodynamic relationship of reaction rates vs temperature.

And yes the arctic regions are important breeding regions for much sea life. These reasons alone are sufficient to put off attempted exploitation of this area. Especially when even the EIA (who is well known for pie in the sky optimism) projects little impact on overall contribution to overall oil independence and lower fuel prices.

As a minimum, leave these areas alone now. Let future generations make the decisions regarding development of these regions. Future generations are more likely to understand the trade offs regarding development of these fragile regions. The present generation seems to be interested only in the immediate impact on their wasteful life style. It only cares about paying a few pennies less for fuel so they can keep their gas-guzzling, environmentally destructive vehicles in operation for a few more years.

... any mistakes, spills for example, would take eons for nature to correct.

Let's look at the brighter side of doom. We are not making much progress on stopping global warming. During the next few centuries ANWR will be warming rapidly and will 'recover' to an entirely new 'stable' ecological system. The warmer environment will speed this 'recovery'.

"...Not developing the North Shore is simply foolish...."

Er -- no Puhkawn. Actually, it's a piece of long-term, far-seeing, global wisdom for which sombunall (Robert Anton Wilson's affable category) of USAmericans are not currently ready, because of the infantilising and extreme, delusional confusion that they suffer after decades of being propagandised by the hyper-rich gangsters-in-charge (gic) ruling 'elites' and their faithful stenographer-serfs in the commercial corporate media and commercialised, fanatically-indoctrinated academe.

The best thing to do with as much as possible of the sequestered fossil hydrocarbons still deep underground is to leave them there, and develop a different, ecologically-benign energy infrastructure, which includes a lot of conservation and voluntary demand reduction. As TODers know, we are beginning the involuntary kind right now, and for the foreseeable future.

However, promoting the ideas of 'leave it underground' and 'less is better' may not be such a loser with the ordinary US common citizens, once you take on, defeat, and depose from power your gics. No small task, I admit, but necessary if the US is going to survive at all in anything resembling its current form.

I follow your great and famous USAmerican Noam Chomsky a good deal. And one of the multitude of inisights that I've picked up from Noam is that the US commons are consistently well to the left of the 'elites' -- the gics and their steno-serfs -- in persistently-held opinions, if you find out what they really think, rather than what the media-serfs SAY they think, by the simple expedient of nerding steadily through the opinion-poll findings. Noam can stand to do that, and his discoveries are striking.

Given that small aforementioned precondition -- revolution in the US -- you shouldn't have too much difficulty aligning a lot of the citizens with these supposedly unsellable ideas: conservation; renewable, benign energy; a lot less energy; comprehensive defence of the absolutely vital, all-life-sustaining wilderness; and on.

You folks need that revolution. According to Naomi Wolf, the last stages of the ongoing fascistic coup-d'etat in the US, which began around the turn of this century, were set going at the beginning of this month. The choice now seems to be between what Naomi and friends are calling for: awakened common citizens rising up (as in the War of Independence against our English gics of that time), arresting these current US gic criminals who are destroying your republic and its constitution -- which has indeed been one of the great hopes of the world -- or just watching passively on TV as the coup is completed. Not exactly what your ancestors of two centuries back would have done, is it?

Without that precondition, USAmerica is going down. Further, harder, and for longer than the SU went down at the end of the 1980s.

I have a sister-in-law living in New England, and my partner and I are doing everything we can to get her out of the US, and back to her mum's house in Eire, or even just here to Britain, before the S which in now HTF in USAmerica actually buries it completely. You folks really need that revolution. And you absolutely don't need anything as utterly futile and destructive as more -- useless -- drilling, anywhere.

Rhisiart Gwilym; Wow, great rant. Agree with all of it. Just one little correction. The revolution won't be televised. Seems the revolutionaries are broke and the corporate sponsors wouldnt chip in. Even if there was funds to run commercials to pay the networks to air the revolution, the networks have censors, something about "Only corporate shock & awe violence" is allowed to air in prime time!
I know because I wanted to hawk cheap plastic worthless crap in an info-mercial. I paid for the singers, writters, cheezy jingle, the props, the 1-800 number, and the whole she-bang. Now I'am broke waiting under a bridge for the citizen militia to come over the hill and save the day.

PS; I love Chomsky and Naomi, also Amy Goodman, Tariq Ali, and a slew of others.

I suppose you also believe that 'the total footprint for drilling in ANWR would be the equivalent of a postage stamp on a football field'?

As for drilling ANWAR, it's just a bad idea to begin with. Drilling ANWAR would be more expensive than mining the Oil sands in Canada (where I live) and the perpetual high cost of oil required to drill ANWAR would simply push consumers to alternative choices.

If drilling in ANWAR is a bad idea then what exacting is the mining of tar sands to produce oil?! Would it be wrong to say they are using perfectly good natural gas to get an almost oil like product? Would it be wrong to say to say they are creating an environmentally toxic lake whose cost to clean up has yet to be determined? Is that cost even part of anyone's EROI calculations? Will that mess be cleaned up using Canadian taxpayer money? Will any of them be miffed when they realize that all that pollution stays in place while most of the oil went south of the border while they begin to shiver through winters without natural gas?

You should see the new TV ad for Senator Saxby Chambliss from Georgia.
He said, "There is more oil in the US than in Saudi Arabia!"
What planet is he on? Last time I checked, we did not have near the oil of Saudi,
however, Saxby is probably counting on the shale......
He needs to check on the cost of recovery for shale and compare to crude.
By the time we drill the OCS or ANWR, the World will be in terminal decline anyway.
What little new oil we do get here in the US will go to the elite,
and the Investment bankers will package it in crazy derivatives of some sort.

Offshore and ANWR won't do very much for us. At best they might provide a very small amount of transitional help.

The thing is, though, that there is a limited window of opportunity to go after these resources, and then they will be out of reach for all practical purposes.

It is my understanding that you can't just let the Alaska pipeline sit there empty for years, and then start it up again when we finally decide that we are ready to get whatever is available in ANWR. We've got to use that capacity or lose it, and when it is gone, it will be hugely expensive to rebuild it -- probably too expensive. We're better off getting what we can out of ANWR while we can.

Similar types of considerations apply to offshore drilling. Right now, we've got the equipment, know-how, and infrastructure for it. Wait until that is all shut down, and bringing it up again to go after what is left will be almost impossible.

I am under no illusion that drilling will do very much for us. But I do thend to favor getting what we can while the getting is halfway good.

Come on WNC,

Do you really think we'd use it to stockpile medical tubing or horde fuel for emergency responders? We're talking about an extension of the SUV era. I wish it weren't so but realistically any increase in domestic production will be used to support a deadend lifestyle.

Rip the bandaid.

Use less oil.

aaron

You're right about the SUVs. But... I have horses. They will haul logs for me. I cuddle them, I comb them, and we talk about life. They do not cut down trees, or make the branches into firewood. The gas powered chainsaw does that. They will not saw the logs into boards for me. The gasoline powered sawmill does that. They will haul a wagon load of dirt. The diesel powered tractor will load the wagon. Or just do the whole job. I need sawed lumber to build my farm. I own the trees. There's one water powered sawmill left in New Hampshire... Or, I own a sawmill that will cut 1000 sq ft (board feet is not relevant) for a gallon of gas. No horses, no waterpower, on my land.

I have to buy hay. It's much cheaper in 660 lb (300 kg) round bales. The horses can pull this on a sled or wagon. The tractor can put it on the wagon, or deliver it itself.

At ten bucks a gallon, I'll drive my horses into town. They'll carry two cords of firewood to buy the petroleum for the chainsaw, the tractor and the sawmill.

The tractor, the chainsaw and the sawmill. Drill, baby, drill.

I am curious as to the make and model of your saw mill. I ask because I have worked in an antique saw mill many years ago, for several years. It was a Frick ott #2 as I recall. Counting backwards in 1/4 increments is a sawyers bane. Belt driven from the PTO of a diesel engine, 56 inch saw blade, forget how many teeth. Heres some pics of the actual saw mill.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/libsys/Album3_June2007/EdsSawmill...

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/libsys/Album3_June2007/EdsSawmill...

Heres a bunch of pics of it, towards the bottom of the list

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i11.photobucket.com/albums...

It's a five year old SMG bandmill. If it wasn't so much fun I'd likely haul the logs 10 miles up the road to a "real" mill and trade for the cutting.

You just confirmed, in hands-on terms, how oil and gas blows everything else away as far as portable energy is concerned. Companionship is another matter. Replacing it in volume is almost impossible to conceive.

It is such a great power source that using it irresponsibly is, well, irresponsible. The generational time frame for this emergency: The Grandchildren of the Boomers.

Grandad, tell us how you used to drive your truck ten miles for a six pack...tell us again how you guys used up all the oil. We love to hear that story. It explains lots of things.

Use less, baby, use less.

Oh, I agree, we do need to get very serious about energy efficiency and ramping up renewables immediately. That is the main event as far as I am concerned.

Unfortunately, it all takes a lot of time and a lot of money. In the meantime, we've got an economy - an entire civilization - built around the use of massive amounts of oil. You can't change that overnight, much as we all would like to. We've got to be thinking of transitional strategies.

To the extent that we can extract and use as much of our own domestic supplies as possible, we can avoid importing quite so much oil; the money saved could then be dedicated to energy efficiency and renewable energy projects.

There are two big flies in the ointment, of course: 1) there is no guarantee that the additional domestic supplies will substitute for imports, they might just increase total consumption (which leaves us worse off); and 2) there is no guarantee that the money saved will actually be invested in energy efficiency and renewables (in the current environment, probably not). However, to be fair these problems are not unique just to this issue. Will investments in energy efficiency really reduce our oil consumption, or just leave more to be used in other ways? Will investments in renewables really substitute for oil, or just add to total energy produced and consumed? This is a bigger issue that must be addressed.

"1) there is no guarantee that the additional domestic supplies will substitute for imports, they might just increase total consumption"

That is what will happen. Every oil that is extracted can only get consumed or go to some reserve. Since there isn't a lot of reservatories, it will get consumed.

But that is not a problem, extra oil will generate extra wealth, that can be invested on renewables.

"2) there is no guarantee that the money saved will actually be invested in energy efficiency and renewables"

That is what you have to ensure, and where you have to focus your political power. Really, you shouldn't be concerned about #1 at all.

Obama makes an occasional nod in the direction of reality, which puts him ahead of his opponent. But he too fosters the illusion that with investment in alternatives we can eventually somehow resume partying. www.chrismartenson.com now has a good chapter in his Crash Course refuting that one.

Some of the renewables will play a role in the future, but cannot allow us to continue anyway near the way we have been going. The whole idea that we can grow our way out of the present crisis is grossly misleading. In the 30s, yes. There was still a resource future to mortgage. Not this time. Retrench or die.

The biggest problem with offshore drilling is that it sustains the illusion of doing something, and diverts resources from what ought and must be done. There is SO MUCH waste in our way of life that very modest investments could save far more energy than any amount of drilling anywhere (these days), and could save it soon, not 10 or 15 years from now.

Well said Dave.

Whether either candidate agrees with what you say is unknown. What is known is whichever one verbalized it would lose to the one who didn't. One can hope that once elected, real actions will diverge from campaign speak. In the end we need a new political party. But the public needs facts to match with leaders words - right now the media and 'culture' suggest that energy, water, (and credit), are infinite. That perception is about to change.