Exxon, and the Implications of 8%

Most of us thinking about peak oil have been aware for some time that the central uncertainty is the decline rate on fields in production (FIP). This dramatically affects when one believes peak will be, and seems to be the main difference between more pessimistic projections such as Chris Skrebowski's , and CERA's. It's also critically important in assessing the economic impact, since the faster total production declines, the harder it will be for the economy to adjust, and as we go further and further past peak, the fewer new projects there will be to add to the declining bulk of production.

In the past, peak oil projections have used fairly low decline rates for FIP - 3%-6%. There are now several pieces of evidence that the FIP decline rate might be more like 8%. Adding that to Chris Skrebowski's list of new projects makes for a very rough ride:

Production projection with 2005 ODAC Megaprojects plus various average decline rates of existing fields and the supply required to maintain "business as usual".

As noted at the recent ASPO-USA conference, Andrew Gould, the CEO of big oil services firm Schlumberger, has been saying for a few months that:
...the industry is dealing with a phenomenon that is exaggerated by the lack of investment over the past 18 years. This phenomenon is the decline rate for the older reservoirs that form the backbone of the world’s oil production, both in and out of OPEC. An accurate average decline rate is hard to estimate, but an overall figure of 8% is not an unreasonable assumption. The maintenance required to slow the rate of decline, and increase the overall recovery, is a key element of the supply picture going forward.
He also notes what has been extensively discussed here at TOD:
Finally, the oil service industry is not in particularly good shape to meet the needs of a rapid worldwide ramp up in activity. A lot of the rig fleet, and much of the equipment are old. Very little spare capacity exists. This combination will compromise the service response, but the most disturbing shortage by far is the lack of specialized E&P professionals. A lot of skilled people have either been laid off, or have retired from the industry in the last 18 years. This shortage is as acute on the service side as it is on that of the operators. Training their replacements takes time, and there is already a great deal of evidence to suggest that the industry is fighting over the core of professionals that remain.
It's also been noted by the EIA that Saudi fields are declining by 5%-12%, and that Iran's fields are declining by 8%-13%. So OPEC countries appear to generally fit what Andrew Gould is talking about.

Today, I got email from Kyle Swanson, a Professor of Mathematics and Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Kyle looked into what would happen if one did a MegaProjects style analysis on Exxon circa 2001. (Exxon being the most optimistic of the big oil companies - eg. the one not yet running ad campaigns asking the public for help in producing enough oil). Kyle's conclusion:

Looking over Exxon's annual reports for the past 5 years, I think that a reasonable case can be made that Exxon's internal liquid decline rate is actually about 10%.
I didn't quite do it the same way as Kyle, but I come out in the same ballpark. Let's replicate and extend his analysis graphically so that we can see exactly what's going on. Here's Exxon's oil production (including NGL and tar sands), over the last five years from their annual reports:

Recent Total Exxon Liquids Production (dark green) with 2001 projection (purple).

The 2005 number is actually the 2nd quarter, taken from Petroleum Review. As you can see, the dark green line is basically flat, with very slight fluctuations. They certainly haven't been growing production in any significant way. However, if we follow Kyle's advice and take a look at their 2001 annual report, we see that they certainly thought they would - they estimated that they would grow at 3% annually through 2007. That's the purple line.

Now, let's take a look at how they expected to do that. A complete list of projects is on page 32. The planned (as of 2001) capacity additions reaching first oil in each year, are shown, along with what actually happened:

Exxon planned and actual additions to capacity reaching first oil in each year.

You can see there's a certain tendency for things to get delayed (as in 2002), and then catch up (as in 2003, where they actually got a little ahead of schedule). The dip in early 2005 production is probably accounted for by the large fraction of new capacity for 2004 that got delayed.

Now, given all this, we can compute a decline rate for FIP from subtracting out the new projects. However, there's one tricky point here. As I have noted in the past, a project which hits first oil in year X, probably doesn't hit peak production until some time in year X+1, and year X+2 might well be the first year to see peak production for the entire year. So assuming a new project in 2001 creates it's peak capacity for all of 2001 creates a significant error. As a rough approximation, I'm going to treat all these projects as though they add nothing in the first year, but the full capacity in the following year. With that assumption, we can make the following picture:

Exxon production together with production computed from various constant decline rates plus actual new projects that reached first oil the prior year. Y-axis is millions of barrels per day, and is not zero-scaled.

Clearly, if there had been no decline in FIP, Exxon would be in seventh heaven, with production up 1mbpd over the last four years, instead of down slightly. That's the power of depletion. Also clearly, a model of constant depletion rate plus new project peak capacity cannot perfectly account for the data. The 8% and 10% curves mostly bracket the actual line, but not perfectly. In fact, if we work the other way and ask what non-constant decline rate would have been required to exactly fit the actual production, we get this:

Exxon estimated annual decline rate in fields in production.

Now, the exact numbers shouldn't be taken too literally here. Remember we have this slightly crude model for the onset of new production in there and the 2005 number is only half way through the year - it could decline more, or some more of the delayed projects might come on and push production up (and thus the decline rate down). My average of these decline rates is 9.4%, not too different than Kyle's 10%. However, clearly the extrapolation of a curve this bumpy by it's average taken as a constant has to be viewed with a little caution.

Before we leave Exxon, one last graph. Let's look at what would have happened to production if they'd had the exact same declines, but all projects had come on exactly as planned in 2001. That would be the middle blue curve here (more-or-less between what they hoped for, and what actually happened).

Exxon production, production goals in 2001, and the prodution they would have achieved with no new project delays, but otherwise identical decline rates. Note that the graph is not zero-scaled.

Clearly, the bulk of Exxon's failure to grow their supply as they hoped does not come from project delays, but rather than from somewhat underestimating the decline rate in their existing fields. Indeed, for the last eight years, all of the very considerable new capacity that Exxon has bought on at great expense and enormous trouble has only gone to offset declines. They have not managed to grow their production or market share one iota. So when Exxon CEO Lee Raymond says

When oil's at $60 a barrel, at least $20 of that is speculative and not supported by the fundamentals.
one has to wonder why he feels so confident when his own company is running with Alice and the Red Queen: going hard at it just to stay in the same place.

At any rate, all of this evidence - Saudia Arabia, Iran, Exxon, is reasonably consistent with Ray Gould's 8% number. What does that mean?

Well, if we take Chris Skrebowski's list of projects, this years production of around 84mbpd, and add various decline rates, we get this picture.

Production projection with ODAC Megaprojects plus various average decline rates of existing fields and the supply required to maintain "business as usual".

The 8% line is the big green one at the bottom. It seems to me there are only about three possibilities here:
  1. Chris Skrebowski has missed most of the volume of new projects in his analysis.
  2. Andrew Gould is smoking dope, Exxon, Iran, and Saudi Arabia are an anomalously bad piece of the production mix, and the average decline rate is really much lower.
  3. Life is about to get less fun, pretty quickly.
As those of you following my analysis of the relationship between miles travelled and GDP know, I'm pretty convinced the US economy can't save very much absolute oil usage without economic growth being hurt - we can only make the economy less oil intensive at 3%-4% annually, and the historical GDP growth will completely offset that. Developing countries can probably go a little quicker because, as Henry Groppe has alerted us there's about 20mbpd of heat/power usage in those countries which can be substituted by other fuels. But don't forget China just built a freeway system, and India is in the middle of doing the same thing. They will probably do their best to actually drive on their new roads, which will limit their ability to do all the oil saving for us.

I think we'd better focus on figuring out whether there's any possibility of 1) or 2) being correct.

Does rate of decline have to be constant (say, always 5% each year) or can it vary from year to year? Just curious.

Are there models that suggest rate of decline might accelerate from year to year as more aggressive extraction mechanisms are brought on line?

There doesn't seem to be any reason why it has to stay the same. The Exxon analysis above makes it appear that it varies. To a certain extent it depends on choices - if more investment is made in production, declines will be slowed (for a while). If production is neglected, it will decline faster (eg John D. Grace in Russian Oil Supply makes a very good case that the reason for the speed of production collapse in Russia in the early nineties was primarily that they were producing oil at a loss, no-one was paying bills, and thus they couldn't do any maintenance - the number of wells just shut off because they needed repair mushroomed.
My understanig from the PO theory is that the logistic curve (less political/technical disturburances) approximates closely the normal distrubution. This kind of distribution produces year-to-year decline rates which grow approximately in arithmetic progression. I can argue that the back side of the curve will be much closer to normal distribution (than the front side) because of the lack of spare capacity that actually makes the growing part that volatile. But let's think about it more deeply: imagine a string you are trying to pull harder and harder... the first few years the string can handle it by elongating but after some years it will surely tear apart. This is the critical year and it depends on the accumulated pressure since year 0, and by that time we should have either another system or the same system replacing dependance on oil with the same rate as the oil production drops. This is the real year we need to find out to see what time do we really have.

I modelled the world oil production logistic curve with normal distribution given the following:

PO production = 30.9 Gbbo/year
Total URR = 2400 Gbbo
The standart deviation for this is 31 years.
Here is what I got:
Year    Production      Change  Cummulative change relative to year 0
0    30.88049825    0.10%    0.00%
1    30.88049825    0.00%    0.00%
2    30.84838404    -0.10%    -0.10%
3    30.78425576    -0.21%    -0.31%
4    30.68831322    -0.31%    -0.62%
5    30.5608548    -0.42%    -1.04%
6    30.40227596    -0.52%    -1.55%
7    30.21306715    -0.62%    -2.16%
8    29.9938113    -0.73%    -2.87%
9    29.74518084    -0.83%    -3.68%
10    29.46793426    -0.93%    -4.57%
11    29.16291223    -1.04%    -5.56%
12    28.8310334    -1.14%    -6.64%
13    28.47328974    -1.24%    -7.80%
14    28.09074164    -1.34%    -9.03%
15    27.68451269    -1.45%    -10.35%
16    27.25578415    -1.55%    -11.74%
17    26.80578925    -1.65%    -13.20%
18    26.33580732    -1.75%    -14.72%
19    25.84715776    -1.86%    -16.30%
20    25.34119383    -1.96%    -17.94%
21    24.81929652    -2.06%    -19.63%
22    24.28286831    -2.16%    -21.37%
23    23.7333269    -2.26%    -23.14%
24    23.17209914    -2.36%    -24.96%
25    22.60061485    -2.47%    -26.81%
26    22.02030097    -2.57%    -28.69%
27    21.43257571    -2.67%    -30.60%
28    20.83884299    -2.77%    -32.52%
29    20.24048703    -2.87%    -34.46%
30    19.63886723    -2.97%    -36.40%
31    19.03531332    -3.07%    -38.36%
32    18.43112077    -3.17%    -40.31%
33    17.82754659    -3.27%    -42.27%
34    17.22580534    -3.38%    -44.22%
35    16.62706559    -3.48%    -46.16%
36    16.0324467    -3.58%    -48.08%
37    15.44301593    -3.68%    -49.99%
38    14.85978596    -3.78%    -51.88%
39    14.28371276    -3.88%    -53.75%
40    13.71569384    -3.98%    -55.58%
41    13.15656684    -4.08%    -57.40%
42    12.60710849    -4.18%    -59.17%
43    12.06803397    -4.28%    -60.92%
44    11.53999651    -4.38%    -62.63%
45    11.02358743    -4.47%    -64.30%
46    10.51933641    -4.57%    -65.94%
47    10.02771211    -4.67%    -67.53%
48    9.549123056    -4.77%    -69.08%
49    9.083918785    -4.87%    -70.58%
50    8.63239124    -4.97%    -72.05%

Probably the real picture will be much worse because of the increasing political tensions, the shift to faster depleting oil sources (smaller standart deviation) etc. If you can notice the "tension" percentage gets to 5% in the first 10 years; then almost doubles in only 5 years; and then almost doubles again  the next 5 years. This speeding of the worsening trend goes up to the standard deviation year +31. I would suggest that years 10-15 will be most critical because of the sharp rise of the pre peak production drop.
Any comments on this will be very much welcomed.

P.S. Is it possible to place an Excel graph here?

Please consider using something other than the logistic curve. Use a rate-based model and you can actually make sense of the numbers.  The logistic curve is not rate-based.
Of course, you are perfectly right. The logistic curve contains some important assumptions which do not correlate very much with reality. I think the base assumption is that the oil producers are trying to maximize production in every moment of time while constantly drilling more wells to offset decline. The reality of course is not that simple; there are lots of mainly economical restrictions on constantly investing in a field. Usually there are huge initial investments leading to a "spike" of the
initial production. Then the producers tend to invest in expanding production depending on market conditions (which are rather unpredictable). When the field reaches its peak, in most cases it is much more reasonable to maintain a sustained decline than to fight the peak - nobody would pour huge money in a declining field, because the investments are not likely to pay off. For example I am sure that if they drill more wells in West Texas they can temporary rise the production to say 1.2 mln.bbd but then it is inevitable that the production will again slowly slide down (following the logistic curve) and the slide will soon become uncontrollable. That's why they preffer to have a long controllable decline than making unfeasable investments. In short the logistic curve is what we can expect from a field if we target maximum production all the while during its lifetime.

I think that in the short term we will see the West Texas pattern world wide - the first several years will be of significant constant decline rates (3-4%?). But after that the shortages will attract huge investments and in the medium turn the production curve will start to follow closely the logistic curve as producers scramble to boost production by all means.

Of course all of this is too speculative for me to bet on... If the producers start chasing their long-term interest they will probably abandon the "maximum production" goal and even allow temporary free fall of production to preserve it for the future. This is what may cause the real trouble and why we need sufficient energy independance now.

but then it is inevitable that the production will again slowly slide down (following the logistic curve) and the slide will soon become uncontrollable.

Why again does it follow the logistic curve?

You continually critize the Hubbert curve, yet as far as I know you still haven't done any evaluation to show that your model can project forward any better.  Your modeling tends to use a lot of parameters, and smells strongly to me of overfitting the past data.  The onus is on you to show that your model is useful predictively.  I for one am weary of all the carping about the logistic model, which, while it's undoubtedly a crude approximation, does actually have a track record of useful prediction in a significant number of basins.  Please put up or shut up.
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Thank you, that makes it much more valuable.
Fantastic analysis there - it makes sense to me, we know the actual production, we know the timings of new projects so we can work out the FIP decline rate.  I'm left wondering why this hasn't been done before though and why the FIP decline is thought of as such a mystery?

I presume similar analysis could be done for BP who have grown their total production and Shell who haven't?

20 Dollar Oil

All oil executives are talking down the future oil price in public. Even our local one, Mr Ruttensdorfer from OMV. The reason is simple. They want to be left alone. No windfall tax, no post peak planning, no substitution projects, no hassle with -god beware- forced consumption restriction (driving on alternate days, etc).
Buisness as usual keeps the American dream alive.
It is psychologic: A popular saying in the german wehrmacht 1944 was: Comrades, enjoy war,  peace will be terrible.

As a fellow Austrian (and I thought I was the only one who is PO aware...), I know exactly what you mean. I have been repeatedly enraged by Ruttensdorfers claims of plentiful and cheap oil in a not so distant future.

But actually there is a possibility that he genuinely believes this, as OMV has a very interesting record of offsetting decline. They have very few and small fields but alledgedly manage to squeeze them to the last drop, at least if one can trust an article published in the German magazine "Der Spiegel" not so long ago. (They also raved about new technologies such as a new kind of 3D-seismographic)

"Der Spiegel" also hinted that this record of managing to keep up a plateau could give hope to the rest of the industry. However, what they totally forget in my opinion, is that the OMV-operations can't be compared to the majors neither in scale nor in quality.

So Ruttensdorfer might really think all is rosy, at least if he is dumb enough not to look beyond his own company...  

Exxon have announced that they are keeping their exploration budget at $18 billion. With the cost of exploration rising as described in earlier posts, this means a great deal less exploration and with less oil being found for a given amount of exploritory effort there seems little prospect the much of an upturn in oil from new fields after 2010 when oil discovered now would be rising to a peak.
Hi Stuart

There's something I don't quite understand about your analysis - is 8% a decline rate for a typical individual field after peak, or a typical decline rate for a collective of FIPs past (collective) peak  (some of which may individually be at plateau or even pre-peak rather than yet declining)? I guess this is like the distinction between Skebowski's type II and type III depletion.

The Exxon analysis is clearly for a collective of Exxon fields but the 8% figure quoted above from the Schlumberger looked like an attempt to give a typical figure for an individual field.

Even if the individual field depletion rate is high, the collective depletion rate of a groups of FIPs would presumably also depend on the time distribution of production starting in different fields and so might not be as high if not all the individual fields of the collective are declining (I'm just thinking out loud here ...)

I was assuming he meant an aggregate of all fields in production. In some cases (eg OPEC), where there aren't really any new fields on stream, the difference may not matter much.
Fair enough if it's an aggregate rate and as you say it may nor make much difference for OPEC either way.

The post-peak global decline may well mirror the typical decline rate of individual fields while we still rely on a small number of long-lived big fields for the bulk of our production (and when most of these are in decline). However, in the future when most production comes from small fields (or mopping up projects) with short lifetimes, presumably the global decline rate will increasingly mirror the decline rate in discoveries (with a few years lag). This may give us a longer shallow tail, especially when coupled with the slow ramp-up of LQHCs.

Doesn't help us in the near term though :-|

I think we can expect the rate of aggregate decline of FIP to go up over time. However, the total decline rate will depend, to some extent, on how hard we work to offset that. Just as now in North America, we have a 31% average decline rate on individual wells, but by furiously drilling all over the place we are almost (but not quite) managing to hold production.

In the long run, it will probably all look roughly logistic as Hubbert said. But what happens over the next five years will just be a little jog up or down on the Hubbert curve, but might make quite a bit of difference to our experience of it.

Agree with clv101. Could you give a little detail on how Henry Groppe thinks there can be savings of 20mbpd in swapping fuels. I have looked at the EIA yearly coal reserve tables and found that most of Africa, Middle East, South and Central America, and Asia have very little or no coal. There are a few countries with large quanities of coal (India, China, South Africa, Australia) but they tend to be the exception. And how many of those countries without any coal have natural gas in large enough quantities to be useful? And how would you expect Burma or Zimbabwe to pay for importing coal or natural gas?
I am from Brazil and while we don't have good coal reserves we can produce ethanol from sugarcane. I think it is possible produce enough ethanol from sugarcane with a few net energy gain whilke the oil energy subside is pratically null with the higher oil cousts (the same is not possible with corn ethanol) to sustain Brazil gas consumption (if the automobile use at Brazil is constant - we will need make huge investment at public transportation).

As Brazil is making the sugarcane ethanol thecnology disponible to other third world countries it is possible that these countries will not have need to use coal. IMHO almost all South America, all Central America and India can try go for sugracane ethanol. They will produce less grains and sugar for export, but they will need import less oil or coal. So, it is possible that these third world countries be less affected than USA by the Peak Oil. However, some economic effect will be visible.

Sorry my bad english, my native language is portuguese.

Brazil's sugarcane ethanol - better  buy now while we not use it all - see you, Germany and Japan want make comercial contracts with Brazil government to buy our ethanol...

There is an entire sugar cane to ethanol plant on Highway 90 south of Lafayette Louisiana that is doing nothing but growing weeds and rusting. There are 10 distillation columns and a processing facility that have been shut down for a decade. This facility, when open, was making ethanol for around $.75 a gallon. That was too high when gasoline was $.50 a gallon, but looks pretty sexy right now.

What Carlos is saying is easily proven - if you use a source that is high in simple sugars, the ethanol yield should be higher and less energy intensive to extract. Corn never made sense to me in the first place, other than we happened to grow a lot of it in the midwest that we were having trouble selling.

What's the ROEI on the sugarcane ethanol? And how is it grown, are we talking substantial inputs of fertilizers and pesticides or a more sustainable production method? Is the cane grown in recently deforested areas or is it displacing food production?  
Sugarcane, in a tropical environment, is basically a fast growing weed. If you cut off a bit and drop it on top of the soil, it will put out roots in a matter of days and sprout. In south Louisiana and Mississippi, you can get 3 crops a year from any location that gets full sun. Weeds are not really a problem, because the cane usually outgrows everything except morning glory vines and kudzu. You can also plant them very tightly, as they are strictly vertical growth, and don't branch or bush out unless they are too widely spaced. When ready for harvesting, it isn't unusual for the plants to be 10 feet in height. There aren't a lot of "cane pests" outside of a worm called the cane borer, and it is readily controlled with a very tightly targeted insecticide which causes the borer to molt prematurely via hormones and then die. In Louisiana, fertilizers are used, but primarily to offset lack of crop rotation - nitrogen.

The real energy comes into play when you distill the cane, because standard distilling methods use heated fermentation. However, this isn't necessary - you can do a normal standard fermentation and then do distillation and reduce the energy input quite a bit. And the energy for distillation can be anything that produces heat - corncobs, old tires, anything that will burn.

Traditional thinking and distillation processes accept the energy inputs as "required", yet they do not have to be from oil or gas, and the primary ferment doesn't have to be heated due to the high native sugar content. It's not corn - we aren't converting starches to sugars here. It's just that when a process engineer gets hold of something like this, they always use the same input heat energy (NG) and opt for the highest yield in the shortest time. But even this could be offset by using the leftover cane leaves and waste to make biogas to self-power the distillation, if standard fermentation were used as a first step.

Why worry about the EROEI too much anyway - if gas continues to climb (as most here are sure it will), then there is nothing out there that will substitute into the existing transportation fleet EXCEPT ethanol and biodiesel. Nothing else is transportable and will work in a standard IC engine except these two alternatives. The real issue is using coal or other less expensive means to heat the distillation process, where the energy input is highest in the ethanol process. Using lower cost heat inputs changes everything in the EROEI equation, but requires engineers to step outside their box a bit.

Re "kudzu": I wonder if this couldn't just be used instead of cane.  I hear it's not that difficult to grow...
Kudzu -
This is the last thing you want on any land - it grows over a foot per day in the summer, has a 20-30' deep tap root which is nearly impossible to kill, and it absolutely grows over everything else.

The "red weed" in War of the Worlds was mild in comparison. State agencies have spent literally millions trying to get rid of this weed. It can pull down electric utility poles and pry shingles from roofs it grows so fast. And it doesn't even make anything useful - just cellulose, which is energy intensive to use at this time. It's also a booger to harvest - wraps around any and everything, and sends down roots wherever it grows over and touches the ground again.

I think cane or sugar beets would be lots easier to deal with...

You can flash burn a whole feild of Kudzu. Pour gas over every inch of this feild ( after the burn ) and still the plant will come back!.

 Goats and Sheep are being used in some areas of the USA to get rid of it after they killed it the year before.  The goats and Sheep eating all new sprouts, hoping to kill it!  It has not happened yet.  

 Drive alone almost any southern Rural highway, or back road and you will see it growing!  

 What is nice, is that Kudzu is edible to humans.  Large leaves steamed and used like grape leaves.  Last night's stem shoots cut and put in stir fries.  Roots used for teas and other things, even some form of bread flour.

 But low in sugar content!  If it were used to fuel the Fementation process of the SugarCane, Then great! Otherwise Know where you local supply is for the edible parts and try to keep it out of your yard.  

 It kills everything in its path within several years, even big old oaks, and fast growing pines.

Kudzu also laughs at Roundup and all other brush killers I know about....
Wow, Stuart!  What a brilliant analysis!  I'm going to be referring a few people to this post.

Looking at the various decline percentage graphs for Exxon, we can certainly see that the optimistic 2-4% decline rate is utter nonsense.  It's not even close!

What I find particularily funny is the 2001 prediction by Exxon, after several years of flat production they expected production to grow almost exponentially!  But I guess you have to be optimistic, otherwise you'd lose your shareholders.

If we are indeed riding the green line in your last graph, then we can say that April 2005 was indeed the peak of oil production (as was suggested in a previous post).

Unfortunately this line does not match any predictions made by any of the commentators (even the really pessimistic ones like ASPO).  How can that be?  Has everyone underestimated FIP decline rates?

Matthew Simmons claims that the 3% rate comes from the depletion data of U.S. oil fields.  But the U.S. oil fields were the first.  They were exploited with old technology, which drained reservoirs slowly.  They also benefited from new technology, which fattened the tail end of the production curves.

He says a lot of new fields today are exploited using high-tech methods from the beginning.  Many oil industry experts assume that means total recovery will be greater.  Simmons says that's wrong.  You may get the oil out faster, but total recovery will be the same or worse.  Which means the backside of the curve will be much steeper for these modern oil fields than they were for the old U.S. ones.

This analysis suggests that Simmons is correct.  

USA Lower-48 has been sitting at between 5.5% and 8% historically.

What makes this confusing is that there are other rates involved which get mixed up with the pure extraction or depletion rate. Besides extraction rate, you have average construction rates and what I call fallow and maturation rates, which delays the outflow of oil from recently discovered fields.

If you need a mathematical model that you can actually reason about (unlike the logistic curve), I refer you to my oil shock model here:
http://mobjectivist.blogspot.com/2005/10/oil-depletion-model-posts.html

Did you ever analyze whether your model does prediction better than the logistic?
I don't think the logistic can do prediction if it is based on a faulty premise. It might provide a useful heuristic, but heuristics are usually not based on a physical understanding.

So my model should do prediction better than the logistic. Just like Kirchoff's law does prediction of electrical circuit behavior better than not using Kirchoff's law.  Primarily because it is based on stochastic first-order rate behavior, which the logistic curve does not do. The logistic curve does a model of homogeneous discrete-entity dynamics which does not match oil depletion dynamics.

If you were to rephrase the question, does the logistic curve do a better heuristic than a model developed from first principles? Ask the software gaming industry that one.

Don't give me "should do better".  To go around trumpeting with great certainty that your model is better on purely theoretical grounds without doing any evaluation is just scientific laziness.  The test of models is not whether they fit your a-priori intuition, but whether they explain the data.  The facts decide, not your handwaving arguments.  And not just that you can throw enough parameters at the problem to make chi^2 small, but whether you can predict data that you didn't fit to.

Again, if you want to argue that the logistic model is no good, the only argument I accept is a quantitative  evaluation showing that some other model has lower residuals than the logistic on future data that wasn't used to fit the parameters (for a few different countries where the logistic does ok).  If you can come up with such an evaluation, I shall be delighted to accept that you have advanced the state of the art and we can all start using the WebHubble model instead of the logistic model.  In the meantime, further words are just methane in the wind.  

If the problem is that you aren't familiar with the problem of overfitting, there is a simple explanation here.

April 2005 is not impossible. People keep forgetting that over the last 1-2 years the bulk of production increase has not come from new supply but from utilizing what used to be OPEC's supply cushion. Only now will we stat to see what happens when we need to rely on truly new capacity.
I think you just hit the nail on the head.
And Russia getting it's production back together - but that growth seems to be at an end.
Globally its more like 4.5% right now but it will have to start increasing if we want to delay the peak and keep it from occurring in the coming months.
Also, what happens when you apply this decline rate to the CERA prodject predictions?
Isn't the name Skrebowski?
Thanks - fixed.
In regard to working hard to stay flat, Canada certainly fits that description.  Year over year, total Canadian oil production is flat.  In other words, over the past year increasing oil production from tar sands is just going to offset declines from conventional Canadian oil production.  On a net energy basis, they are almost certainly going backwards, given the heavy energy input into tar sands production.  This doesn't leave a lot of tar sands oil to offset declines elsewhere in the world.

In regard to best case scenarios, Texas has seen an average net decline rate of 2.3% per year over the past 33 years.  Note that this is net, after very intense drilling.  This intensity of drilling, for a number of reasons--such as personnel and equipment shortages--is unlikely to be matched worldwide.

In regard to the cornucopians assertion that "technology will save us," I have started asking what technology can do for fields like the East Texas Field, which once was the largest oil field in the Lower 48.  Today, East Texas is producing about 1.2 million bpd of water, with a 1% oil cut. How can technology increase oil production from a field that has watered out?  East Texas is to Texas as Ghawar is to Saudi Arabia.  

It's not just Canadian petroleum that has been flat, it is also natural gas.  The National Energy Board's Short-term Outlook for natural gas is that production will be at best flat for the next three years--assuming a huge increase in coal-bed methane!  In addition, they state that higher prices will not increase production because the industry is maxed-out.  

http://www.neb.gc.ca/energy/EnergyReports/EMAGasSTDeliverabilityCanada2005_2007/EMAGasSTDeliverabili tyCanada2005_2007_e.pdf

I think that this is profound for a quasi-government agency. As for the natural gas, what is not clear to me is how much of it is needed to run the oil sands extraction operations in Fort McMurry?

muhandis

I tried to reach you by email w/o success, so I am posting it:

Dear Sir,

Your astute response to Stuart's excellent 8% post on theoildrum led me also to more closely read many of the comments which followed. In doing so,  I caught you using the superb word "cornucopians,"  which I believe should be widely used. Were you its most recent recoiner, in this context?

I have added a copy below of a post I made today to Chris Lydon's site BOP, one which features this word, and I always like to give credit where credit is due, especially when I think that this characterization of the pagan Pollyannas as Cornucopians will follow them to the grave.

Sincerely,

John O'Brien

Peak Oil: The Blissful Cliff

the only reason the smart Chinese continue to fund this corrupted administration is that the Chinese "pickle market" bankers are betting on what they see as: we are on the road to driving off the very road, and in the ensuing crash our capital and our control is passing onto them.

We are committing happily collective suicide --as a democracy, a culture and as a business --waving to God, maybe, as we fly over the blissful cliff, power steering engaged. Only Permaculture, sunlight, and getting to know one another pretty quickly may save us.  

But it looks a lot llike the smart money's against us.

Down with the Cornucopians!

the cubist

"Cornucopians" has been in use in peak oil circles for a long time.  Not sure who coined it.  Campbell, maybe?
There's been a number of comments here and otherwise that this sharp implied decline rate here might be due to asset sales.  While Exxon doesn't outline sales of flows in their reports, they do outline sales of resources.  In 2002, they sold 200 million bble of resources, in 2003 300 million bble, and in 2004 bble.  Converting these to production is a bit problematic, but using the rule of thumb that reserves are roughly 10 times annual production, this would imply sales of 54,000 bbl/d in flows in 2002,  82,000 bbl/d in 2003, and 108,000 bbl/d in 2004.  These volumes are not immaterial compared to the 250,000 bbl/d in production lost due to depletion, and if taken at face value reduce the decline rate somewhat from that above.

However, there are a number of qualifiers - if these are indeed old reserves, the R/P of 10 is probably high - witness the US experience, where R/P has been growing.  Also, they are oil equivalent, so there presumably gas there as well.  All in all, I still think we are looking at Exxon decline rates in the 8% range minimum.

I've just spent a chunk of the day going through every Exxon PR release.  I didn't see anything about selling assets that were producing.

I think in general we need to acknowledge there is significant uncertainy in this analysis, just based on the fluctuations year to year in the apparent decline rate.  We are probably at something like 9+-3 for Exxon.

I would throw this out for people to think about.

My company (Anonymous Oil International) has a decline rate exceeding 15% because we push to maximize production. We do this because offshore operating costs are high, and by getting it out as fast as possible, we reduce the operating overhead over time quite a bit. Many offshore operations do the same thing, and it is likely to become the norm as lifting and finding costs are rising to stratospheric heights. Thunderhorse is a prime example of this, where the injection wells are actually in place before first oil. But as much as that monster cost them, the only way to get your money back and then make more is to move the whole thing to the next big project...

This is an interesting point.
When you leave for the next field - how easy is it for a small company to come in after you to try and mop up the dregs?
There is no "mopping up" after something like Thunderhorse. The field is stripped completely in the first pass because we are waterflooding during primary production to drive it all to the wells in the first pass. This reduces the time to get the oil, which dramatically reduces operating costs. Once the floating platform is off to the next project, who is going to build another floating production system just to mop up? The cost is completely prohibitive. This is the new technology at work - the field will be monitored in 4D seismically and injection rates based on the model. No secondary recovery - it's all done the first pass.
LOL, if I understand correctly the offshore production is like drinking your can of beer - just pour it up and it ends in an instant? I wonder what is the global share of offshore production now...
Only the newer deepwater stuff, where the cost is high and putting in landed platforms too costly. Water under 400' deep is still good for traditional production methods and these platforms are sold off by the majors every so often to smaller companies to eke out the remainder.
Thanks for clarifying this point.

How many fields are being produced in a similar manner to deep sea?  I believe Dave has mentioned already that there are two opposite models running on peak and depletion - West Texas vs North sea.

It has appeared to me reading TOD posts over the last 6 months that most production of the last 20 years and going forward is like Thunder Horse.  Fields are mapped, brought online with strategic well locations and pressures are maintained right from the start with CO2 or water.  

Won't this force a Hubbert's peak that would be (relatively) wide and flat to be more of a spike.  That is, narrow in time, but high with respect to maximum production in bpd.  Won't this extraction technique make small fields look larger, at least short term?  In aggregate won't this result in short term higher production that will be harder to maintain over time, due to shorter life span of fields?  And won't this give everyone false data on field size (if my assumptions are true) when stating reserves?  I want to understand the effect of these different approaches on peak production of fields.

I think water flooding, combined with horizontal drilling when water rises towards the gas cap (like current practice in Saudi) is another example of modern practice that will lead to very high decline rates following peak.  And, I imagine a very short plateau as the end draws near...
... But as much as that monster cost them, the only way to get your money back and then make more is to move the whole thing to the next big project...

Wait a second. I'm not a bright guy or an oil industry insider, but doesn't that imply that the foundation of the oil industry depends on the kind of growth dependent economics that is so frequently viewed negatively at this site?

If a large fraction of producers are depending on new fields ("the next big thing") to recover the costs of their current infrastructure investments, what happens to those company's ability to continue operating when ROI drops to the point they are operating at a loss? To stay profitable and in business, wouldn't you have to get the oil out faster and faster by increasing production rates as GeoPoet's company is doing? What happens at the tipping point when companies can no longer:

  1. Increase production by expanding the number of production fields year to year, either by exploration and develpment or mergers and aquisitions.

  2. Reduce production costs by making improvements to recovery rate.

  3. Cover the cost of bringing new assets on line with their current financial resources.

  4. Grow their bottom line to maintain the confidence of their investors.

Forget geology for a minute. What's going to happen to the economics of the industry when it can no longer maintain existing profit margins? Clearly the majors aren't at that point, but how much production is in the hands of more economically vulnerable companies? How long post-peak will the smaller producers be able to stay in business? Aren't most of the ones that haven't been bought out doing the kind of production the majors won't touch?

Someone, please, point out why this shouldn't keep me up at night. Give me some numbers to show how little impact production loss due to small company failure is going to have.  :-(

Obviously, the price is going to keep rising until those companies (or new ones that arise to take their place) can stay in business.  
It's simple - when the oil begins to get really hard to find, the price goes up. Sure, we will always lag behind, but that doesn't mean we cannot plan. I really think that the oil industry and the military industrial bunch are the only businesses that can look past the next fiscal year in terms of planning. And yes - we have always counted on growth - not exponential, but solid growth. We are just now bumping into each other in terms of prospects worldwide. Competition is really hot in places like North and West Africa, where you can still get a relatively good deal in terms of lease contracts. China is also a decent place to make money, especially in terms of stability, if you can negotiate a decent lease contract. I don't think Russia has panned out nearly as well as Chevron and others had hoped - they have their own way of doing things, and it is incredibly slow and plodding.

No, we cannot reasonably expect to grow exponentially as the reserve prospects dwindle. There will be further consolidation in the independent oilfield - no way to avoid that. People will cash out as well if they cannot find decent prospects. It wouldn't surprise me to see half the independent oil companies here in the US gone in 10-20 years, as their resources deplete and they cannot afford to buy into the international market. They will have to sell out or sit and watch their reserves dwindle unless new domestic areas get opened up, and even then the bidding may be fierce.

It will be interesting...

Hello GeoPoet,

I haven't heard anything about Thunderhorse since BP said it had suffered,  during Katrina, 10% damage.  That would be about $100 million.

Could you tell me where it is being repaired and how long it will take to repair?

Thanx,
James

I heard it was already finished with most repairs. Since the whole thing was built per BP design, and then put together by the Pride roughnecks and drillers, most of the repairs were probably done with contracted welders and BP or Pride supervision on site. I haven't called anybody, but if anybody else asks, I can call some BP buddies and check...
I'd be interested. As of last week, BP was saying that Thunderhorse was still being repaired, and that it could be delayed by as much as a year.  Some analysts think BP is low-balling the damage, and the delay could be even longer.
Thank you both for your responses. I feel a little foolish for forgetting something as basic as higher profits due to price increases.