Why This Matters: Katrina and Peak Oil

Katrina IS a big deal today and will be for weeks to come.

Why?  Because Katrina will have disrupted Gulf production, refining, and storage of petroleum for an uncertain amount of time.  We have probably lost at least 1mbpd of production, if not more, for a significant period of time.  We use 20mbpd in the US.  That means either the US cuts consumption by at least five percent or demand will push prices upwards, and dramatically.

You see, with supply and demand balanced on a knife's edge as it is because of "peak oil," this scenario could lead to huge amounts of volatilty in the oil markets for weeks to come. There is simply no more extra oil (except maybe the SPR, but that petroleum is problematic as it is yet to be refined, and refineries are already at capacity if they survived the storm, Chuck Schumer, you idiot.) we can call upon to put into the system.

With supply and demand balanced as it is (and with demand only growing over time from places like China and India), it only takes one "something" (terror, weather, malevolent world politician) to disrupt this gently balanced system.

This is what Goldman Sachs was saying six months ago when they introduced the idea of a $105/bbl superspike. NB, I am not saying this is the "superspike." However, if this is an event that really disrupts supply it could mean a terribly volatile market with a price spike...(and yes, that $105/bbl number probably equals somewhere around $4/gal or more for gas or even worse, a shortage of supply because of systemic problems).

Let's not forget the human cost today. Our thoughts and prayers are with these people. Please note the Red Cross box in the upper right hand corner of the site, if you are so inclined.

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Where are you getting your numbers that we use 20mbpd? As I understand it, that's not the case.
The world uses 84mbpd.  We use 25% of that.  I am not on my normal machine, so I don't have my resources handy, someone throw up one of the references to that please?
The CNN graphic is the quickest reference I have handy.  It is now below the fold of the post.
The U.S. Energy Information Agency has a table in pdf format that lists U.S. oil consumption. 2002 average consumption: 19.7 mbpd; 2003: 20.0 mbpd; 2004: 20.7 mbpd; 2005 (first three months only): 20.6 mbpd.
thanks IL.
Now where were we...something about...oh I remember.

"this is not a comment informed by economics, it is an economisty comment, using economic terminology to obscure the essential info.  Of course, by definition, 'supply' and 'demand' are balanced.  That tells us nothing of interest.

What is of interest is that physically there is not the unused over-capacity among oil suppliers that there used to be. That means that when supply is knocked out in the Gulf, the Saudi's can't turn on the spigots and flood the market. That means that now, today, in the real world, the Saudi's can't prevent a price spike.

Hello? Do you see why that is important, and the notion that in the abstract, 'supply' and 'demand' always balance is just so much pointy headed blather?"  -camille roy

do please continue.

Camille's posting that you quoted was in response to me on the other site, so here is a copy of what I posted over there. It's kind of funny that you just reposted that ridiculous graphic about supply and so-called "demand", it is a perfect example of the misleading presentation that I complain about below.

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Let me say a little more about supply and demand then.

This site has had a persistent problem with misusing and misstating the relationship and the facts about the current supply and demand situation. Now that we are on the old site I couldn't help noticing the last posting here before moving to the new site, from Aug 19: "More EIA: Demand will Outstrip Supply in Q4 '05 and Q1 and Q4 of '06 - Something we've talked about already, but more evidence of it. The EIA officially is stating that oil demand will outstrip supply in the fourth quarter of this year, as well as in Q1 and Q4 of 2006. (hat tip: peakoil.com.)"

This is just total BS. The so-called demand here is merely another word for consumption. When "demand outstrips supply" or vice versa in this sense, it only means that we are slightly building up or drawing down reserves. It is a normal process in the oil business and happens every year. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peak Oil. Yet this site has continued to post messages like this that mislead readers. That's why I objected to the claim that demand and supply are balanced on a knife edge. It is very much in keeping with those earlier postings that were fundamentally misleading. Demand and supply have always been balanced like that in the oil business, but this site has persisted in misunderstanding that and presenting the balance as if it is new.

But let's suppose that what PG really meant in the recent post is that the world does not have much excess capacity, due to Peak Oil. There are two things wrong with this. First, the world does in fact have some excess capacity now. See http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/28/news/international/bc.markets.oil.reut/index.html : 'Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi told the state news agency SPA that the OPEC giant was in touch with its customers, especially in the United States, to assist in any supply shortfall but said that world oil markets were currently "well-balanced" and that supplies were adequate. "To the extent that markets are concerned about the impact of Hurricane Katrina on the availability of crude oil supply, the minister said that Saudi Arabia stands ready to increase oil production immediately to 11 million barrels per day and sustain that level to replace any shortages in the crude oil market," SPA said.'

And second, the real issue for Peak Oil is not how much excess capacity there is on any given day. No doubt there are many commodities which don't have much excess production capacity. Farms couldn't double their milk output tomorrow but that doesn't mean we're hitting Peak Milk. The real issue is whether it will be possible to ramp up production smoothly over the next few years to meet expected demand levels. Just because they can't increase production by huge amounts in a short time doesn't mean that they can't increase over a period of years. The latter question is the real issue for Peak Oil, and the failure to have lots of excess capacity on a day to day basis is not the same thing.

One final point, as far as the SPR, even just for sweet crude they have over 200 million barrels, more than enough to get us through a 1 mbpd temporary shortfall. And initial reports are that refineries will be able to get back in business quickly, so hopefully the impact on gas won't be that bad. Gasoline demand cuts back after Labor Day anyway, which is only a week away.

When I said
I have recently read some remarks that Katrina is not a "peak oil" event. As PG says, of course it is. Demand has never been this high and growing. For that matter, supply has never been this high either. Whether the peak occurs in 2007/08, 2010, 2015 or 2020 as CERA believes, we are on a non-sustainable course in the future. So over this period from now until the peak, there will always be events -- natural or geopolitical or geological -- which will constrain supply and demand. How this plays out economically is really, in the larger sense I am talking about, beside the point. It is short-sited in my view to dismiss Katrina or unrest in Nigeria, for that matter, as unrelated to peak oil.
Which part confused you? Note that I did not mention the "balance" of supply and demand.
Dave - My original message on the old board was not in reply to you, but to Goose's posting. The old site did not have threaded messaging so it was not clear. Then Camille Roy replied characterizing my comment as "pointy headed blather", which PG thought insightful enough to copy over here.
I actually wasn't trying to single anyone out...just attempting to be provocative and get the conversation going again (it was an interesting exchange...).
I actually experienced Peak Milk at about age 7 when I started to demand waffles and toast instead of cereal.
Ummm. I don't know about anyone else, but at this point official Saudi pronouncements on oil have zero credibility with me. The various things they say don't make sense together, and it's pretty clear they have to be fibbing about at least some of it. They've been saying "the market's well supplied" all year, and obviously the market is having none of it, since the price going up. Besides, other OPEC leaders keep saying things to the effect that none of OPEC has any pricing power because they are all pumping flat out already.
Anyway... as I understand maybe...
Even if the saudis increased their output right now, that's not going to solve the problems due to the passage of Katrina no?
Given that Katrina damaged refineries...
When economists talk about "supply" and "demand," they use the term to refer to the whole curve--supply (or demand) as a function of price.  They also talk about the "quantity supplied" at a particular price.  In an ordinary market situation, you have an upward sloping supply curve (suppliers will supply more at a higher price) and a downward sloping demand curve (consumers will demand less at a higher price) and a point where they cross--when the quantity supplied and the quantity demanded are equal at a particular price:  the market-clearing price.

A whole lot of what economicsts do has to do with the shape of those curves:  Do they slope steeply, or are they relatively flat?  Is the whole curve shifting out or back?

Well, I understand that. Since spare capacity is lacking now and in the future -- especially for light crude -- that supply curve is flattening out as time goes on. We don't have the capacity at all to refine large amounts of sour heavy oil, which is why Venezuela does not run the world and why any Saudi production increases are not important now. In addition, EROEI decreases with heavy oils from point of production to consumption and therefore price increases. This is also true for all other "non-conventional" sources.
Here it is, the whole thread from the old site. I did not want to lose track of this extremely entertaining conversation.
I have recently read some remarks that Katrina is not a "peak oil" event. As PG says, of course it is.

Demand has never been this high and growing. For that matter, supply has never been this high either. Whether the peak occurs in 2007/08, 2010, 2015 or 2020 as CERA believes, we are on a non-sustainable course in the future. So over this period from now until the peak, there will always be events -- natural or geopolitical or geological -- which will constrain supply and demand. How this plays out economically is really, in the larger sense I am talking about, beside the point. It is short-sited in my view to dismiss Katrina or unrest in Nigeria, for that matter, as unrelated to peak oil.

Dave | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 5:25 pm | #

Your logic here seems a little confused. First you talk about the close balance between supply and demand as if it is unusual. In fact, every commodity and every product balances supply and demand. You all have recently posted figures showing oil supply and demand levels going back a few years and they are always in close balance.

Second, you suggest that we may lose 1 mbpd of domestic production, and then you scorn the idea of releasing oil from the SPR to make up for it, saying that oil "is problematic because it is yet to be refined"? Well, of course it is yet to be refined, that is true of all crude oil. The 1 mpbd that we may have lost is oil that is yet to be refined. So releasing it from the SPR would be an effective way to make up for that. Probably that will happen, apparently it was done after Ivan. They view it as "borrowing" from the SPR and then it will be paid back after the immediate crisis is over and the damage is repaired.

Halfin | 08.29.05 - 5:31 pm | #

Great blog! I'm just getting my arms wrapped around this after reading an alarming interview with the author of "Twilight in the Desert". I immediately ordered a copy of that book and of "Beyond Oil". I guess I've been sort of sleepwalking as to the urgency of this issue.

Steve | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 5:33 pm | #

SPR is mostly heavy sour stuff which the Saudis have excess capacity only 30% of the SPR is swwweeeeet light which is what the refiners will take first. Since sweet light has already peaked refilling it is going to be present some problems. Unless of course they simple replace the light with heavy sour. Oils aint oils.

On another note who in there right mind would build a house below sea level in a huricane region. There is no way most people are going to care about peak oil untill after the event. They dont seem to care about living below sea level when it going to come knocking one day.

Oil Trader | 08.29.05 - 5:51 pm | #

Seems like the end of the world is coming Nice blog.

www.funkysmell.com funkysmell | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 5:53 pm | #

For the same reason people, for a century or more, have built homes on the Outer Banks of North Carolina: the magnetic (and very foolish) attraction to be near the water. Only the Corps of Engineers (and drylanders' tax dollars) keep the beaches replenished with sand -- at great cost -- the rebuilding dollars flowing (through the National Flood Insurance program). It is absurd, for sure. The taxpayers, by the way, just got done paying for the massive overhaul/raising of leeves protecting the city of Wilkes-Barre in northeastern PA, a city greatly damaged by Hurricane Agnes of decades ago. We ought to leave the Outer Banks, and Cape Cod, to nesting shorebirds. Period.

Alan Gregory | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 5:57 pm | #

"Your logic here seems a little confused. First you talk about the close balance between supply and demand as if it is unusual. In fact, every commodity and every product balances supply and demand. You all have recently posted figures showing oil supply and demand levels going back a few years and they are always in close balance."

This is not a comment informed by economics, it is an economisty comment, using economic terminology to obscure the essential info.

Of course, by definition, 'supply' and 'demand' are balanced. That tells us nothing of interest.

What is of interest is that physically there is not the unused over-capacity among oil suppliers that there used to be. That means that when supply is knocked out in the Gulf, the Saudi's can't turn on the spigots and flood the market. That means that now, today, in the real world, the Saudi's can't prevent a price spike.

Hello? Do you see why that is important, and the notion that in the abstract, 'supply' and 'demand' always balance is just so much pointy headed blather?

camille roy | 08.29.05 - 6:07 pm | #

The other thing about the SPR is that presumably, if used, it will have to be refilled/replaced. This will take the oil off the market at a later date.

Dino Pello | 08.29.05 - 6:07 pm | #

good going, camille.

"Of course, by definition, 'supply' and 'demand' are balanced. That tells us nothing of interest"

Economists ALWAYS use unclear and abstract terms, coupled with that huffy attidtude, and I'm quite sick of them.

mikeB | 08.29.05 - 6:10 pm | #

Given a choice of using the 30% light sweet and replacing it with heavy sour in the SPR - human nature (and our short term steep discount rates) say that of course we will take that route.

nate | 08.29.05 - 6:17 pm | #

Hate to interject a problem here, but even if we tap the SPR, where the hell are we going to refine it?

Dave | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 6:23 pm | #

aren't we forgetting about inventories? about 20 days worth before the SPR needs to be tapped, if I recall correctly.

jlim | 08.29.05 - 6:31 pm | #

As Dave points out, Katrina is causing shutdowns of refining capacity, and we were already short of refining capacity before the storm. So we've got less capacity, an oversupply of heavy/sour, and a shortage of light sweet and natural gas. The SPR won't help--gives us more oil of a type that can't be refined by the strained refineries we have left.

Referring to an earlier thread on the peaking of light sweet: Notice that there is more noise about the problems of the crude mix now available--several media references this week to the record and increasing price spread between light sweet and heavy sour, and the fact that any OPEC spare capacity is in heavy sour. All consistent with a quiet, unnoticed peak.

More noise about the SPR will bring the issue up again.

Rick | 08.29.05 - 6:39 pm | #

heads up...we're back over at the other site...will be moving, but we can't move the comments sadly (this is good...). come on over and restart/continue the conversation.

The Oil Drum (profgoose) | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 6:43 pm | #

Let me say a little more about supply and demand then.

This site has had a persistent problem with misusing and misstating the relationship and the facts about the current supply and demand situation. Now that we are on the old site I couldn't help noticing the last posting here before moving to the new site, from Aug 19: "More EIA: Demand will Outstrip Supply in Q4 '05 and Q1 and Q4 of '06 - Something we've talked about already, but more evidence of it. The EIA officially is stating that oil demand will outstrip supply in the fourth quarter of this year, as well as in Q1 and Q4 of 2006. (hat tip: peakoil.com.)"

This is just total BS. The so-called demand here is merely another word for consumption. When "demand outstrips supply" or vice versa in this sense, it only means that we are slightly building up or drawing down reserves. It is a normal process in the oil business and happens every year. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peak Oil. Yet this site has continued to post messages like this that mislead readers. That's why I objected to the claim that demand and supply are balanced on a knife edge. It is very much in keeping with those earlier postings that were fundamentally misleading. Demand and supply have always been balanced like that in the oil business, but this site has persisted in misunderstanding that and presenting the balance as if it is new.

But let's suppose that what PG really meant in the recent post is that the world does not have much excess capacity, due to Peak Oil. There are two things wrong with this. First, the world does in fact have some excess capacity now. See http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/28/...reut/ index.html : 'Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi told the state news agency SPA that the OPEC giant was in touch with its customers, especially in the United States, to assist in any supply shortfall but said that world oil markets were currently "well-balanced" and that supplies were adequate. "To the extent that markets are concerned about the impact of Hurricane Katrina on the availability of crude oil supply, the minister said that Saudi Arabia stands ready to increase oil production immediately to 11 million barrels per day and sustain that level to replace any shortages in the crude oil market," SPA said.'

And second, the real issue for Peak Oil is not how much excess capacity there is on any given day. No doubt there are many commodities which don't have much excess production capacity. Farms couldn't double their milk output tomorrow but that doesn't mean we're hitting Peak Milk. The real issue is whether it will be possible to ramp up production smoothly over the next few years to meet expected demand levels. Just because they can't increase production by huge amounts in a short time doesn't mean that they can't increase over a period of years. The latter question is the real issue for Peak Oil, and the failure to have lots of excess capacity on a day to day basis is not the same thing.

One final point, as far as the SPR, even just for sweet crude they have over 200 million barrels, more than enough to get us through a 1 mbpd temporary shortfall. And initial reports are that refineries will be able to get back in business quickly, so hopefully the impact on gas won't be that bad. Gasoline demand cuts back after Labor Day anyway, which is only a week away.

Halfin | 08.29.05 - 6:50 pm | #

That's great, profgoose.

I keep getting redirected here (to blogspot). I'll try again later... ben | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 6:53 pm | #

ok, I lied. keep commenting until you get sent back over to the Scoop site. sorry.

The Oil Drum (profgoose) | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 6:54 pm | #

Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi said "...Saudi Arabia stands ready to increase oil production immediately to 11 million barrels per day and sustain that level to replace any shortages in the crude oil market"

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Dave | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 7:05 pm | #

'Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi told the state news agency SPA that the OPEC giant was in touch with its customers, especially in the United States, to assist in any supply shortfall but said that world oil markets were currently "well-balanced" and that supplies were adequate.

I think this gets to the root of the problem. Some folks (Saudis) feel things are "well balanced" when it results in $70/bbl oil. Others feel there should be a different balance of supply and demand.

I find it hard to believe that they haven't ramped up production already (a year ago) when it was clear that oil was climbing high above the $20 price it had been stuck near for almost 10 years. In other words, I don't trust this official to give us the straight story - Saudis have been near 9.5 mbd all year long, while the price (and their potential profits) climb out of sight.

I'm not a geologist, nor an economist, so this is mostly conjecture based on a lot of reading and watching of numbers. I hope I'm wrong and that tomorrow the saudi's can turn the tap and get things back to a better "balance." I'm not holding my breath, though.

ben | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 7:09 pm | #

Suitably edited, from http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/
In an age of spin, [al-Naimi] offers feeling and authenticity. His message is consistent -- unshakeable, in fact, no matter the evidence -- but he commands daily attention by his on-the-spot, invective-rich variations on the theme. His lunatic counterfactual art is more appealing than the banal awfulness of the Reliable Sources. He is a Method actor in a production that will close in a couple of days. He stands superior to truth."


We love the Saudi Arabian Minister of Petroleum and Mineral Resources, Ali Al-Naimi! Surely you want to see a photo, so go here! Dave | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 7:28 pm | #

You just hit on the absolute core issue that separates the peak oilers from the cornucopians - some of use perform analysis and internal forecasts based on what we read and hear (from Saudia Arabia) and others look at historical facts and then make assumptions about the future. If Saudi Arabia is telling the truth ( Simmons doesnt think they are lying, just unaware), then Peak Oil is pushed out beyond a need for immediate worry - if they are not accurate and they are maxed out now and go into decline afer Gawar peaks, then all the seasonal supply demand gimics in the oil industry wont matter a hill of beans because the world will have effectively reached limits to growth - we can recieve energy from other sources but nothing on the magnitude that our infrastructure (western) has come to depend on.

Side note - the REAL story with this storm and IMO the coming months is nat gas not oil - that we cant really import as of yet and even though there is plenty of it overseas there is substantially less coming out of the ground here - there are TWICE as many US rigs drilling for gas this year yet we are barely on par with last years production levels - net energy at its best...

nate | 08.29.05 - 7:31 pm | #

Hey everyone, come back! Scoop is really online now. You may need to make sure you type the WWW.theoildrum.com for the time being while, but we're ready to go over there.

The Oil Drum (ianqui) | Homepage | 08.29.05 - 7:37 pm | #
As with Ivan, we will not know the extent of the damage for a few days or weeks.  But it is important to recognize that US crude oil inventories are currently well above average for this time of year.  Just drawing down stocks will make up for some of the lost production in the short term (next couple of months).

Gasoline stocks are near the lower end of the normal average.  So it is possible we could have a supply issue for gasoline depending on the damage to the refineries.  So gasoline (also NG and heating oil) is the short term concern, not crude oil.

Best Regards.

Halfin,

If there is still excess capacity, how do you explain the consistent rise in price during the last three years?

Other than that, can anybody tell me what kind of crude is produced in the area?

First, may I point out that one can now actually reply directly to a post (by clicking the "reply to this"), which makes it easier for people to follow the thread of conversation.

While I'm not Halfin, I can say that there's a difference between having excess capacity and having excess capacity of light sweet crude. As was noted in an earlier article, light sweet crude may have already peaked.

To me the mystery is not why the price has risen, it is why everyone imagines that the Saudis want the price to fall!
Look at their own remarks, cited by you. This is worth repeating:
Suitably edited, from http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

In an age of spin, [al-Naimi] offers feeling and authenticity. His message is consistent -- unshakeable, in fact, no matter the evidence -- but he commands daily attention by his on-the-spot, invective-rich variations on the theme. His lunatic counterfactual art is more appealing than the banal awfulness of the Reliable Sources. He is a Method actor in a production that will close in a couple of days. He stands superior to truth."
We love the Saudi Arabian Minister of Petroleum and Mineral Resources, Ali Al-Naimi!

Other than that, can anybody tell me what kind of crude is produced in the area?

That's a good question. Crude oil, as has been discussed on this board, comes in different grades. Light sweet oil is best for producing gasoline. Heavy sour (high sulfur) oil produces less gasoline unless extra processing steps are taken, which many refineries are not set up for. Here is an article about a company that specializes in refining sour crude and is making big profits as a result, as the sweet/sour price spread has greatly increased lately [Econbrowser link].

I have learned that the Gulf of Mexico produces both sweet and sour grades. The better grades are called Louisiana Sweet, both heavy (HLS) and light (LLS). The sour crude is called Mars. There are separate pipelines for dealing with the different grades and separate refining facilities. I haven't found any figures on the mix or percentage production of the two grades. It may vary depending on market demand.

Another thing I learned is that most OPEC crude is relatively sour. Saudi Arabian oil is light sweet but most of the rest of the oil producing countries don't have such high grades. Mars, the sour crude from the Gulf, is pretty comparable to Dubai crude and also similar to the North Slope Alaskan crude. There's a lot of sour oil in the world, most of it is not the champaigne that comes out of Saudi sands. It's a mistake to think that sour oil is no good. It is still usable, it's just not as nice as the sweet grades. That's one reason for the increase in the price difference, as the sour gets cheaper it becomes more economical as a substitute for sweeter grades. It's about $15 less per barrel now.

The bottom line is that most places don't produce oil as light and sweet as Saudi Arabia, and that probably includes the gulf. I gather that a substantial part is the sour Mars grade. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve is about 2/3 sour and 1/3 sweet, and that is probably not too different from the mix of crudes produced domestically in the U.S.