Peak Oil and Community Solutions Conference (Friday)

I'm currently at the 2nd annual Peak Oil and Community Solutions Conference. I think I'm going to try and break my report up into three pieces, one per day of the conference to keep it manageable. These are getting posted after the conference is over, but each day's report was written right after the conference that day, and then just lightly edited for correctness later. You'll see the evolution through the conference. This is the first report, covering Friday.

Richard Heinberg giving the keynote speech.

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For background, I work in the high-tech industry, and live in San Francisco. The conference is in Yellow Springs, Ohio, which is a tiny little town in the midwest. So that's culture shock #1. And this conference very much draws the eco-sustainability wing of the peak oil movement, so that's culture shock #2. The crowd here will cheer at the mention of Hugo Chavez's name, or at the idea that we definitely should not solve this problem by building any more nuclear power plants. I suspect those sentiments will not have been expressed much at Roscoe Bartlett's peak oil conference.

It's an interesting thing about the peak oil movement that it completely cuts across the traditional political spectrum and makes for strange bedfellows. To a certain extent, you've either drunk the koolaid, and you're obsessed and more-or-less frightened and ready to collaborate with anyone who shares your views on this issue, regardless of what they might think about gay marriage or abortion, or you haven't and you won't. Yet still there are discernable left/right/eco crowds within the movement. Here we have the eco crowd.

Yellow Springs, population 4000, is close to Springfield, and slightly less close to Dayton. So it's very much the Midwest around here: decaying industry, all the jobs moved to Asia, big petro-agriculture. But the houses are incredibly affordable and it's pretty: everything is green in September and there are lots of trees. I think it's the kind of place James Kunstler would approve of: rain-fed, horse-powered agriculture would work great here: lot's of good soil still, and an excellent growing climate. Small towns that can be rehabilititated. The only downer is going to be staying warm in the cold, cold winters. So a good place to come to focus on community responses to peak oil.

The main drag in Yellow Springs.

Ohio cornfield and farm just outside Yellow Springs.

Yellow Springs seems to have as its cultural heart Antioch College, which is a small and very cool and progressive liberal arts college. It was shaped a lot by it's president in the 20s and 30s Arthur Morgan, a famous communitarian. Morgan was deeply concerned by the trend of increasing large cities and the loss of rural life and small communities. He founded a non-profit, Community Service, Inc, to work on this issue. They have existed for 65 years, but recently discovered peak oil, and realized, "Oh, it's fossil fuels that have been driving the trend we were created to oppose. And now the fossil fuels are going away - we have something to offer in solving this problem." And part of what they are offering is this conference.

This first conference last year drew 212 people, according to Faith Morgan, one of the organizers. This year is up to 450. That's 112% annual growth - not bad. The crowd is very knowledgeable and involved. At one point Heinberg asked how many people had either given a speech or written an article about Peak Oil. It looked to me like about two-thirds of the hands went up.

The conference kicked off with introductions from organizers Megan Quinn and Pat Murphy, and then moved to the keynote speaker Richard Heinberg - long time Peak Oil author (including "The Party's Over", and "Powerdown"). Heinberg gave an excellent and engaging overview of the problem which I won't cover too much here, since it will be very familiar to regular Oil Drum readers. Instead I'll pick a few highlights that struck me.

One of his best laugh lines was speaking of ordinary newspaper readers who read the phrase "proven reserves", and think that "there must be somebody doing the proving; some global oil cop who goes round with a giant dipstick and sticks it in the ground and measures that stuff."

He drives a 25 year old Mercedes Benz which he mostly fuels with bio-diesel. But he doesn't believe biofuels are a scalable solution due to the land requirement (I thoroughly agree). He put it a very interesting way. At some point, if we go down that road, it's going to be more profitable to use land for making fuel than growing food. Rich people will pay $20/gallon to have gas, and we'll have hundreds of millions of people starving so a few million people can drive.

He sees the poor government response to Hurricane Katrina as a metaphor for the likely response to Peak Oil - too little, too late, so a lot of unpleasant consequences. It's not that peak oil is insoluble, in his view, it's that we won't do what it takes in time.

At the end of his presentation, he gave a list of resources and he plugged the Oil Drum, as a particularly good way to stay up-to-date!

In the Q&A afterwards, a questioner asked about nuclear energy. Heinberg basically said that while nuclear power plants could indeed be helpful, he felt that it would take a long time to ramp up the necessary changes, and nuclear power was also something that required a tremendous level of technical competence and organization to build and maintain. Thus in a world that was becoming less complex and more local, it was hard to see how it could be a major part of the solution.

Another questioner gave a comment to the effect that there's hardly any uranium reserves anyway and nuclear power wouldn't be cost effective without large subsidies - renewables such as wind were more cost effective. I don't believe either of those things are true, but he got applause.

And that led me to reflect. I think the attendees at this conference would a) not want to do nuclear, b) not want to do large scale LQHCs and coal because of global warming, and in general c) go back to a simpler, more local biomass based society, augmented by wind and solar were they aren't too environmentally damaging. Now, I haven't investigated it carefully enough yet, but my gut feel is that a society that low in energy usage could not feed 6.5 billion on the way to 9-10 billion people. Before 1750 we were feeding less than 1 billion people with biomass and wind energy, and there were plenty of famines. The efficiency of photosynthesis has not changed in the meantime.

So I think that's going to be my mission while I'm here amongst the eco-folks. I'm going to see if I can find somebody who can give me a convincing quantitative argument that there's a way to organize a society of 10 billion humans who all get fed reasonably without using fossil fuels and without using nuclear energy. You can talk till you're blue in the face about local sustainability on the village scale, but if there isn't a path to doing it on a global scale without massive die-off, then it's not a good direction to try and go in.

Very interesting and insightful commentary, Stuart. I think that the point you raise is a very interesting one.

I run a Spanish speaking website about PO and energy resources, so I get asked all the time about the possible solutions. I've met the people from Community Solutions and Richard Heinberg and I think they are sincere and well meaning, and in a way, I think they do what they can to bring solutions to the problem. In our forums, we got responses all across the spectrum you mention. From people that plan to run for the mountains, to people that is young and is preparing professionally for a new energy paradigm (we have also our share of cornucopians, but discussions with them is quite boring).

Faced with the choice of a simpler way, even knowing that it won't suffice to feed 8 billion people in a few decades, I believe a lot of people would choose that path. Egoism or shortsightedness? I don't know, but it's the way the mind works, faced with a global scale problem that is going to burn your mind trying to solve it, there's always the well tested exit of "taking care of yourself and your kin" (even if that's not going to last much).

I've been thinking for a long time (well, just 5 years, but very intensive thinking!) about this issue, and if I have learned something is that there are no magic solutions, even if we could have the guarantee that the decision making would be confined to "rational parameters" (heck, we wouldn't even agree on what means that!).

Anyway, I think being informed is never a bad thing, so I agree with you, people must know that going back to small communities is not going to be enough. You mentioned how the PO movement cuts across many mindsets, I would add that we need more "crossthinking", perhaps sometime thinking that comes as a bit self contradictory. An example: I am against building new nuclear reactors, but I am against early decommissioning of working plants (as ecologists want). I also recognize that (save for a total collapse), markets should be an important drive in the quest for solutions but I won't buy the cornucopianism that just fails to recognize that energy resources are not just like another commodity.

The slogan is "Think globally, but act locally." My perception is that the "act locally" part is getting far more attention than the "think globally" part amongst eco-sustainability folks. It's quite possible, however, that I'm just ignorant and haven't found the right resources yet (in which case hopefully some better informed ODer will point them out). The most quantitative work I'm aware of on how much food can be produced by intensive human agriculture is by John Jeavons of Ecology Action in his various books. But I'm not aware of it being scaled to any kind of global estimate.
Another slogan is "Think brutally, act carefully." If you are afraid to adopt this as your maxim, you are not a white nationalist ecofascist.
I would be happy to find even 10 people around me that thought the same way as I did about peak-oil, or even thought about it at all. At this point I  can't even begin to think globally about this, as I can barely start to figure out what I personally should be doing. I can't change the direction of the city of Chicago, but I can get myself out of the city of Chicago and prepare as I see fit. I am not the captain of this ship so I feel no obligation to go down with it (although I may have no choice).

What I am trying to say is I don't think this problem is solvable on a global scale, but ONLY on a local scale. Perhaps if we try to solve the issues locally the global aspect will take care of itself (doubt it).

YES! Exactly what I'm saying. While we may have some idealized desire to save the entire world, we cannot and probably should not--even if one ignores the cost to oneself. However, a careful understanding of the consequences of acting locally should be taken into account. (for example, burning local coal deposits has a global effect... as does overpopulating... and artifically supporting populations beyond the carrying capacity). But to think that we can or should act globally is erroneous, even as I right this things may have passed a societal tipping point that will inexorably lead to some ecological tipping points, but I like to operate "as if" my local choices will make a difference, even if only to my mental stability and spiritual growth.
Each to his own, but for myself I'm interested in analyzing and advocating strategies that will actually work. Whether you "think local" types like it or not, we are all in this together. A major die-off will be a complete disorderly crapshoot, and no strategy is guaranteed to get you through it. So we all have a strong interest in finding strategies that work for (almost) all of us.
I wouldn't really describe myself as a think local type, more as a do what is practical type. And right now, while less then 1% of 1% of the population is even considering the issues presented on the oil drum, it doesn't seem practical to think in a global way. While you're out there in the street screaming its the end of civilization as we know, people arn't going to listen to you. They want their McDonalds and Survivor. They will listen when the crap starts to hit the fan, but by then you are already in the middle of the crap shoot. I hope to god I am wrong, but this is my gut feeling at the moment.
"If we're all in the same boat, then it's going to sink"

I don't think that supporting 6.2 billion, let alone, 10 billion people is a reality without technological miracles. And since an age of contraction and decreasing energy such miracles will be less likely to occur I think we are better off preparing for a shrinking population.

Why are so many people so determined to preserve populations? Could it be that die-off may be the one thing that saves our planet for future generations?

But then one gets to the question, would I be so ready to accept this solution if I was the one dieing-off? I'm not so sure if I would. In that case, being white and from America, am I not saying that my life has more value than someone from China, India or Africa?

I would argue that since I had no choice as to where I live and where other's live I am simply advocating the natural remedies to overshoot, and sooner than complete overshoot might perscribe. Can I ever be totally absolved from the fact that my continued life is based on the ending of other's lives? Not at all. But if that fact is held in reverance, and one never advocates for violence to others because "I am better," then I think there is something noble about trying to find a way that works (at least for a lot longer than techno-society). I cannot control what the entire world does, and even if I could, would I want to feed everyone? Probably not, because overshoot (imposed by nature/2nd law of thermodynamics) will become a reality eventually, to one degree or another.

Please don't cite thermodynamics as a reason for energy scarcity. We have orders of magnitude more energy coming in from the sun than our total energy usage today. Thermodynamics has nothing to say about sustainability at current levels of resource usage.

Here's a way to put it in perspective: The sun shines with an intensity of about a kilowatt per square meter. Solar cells can collect an average of maybe a kilowatt per ten square meters.

Crops collect about one or two kilowatts per acre.

If we had an effective solar technology, we would not be short of energy. Wind already looks like a good investment, and it's not all that energy-dense. To store solar, use pumped water for the electric grid, and the new charge-in-a-minute batteries for cars (or even just plug-in hybrids).

Don't forget the immense potential of wave-power and high efficiency (big potential savings for heating and cooling buildings) of geothermal heat pumps.
...wait, I just read about algae diesel. If the paper at http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html is correct, then that can produce 66 kW per acre. More than an order of magnitude better than, say, switchgrass.

Still almost an order of magnitude worse than solar cells. But it's sounding halfway reasonable to get energy by growing stuff.

I wonder how fast the algae would grow if supplied with concentrated CO2 in closed tanks? This might be a way of reducing the environmental impact of carbon-heavy fossil fuels. Not as good as sequestration, but at least you'd get to use the carbon twice rather than once.

Chris

Now you're getting it.  How about co-locating a coal-fired electrical plant with an algal biodiesel pond complex?  Use the exhaust from the power plant to feed the the ponds.  You're right that you wouldn't take the carbon out of circulation, but you do get to use it twice.  If we end up using a lot more coal for electricity as I think we will, this could help dampen the environmental impact.

BTW, uou also need to fertilize the algae.  Look below for my pig-farm idea...

While we're talking eco-nirvanas, I'll mention that I see a lot of good land planted in ornamentals here in southern California.  Our condominium complex has 40 acres of greenbelt.  As long as we have water coming I think we could offset a good part of our food imports.

On the other hand, if peak oil coincides with peak water for us, we'll be in big trouble.

how much of your water is free flowing and how much is arrived by pumping (electricity) And how much of your electricity is from natural gas?  Water may be the first problem in a blackout/brownout situation brought about by energy infrastructure dislocation. Heinberg mentioned as much in his speech - he talked about Scottsdale AZ where they pump their water up from a 2000 ft deep groundtable..How do you that without power?
Oh, I know much is pumped at one time or another (most is "stolen" from up north).  I'm just assuming that water delivery would be the last and most valuable use of our in-state electricity.  FWIW, the breakdown of my local electricity sources is at the link below.  We get a surprising amount from non-oil/gas sources even now:

http://odograph.com/?p=114

By the way, I've been looking for a web page I've seen before.  It is about some fanatic gardeners up in Pasadena or Altadena or someplace, who grow litterally tons of food in a small suburban lot.  The do use a LOT of water though.

Ha! Found it.  My memory isn't quite shot yet:

http://www.pathtofreedom.com


By the way, I've been looking for a web page I've seen before.  It is about some fanatic gardeners up in Pasadena or Altadena or someplace, who grow litterally tons of food in a small suburban lot.  The do use a LOT of water

They don't have to use a lot of water though... not if they use drip irrigation... and even 'less' if they use 'grey water' for the drip irrigation. They use NOTHING per ton of food produced compared to flood irrigation like up in the central valley.

Peak Oil & Peak Water are similar in concept... think of your typical suburban yard as a big wet green SUV...

Thanks for sharing news from the Conference!  With oil and natural gas peaking, and the current global population being an expression of every-increasing supplies of cheap, reliable petro-energy (particularly with regard to agriculture, food processing, transportation and storage) on the upslope side of the curve, I don't think we have a CHOICE about avoiding the human population die-back.  It's going to happen anyway.  Norman O Brown estimates the earth's longterm carrying capacity without oil and natural gas is between 1 & 2 billion.  The only question is how steep will the downslope to that number be.  Our choice --if we have one-- is to do what we can to make it a gentler decline.      
FWIW, a quick check shows China having a population of 400M in 1910.  I really don't think we face a future as dark as China circa 1910, famines, etc. ... but it shows what intensive, manual, agriculture can achieve.
The single biggest factor in projections of population die-backs is a falloff in agricultural production due to a lack of nitrate fertilizer.

This just does not have to happen.  Our current corn production is made with about 77 pounds of nitrogen per acre.  But we produce upwards of 2 tons of crop wastes per acre of corn; if it can be used to produce as little as 2.5% of its weight in fixed nitrogen, the fertilizer problem disappears.

My own thinking is that this could easily be made into a non-problem.  If a ton of corn stover can be made into 25% of its weight of charcoal (an underestimate),

#$*&!!... clicked the wrong thing.

My own thinking is that this could easily be made into a non-problem.  If a ton of corn stover can be made into 25% of its weight of charcoal (an underestimate), that would make 500 pounds of carbon.  A pound of carbon cycled through thermochemical zinc production followed by oxidizing the zinc with water produces 1/6 pound of hydrogen, and the carbon monoxide output from the zinc process can be shift-converted to hydrogen (CO + H2O -> CO2 + H2) and yield another 1/6 pound of hydrogen.  The total potential yield from the ton of crop waste is around 167 pounds of hydrogen, which can fix about 780 pounds of nitrogen.

When half the crop waste from an acre can be used to fix enough nitrogen to fertilize ten acres, you don't have a problem; you have a business opportunity.

So let me ask the question I always ask about free lunches - why aren't farmers doing this already? And wouldn't our eighteenth century ancestors already be taking such a simple low-tech measure as composting their wastes? Why were they streaming out of Europe in desperation and instigating massive timber rationing in Japan if they were only at a small fraction of the population carrying capacity of the land with the technology they had?

I should stress, lest anyone missed it earlier, that I am quite ignorant about low-input sustainable agriculture. I don't pretend for a moment to know that it is impossible for this to be done. But just knowing a little bit of history, I see an obvious inconsistency, and I am hoping the experts have figured this out and someone will point me to why it's not what it looks like. So far, the experts I have met have not known the answer, but maybe I just haven't found the right experts. I am willing to believe that we have discovered new ways to massively increase yields that our ancestors didn't know, other than just throwing energy at the problem, but I'd like to know specifically what they are. Basically, I just want to know that this has really been thought through before I accept that folks should charge off in that direction (as some are advocating very strongly as you'll see in my report tomorrow). So far, I've seen a lot of fuzzy thinking.

Do the Amish tell us anything here? How many people/total acres does Amish agriculture feed compared to industrial agriculture?

TANSTAAFL, baby.
So let me ask the question I always ask about free lunches...
It's not a free lunch.  It requires fairly advanced processing.
why aren't farmers doing this already?
Because the Haber process is apparently not easy to reduce to a small scale (or not economical), and natural gas has been a much cheaper feedstock than crop wastes.  The latter may no longer be true, which would affect the economics of the former as well.
And wouldn't our eighteenth century ancestors already be taking such a simple low-tech measure as composting their wastes?
This is not composting; it is a process for fixing nitrogen on an industrial scale, and is completely inorganic.

Again, the "dieoff" scenario assumes that mechanized agriculture will collapse because we won't have the fuel to fix the nitrogen or run the equipment.  Fortunately for the world's population, farms can make do on stuff that we're leaving to rot.  If you look at this Nebraska calculation of fuel use, total fuel requirements are less than 6 gallons/acre (50 lbs/acre).  Such a small demand could be satisfied easily using gasogenes turning waste-derived charcoal into fuel gas to run existing engines.

Do the Amish tell us anything here?
They don't figure in this context.
My apologies - I didn't read what you were proposing carefully enough. I think I get it now. I have two questions about it. One obviously would be the economics and energetics of transporting the corn waste to some plant large enough (or building enough small plants) and then transporting the fertilizer back and applying it. The other would be the effect of loss of all the crop residue by burning it for fertilizer. Organic agriculture tends to depend heavily on soil humus to hold nutrients. In your scheme, that would not be available. Also, plants typically get fertilized with potassium and phosphorus as well as nitrogen...
I have two questions about it. One obviously would be the economics and energetics of transporting the corn waste to some plant large enough (or building enough small plants) and then transporting the fertilizer back and applying it.
  1. Crop waste could be reduced to charcoal on-site, reducing its mass by at least 70% and the transportation costs similarly.
  2. There does not appear to be any inherent minimum size limit for a Haber plant, and modern technologies like medical oxygen concentrators (which could be used to make nearly-pure nitrogen in the space of a dehumidifier) may offer ways to make them very small indeed.  The question is the economics.
  3. Transportation costs are unlikely to be an issue; N. American natural gas shortages have resulted in the US importing nitrate from overseas.  Compared to the weight and bulk of the crop that we export, the fertilizer is nothing.
The other would be the effect of loss of all the crop residue by burning it for fertilizer.
One reference I've found claims that residue over about 1 ton/acre begins to cause problems by slowing the warming of the soil in spring; the excess corn stover (which needs to be plowed in or removed) runs to about 2.5 tons/acre at 150 bu/ac yield.

Burning the residue doesn't necessarily remove all its nutrients; potash and phosphorus remain in the ash IIRC and can just be spread on the surface.

Organic agriculture tends to depend heavily on soil humus to hold nutrients. In your scheme, that would not be available.
No-till systems leave the roots in the soil and don't promote oxidation by plowing them up, and there's the 1 t/ac residue left on the surface.
Also, plants typically get fertilized with potassium and phosphorus as well as nitrogen..
Nutrients removed in any form will have to be replaced.  Nitrogen is the one with the big energy budget, and I've shown that it's far less of a problem than the pessimists claim.

Sure, we'll have a problem if we act like idiots and fail to do anything.  Moral:  don't act like idiots.

It would be interesting to see a pilot of your system to see how practice conforms to theory.
"He sees the poor government response to Hurricane Katrina as a metaphor for the likely response to Peak Oil - too little, too late, so a lot of unpleasant consequences. It's not that peak oil is insoluble, in his view, it's that we won't do what it takes in time."

At the core of the peak oil issue is this question--how well will we, individually and collectively, respond to this looming challenge.  While I am certain that peak oil will be nasty, brutish, and anything but short, I am confident that we will find a way to avoid a die-off and the collapse of societies.

Heinberg using the post-Katrina debacle as a metaphor is a little too cute for my taste.  Clinton's FEMA handled disasters (but clearly smaller ones), vastly better than we're seeing now.  Why not use that earlier experience as a model to say, "See?  When faced with a disaster we really can pull together and do the right thing.  Bush's screw-up was an anomaly."

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"But he doesn't believe biofuels are a scalable solution due to the land requirement (I thoroughly agree). He put it a very interesting way. At some point, if we go down that road, it's going to be more profitable to use land for making fuel than growing food. Rich people will pay $20/gallon to have gas, and we'll have hundreds of millions of people starving so a few million people can drive."

This is a classic case of two different logical errors rolled into one position.

First is this implicit notion that any useful contribution to our energy future has to be very highly scalable.  Our energy future is going to be "D and D" as I like to say--diversified and decentralized.  We'll have a lot of solar collectors in places like the US southwest and Mexico, and wind turbines where it's windy, and wave power on coastlines, and a lot of biofuels where it makes sense.  Can we replace all of our current motor fuel consumption with just biofuels?  Hell no, but we won't have to--a lot of transportation will be run on electricity generated by the non-biofuel sources I just mentioned, plus nuclear.  

Second is the old bugaboo of a linear extrapolation.  In this case, seen as this idea that all future public policy will be dumb as a bag of rocks, leading to a future in which people starve while farm land is creating biofuels.  Where is the evidence that such a mindlessly simple extrapolation and set of assumptions would actually come to pass?  

Our energy future is not wholly predictable.  We can reach conclusions about the supply of various fuels, but once we start to project from that what the future will look like, which fuels we'll use, the mistakes and successes that will line our path, etc., it's insanely easy to make bad assumptions or overlook the interaction between factors (like transportation demand moving to electricity and putting a much heavier burden on a system that's already in a precarious situation in the US).

Heinberg using the post-Katrina debacle as a metaphor is a little too cute for my taste.  Clinton's FEMA handled disasters (but clearly smaller ones), vastly better than we're seeing now.  Why not use that earlier experience as a model to say, "See?  When faced with a disaster we really can pull together and do the right thing.  Bush's screw-up was an anomaly."

I felt this Katrina shadow on peak oil myself in the week or two after.  I've bounced back to my normal semi-optimism, but I can still ask the central question:

If we're so good on peak oil, where is our progress?

In my opinion, until we can actually reduce the oil consumption per capita, we are just talking.  We are all hat, no cattle.

Talk is cheap.  If we're looking at $100/bbl oil and $20/unit natural gas by December we're out of time.  The middle class is going to start having to make decisions between eating and heating, eating and driving, and they aren't going to like it much.  And when demand destruction starts meaning old people freezing to death or not being able to afford drugs or food then things could get ugly.
You're absolutely right.

The crime is that plug-in hybrids would let us cogenerate with our fuel, letting us get both heat and motion out of the same petroleum/natural gas (they would be interchangeable).  $2.00/therm natural gas fed to a 25% efficient cogenerator and a 350 Wh/mile GO-HEV yields ~21 miles of driving as well as .75 therms of space heat; if the car would otherwise have gotten 35 MPG on $3.00/gallon gasoline, each therm saves $1.80 in motor fuel and the net cost of the natural gas is about 27¢/therm (after the extra fuel required to make up for the electric conversion is taken into account).

Such a system could save our butts over the next 10 years, easy.  Is it time to get started yet?

Odograph-up the Prozac dose, have a couple of cups of coffee, and continue the fight.

We are wrestling with a tough issue. There is real value to the talk that occurs here--no one yet has enough knowledge to know exactly what or when it will occur. As messy and inadequate as it seems, we're at the forefront of knowledge here. That will bear fruit over time, in ways that are hard to predict.

Yes, we need to cut consumption, but the situation is tougher than that, as you know. If all we do is cut consumption, we're still toast, because it will not be enough. We also need to increase supply, and develop feasible alternatives, and reorganise or economies and communities, and ... It will take people of all skills and interests--theorists, geologists, engineers, propagandists, community organizers. From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.

"They" are not going to fix this problem. Any solutions that we [humanity] come up with will be led and informed by the talkers and thinkers. So, lock and load. It's going to be a good fight, and one hell of a ride.

Well, I think we are on a fringe that we can optimistically describe as the "forefront."  The sad thing is the we don't how soon society will wake up, or the direction it will roll when it gets out of bed.

My current feeling is that Kunstler is right about everything up to the degree of catastrophe.  I don't think things will get "that bad" but I'm now pretty sure they will have to get "bad" (recession, job loss) before action is truly initiated.

If you really want to cheer me up, show me something in the gross averages, the national behavior, that is cause for hope.

(Apparently Pres. Bush called for conservation and a curtailment of non-essential driving today.  That offers a glimmer of hope, but just a glimmer.)

Amen!
Just to emphasize the Katrina parallel, things did not go wrong there because there was a lack of plans, a lack of experts, a lack of simulations, or even a lack of National Geogrpahic articles saying exactly what was going to happen.

It was just that nobody got off the stick until we'd been through it once.  The second hurricane was better.

So, I'll give you this you optimists - I'm sure we'll be better at Peak Oil the second time it hits ;-)

To extend the metaphor:

We had never before (or at least in recent memory) experienced a severe hurricane hitting a heavily populated city that subsequently was inundated with flood waters.

We will have never before experienced the decreasing availability of "cheap" energy and the inability to do anything (much) about it that Peak Oil will present.

I'm pretty dark on a lot of the ramifications of peak oil. If we get really lucky, things might look like the 1970's stagflation for a period, and then someone ("they") might pull a big rabbit out of a hat. And, as Wayne Campbell says, "It might happen, tsshyeah, right, and monkeys might fly out of my butt." I think moving backwards towards the 1930's may be more likely, with some grim scenes along the way. I hope we don't descend to Kunstler's feudal warlord society, but many of his assertions have a whiff of truth about them.

So where does the optimism come in? We do know that materialism, beyond a point, doesn't create happiness. I think it's entirely possible for part (only part) of the earth's population to lead simpler, less energy-intensive lives that are fulfilling and happy.

Yeah, we're soft, mentally and physically. I take hope in the fact that all of us are descended from hardy souls who successfully lived, loved, bred, worked, worshipped, and probably laughed a bit with nothing but biomass for fuel. Most of the world still does.

I was going to say I'll probably be less optimistic when I'm eating roast roadkill for dinner. Then I realized that roadkill will be in very short supply ...