Tuesday open thread

Happy Valentine's Day. We luv you too.

(Here's a link in case you need any fodder...)

Update [2006-2-14 13:59:43 by Yankee]: And yet more fodder: U.S. Has Royalty Plan to Give Windfall to Oil Companies

WASHINGTON, Feb. 13 — The federal government is on the verge of one of the biggest giveaways of oil and gas in American history, worth an estimated $7 billion over five years.

New projections, buried in the Interior Department's just-published budget plan, anticipate that the government will let companies pump about $65 billion worth of oil and natural gas from federal territory over the next five years without paying any royalties to the government.

Based on the administration figures, the government will give up more than $7 billion in payments between now and 2011. The companies are expected to get the largess, known as royalty relief, even though the administration assumes that oil prices will remain above $50 a barrel throughout that period.

Energy Outlook Bleak

Michael Zenker, a global gas analyst with Cambridge Energy Research Associates, said natural gas reserves around the world and in America would be the only energy resource that could fill the gap between supply and consumer demand anytime soon.

He warned that not tapping world supplies in places like Indonesia, Yemen, Qatar, Algeria and Russia, or building infrastructure like coastal liquefied natural gas terminals, could prove disastrous for the American economy.

"We were lucky this winter," Zenker said. If it was colder around the country, "we would not have had enough gas supply to meet industrial demand."

...Chris McGill, an analyst for the American Gas Association representing petroleum distributors at the meeting, said an increase in the supply of natural gas is probably not coming anytime soon, and that no other resource is in a position to make up the difference.

"LNG is plan A," McGill said. "There is no plan B."

If LNG is our plan A and we have no Plan B, we really are screwed.

Andrew Weissman took looked real closely at the implications (financially) of a massive LNG strategy

The potential 2025 contribution of LNG imports to the U.S balance of payments deficit is potentially 1 to 2 X the current total U.S. balance of trade deficit, which is at an all time record level (viz., $ 58.3 billion for January of 2005, the most recent month for which data is available). Even for a country with a $ 13 trillion per year Gross Domestic Product (GDP), these are staggering figures.
Over the 20 to 25 year life of these new supply projects, the required payments by U.S. purchasers are likely to total more than the budget for the entire federal government (with over 2.5 million employees) in any one year.

Or the liklihood that supplies will materialize as anticipated

Despite the overall strength of the U.S. economy, the U.S. could be at a significant disadvantage in competing
for these supplies.

We are running the largest trade deficit in U.S. history - and the largest trade deficit of any country in the
world. In part as a direct result, the value of the dollar is expected to continue to decline sharply over the next
several years.

Further, because of our location, for every current producer other than Trinidad, the amount of time a tanker
must travel in order to complete a delivery to the U.S. and therefore the cost of shipping LNG to the U.S.
market is significantly greater than for any other potential customer except Mexico. With tankers potentially
costing up to $ 250 million each, this is a significant disincentive to sell into the U.S. market.

It also means that, by definition, a U.S. manufacturer using LNG will be at a competitive disadvantage to almost
every other manufacturer worldwide, since (due to the shipping cost differential) the cost of LNG delivered to
the U.S. market inevitably will be higher than in any other market in the world.

Or the susceptibility to interruptions this would place us in.

If we rely heavily on LNG imports from West Africa or the Middle East, therefore, and the government in a
host country is overthrown, a strike temporarily shuts down production or, in the case of a Middle East
producer, shipments through the Strait of Hormuz are temporarily blocked, there may be a very real risk that
we'll not be able to keep homes warm in the middle of the winter or that the lights will go out in the summer.

Even if shortages never occur, however, from a pricing standpoint, the potential consequences of a supply
disruption in the LNG market, even for a short period, could also be severe - even if it involves only a single
major LNG project supplying the U.S. market.

THe article is a good read.  LNG really makes no sense as a solution, except to the LNG distributers.

http://www.physics.unc.edu/about/robertsonseminars/weissmanlng.pdf

shouldn't that be "wuv" Yankee?  :)
Maybe if the subject were "I", but "we wuv" just doesn't read right...
Yes, it sounds like you lost your two front teeth.
Or only have two (Bugs Bunny).
I was thinking this morning that it would be interesting to conduct a poll on this website. I figure there is an easier way than just a string of replies to an open thread.

But my idea for a poll is this? What is your view of the net result of Peak Oil. 5 categories ranging from no effect to stone age by 2025. Then what time frame do you envision the net result happening. 5 categories of time frames for that. Then make a nice little matrix of the two.

I just think it would be interesting to see where everyone falls out in the matrix. What's everyone think?

Could be an interesting idea. But you would have to be very careful is depicting your effect "categories." For example, I believe that progressing to a stone age height would be a vast improvement over our current civilization, but not everyone would agree.

As for timing, by 2025 I expect no more than "the greatest depression" - whereas I hold out hope that by 2100 we will have made it to the new stone age.

I'm posting this in response to Matthew Lynn's piece in Bloomberg News.

He said:

Yet raise your eyes from the day-to-day chatter, and the market is more stable than it has been for a long time. The price won't collapse, and it won't soar either. There is nothing trickier than calling the top of a bull market. For oil, however, this looks like it.

CrudePrice2004_6

Two comments:
  • I'm always careful when looking at a moving average, you have to apply a shift of 13 weeks (3 months) to the left because sliding windows are not centered.
  • there was also a plateau in may 2005 but the prices continued to increase afterward.
The way I see it, the 26-week average today is simply a representation of the past 6-months of prices and to some degree the cumulative effect of those prices on the economy.
Same thing they said about the San Andres Fault.  In the FX markets, the biggest moves are always made from the flattest lines.  How long was oil at 20?  

At least thats the catastrophic theorist's viewpoint... all those hidden stresses building up for a break to a new attractor (temporary equilibrium) point.

For those on TOD from the Pacific Northwest, this may be of interest:

For Immediate Release

Date of Release:  Feb. 14, 2006

From:  Willits Economic LocaLization (WELL)

Contact:  Spring Senerchia, 707-459-1256; spring@redinet.org

Subject:  Regional Localization Networking Conference

Improving and coordinating the efforts of groups working towards sustainable, localized economies is the focus of a conference to be held in Willits, CA from April 7-9, 2006.  

The conference aims to share best practices on group organization and activities, develop consistent messages for the public, politicians and business leaders, and foster on-going communication among localization practitioners.  A Saturday evening presentation by David A. Schaller, Sustainable Development Coordinator of the US Environmental Protection Agency is included in the weekend activities.

The "relocalization" movement is especially active in Northern California and Oregon (see:  http://postcarbon.org/_tmp_maps/NorthAmericaOutpostsImageMap.html), and while anyone is welcome to register, preference is given to attendees from this region.  Each local group is encouraged to send one application form with a list of delegates to the conference.  These forms are available at:  http://www.willitseconomiclocalization.org/RLNC.pdf

Willits Economic LocaLization (WELL) sponsors this event.  WELL's mission is to foster the creation of a sustainable economy based on local resources.  (See:  www.willitseconomiclocalization.org).

Hi All,
I find it interesting that there hasn't been a thread yet on James Lovelock's dire prediction about climate change, as published in the Independent on Jan. 16 (unless I missed it?):

Posted on Energy Bulletin - "The world has already passed the point of no return for climate change, and civilisation as we know it is now unlikely to survive, according to James Lovelock"
http://www.energybulletin.net/12126.html

His book Revenge of Gaia is not due for publication in N. America for a month or two, so I suppose that has something to do with it. Still, his views have huge implications for a post-peak-oil society - especially since some think we're going to have to rely on coal for a myriad of uses for a time. Imagine the additional environmental havoc! Anyone read the above article yet? Thoughts? It's brought back that acute sinking feeling in my heart and stomach that I carried around after I found out about PO...I guess I got used to it. My brother has 3 little kids and it gives me shivers to think about what their adulthood will be like. What my "golden years" will be like...

I haven't read the book yet, but the shorter summaries of his argument on the web don't make a lot of sense to me. There's a nice essay on it over at Real Climate. They're fairly sceptical too, but of course their scepticism is better informed.
Saying we are past the point of no return will be pounced on by the business as usual crowd. It is like telling someone dieing of lung cancer to quit smoking. It wouldn't do him any good to quit now so let's keep smoking those fossil fuels. Anybody got a match?
Civilisation a century will be very different than now just like civilisation now is very different than 1906. Life for the average person could be much better than now.
I kind of like this idea:

http://www.emagazine.com/view/?3066

Well, except maybe the chickens.  Bird flu, y'know.  ;-)

Seriously, it seems like a reasonable way to cover your bets, without spending too much money.  If the energy crunch doesn't start to bite for 50 years, you haven't given up your job, etc.  If the zombie hoards are roaming within five years, well, at least you have neighbors to help you defend your vegetable patch.  :-/

Bird Flu...Hum.. I am planning on adding chickens this spring as the easiest way to add a ready source of protein. Last year I replaced some flowers with vegetables and hope to expand that this year. My chickens will be laying hens of heritage varieties as I can see myself getting too attached to ever butcher them! I though about the bird flu angle a lot. But it seems that avian flu is primarily spread by migrating water fowl and is not in the songbird population. I am not near any waterfowl flyways and my toney neighborhood does not have any other farm animals for miles. I live in what was once farmland and my little patch of ground is still zoned agricultural although I am now surrounded by MacMansions. Hopefully I will be able to vacinate my chickens against avian flu as a precaution; I understand that chicken vacines have been developed.
In Europe, the order is vaccinate them and to keep them in a totally enclosed house or pen (with side and overhead chickenwire) so they can't mix with the free rangers.  Lots of complaints about building the required structures.
I have to have wire pens with mesh overhead anyway, because I have two pair of hawks nesting in my woods......
Two thoughts on this...
Having actually kept chickens for a few years, they seem to react in enclosed spaces much like rats and humans-- they start tearing at each other's feathers and generally exhibit stress due to crowding.  Our chickens, (circa 1997-2000), were free range during the day, were absolutely healthy and produced eggs too large to fit in a carton.  Our rooster seemed to keep them all safe in a habitat that included dogs, coyotes, feral cats and snakes.  (They also all had names and distinct personalities).
OTOH...all the avian flu sites I keep up with report today of confirmed cases as far north in the EU as the Baltic Sea.  I have no idea if the vaccine that the Asian countries are using is effective or not, at this point, but I would think that sooner or later federal action/local hysteria would demand that you cull.  I think it's pretty iffy right now.
Things not looking so comfy with Cantarell:

Mexican oil output could drop sharply - report

Re: IEA, Lynch
High prices have bolstered investment that will lead to a 2.2 million-barrel-a-day increase in the amount of oil that can be produced, the Paris-based International Energy Agency said. Global consumption will rise 1.78 million barrels a day. Prices plunged this week after the Energy Department said U.S. oil and fuel inventories were above normal for this time of year.

``The IEA report confirms the bearish sentiment in the market,'' said Michael Lynch, president of Strategic Energy & Economic Research in Winchester, Massachusetts. ``Inventories are more than adequate, but geopolitical worries have been supporting prices. We haven't heard anything inflammatory from Iran's president recently.''

When was the last time IEA said oil supplies would stay flat or drop? Michael Lynch is bearish on oil prices. Well, that's news! So, why is the G8 so worried?
With booming growth in China and India absorbing oil, attention has been focused on the effect of rising demand in pushing up oil prices. The Group of 8, a club of the world's richest capitalist democracies and Russia, meeting Saturday in an icy, mist-covered Moscow, focused instead on the extremely tight supply around the world.

"We're all concerned about the risk of rising energy prices and what they do to global growth," John W. Snow, the United States treasury secretary, said after the meeting at a hotel....

Oil-importing countries, including the United States, would like to see producing nations increase supplies on world markets, easing prices even as China and other quickly developing economies burn more oil.

A recent jump in Russian oil production -- by 10 percent or more a year at some companies -- compensated for growth in Chinese demand early this decade. But overall supply is expected to grow only about 2 percent next year.

Now, where exactly is that 2.2/mbpd coming from? Only the IEA knows. And consumption will be an extra 1.78/mbpd. So, that's a whopping spare capacity of 0.42/mbpd. And that, my friends, is the reason why inventories are so high. Everybody is guarding against supply shortfalls. Then these clowns turn around and drop the price because inventories are high.

I ask Shaw's question. Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

"And that, my friends, is the reason why inventories are so high. Everybody is guarding against supply shortfalls. Then these clowns turn around and drop the price because inventories are high."

Bingo!  The basic model of how the market works, esp. in terms of the role played by inventories, is changing as we (s)peak, and the commodities traders haven't noticed yet.

With the news that Iran has begun centrifuging uranium, plus all the oil and natural gas stats everyone here can cite ad infinitum, one would expect the market prices of oil and NG to be significantly higher.

It will happen, eventually, but the sooner the prices start to rise before there are supply disruptions, the better.

I agree Lou.

People are just trading on trends and perception.  I am more convinced than ever that only a shock, due to scarcity, will wake people up to how fragile our supply is.  People just expect energy to be there, no matter what the cost.  And if there is any surplus in storage than the price has to go down due to over supply.  No thoughts at all about our need 1,2 or 3 months ahead.

At this point I truly do not think most people can comprehend scarcity.  It might get expensive but if I borrow the money in winter "they" will deliver my gas or oil.  I will pay for it later.  If everybody has this mindset, price is not going to do much in the short run to prevent scarcity when demand finally overtakes supply.  

We have been lucky this winter.  What about next winter when supply will be even tighter?  I worry about the herd mentality.  Everything is just fine now but could turn to panic very quickly with a shock.

Makes it a good time to re-fill the SPR, though.
That's exactly why shocks occur.  Tell me anything of significance that happened gradually other than biologic evolution.  I take it back, supposedly the dinos died off in just a couple million years or so.  Short geologically speaking.  Maybe you could even call bioevolution gradual, at least until man hit the planet.  Hell, even evolution's gonna' change soon.  Now that I think about it... the, "Slow Squeeze", must be a toss-away scenario.  The slow squeeze part is what's happening inside the every day to day white noise.  When something pops, it breaks out of the noise and ... then the lemmings get it .. thats when its run for your life (or death, as the case may be).
Well, how many "1929s" where there in the 20th century?  How many fuel crisises?  How many real estate crashes?

A handful, at most, in a century.

We are driven to understand the "breaks" but "continuity" remains both the norm, and the statistical answer.

Good point. The bit with the "budget plan" where payments are spread out only hides the scarcity - and gives companies a chance to bilk consumers. A lot of my coworkers are on that "budget plan" which is really a case of what I call creative financing. One of those laws of economics I noticed is that increasingly creative financing only raises the price of the item financed. Housing and new bizarre loan schemes come to mind.

Those coworkers on the "budget plan" aren't thinking about scarcity at all. They figure on "pay them and it will come"! This with "budget plans" or any other creative financing should be outlawed so you pay as you go per month, just like your car and the dreaded gas pump. As we know here, NG is not exempt from peaking and scarcity.

BTW, I have thought of a way to ship natural gas with normal oil tankers. You make it into diesel. You can use the diesel to heat homes, use it in transport systems, etc. Some NG at origin point can be made into gasoline for cars. No need for going around with LNG as cold as liquid air. Time to re-nozzle home heating systems... again! Yes, you waste petroleum energy in converting NG to heavier hydrocarbons, but no need to waste energy again to heat a ridiculously cold liquid. And oil tankers aren't as tempting as LNG tankers.

Why is any fuel needed to reheat a cryogenic fluid. Fuel is needed to keep it a liquid in transport but at the regasification point all that is needed is a large heat exchanger with the wind blowing through it. It could even be used to chill water for a large air conditioning system.
You're right -if you want to reclaim the energy of refrigeration. Your idea of using the cold to do a giant A/C system will work. But alas, the heat to be added will likely outstrip the heat sink needs of any A/C system I can think of, except for a BIG LOX plant at a spaceport. Since spaceports don't exist or citywide chillwater systems for that matter, some energy ends up being wasted to heat the LNG, even seawater pumps to use ocean water to dissipate the cold.

What a waste. Energy to chill NG to cryoliquid, energy wasted keeping it cold, and energy wasted to reheat it. That's why we would be better off making the NG into room-temp liquid and load it onto existing tankers. If you need room-temp gas fuel, you could convert methane to ethane or propane which can be held liquid at room temp albeit pressurised. For "natural gas" users, ethane would work out best. Pump out the liquid from the bottom of the tanker, and let it reboil in the pipe. Doing that with a cryoliquid would create artificial permafrost!

Anybody out there involved with coalbed methane, landfill gas, or anaerobic digester projects in/around the Northeast US?  I'm trying to find out if there is a real demand for developing these kinds projects right now, or are the ones that exist mostly in a research stage.    
COUNTRYSIDE POWER INCOME FUND has mostly US landfill gas project in their portfolio.  ALGONQUIN POWER INCOME FUND has a nice interest (perhaps 10%) in US landfill gas projects.

Both would proably be commercially interested in any specific project you have in mind.

No specific project in mind, I'm just looking into possible new ways to use my civil/environmental engineering skills.  Right now my company is mostly focused on redevelopment projects on contaminated sites (including landfills), but we have a lot of skills that I think are applicable to methane generation/recovery projects.  This could be a new source of clients/work for the company if there is really a demand for it.  Also, it could be a way to keep the business going to some extent if the re-development work drops off due to higher energy prices.
Replying to Ridge on anaerobic digesters.  I have been working on anaerobic digesters and "bioreactor landfill" landfill gas projects for 35 years now (you can "google" Yolo County California Landfill and bring up a lot of stuff.  My initials are DA.  And that is only a small part of the stuff for illustration).  

Landfill gas  Over 1000 MWe of electricity are being generated today from landfill gas, referred to in the waste landfill trade as "LFG".  It can readily fuel piston engines and turbine prime movers. Potential is for 3-5x this via better technology, which is coming into play at Yolo County CA and elsewhere.  Thus the US potential for landfill gas is between 150,000 and 250,000 barrels oil equivalent (BOE) per day.  Plus you are addressing global warming by more efficiently recovering  methane that is tenfold the potency of carbon dioxide on a volume basis.  The energy potential is large simply because of the large amount of waste > 150,000,000 tons of largely organic material that the US landfills each year.   This much waste can make a lot of methane. Without getting into detail, I will just say that, in essence, there is still a lot of potential for more development and optimization of LFG technlogy.  There are problems to be overcome--for example effects of gaseous silicon compounds (of all things) that leave deposits in combustion systems.  

Sewage  Methane from sewage is about 20% of the energy potential of methane from LFG. and use is very roughly 50'% of the amount collected

Manure  The biggest developer of manure digesters in the western hemisphere has been RCM digesters and Mark 'Moser of Berkeley/Oakland, who we (IEM, Inc and Yolo County) talk to regularly.  The exploitation of manure to methane is much less advanced than LFG, with the exploited potential of manure methane (or biogas) being under 5% , but the business today is booming, such that there is a large backlog for RCM and others installing digester systems.  Manure solids and convertibility make the methane potential roughly 2x that of landfill gas

These biomethane sources are to date best suited to local use and primarily electricity genration, although  a little bit of pipeline gas is made. In our big study for California Dairy farmers we document the use of biogas in fueling vehicles in the 'European Union.  Google Westen United Regional Dairymen (WURD) and methane.  

Steve Andrews of ASPO-USA has called these technlogies "silver bb's"  which is a great term for energy resource that is smaller than a silver bullet.  

Based on manure, sewage and solid waste solids available to make methane, I would give the net energy potential of these resources together at over 500,000 boe per day for the US. The climate benefit can be enormous because of methane's greenhouse potency.  In addition atmospheric methane is also connected in a complex way to the Antarctic polar "ozone hole" (Blake and Rowland) and there are a lot of other angles to this.

Just viewed a DVD release of the 1973 classic "Soylent Green" starring Charles Heston and Edward G. Robinson.  The director commentary included in the special features was particularly interesting.  Most depressing is that awareness was raised in the 1970s by this film, the oil boycott, books on ecology and the environment, etc., but little effective action resulted. Yet here we are again, the issues and consequences better defined than ever (thanks TOD!), and yet the inertia of society seems to relentlessly propel it towards a "soylent green" future, or worse.
Hence J. M. Keynes' observation about the short run being all that matters because in the long run we're all dead anyway.

This is why we need education about our energy situation and good public policy--to fight the natural tendency of people to focus on their immediate sitution and not extend their planning horizon.

I am beginning to become bored with being a pedantic old fart, but shucks, character is fate:

Keynes never said the long run does not matter. He made a one-liner put-down quip.

Keynes thought that the long run mattered most and that in this long run the decisive elements were technological advances and exponential growth.

See his classic essay, widely republished, "Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren."

JMK, where are you now that we need you?

For those interested in the future course of the economy, Dave Altig's Macroblog puts out an analysis every Monday of what the Fed is likely to do with interest rates at its next couple of meetings. Turns out there are financial markets where people can in effect bet on what the Fed will do, and Altig massages these figures and puts them into easy-to-read chart form. The latest results are here:

http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/2006/02/betting_on_ben_.html

and predict that the Fed, under new chairman Ben Bernanke, will continue to raise rates a quarter point at each of its next two meetings. This is a little more "hawkish" behavior than had previously been expected, when the Fed was thought likely to level off after maybe another raise.

JDH at Econbrowser is among those who fear that the Fed is going too far too fast, and that its inflation-fighting zeal is only going to succeed in sending the economy into recession. Supposedly though Bernanke means to quell worries that he will be too soft on inflation by putting on a show of toughness right off the bat.

If things go bad as JDH fears, a U.S. slowdown would likely impact the rest of the world as American imports are a major economic driver these days. This could lead to a scenario with a softening of oil demand and a drop in prices over the next couple of years.

IMO he's doing the right thing. Better cause a slight recession now, but "preemptively" force a gradual reduction of the enormous debt that is threatening to send the country in the third world virtually any minute (what do you choose? a currency crash? a stock market crash? anyone?).

As for oil prices a dollar appreciation will hurt oil importing countries and this will be another source of reduced demand. So, yes it is quite possible that we see a significant price drop - in the next few years supply capacity will probbaly remain flat, while demand will probably drop much faster. I don't see it as a good thing though.