On production rates and refinery capacity

There are a couple of points that are worth bringing forward from the comments over the past couple of days or so, and with your indulgence I would like to do this.

The first related to some discussion on the relative production of Saudi Arabia, among others, and the fact that, with Haradh, they had just added 300,000 bd to their capability. The point that has been made here before, is that the Saudi wells are currently seeing about 8% depletion from existing structures, on average. We have referenced the relevant Aramco quotes on this before, but it has just popped up again.

"Saudi Aramco's mature crude oil fields are expected to decline at a gross average rate of 8%/year without additional maintenance and drilling," a Saudi Aramco spokesman said Tuesday.
But Saudi Aramco has taken a number of measures to offset a decline in output from the country's aging oil fields, the spokesman added. "A variety of remedial activities are always being taken in oil fields influencing their effective decline rates," the spokesman said. "The drilling of additional development wells in the producing fields is Saudi Aramco's standard practice to offset normal declines of older wells."
 The Aramco intent is to carry out a sufficiently aggressive drilling program so that
"This maintain potential drilling in mature fields combined with a multitude of remedial actions and the development of new fields, with long plateau lives, lowers the composite decline rate of producing fields to around 2%," the spokesman said.
Now those of you who have removed your socks, will quickly calculate that this is still around 180,000 bd, or about half of the slated production from Haradh, but wait! This depletion rate INCLUDES the development of new fields. Oh!

And, another gentle cough and a quick visit to Baker Hughes tells us that they have 37 rigs drilling for oil and 17 drilling for gas. If the oil rigs are 90% successful and can drill 6 wells each a year, and each producing well averages 3,100 bd, then the new production they will generate this year is 37 x 6 x 3,100 x 0.9 = 619,380 bd, regardless of how big their reserves are.

The other point I wanted to note comes from a comment that Robert Rapier started and that led to the Billings Gazette and a story that local oil prices are falling and wells are being shut in.
Sharp cuts of $10 to $30 a barrel off the posted regional prices in the Williston Basin are being reported, and some producers have started to shut down wells rather than sell, even if there is room on a pipeline to ship it out.

The static refining capacity in the United States, increased production in the Canadian Tar Sands and limited capacity on pipelines are among the reasons given for the steep pricing discounts. The Williston Basin straddles the northeastern Montana, northwestern North Dakota border. The highly productive Bakken field near Sidney is part of the basin.
"This is sending seismic shock waves through the Northern Rockies," said Tom Hauptman, a Billings oil and gas producer. "Some are being told, 'We don't want your product.' The posted prices are being discounted by $20.45 a barrel."

Part of the problem  appears to be the current down-turn in refining capacity (we are in maintenance season as well as still being a couple or three refineries short after Katrina) that may be more locally tied to increases in production from the oil sands of Alberta that are close by.   The discussion in that earlier post was sufficiently intriguing that I thought it worth bringing the topic forward.  
Nice catch on that Saudi story with the "and the development of new fields".  If it wasn't just a slip of the tongue, it's almost like they are admitting being at peak.  I note that 8% of 9.5mbpd is 760,000 b/d.  So by your arithmetic, they'd be off by 140,000 b/d, which is about 1.5% of production.  The answer is pretty sensitive to the exact productivity of new wells, however.
I think by now Aramco and the oil ministry have both <suppressio veri> and <suggestio falsi> pretty much down pat.
smekhovo,

The next time you post look down at the html instructions beneath the "Post" button. To create italics, put a "<eye>" before the phrase you want italicized and an "</eye>" afterwards. I'm substituting "eye" for the letter "i" above.

My understanding of the current situation is that SA wish to jump to about 120 rigs (of all types) in the near future and that they currently have about 80 working rigs.
These new rigs will include Jack ups and possibly workover hoists. One thing seems certain, You dont need to increase your fleet so massively unless you have or are about to have a problem with production flows.

So may be 16th December 2005 was the date after all?

I double-checked the Baker Hughes sheet, and it says 42 on oil for March 06 (plus 18 on gas for a total of 60).  In Feb 06, it was 36 on oil and 16 on gas.  What's your source for 80?

Here's the curve according to Baker-Hughes:

Oil rig count has been cruising along in the 15-20 range for a number of years, and then takes a sharp upturn in the beginning of 2005.  Besides being about the beginning of the global production plateau, if we compare that to Saudi production specifically (the green line is the JODI version of Saudi production), we can see that the sharp upturn in rigs begans right after a litle drop in production at the beginning of 05.  The upturn in rigs has so far not resulted in any production increase to speak of.

Does it smells like a duck?  Walk like a duck?  Quack like a duck?

Quack!

Source: 1) A mate in SACo. 2) Recent presentation given at Bahrain. Of course, both could be wrong. But the remarkable headline at the Bahrain conference, was the level of intended expansion to 120 rigs. This did not mention type, or over what period.

My thoughts? If they need to extract heavier oils, then lots of rigs drilling vertically with steam - flushing may be the plan. Bottle brush drilling could be another way to try and ramp up lighter crude reservoirs. Some of these additional rigs may be intended for a major exploration campaign.

BTW: SA is not the only country in the region looking to ramp up the rig count all appear to intend to do so.

Rig builders, Service Companies etc look to be busy for the next few years.

Over the lifetime of this site the SA rig targets have gone from 70 to 100 to now 120.  However, when I do a quick Google search the first site up has this. from last September.
Yet, little noticed by the outside world, the Saudis are making some bold moves. In recent months, Saudi Aramco, the national oil company, has been rapidly inking deals with drilling rig operators and oil field contractors. Some 70 drilling rigs are now operating in the kingdom, up from 55 in 2004 and about 20 in the mid-1990s.

 By next year, Aramco aims to have 110 rigs drilling, although that may be unreachable because of fierce competition for equipment.

The EIA states that by the end of this year they will have 90 operating, doubling the number that were operating in 2004.
Good article published one year ago:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/08B97BCF-7BE6-4F1D-A846-7ACB9B0F8894.htm
Bank says Saudi's top field in decline
By Adam Porter in Perpignan, France

Excerpt:

Coxe dismisses Saudi claims that the country can produce extra capacity to satisfy surging demand. He notes that Saudi promises to increase production last year failed to materialise.

It actually depends on 3 numbers, the number of wells per rig (which in turn depends on whether they are straight verticals, horizontals or bottlebrush); the production per well (ditto) and the success rate, which is dropping. Over the past year I have tried to zero in on these, with justifications where I felt I could make them.  The per well number is now below 4,000 bd, but whether it is below 3,500

One of the key factors in the USGS statistical evaluation was that they could not find cases where the Saudi's had drilled dry holes - that is no longer the way it is.

Hello TODers,

8% decline without any more infield extraction?  Sounds like a Hubbert Cliff to me.  Adding more infield extraction only TEMPORARILY SLOWS this 8% decline, then when these new infield wells water out in a relatively short timeframe, then aggregate yearly decline jumps to what:

10%,12%,15%,20% ???? --Oh crap!  And exports will decline even faster [Westexas & Khehab's theory]!

ARAMCO Quote:  "This maintain potential drilling in mature fields combined with a multitude of remedial actions and the development of new fields, with long plateau lives, lowers the composite decline rate of producing fields to around 2%," the spokesman said."

Even Alan Greenspan must be impressed with the carefully conceived 'mumbo-jumbo' in this statement.  Since when has any oilfield had a 'long plateau life'?-->Sorry, but the extraction profile follows a bell curve.  The overall Saudi decline rate might be 2% for one year, 4% the next, 6% for postpeak year three, year 4 = 8% [now back to pre-remedial aggregate], then getting progressively worse each year thereafter.  In short, M. Simmons's BIG STRAW THEORY being confirmed.

Shaw's Law: Fastest beer consumption/second occurs at the moment they fear the bartender will take it away from them at closing time.  An unfinished beer is a terrible thing to waste!

Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?

Bob,

Exactly. The Yibal field in Oman is an exact correlative to the Ghawar and other fields in SA undergoing extensive advanced extraction techniques. The Yibal collapsed spectacularly.

The collapse of Ghawar is imminent. Three years at best and we will see double-digit production decreases.

Can't drill fast enough to make up for the decline in existing wells.  That's a Hubbert peak, whether they call it that or not.
Bingo.  When I talk to newbies about PO, this is the point I always stress with them.  Oil is non-renewable, so at some point you can ignore all the curve drawing and production estimates and all that and simply recognize that no amount of additional drilling or extraction will increase the rate of supply.

Once you get a newbie to start breathing again they ask a lot of "but what about..." questions, and they pretty quickly get the mental model worked out.

Texas peaked at 54% of Qt.  Average net decline rate, after new wells, workovers, secondary/tertirary recovery:  4.1% per year.

Saudi Arabia is at 55% of Qt.

These were the two principal swing producers, and each one served as a swing producer for about 35 years.  Texas, 1935 to 1970, and Saudi Arabia, 1970 to 2005.  

I think that a useful plot would be 21 years of Texas production data, 10 years on either side of 1972, with 11 years of production data for Saudi Arabia also shown, lining Texas in 1972 up with Saudi Arabia in 2005, with different vertical scales.  Since we only have crude + condensate for Texas, I would use crude + condensate for Saudi Arabia.

Imagine, if you will, what a Texas oilman--then proud of Texas' record high oil production--would have said in 1972 if you told him that oil prices beyond the dreams of avarice were just around the corner--a 1,000% increase in oil prices over an eight year period, that Texas would respond with the biggest drilling boom in history, that we would increase the number of producing oil wells by 14%--and oil production would drop by about 30% from 1972 to 1982.  

The initial drop in Texas production was pretty subtle:

  1.  3.452 mbpd
  2.  3.444
  3.  3.357
  4.  3.248
  5.  3.153
The initial drop in Texas production was pretty subtle (with dates this time):

1972:   3.452 mbpd

1973:    3.444

  1.   3.357

  2.   3.248

1976:    3.153
Westexas, did you ever receive any response to your letters to Dallas Morning News and Startlegram?
I traded some e-mails with one journalist, but nothing official.
Buckle your seat belt.  It's going to be a bumpy ride.
Excerpts from a story in The Paducah Sun:

Demagogic politicians like to blame "Big Oil" for the entirely predictable spring surge in gas prices. In truth, the politicians themselves bear a good deal of the responsibility for the price spike.

The underlying cause of the annual jump in prices is a shortage of refining capacity in the U.S. On an average day, Americans consume more oil than the maximum output of the refineries. Because the refineries are constantly stretched to their limits, even a small disruption -- for instance, a fire at one refinery -- can affect gasoline supplies and cause prices to rise across the country.

Supply bottlenecks sometimes are caused by aging refineries temporarily shutting down for maintenance. The U.S. refining system simply does not have enough capacity to deal with even routine events that affect production.

The last refinery built in the U.S. opened in the late 1970s. Faced with the enormous cost of building a single refinery -- more than $3 billion -- and the likelihood of lengthy delays in obtaining environmental permits, energy producers have been reluctant to expand the refining system.

That last sentence is only partially true. Permitting a new grass roots refinery is a nightmare. Expanding an existing refinery is not as difficult, and refiners are expanding.

A news story published last year detailed the difficulties a company in Arizona encountered in trying to build a refinery. Arizona Clean Fuels LLC began seeking state and federal environmental permits in 1998, but as of last fall, the company was still waiting for final approval.

"Someone needs to feel accountable for the schedule in issuing permits," Glenn McGinnis, the chief executive of Arizona Clean Fuels, told a reporter for the Knight-Ridder newspapers.

The system of environmental regulations that blocks new refineries and imposes other restrictions on the nation's gas supply was designed in Washington, D.C., with the approval of Congress.

Every spring, the refineries are forced to shut down to convert to the production of summertime fuels mandated by the federal Environmental Protection Agency. Under the EPA mandates, gasoline sold during the high-volume summer months in urban areas with relatively high levels of air pollution must contain pollution-reducing additives.

Not just that, but most of the butane has to be pulled from the summertime blends. Otherwise, your fuel might boil in the summer.

This year, the pressure on the refineries is even more acute, largely as a result of the energy bill approved by Congress.

The energy bill promotes ethanol as a cleaner-burning replacement for fuels with the additive MTBE, which was effective in reducing air pollution but at the cost of polluting groundwater. Gasoline containing MTBE has leaked from tanks, raising concerns about the additive's effect on groundwater supplies.

Unfortunately, the nation's ethanol producers are not yet ready to meet the increased demand caused by the abandonment of MTBE as an additive. A number of new ethanol plants are in the regulatory pipeline, but it may take years to bring them on line.

More states will probably ask for oxygenate waivers, as California did.

With an election looming this fall, politicians will soon begin lining up to blame the oil companies for the latest rise in gas prices. Undoubtedly, many of those politicians will be the same ones who voted to put severe restrictions on energy producers.

Motorists should keep that in mind when they pull up to the pumps and prepare to pay the hidden energy tax federal and state officials approved without admitting it to the public.

Yes, I am sure politicians will accept the blame for this, instead of pointing the finger at oil companies and accusing them of gouging consumers.

RR

I'm not sure how this qualifies as a hidden energy tax?  I mean, unless they're charging an arm and a leg for permits, the government isn't getting any money from this is it?
The ethanol piece is a hidden energy tax. The phase out of MTBE means more subsidized ethanol, which we all pay at the rate of $0.51/gallon. I agree that the rest isn't a hidden energy tax, but I am not sure what I would call it. A combination of a difficult permitting process and NIMBY attitudes of most communities have contributed to no new refineries being built. This is partially responsible for the shortfall in capacity.

RR

The rest is a hidden cost--and also an attempt by governments to internalize externalities (such as pollution) by use of regulation rather than the price mechanism.

As one who has lived downwind of a refinery, I can understand the sentiments of others who do so.

I hope to live long enough to see the end of the age of oil and to see substitutes largely replace it as an energy source.

I hope to live long enough to see the end of the age of oil and to see substitutes largely replace it as an energy source.

Personally, I would like to see this as well. We have to become sustainable in all aspects of our way of life at some point, or nature will take care of things her own cruel way. But I don't know what it is going to take. I think we could move to something like a biodiesel based economy, but our politicians won't have the guts to pull the trigger because our fuel prices will be higher, and probably a lot higher.

Then John and Jane Public will start complaining that their way of life is being taken away from them, that they can't afford to drive their 4x4 any more, yadda, yadda, yadda, and the politicians become fearful that they won't be reelected. So, it is probably going to take a real crisis, leading to super-expensive gasoline, before a true transition away from fossil fuels becomes politically palatable. My hope is that gasoline becomes very expensive long before we start to run out of it. I see that as our chance to make it through peak oil without a societal collapse.

RR

Living in a large city close to a lot of refineries, I'd like to hear the other side of the complaint about regulations and what they are doing to refining capacity.  

Why were the regulations put in in the first place and what would the consequences be to the air, to groundwater, etc., if they are taken away?  Would there be any adverse effects on global warming, on public health, etc?

What are the compromise solutions possible?  

Are there other, more bureaucratic problems having to do with seeing the process through from the bureaucratic side, more so than the actual regulations being adhered to from the refineries' side?

Folks seem to be awfully calvalier in complaining about the restrictions of the EPA (referring to the above article and other similar ones, rather than the poster), with absolutely no discussion of the other side of the coin...

And certainly discussions here make clear that the underlying problems we are facing go a lot deeper, are a lot more fundamental, than EPA regulations on our refineries, although those do contribute in important ways to supply constriction.

Could folks more knowledgeable than I help me with the whole of the discussion above, which gets into both the effects on prices with/without current EPA regulations and also the effects on surrounding areas, etc. with/without current EPA regulations, and any other issues that may come up from such a discussion...

Thanks...  

It does not matter, ultimately, what the regulations are regarding the environment since refiners know that there will not be enough oil, at least light sweet, to process in order to justify a new refinery.

If an oil refiner could kill a few thousand people annually in order to slap together a piece of crap refinery, it would, but there are actual people out there who kinda like a clean environment, thank god, and they won't let them.

The answer does not lie in extending a flawed system, it lies in conservation, renewables, and sustainability.

It does not matter, ultimately, what the regulations are regarding the environment since refiners know that there will not be enough oil, at least light sweet, to process in order to justify a new refinery.

I have a friend who has suggested the same thing to me. But I can tell you this. I have set in on many, many meetings where expansion plans were discussed. Not once has anyone ever suggested that there may be insufficient crude supplies to justify the expansion.

RR

It's not the regulations that are the problem. It's the government employees. I have a good idea how they operate. One finger in their nose and a phone in the other hand talking about last night's table dance. A good example is the nut-case from Home-land Security. Now there is a guy with a heavy duty IQ, protecting you from disaster. Think they have learned, wait till the next big hurricane. Sorry but every time I deal with them my B. P. spikes.
Why were the regulations put in in the first place and what would the consequences be to the air, to groundwater, etc., if they are taken away?  Would there be any adverse effects on global warming, on public health, etc?

Environmental regulations are certainly necessary, because you can't expect that everyone would do the responsible thing. I don't know the details of why it is so hard to permit a new refinery, but I have been told by a lot of people that it is extremely difficult (in fact, to this point nobody has successfully done it). I think a bigger problem is that nobody wants a new refinery built in their community.

RR

One other thing that I should make clear is that it wasn't the regulations themselves that the people trying to build the Arizona refinery were complaining about. It was the length of time it has taken to get the permit. They have been working on this since 1998, and still don't have a permit.

RR

Am I alone in thinking that limited refining capacity is not entirely a bad thing?  It restricts the throughput of oil, the resultant higher prices are then incentives to develop renewables / conserve.   The downside, perhaps, is the perception may be that this is a temporary and solvable situation.
I was wondering about that too - along with the downside you point out... which I guess is part of what's happening now...
In one sense you're right.  It limits our crude oil consumption to what we have now.  In another sense it's bad long-term.  If nobody will invest in a refinery now (which looks like it would make buckets of money with existing margins) then investing in more expensive alternatives looks unlikely.
I think anything that stretches the tail, after the peak, is good.
For that, we probably want oxygen-blown IGCC powerplants with CO2/H2S co-capture and co-sequestration in old oil fields.  Imagine Pennsylvania becoming an oil producer again, not to mention your own back yard.
One thing I don't get about the environmental regs => no new refineries theory is the fact that we regularly locate such objectionable land uses just south of the border. Why isn't their a boom in Tijuana refinery construction? Or Puerto Rico? I think that the reason no refineries are built is because the industry knows that raw materials are peaked. It would be like building a timber mill in Wisconsin in 1930 (or Montana in 2000).
It just doesn't make sense that oil would be discounted $20.45 off the posted price for the given grade--something is fishy.  Storage capacity, or even shipping BY TRUCK across country doesn't justify that large a discount.  These producers can sell an oil future and deliver at expiration and their costs (storage & transport) won't exceed $20.45/barrel.  The rationale for this that I can think of is that the specific grade of crude doesn't match up well with specific, localized refinery capacity issues?
Canadian heavy crudes are discounted by that much and more. The downstream refineries can't handle the capacity, so Canada is sitting on spare capacity.

RR

Hello RR,

What do you make of this following quote reposted from the initial heading post:

"Sharp cuts of $10 to $30 a barrel off the posted regional prices in the Williston Basin are being reported, and some producers have started to shut down wells rather than sell, even if there is room on a pipeline to ship it out."

Reads to me: if an oildrill company can financially afford it, they would rather sell the oil later for postPeak BigBucks, than sell it now for less.  Self-limiting the market to maximize profits?

Bob Shaw in Phx,AZ  Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?