Iran -- Apocalypse Now?
Posted by Dave Cohen on April 9, 2006 - 2:08pm
Topic: Policy/Politics
Tags: china, hamas, hezbollah, iran, iraq, nuclear weapons, russia, united states, uranium enrichment, world war iii [list all tags]
This story is based on Seymour "Sy" Hersh's article about to be published in the New Yorker entitled The Iran Plans.
When a child is finally able to read, write and understand some things, there are two lessons that should be taught first, and these are
- The The Golden Rule which states in one formulation "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
- Never, ever, engage in a land war in Asia, a remark attributed to General Douglas MacArthur who also said "Anyone who commits the American Army in the Asian mainland should have his head examined."
There is a growing conviction among members of the United States military, and in the international community, that President Bush’s ultimate goal in the nuclear confrontation with Iran is regime change. Iran’s President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has challenged the reality of the Holocaust and said that Israel must be “wiped off the map.” Bush and others in the White House view him as a potential Adolf Hitler, a former senior intelligence official said. “That’s the name they’re using. They say, ‘Will Iran get a strategic weapon and threaten another world war?’ ”For more background, look at this map. This is not a country map, it is an ethnic/sectarian view of the region.A government consultant with close ties to the civilian leadership in the Pentagon said that Bush was “absolutely convinced that Iran is going to get the bomb” if it is not stopped. He said that the President believes that he must do “what no Democrat or Republican, if elected in the future, would have the courage to do,” and “that saving Iran is going to be his [Bush's] legacy.”
One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military planning was premised on a belief that “a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.” He added, “I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, ‘What are they smoking?’ ”
A real map of Iraq and Iran and
surrounding regions -- Figure 1
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Here are the parties to the disaster that lays before us.
- Iran's president Ahmadinejad is a jihadist and he has radicalized Iran's government.
Since becoming Iran's president in August, Ahmadinejad, who served in the ranks of the Revolutionary Guards during the 1980-1988 war with Iraq, has appointed fellow Revolutionary Guards members to the most key positions in his cabinet and administration. For example, both Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar and Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki served in command positions in the Revolutionary Guards. Ahmadinejad also purged several major ministries such as interior, national planning, finance, and, recently, foreign affairs, of appointees from the Hashemi Rafsanjani and Muhammad Khatami presidencies over the last sixteen years. To the great disgust of the powerful clergy who practically rule Iran, the new president does not believe that he owes anything to the traditional power centers, foremost the clergy and the conservative middle class who have benefited financially from their relations with the corrupt governments of his predecessors. Moreover, during his campaign for president, the extremely militant Ahmadinejad sought the support of Iran's poor and unemployed masses and vowed to revive Ayatollah Khomeini's revolutionary ideology.
This would seem to contradict Hersh's (and my own) assumption that it is really the Supreme Leader who is in charge.Iran’s supreme religious leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, is considered by many experts to be in a stronger position than Ahmadinejad. “Ahmadinejad is not in control,” one European diplomat told me. “Power is diffuse in Iran. The Revolutionary Guards are among the key backers of the nuclear program, but, ultimately, I don’t think they are in charge of it. The Supreme Leader has the casting vote on the nuclear program, and the Guards will not take action without his approval.”
In any case, these are bad guys and I'm not going to waste anytime debating the point. However, there does seem to be some question as to who is running things in Iran. - The same bunch of neocons who got us into the Iraq mess seem determined to repeat the mistake in Iran. They are an isolated group of dangerous fanatics who seek only their own counsel. As for attacking Iran, toward that end they have packed the Defense Science Board with adherents to justify any military actions the US may carry out.
The chairman of the Defense Science Board is William Schneider, Jr., an Under-Secretary of State in the Reagan Administration. In January, 2001, as President Bush prepared to take office, Schneider served on an ad-hoc panel on nuclear forces sponsored by the National Institute for Public Policy, a conservative think tank. The panel’s report recommended treating tactical nuclear weapons as an essential part of the U.S. arsenal and noted their suitability “for those occasions when the certain and prompt destruction of high priority targets is essential and beyond the promise of conventional weapons.” Several signers of the report are now prominent members of the Bush Administration, including Stephen Hadley, the national-security adviser; Stephen Cambone, the Under-Secretary of Defense for Intelligence; and Robert Joseph, the Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security.
At the highest level of the military, there is opposition to using tactical nuclear weapons. The rationale for using these armaments is that some of Iran's putative uranium enrichment facilities are deep enough underground to render conventional weapons useless. In this case the Joint Chiefs of Staff may be our best friend. Speaking of our beloved President, a House member said, “The most worrisome thing is that this guy has a messianic vision.”
The bottom line is that the neocons are not content to merely conduct a bombing raid from the air (using nuclear weapons) to take out Iran's budding nuclear program. They want a regime change. That is Bush's messianic mission. As far as the radical Iranian government goes, there's no doubt they intend to become a nuclear power; it is a waste of time to debate the issue. As to when this might be successfully accomplished, there is room for the debate. If you ask the Israelis, they'll tell you Iran is only a couple years away. If you ask the the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), they'll tell you there is uncertainty and guess that Iran's Bomb is 5 years away.
Most of the relevant material can be found in Hersh's article and so I'll spare you the gruesome details. However, to state the obvious
“This is much more than a nuclear issue,” one high-ranking diplomat told me in Vienna. “That’s just a rallying point, and there is still time to fix it. But the Administration believes it cannot be fixed unless they control the hearts and minds of Iran. The real issue is who is going to control the Middle East and its oil in the next ten years.”No kidding. Those of you old enough to remember the Vietnam War (which we lost) will remember with irony the phrase "hearts and minds". Let's examine the consequences of a US military strike on Iran.
At this point, predicting a post-US/Iranian war is guesswork but several plausible results can be put forward. Here's my list. Feel free to add your own.
- Iran will cut Hezbollah loose. Principally, they operate out of southern Lebanon but are capable of terrorist acts outside that area. This is noted in the Hersh article.
- Oil prices will spike rapidly. $100/barrel is a reasonable baseline. The US would not, of course, bomb Iran's oil & natural gas fields. That is, afterall, the prize.
- Looking at Figure 1, we see that Iran is not simply a Persian nation. In particular, there are substantial Kurdish (Sunnis) and Azeri (Shia') minorities. In fact, the US military is even now operating in these areas. How would these groups react? I suspect the Kurds would line up around ethnic/sectarian lines and secede from Iran. This would have implications for Turkey, which has a sizeable Kurdish minority in the west of the country.
- It is impossible to imagine that the Russians and Chinese, who want this matter referred back to the IAEA and oppose tough sanctions from the UN Security Council, would just sit back and do nothing. Specifically, the Chinese are doing business with Iran. There is a geostrategic alliance among Iran, Russia and China as reported in one of my favorite sources, the Asian Times. See The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran. It is hard to predict what Russia and China would do but the US would become even more isolated than they already are.
- Hugo Chavez is, generally speaking, a wild card. What a perfect excuse to justify his (apparently correct) perception of the US as an out of control aggressor and cut some part of oil exports.
- As Hersh reports, quoting a Pentagon advisor, "What will 1.2 billion Muslims think the day we attack Iran?”
- Unless the US could take out all of Iran's medium range missles, retaliatory strikes against Sunni-held oil & natural gas facilities in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, et. al. are possible. The entire Middle East could be engulfed in a Sunni-Shia' civil war. This is noted by Hersh.
- Last but not least, the strong ties between Iraq's Shiites and Iran would become a bond like cement. At any time, Iran could make the situation in Iraq much worse and solidify the nascent civil war there. In particular, look at Figure 1 again and consider this quote from Hersh
The adviser went on, “If we go, the southern half of Iraq will light up like a candle.” The American, British, and other coalition forces in Iraq would be at greater risk of attack from Iranian troops or from Shiite militias operating on instructions from Iran. (Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, has close ties to the leading Shiite parties in Iraq.) A retired four-star general told me that, despite the eight thousand British troops in the region, “the Iranians could take Basra with ten mullahs and one sound truck.”
Progressives have got to step up to leadership on these issues, because if we don't start making other arrangements for daily life - a different program than Dick Cheney's non-negotiable easy motoring utopia of hamburgers - then reality is going negotiate it for us. We'll be dragged into more war, and we'll mount a foolish and futile defense of a way of life that has no future.We can not expect reasonable behaviour from crack addicts. Civilization is in peril and, frankly, I don't know what to do about it. As the Latin goes, Ora Pro Nobis--Pray for us.



Emperor Hadrian AD 117-138
The following gives perspective on how US forces will be "drained off."
http://www.sundayherald.com/32522
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/95178_du12.shtml
Read the above and then see if you do not agree that the USA is the most repugnant nation on the face of the earth. If I understand the science correctly, your Commander in Chief doesn't give a rats ass for the US Armed Forces apart from their utility as backdrops for his Nurenberg moments. Chavez is as nothing compared to this.
Want a quick list?
- North Korea, where the 'Nurenberg moments' are backstopped by an unknown number of millions starved dead. In a way, much closer to the real spirit of the inventors of such photo ops, by the way.
- Zimbabwe, while not quite reaching North Korean standards, shows what a bad president really looks like - strange how starvation is one of the ways where repugnant has a different meaning in my definition. And Robert Mugabe's most loyal units in the past were North Korean trained, so as to show that not all evil in the world comes from the West.
- Well, I thought including one nuclear power would be nice, so Pakistan it is. Admittedly, only arguably more repugnant than America, but actively selling nuclear technology world wide is certainly more repugnant than simply picking and choosing which treaty to sign or ignore, and let's be honest - Pakistan is not exactly a model of stability, corruption, or religious tolerance, and on all three points, America is better. (Maybe not as good as Americans think, but still better.) To put it in a certain perspective - free market America is still less likely to sell nuclear weapons to anyone than Pakistan is. And a lot less likely to fracture in the next decade into a civil war.
Hope this helps to define repugnant - you are welcome to be disgusted with America, but it will take a while longer before it reaches the true depths of repugnance which people are capable of in today's world. Americans (to their credit generally) have a hard time imagining what really bad societies look like. But starving 5% to 10% of a population to death for ideological reasons is truly repugnant, and America has a long ways to go before that happens - even in Iraq, where food and malnourishment have been and most likely remains a problem.Do write a comment or two after America nukes Iran, though, because that certainly could re-open the debate to your advantage.
I stopped myself on the whole Bush is as bad as Hitler thing, though.
Given that the comparisons for moral turpitude are to nations such as Zimbabwe and North Korea, I think it's safe to say that even US citizens should be alarmed at how low their nation has fallen.
What you should be saying is the US is the most shinning because it shines brighter than... I'll leave you to select those nations that best represent your notion of shining.
Instead, you choose to argue that in a bowl of shit, your shit is the least smelly. Is that the best you can do?
The United States of America (oxymoron rears its ugly head here) cannot be the most repugnant nation on Earth because North Korea, Zimbabwe, and Pakistan are all worse? Guess the US is just the *fourth* most repugnant nation on Earth. Wow! What an accolade. Good job expat, you've made the point perfectly.
not really - I struck off places like Haiti as being repugnant in the absolute and abject sense of probably being the worst place to live in the Western Hemisphere. Also struck off a few former Soviet Republics, where traditional values includes such shining lights as Stalin and Tamerlane. Zimbabwe was picked because it has nothing to do with the West, but there are entire regions like the Congo (does that area even have an official name /state boundaries anymore?) which are obviously repugnant in terms of low grade genocide. I also left off places like Myanmar or Libya.
But I left these off (there are more), because most of them are part of a larger picture, which is how the rich live off the poor. And there, really, the U.S. is not somehow uniquely repugnant either. It may be the biggest pig at the trough, but it is only one of many.
When complaining about the U.S., and there is a lot to complain about, sticking to some basic facts and perspectives is helpful in having a discussion.
But if it helps anyone - that America is the nation which seems to have fallen the farthest from its own self-proclaimed lofty ideals in the last 10 years, while in the eyes of many becoming a mockery of itself on what seems to be an unstoppable path to evil is certainly the sort of description I would wholeheartedly agree to, simply 'not most repugnant.' Most Americans seem really unaware how far America still has to fall before joining the true bottom ranks. They also seem unaware of how many mechanisms are already in place to make sure that stopping it is considered beyond practicality. Notice that the president can now declare a 'special event of national significance' anywhere in the U.S., for a tiny example (so much for peaceful assembly to petition for redress) - and while massive wiretapping has been going on for years, it is only recently that the technology has allowed automation to work effectively enough - tied in with the huge amount of data stored, since Americans seem to have allowed databases to be filled over the last couple of decades of a style which a German planner facing numerous political goals in 1934 could only dream of. (Again, not a direct comparison - the German planner did have genealogical records which are still not normal in the U.S., for example - but in 1934, hardcore communists/Stalinists, various religious groups, and a number of militant unions/workers were still in fairly active opposition to the Nazis takeover, and were still considered a threat facing the new regime.) Having a tool to wield tends to be the first step in wielding it in the world of cause and effect - and notice I haven't said who or which political belief will wield it, only that it is hard to imagine it won't be. As an interesting side note - the recent demonstrations of people many seem to consider 'illegal' could be a fine way to test many aspects of a system designed to ensure that 100,000s of people could be placed in confinement (wonder how the camp construction is going? - bet Cheney knows who to call to find out, don't you?), since they are considered a threat to American society. And from most of what I have been reading, a majority of 'real' Americans would be pleased to see it happen, if only to defend America from a wave of unAmericanness, or something equally hard for me to understand. Yes, a certain mixture is starting to stir itself, and I doubt people are worried enough about what it means. Sort of like pointing out how databases being set up in the 1980s were a first step in people trading away privacy - these days, an entire system is in place to notice 'suspicious' transactions in the entire banking/retail network, and essentially no one can live without a credit card, it seems.
I don't live there now, but from here, what is stirring is a truly vile mixture of racism wrapped in righteousness about legality and respecting America. Almost as if after 40 years of being kept under a rock, a certain ugly creature has finally found the lever to pry itself back into the light, where many people seem entranced by its pure blackness, and wish it to grow larger and more devouring.
Maybe I am wrong, but a lot worries me about what is going on in the U.S.
But as noted, a few nukes getting legal field testing in Iran (wouldn't want to break any treaties and test them illegally here first, right?) would make this a more complicated discussion. But honestly, even after nuking a few Iranian targets, I still would argue North Korea is worse.
Our own entry in this contest isn't the U-238 bullets but our 2 million people in the prisons. The drug war is arguably racist and can be described as a civil war in slo-mo.
This is not like climate change, where the willful ignorance of widely accepted information by the Administration is repugnant and endangering billions of lives in the future.
reactor core material such as U236,Neptunium and
Plutonium.
The Department of Energy has admitted that the DU stockpiles contain radioactive waste from nuclear reactor cores and that plutonium, americium and neptunium are present in DU. This is also evidenced by the presence of U-236 which could only have come from reactor cores. The presence of these transuranic elements complicates the picture somewhat, but the same analysis can be used to determine the effects that these elements have on the total radioactivity of DU. All that needs to be known are the percentage amounts of these elements in a 1 gram sample of DU.
S. F. Boulyga of the Research Center Juelich in Juelich Germany reported [Journal of Analytical Atomic Spectroscopy Vol. 16(11), 2001 (pp. 1283-1289) ] finding Pu-239, Pu-240 and Am-241 in a sample taken from a DU penetrator shell. He reported 1.7x10-9 gram (1.7 nanograms) of Am-241 and 3.1x10-5 gram (31 micrograms) of U-236 in a 1 gram DU sample. This is 10 times the amount of U-236 reported by DoD and used in the above calculations (Table 1b).
http://www.idust.net/Tutorial/DURadiation01.htm
Every trooper(Iraq/Afghanistan) should be tested for Onset Diabetes and
Sores that will not heal-first signs of Radiation Poisoning.
Also, Uranium as a simple heavy metal will bind to DNA
causing cell mutations.
James
As for neptunium 235, the web page that you link has an error. While it can alpha decay, this mode is very small compared to the electron capture to uranium 235. So even though neptunium 235 has a short half life, it almost entirely contributes x-rays and low energy beta-rays if it is present, and almost no alpha particles.
On a surreal note, at one time some people used uranium compounds as a treatment for diabetes, among other aliments.
The implication being made in the article stated
that Americium was not the factor that Neptunium is, I think,
and that the combination of elements,especially with
Neptunium exacerbating the Uranium decay.
I am not a scientist(in this field). My close relative did electrical work
for Oppenheimer(the relative died of a brain tumor).
Again, thanx for the clarification.
James
The radiation is really a non-issue for DU. The natural activity of potassium-40 in the body is around 100,000 picoCuries. The natural activity of uranium in the body is around 50 picoCuries, 2,000 times less. You would need to increase the typical load of uranium in the body (about 100 micrograms) to about 200,000 micrograms, or 0.2 grams, just to equal the radioactivity that you already get from potassium.
Heavy metals of any stamp are bad news, but data from people like uranium miners, who have had exposure to alot of uranium compounds as dust, shows that radon is more significant than uranium for their work-related health problems.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1181181,00.htm
He points out that the Iranian have approached the US in 2003 to resolve security (nuclear and other) issues, but their overtures were spurned by the neocons. More recently, Ayatollah Khomenei has given his blessing for wide ranging talks with the US and the Europeans want to see this as well.
The problem is that at a minimum the US will have to give an iron-clad security guarantee to the Iranians in exchange for acquiesnce on the nuclear issue. However, they won't do it (at least not yet) because it is incompatible with their agenda for regime change.
In all this I do take some solace that Karl Rove is reported to be adamantly opposed to a new war. No doubt he judges that it's a political loser and that many more people will come to the conclusion that Bush is crazy.
I think the possibility of nuclear weapons in a first strike on Iran is remote, given the opposition within the military mentioned by Hersh. However, if the Iranians retaliate effectively and cause massive US casualties (say they sink an aircraft carrier), then I would say all bets are off.
I do think there is some credability to the idea that they may want to let us hang ourselves. If they really think we'll overextend and do damage to ourselves, they'd be smart to let us go.
Many people refuse to believe that we could not produce a lunatic like Pol Pot, Hitler or Idi Amin, but there they stand in history. For some reason, many people believe that we are "different," perhaps from breathing the rich American air.
Remember. This is an administration that said, "we make reality." These people are literally insane.
I think the roots of the problem have more to do with the fact that he's insecure and thus avoids contrasting viewpoints, and he has poor judgement - especially seeing the world in very simple black-and-white terms - and won't change course as evidence mounts that he's wrong.
Like my former governor and professional wrestler Jesse Ventura said: "Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers."
In any Organization you will almost always step on someones toes and make them hate you for whatever reasons. Religion is not going to be any different than any other Organization.
Did Mr. Vetura fail to see the WWF as the Religion that some see it as? So he is talking about any Orgainized Religion! I wonder which ones he really had in mind at the time he spoke those words?
This is one of those times where I think you are brilliant. I actually didn't laugh at all, even though Jesse "the Body" has always amused me.
I think you were spot on with your analysis of many subjects here.