So they all knew it was a bubble, now?

(Note: this was written Thursday for European Tribune. There's a lot of additional info in the original thread, including insider info from several French bankers. I also posted an add-on on the (partisan) political lessons emphasising the last part of this text this morning on DailyKos, where the recent Fed decision is also discussed.)

As the markets keep on going through turbulence, and many conflicting opinions are heard as to whether this is just a harbinger of things to come (my position) or just a "welcome correction" (still that of most "serious" pundits and the conventional wisdom), what's most striking to me - and very revealing on its own - is how suddenly everybody is talking about the real estate bubble as it if were the most obvious thing.

The very people that, in many instances, denied that there was any kind of bubble, or that house prices were a problem in any way, and denied that market valuations of certain assets were completely unreasonable, are now saying, in hindsight, that it was indeed a bubble and, while they are still saying that nothing much will really happen fro mthe end of the bubble (other than silly people getting punished), they are already hard at work trying to pin the blame elsewhere.

"A cheerleader, moi?", they ask, outraged.

But their new attitude ensures, right now, that the crisis WILL spread. Let me tell you why.

Thus, Martin Wolf, the senior economics correspondent of the Financial Times, the European business version of a Broder in Washington:
Fear makes a welcome return (FT, 15 August)

The world has witnessed four great bubbles over the past two decades - in Japanese stocks in the late 1980s, in east Asia's stocks and property in the mid-1990s, in the US (and European) stock markets in the late 1990s and, finally, in the housing markets of much of the advanced world in the 2000s. There has been too much imprudent finance worldwide, with central bankers and ministries of finance providing rescue at virtually every stage.

This is a polite version of my "Bubbles" Greenspan moniker: cheap money, especially in times of turmoil, has cause runaway asset price inflation. But as wages were under control thanks to the Chinese, there was nothing to worry about. But now, this is deemed "imprudent". And a classic mania:


The process starts with "displacement", some event that changes people's perceptions of the future. Then come rising prices in the affected sector. The third stage is easy credit and its handmaiden, financial innovation.

The fourth stage is over-trading, when markets depend on a fresh supply of "greater fools". The fifth stage is euphoria, when the ignorant hope to enjoy the wealth gained by those who came before them. The warnings of those who cry "bubble" are ridiculed, because these Cassandras have been wrong for so long. In the sixth stage comes insider profit-taking. Finally, comes revulsion.

Ridiculed we were indeed. But whether this takes the form of Jim Cramer begging the Fed to bail out feckless financiers, or Wolf's more prudent assertion that the "central bank must save not specific institutions, but the market itself," two thing are certain, and undoubtedly acknowledged by all: that there was a bubble, and that it has come to and end. That people say that this is just the beginning, or that it is a healthy correction to still high levels is mostly irrelevant, because what matters is that the notion of the end of the bubble is now widely public, because this is the single most important driver of things.

To make it simple: market psychology has flipped - from "prices will continue to go up" to "prices will no longer go up" - and thus the herd will stop buying. It doesn't really matter if it starts selling, or if it holds tight - buyers have become scarce (both because they suddenly don't think it's a good thing to buy, and because banks have stopped lending them money to do so - that's the credit crunch bit of the current crisis), and people don't expect prices to go up anymore. That, in itself, in enough to cool the markets. No expectations of quick gains and fewer buyers means, at the very best, stagnant markets.

But too many things in recent years have been predicated on ever increasing prices. Ninja mortgage loans (no income, no job, no assets) can only be repaid by flipping houses. Too many private equity buy outs of corporations made sense only in the expectation of a quick resale within 2-5 years at a premium. Now these homeowners and the companies have to live with crippling debt burdens - and many will collapse under that weight. That means, down the road, houses dumped on the market, and companies going bust, with the attendant layoffs, loss of pension and loss of healthcare. To be honest, the scale and the timing of these phenomenons is still very hard to pin down, which explains why prognoses go from 'speed bump' to 'major economic depression.'

But again, the end of the great bull market is, in itself, enough to seriously cripple what has been the main engine of growth in recent years: construction, financial engineering and increasing debt. Wages, which remained stagnant in supposedly booming economies, are not going to go up now, and the lower ability of households and corporations to borrow yet more money will necessarily cause ther spending to shrink.

Again, I have not yet talked in any way about the cost of the financial bubble itself - only about the expected changes in economic behavior due to new conditions. The financial meltdown, if there is one (as I personally think there will be) will only add to that and make thing worse by weakening banks, causing asset dumps and bringing down all sorts of asset classes down, and all the business they underpinned.

For samples of what might happen, read this Hedge Fund Sell Outs Threaten Markets or this excellent summary by stoneleigh earlier here at the Oil Drum: The Resurgence of Risk - A Primer on the Developing Credit Crunch.

Without going into these scenarios, what strikes me, again, is how quickly the pundits have flip-flopped to the new common wisdom of the bubble and are out looking for scapegoats.

Here's Martin Wolf, again:


Financial markets, and particularly the big players within them, need fear. Without it, they go crazy. Moreover, it is impossible for outsiders to regulate a global financial system riddled with conflicts of interest and dominated by huge derivatives markets, massive trading by highly leveraged hedge funds and reliance on abstruse mathematics and questionable statistical models. These markets must regulate themselves. The only thing likely to persuade them to do so is the certainty that the players will be allowed to go bust.

"they go crazy" (i.e. they overpay for assets) "conflicts of interest" (i.e. cheerleaders profit from higher prices) "highly leveraged" (i.e. too much easy debt) "questionable statistical models" (i.e. models work only so long as there are no crises). And the culprits are indeed now all over the media:


Rating agencies hit by subprime probe

The European Commission is to investigate credit ratings agencies amid growing dismay over their slow response to the subprime mortgage crisis.

Officials in Brussels, and many other critics, believe the ratings agencies failed to act quickly enough to warn investors about the risks of investing in securities backed by US subprime mortgages - the sector whose troubles triggered the recent global market volatility.

In the US, Barney Frank, Democrat chairman of the House financial services committee, said he planned to hold hearings on the agencies' performance next month. He said the agencies had "not done a good job" in the current crisis.

Rating agencies got paid by banks to provide ratings. Good ratings meant more sales by the banks. Of course there was pressure for rating agencies to be optimistic. Thier only restraint was their reputation, and we saw how effective that was for Arthur Andersen. Plus, the more they rated junk bonds favorably, the easier it was to refinance dodgy companies, and the fewer defaults there were, thus providing more fuel for that cycle.

This has been said for months by the Cassandras but, as usual, investigations get started when it's too late. Hopefully, this will at least lead to a fundamental rethink of the role of the rating agencies in the lending markets. Giving such a fundamental gatekeeper role to private entities essentially paid for by sale-side bankers is not a good way to avoid bubbles.


Limitations of computer models

"Models (ours including) are behaving in the opposite way we would predict and have seen and tested for over very long time periods," said Lehman Brothers last week.

A glance at recent financial history shows that this type of "rare" event is not so unusual at all.

(...)

"People say these are one-in-a-100,000-years events but they seem to happen every year," says Satyajit Das, a consultant to hedge funds and investment banks. "This episode should make people ask questions about models - I think it could lead to a real reassessment."

Any such reassessment could have far-reaching consequences. The spread of financial models is at the heart of the growth of modern banking. Indeed, were it not for modern computing power, this decade's remarkable explosion in finance would not have occurred at all.

(...)

But while computers are often able to operate better than humans in "normal" markets, this month's events demonstrate that during times of stress they have some crucial flaws. One problem is that models typically predict the future on the basis of past data. This can lead to distortions, given the speed at which the financial industry is currently evolving. Indeed, many of the instruments at the heart of the current credit storm barely existed before this decade - which means that computers can only model these markets based on the benign conditions of the past few years.

Another big problem is that computer models do not always take account of the way that their own behaviour is affecting markets.

The dirty secret of bankers is that they are bad at science and maths, and do not understand that a model, however sophisticated, cannot provide output of a qaulity better than the input. Lots of data does not mean better data; what makes data "good" is qualitative analysis, i.e. risk assessment by bankers doing their job instead of relying on fancy models. They do use extremely smart mathematicians to play around with data, but these guys' jobs are not that of bankers. I mean, "models typically predict the future on the basis of past data" - anybody that has ever bought any financial instrument gets told (or sees written in small print) right from the start that the past is no indicator of the future...

Thus, models work until they don't. LTCM's lesson has visibly not been learnt.

But blaming rating agencies and computer models, of course, is a way to avoid the real debates, the ideological ones - that over the supposed superiority of the "efficient markets" to drive economic behavior, that over the insistence that things be valued in dollars (discounted cash flow) or be worthless, and that over the idea that greed is good and leads to socially acceptable outcomes. The core of the Reagan-Thatcher revolution is that greed (especailly that of financiers capturing future cash flows of the real world for their personal, immediate profit) spontaneously improves the common good, and that all regulations and taxes that limit it should be dismantled.

Well, we're about to see the price of that grand collective delusion. But we, especially those of us that call  ourselves progressives, should not mistake our target. Bankers and financiers should be made to pay for their follies but that is only a small part of it. The big thing is to blame it on the failed, and utterly dangerous, ideology of the efficient markets/society doesn't exist/government is the problem crowd. otherwise it will start again - and not only that, but their proposed remedy WILL be lower wages, fewer worker rights, lower taxes and the other usual "reforms."

Again, the fact that a bubble is now publicly acknowledged ensures that there will be a major economic correction, irrespective of whether there is a full financial meltdown or not. There will be pain. There will be calls for bailouts. There will be further pressure on the lower and middle classes to bear the brunt of the price. Unless we have a coherent alternative economic discourse on the crisis - that of strict regulation of the financial world (real regulation, not the busybody but pretend kind like we have right now), bankers will continue to capture wealth, even as the pie shrinks.

Finance guy opens two hedge funds. He bets all the money of one on Black and all the money of the other on Red. He takes twenty percent of the profit from the fund that suceeds and closes the fund that fails. He knows exactly what he is doing.

Consider the home buyer. He borrows the closing costs and 105% of the price of the house. Lives cheaper than rent for three years on the teaser rate. Then gives the house back to the bank. His credit rating is ruined but he was never creditworthy in the first place. He knows exactly what he is doing.

Consider the banker. He lend the money. Take out their fees. Then sell the loan to the hedge funds. He knows exactly what he is doing.

Everybody made money on the merry-go-round. Now that the ride has stopped, they'll go off and do something else laughing all the way. The next dot-com.

Well, it isn't true that everyone made money. Someone has to be left holding the bag when the smart money gets out. In the case of hedge funds one of the biggest bag holders is pension funds. Many of the largest hedge funds have a 24% pension fund interest.

So, once again, the little guy got left holding the bag. And this wild ride is far from over.

I didn't do any of those things. I just worked, paid my bills and took care of my family. Do I get a consolation prize?

No. You are part of the group that gets to pay the piper.

Being a decent person investing in a corrupt society doesn't pay, because even if just 30% of the assets around you fall through the floor, yours falls with them even if you did everything right.

The sub prime borrowers are not the victims, they are the cornerstone of the force that causes your loss.

You can have a crack dealer on the corner, but he only becomes a problem when he has customers. Without customers he becomes a casualty.

REPENT I say! THE END IS NIGH! AKNOWLEDGE YOUR SINS AND REPENT, and your soul might not be damned FOREVER!

oh, you ignorants! Do you not know that hell BURNS FOR EVER AND EVER?! May God forgive you, for you have not known what you have been doing. May you all REPENT!, and thus be SAVED!

ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR SAVIOUR ALREADY!

Robert...

"Consider the home buyer...he knows exactly what he is doing."

I disagree with your scenario about the attitude of home buyers. It strikes me as too cavalier. Some people might be doing what you suggest, of course, but certainly not the majority. The difference between the average buyer and the finance guy or the banker is a big one. Most buyers' motivation is to have a home, and a mid-to-long term investment.

Most buyers have no idea how the financing really works. They are told in various ways (via books, as well as by mortgage sales folks) that it's EASY to get a mortgage. Thrilled they can have the chance to own a house, they sign on the dotted line. After all, if they are told the monthly payments will approximate their rent, why not do it?

Beyond the situation where someone has an adjustable rate that starts jumping higher, there are all other costs of owning real property. Ongoing maintenance costs, emergency repairs, increases in utility rates, increases in taxes, increases in additional necessary costs such as water and sewer and garbage pick up if those aren't included in local taxes. Let's see, then there's gas, food, and...

I guess I'm taking your comment personally because those are the things that are slamming me right now. I bought my current house three years ago (very low fixed rate - with a solid bank lender) and seven months later I lost my job. I was out of work for quite a long time and dipped into savings over and over to keep afloat. Now I have my sweet home (my third in 25 years) on the market and it's not a pretty picture.

My credit rating was STELLAR when I closed on this place, but now...well, I'm walking a tightrope.

I'm taking your comment personally ... months later I lost my job. I was out of work for quite a long time and dipped into savings to keep afloat.

Thanks for sharing that with us.

This is probably how decline and collapse of civilization is going to feel, personally, for each of us.

Suddenly. For no apparent reason. Your services are no longer required. Society has no room for you as a contributing member. You are no longer part of the mainstream. You have been cut to run on your own.

The place where you seek shelter; your home, quickly slips out of your hands ... and then you are out on the streets, homeless.

You get relabeled as a loitering vagrant, a rabid dog to be shot on sight. You have only yourself to blame. Do not cast mud on those who lured you into suburbitopia and who profited in the process. They are the white shirted angels who were merely doing "business" in the fair and square tradition. They are without fault. It's all yours to be enjoyed on an exclusive basis. Heads they win, tails you lose.

Suddenly. For no apparent reason. Your services are no longer required. Society has no room for you as a contributing member. You are no longer part of the mainstream. You have been cut to run on your own.

Also known as "manadatory retirement", which millions of us experience every year, good years and bad.

The fun part about being a Cassandra is you only have to be right once to get an "Infallible Oracle" brand on your forehead. You can be wrong time after time but that one time that the end really is nigh, you get all the babes.

Hi Bkhere,

I can sympathize if Robert cannot.

I was unemployed for five years: 2000 through 2005.

Never had a home but lost all retirement savings.

Today I spit in the face of politicos, particularly republican ones, since I did everything society told me to do:

- stayed out of trouble
- didn't do drugs
- served in the military
- earned two college degrees.

So much for all of that "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" republican bullshit.

I for one am ready for a reset to the American dream which in my world means the "Second American Revolution".

All I can say is hang in there and spit in the face of the bullshit artists like Robert. They know not of your pain, only their betterment at our expense!

May we know what your areas of study were in college?

Hi SacredCowTipper,

Yes, BSEE and MBA.

Of the two, the MBA has proven far more valuable as US corporations have hollowed out technical staff in favor of outsourced expertise.

Quite counterintuitive.

By the way, I PAID for both of these degrees myself - no handouts from anyone!

as US corporations have hollowed out technical staff in favor of outsourced expertise

We complain here at TOD about Joe Sixpack being unaware of Peak Oil.

I wonder how many here are aware of this other phenomenon, namely, that being all you can be and getting an engineering degree is the new lie of our society?

Prole is not kidding. I work in a tech-affiliated field and see over the recent years how the engineering ranks have been decimated in the USA.

The big laugh is watching politicians (like Barak Obama on CSPAN this morning) extolling the virtues of getting a higher education and graduating more engineers in this country. He probably means well. Just doesn't have a clue.

Today, even getting an MBA is questionable as the financial remnants of our hollowed out economy begin to crumble under the stress.

I had a friend in law school whose brother graduated from Notre Dame with a an engineering degree and high honors. Could not find a job. Wound up going to DePaul law school.

Problem is ... everybody is going to law school.

There are WAY too many lawyers. It is a pretty sad commentary on our society that everything has to be settled by litigation or incarceration.

Better that than settling everything the old fashion way ... by uncivil action, such as by a duel to the death.

But my point was not that. Rather; when they "all" graduate from law school, who is going to be their client? There won't be anybody else left.

While it is true that a single lawyer in a small town starves while two do well, the curve doesn't keep going that way. If the whole town is filled with nothing but lawyers, they're all unemployed.

Milton Friedman made the observation years ago that our economy was heading towards a unsustainable service economy where there would be two insurance salesman facing each other at a table and trying to sell each other insurance.

Bruce,

My records show it is time for us to meet and reassess your current insurance policy. We have many novel packages that will match with your evolving needs. We have a new post-peak plan called Catchusifucan which is ideally suited for your demographic.

"If the whole town is filled with nothing but lawyers, they're all unemployed."

That would be..... Buffalo, NY.

Well, as they say, a town that cannot support one lawyer can always support two.

We're trying to do something about the lawyer problem.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/nsalawsuit/nsalawsuit.htm#reportrespo...

I have an MS in Mechanical Engineering. When I started school in 1967 the LA Times had (no kidding) 100 pages of employment ads for engineers. Even though I don't look for work anymore I am amazed at how few engineering jobs are available in the SF Bay area. I suppose if your talents are in software or specialized EE areas you are employable but for mechanical types: head for China.

Ditto for Silicon Valley.
There was a time, before the 2001 dot.com bust when the Sunday paper was thicker than two telephone books because of all the help wanted sections.

Now it is an anorexic shadow of itself.

There aren't even the same number of regular advertisements.
Who are you going to advertise to? The unemployed engineers?

(Of course, part of the problem is that jobs, classifieds, etc. are now advertised on the internet rather than via newspapers which is why papers are dying. However, the general trend is still that all the hardware jobs are heading to China and all the software jobs to India and Romania. Silicon is no longer made in "Silicon" Valley. It's all made in China, Taiwan, Malaysia. We have "evolved" into a "new" economy thanks to globalization.)

I'm an underemployed engineer myself - Iowa State's computer science program, and now I work in that icky VoIP area. Its booming, even today, but I'm underworked due to disability. I have a mild case of Asperger's Syndrome - I look and act normal a good bit of the time, but I'm different enough in person that its caused me immense grief in employment.

A number of people posting here seem to have mentioned Asperger's. If there's ever a new demographic questionnaire done, that might be an interesting question for it. Could be that hyperanalytical people are disproportionately drawn here.

Or maybe not caring about social herding cues confers an advantage for 'black swan' type perceptions.

Or perhaps we're just peculiar.

You can add me to the list. I definitely have ADHD and may have some kind of aspergers/high functioning autism. Or just have lousy social skills. In any case, one person said I have it and other people say I don't. People don't come to TOD if they think the solution to peak oil is to con some other poor bastard out of their oil.

I also have Asperger's. I have also noticed more and more those posting on this forum and others saying the same thing. I too have wondered what the percentage of "Aspies" or others on the Autism scale are represented on TOD. I do know that we with Asperger's tend to view the world differently than most.

Anyone else out there?

Given the high maths involved, the aspect of this case being very complex, though very interesting, from a logical point of view, so counter-intuitive (from the business-as-usual standpoint), anti-social, and so fundamentally "big", I have no wonder at all that many "aspies" are interested in this subject. For me it is corroboration that it is such an interesting phenomenon...

I wonder how many here are aware of this other phenomenon, namely, that being all you can be and getting an engineering degree is the new lie of our society?

New lie? You think this is a new lie? You obviously haven't been around very long. Engineering is and has been a terrible career for anyone wanting steady income and security. I know engineers who spent half the 70s on unemployment after the aerospace crash. Every senior engineer I know from the 80s on has told me to get my MBA if I want a chance of staying with a company beyond the completion of a contract.

You're much better off becoming a plumber. Toilets always need unplugging and it's not a job that can be successfully outsourced to India (the trip charge is a deal killer!).

Orion,

New lie? You think this is a new lie?

I'm right there with you. I was on one of those on the unemployment lines in the 70's (when the Vietnam war ended and there was no more of a need by our Great Society for engineers to calculate how much Butter is needed for lubing the Guns).

However ...
Do realize that every year our universities graduate a new litter of technology-armed graduates, salivating at the mouth, wagging their tails, and eager to serve their masters. The Market will provide.

You got a surplus of skilled engineers? That is one of the bottlenecks in the Swedish workforce. You dont happen to also have a surplus of skilled programmers, welders, plumbers, metal cutting machine operators, concrete workers and so on?

Its odd if skilled people cant get work, you ought to invest like mad in the energy sector and so on.

Hi prole,

I'm right there with you since my life to date fits much the same profile. I also hold a BSEE and hope to be finishing an MSEE in a month or two. I tell myself the MSEE is for me, but I probably wouldn't be doing it if the company wasn't paying. Sometimes I think I should've spent all that time going out to get high and get laid.

As luck would have it I also work in the MI-complex. My idiot managers are throwing my skill, training, and intellect away on filling out Excel spreadsheets and adjusting sliders in MS Project.

To put things in perspective, I was working with Excel and drafting architectural plans in AutoCAD in middle school. I was designing and conducting my own mechanical and acoustic science experiments in high school. I helped design, build, and successfully field test cellular repeaters in college.

I get my passive-aggressive revenge on management by constantly showing up late and doing about 10 actual hours of their 'work' a week. Somehow I wound up with two cubicles, so I can almost always tell these pukes, "I was in the other building dude." If that fails, then "I was taking the Browns to the Super Bowl."

My friends and I find it physically painful to watch "The Office" on NBC. That's how accurate a picture it paints.

My idiot managers are throwing my skill, training, and intellect away on filling out Excel spreadsheets and adjusting sliders in MS Project.

Pay attention dude.

It's a "cost plus contract".
You're the cost and your managers are laughing all the way to the bank.

They are not "idiots".
Instead, you are Dilbert.

Why do you live in a cubicle (or two)?
Don't you deserve an office?
For heavens sake you have a BSEE degree!

P.S. When I was young, I too worked as a double E (with MS!) in the MI-complex. I was too dumb to understand that I was just cannon fodder for the cost plus contracts. They didn't want me to actually do good work; just to run up justifiable costs. That's your real job dude. Figure out how to charge Uncle Sam more without being caught.

I can still find work with my MSEE degree but now it has to be with military industrial companies prevented by the nature of their work from offshoring. I spent the first twenty years of my career making products people actually wanted to buy.

I think a science education is a very useful and scarce thing to have even if it doesn't directly lead to lifetime employment. There are already too many idiots out there. Why do people get liberal arts degrees? They think reading Shakespeare in the original Klingon makes them a better person.

Hi Bkhere,

I can sympathize if Robert cannot.

I was unemployed for five years: 2000 through 2005.

Sorry to hear that.

Never had a home but lost all retirement savings.

May I ask why you never purchased a home?

Today I spit in the face of politicos, particularly republican ones, since I did everything society told me to do:

I got laid off in 1989, with a optical physics BS, I was underemployed for two years, then started my own buiness and now semi-retired at 45 years old.

Pulling myself by the boot-straps was good advice for me!

- stayed out of trouble
- didn't do drugs
- served in the military
- earned two college degrees.

Thank you for your serice. Sometimes it takes more than what you've outlined to succeed in life. You didn't buy a home, at time when homes were inexpensive, thus I suspect, but await the details, on your investments you made in the 90s.

Did you have a divorce in your recent past? That alone can break some people finanically.

So much for all of that "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" republican bullshit.

Like I said above, worked out pretty good for me. The people I grew up with who didn't pull themselves up are the ones still living off of Mom and dad's kindness!

I for one am ready for a reset to the American dream which in my world means the "Second American Revolution".

Oh really? Notice how everyone is "ready" but they never actually do something about it? So you had some bad luck, what can I say since I don't know much about you, and you want to burn the barn down? Do you realize that would ruin many millions of lives who haven't had your bad fortune?

Or do you not care?

All I can say is hang in there and spit in the face of the bullshit artists like Robert. They know not of your pain, only their betterment at our expense!

I'm sorry you are so bitter. I will say a prayer for you that things will turn around.

[The system] worked out pretty good for me. The people I grew up with who didn't pull themselves up are the ones still living off of Mom and dad's kindness!

That's the way it is with winners and losers in any zero sum "game". The winners are convinced everything was fair and balanced. The losers are convinced the playing field was tilted.

Steroids anybody?

Not only are these "winners" convinced of the validity of the system, but it was their talent alone that led to their success. Never mind any luck or uncontrollable circumstances being involved such as being in the right place at the right time, having the right mentor or friends, or even having the right name or color of skin. Can’t have any doubt as to the merit of the status of our high stations can we.