USA 2034: A Look Back at the 25th Anniversary Year
Posted by Prof. Goose on October 26, 2007 - 4:00pm
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: electric rail, electric transport, light rail, original, peak oil, public transportation [list all tags]
This is a guest vision by friend of The Oil Drum, Alan S. Drake.
After an extended period of bewildering, painful and rewarding transition, the people of the USA finally feel that they have found their feet underneath them, with a clear and hopeful path to the future. Oil consumption is down to 6.6 million barrels/day, 30% of our 2007 peak oil use, and CO2 emissions are 26% of their 2011 peak, a matter of pride for most Americans.
Rapid reductions in world carbon emissions (almost as great as US reductions), plus some negative feedback loops, have kept Global Warming effects manageable. Persistent and prolonged droughts in the American Southwest have been the largest effect so far in the USA.
At long last the goal of “Not One Drop” of oil is being burned to transport people and freight over the nations railroads. All of the main and secondary lines are electrified with battery locomotives for some short spurs.
A nationwide system of grade separated main lines are complete with new extensions being added every year. Two tracks for heavy freight moving at 50 to 70 mph and one or two tracks (three in California and the Northeast) for passengers and light & medium density freight moving at maximum speeds of 110 to 125 mph. The 2005 CSX proposal for Washington DC to Miami became a template for the nation. There is growing demand for true high speed rail and politicians are searching for funding.
All interstate highways are heavily tolled and reduced to no more than 4 lanes (a few urban 6 and even 8 lanes survive) with some down to one travel lane in each direction with a wide and unmaintained shoulder. Heavy trucking is reduced to shuttling containers from the nearest railhead to those remaining warehouses and factories not directly served by rail, plus a few specialty roles such as delivering wind turbines to remote rural locations.
Boeing 797s (successor to 737 using 787 technology) rule the skies, with different models providing 130 to 210 seats on direct flights between major rail centers at fuel saving cruise speeds of 400 to 450 mph. The new paradigm for cross-country travel is to take rail to the regional hub airport, catch one of the 1 to 3 direct daily flights to another hub airport and rail to the final destination. Regional passenger rail dominates inter-city trips up to 250 miles and becomes a minor mode for trips much over 600 miles. Overall travel volumes have declined dramatically due to increasing costs and reduced economic activity.
Barge traffic picked up significantly twenty years ago, with container barge trains stopping daily (one up stream bound, the other downstream bound) at every major river port. Ever higher oil prices, have made electrified railroads more competitive and they have taken market share from the barges in recent years. Tugs are experimenting with coal emulsion fuel as a counter measure.
The North American electrical grid failed in it’s goal of 90% non-GHG generation due to a hotter than expected summer, but 89.7% is still a major step forward ! Wind turbines supplied nearly half the total MWh, and nuclear power over a quarter. For the first time the USA completed six nuclear reactors this year (with one each in Canada and Mexico as well). The new large Canadian hydro projects are pretty well complete and the microhydro saturation in USA is well over half completed. Several percent come from solar thermal in the desert Southwest (USA & Mexico) and solar photovoltaic is now growing exponentially, reminding many of the earlier “Rush to Wind”.
A growing grid of HV DC lines (3 to 10 GW capacity each) connect wind turbines from the Wind Export Belt to both pumped storage and demand centers in redundant triangles. The first such triangle connected western Oklahoma, pumped storage near Chattanooga Tennessee and Orlando Florida (with a spur to Miami). A short spur from Chattanooga to near Birmingham Alabama created more parallel paths and added Alabama to the new HV DC grid. Other HV DC triangles connect Southern California to Wyoming and Montana (started in 2006) with pumped storage in the Rockies and North Dakota/Manitoba with the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and Chicago. And thirty more such triangles exist..
Occasionally fossil fuels (coal and natural gas) are burned to generate electricity during a cold winter spell, but coal fired plants are routinely fired for months each summer to meet the still large air conditioner demand. Debate over how to turn these power plants off still rages.
Some point to the success of the conversion from oil heat to ground loop (geothermal) heat pumps and suggest this is a worthwhile path to reduce residual residential natural gas demand and to create more efficient air conditioning.
Others point to the success of implementing German standards for insulation and energy efficiency for new construction (R-49 walls etc for most of the nation) and suggest accelerated scrapping of inaccessible housing (with the well known other energy savings and carbon capture that go with converting Suburbia back to orchards) and further expanding TOD housing, both in Urban and Suburban commuter rail nodes. They criticize the money wasted on retrofitting insulation into Exurban McMansions that were later abandoned, while others think the Great Retreat from Suburbia has run it’s course and we should focus more on retrofitting older construction and less on new. All sides agree with strengthening the insulation and energy efficiency upgrades required before rental housing can be sold.
There is also a raging debate between solar, wind and nuclear supporters on how best to eliminate the summer coal burning. Wind proponents point to their lower cost of production/MWh and that new nukes will require just as much pumped storage as would new wind, They also mention the Bellefonte Incident.
Nuke supporters say that several times each year we have a surplus of wind already (all pumped storage full, nuke production stepped down and still power goes to waste) and fewer than 100 people died in the Bellefonte Incident. Wind turbine maintenance kills a dozen every year. Wind production drops in the summer and there is no practical way to store large amounts of power from spring into summer unless the Great Lakes Scheme is implemented. And even holding back the spring waters in the Great Lakes till summer would not be enough.
Solar proponents argue that solar output peaks at noon on summer solstice, and has not significantly declined by mid-afternoon in late summer when coal burning reaches a maximum. Solar is underrepresented in the national grid and more solar will help the grid.
And many Greens just want higher in-door temperatures and less air conditioning till the last coal fired plant is mothballed !
Arlington Texas is now the last American town over 100,000 without electrified public transportation (just as it was the only town without public buses 25 years ago). Needless to say Arlington is a dangerous, bankrupt slum and will soon slip below 100,000 population (at least those willing to be counted). The Texas Rangers moved from their Arlington stadium to a light rail hub over a decade ago so that fans could get to games.
Elsewhere, an array of subways and elevated rapid Rail, plus Light Rail, Streetcars and electric trolley buses supply the majority of urban Vehicles Miles Traveled and commuter trains keep the remaining suburban townships going. At night trolley freight uses the tracks to distribute food and goods. Most towns of 60,000 and more have some form of electrified transit today.
Boston was a historic example of a comprehensive commuter rail network that can support walkable suburbia clustered around rail stations. Today, dozens of cities now emulate Boston and almost a fifth of the population lives in Transit Suburbia as it is now called.

Polls from the turn of the century showed that 30% of Americans wanted to live in Transit Orientated Development but fewer than 2% could because of the lack thereof. Today, in a reverse of the White Flight to Suburbia from 1950 to 1970, almost exactly one third of the population lives in TOD and another quarter want to as part of the Great Retreat from Suburbia.
Electric assisted tricycles have become the icon of aging baby boomers, and the constant butt of jokes on late night TV talk shows. They are the ULTIMATE un-cool means of transportation and NO self-respecting teenager would EVER be caught on one !
The “in ride” is a recumbent bicycle with an oversized rear tire and fairings painted in iridescent (or black) paint, preferably with a matching single wheel trailer for “stuff”.
Early in the Post-Peak Oil Era, many turned to gasoline powered scooters and small motorcycles, but first public policy and then economics turned against them when it was realized that 100 mpg was not good enough (and accidents mounted). Instead electric assist bicycles were encouraged and many two ways streets were turned into one way streets with the other lane becoming a two way bike lane. Segways also developed a loyal following.
In the early years Post-Peak Oil, Neighborhood Electric Vehicles (such as the classic http://www.gemcar.com The New Model T) and Bicycles contested for modal share with the out-of-shape and obese strongly favoring NEVs at first. Cultural values and parking fees lead to today’s dominance by bicycles but NEVs still occupy a large niche.
Plug-in Hybrids and small diesels also had a contest for modal share. Farmers and other rural residents tend towards small diesels, many of whom make their own (or buy a neighbors) small scale bio-diesel. Surviving Suburbanites tend towards PHEVs, which typically get 100 to 130 mpg today.
However, since the cost of maintaining the remaining roads (asphalt is just very heavy oil that can be upgraded to fuel) has escalated dramatically and public policy has placed the full cost of all city streets and rural roads on privately owned cars and trucks (most heavily on those that use oil) and removed it from property taxes (bicycles get a free ride), the inflation adjusted cost of operating a 100 mph PHEV or small diesel is several times that of operating a Hummer in 2009. Given the economic decline Post-Peak Oil, driving a full size car is reserved for the well-to-do and is occasionally meet with hostility, especially towards those that drive oil burners and not straight EVs.
Most Post-Peak Oil Suburbia descended into a spiral that duplicated the post-WW II decline of central cities and downtowns. Mortgage defaults started the decline, with empty houses first depressing the market, followed by declining public services, poorer schools and changing population demographics and ever rising oil prices past all expectations.
The revocation of prohibitions against “red lining” (to reduce massive mortgage losses) brought back the same post-WW II effects that central cities once experienced. Willing buyers had trouble financing Suburban housing due to their perpetually declining values and massive overhang of unsold properties.
Recent academic studies have shown that once a subdivision stayed below 42% occupancy for over a year, there would be no recovery. Occupancy rates quickly plunged in “Suburban Flight” after this tipping point. After that, experience has taught us that salvaging the empty homes for materials and planting the land with orchard crops was usually the optimum choice.
Housing square feet/capita has more than doubled in the 60 years prior to Peak Oil, and declined that much and more in the last 25 years. Retail space had expanded by an order of magnitude and underwent a similar decline. The prolonged economic depression due to persistent and ever growing oil shortfalls resulted in much more compressed populations relying on primarily non-oil transportation. Even 100 mpg scooters cost too much for most people. Walking, bicycling (electric assist for the better off), electrified rail, mainly small electrical vehicles for the upper class, and even the occasional horse or a donkey with cart.
“The Energy Solution” first put forward in 2008 included housing as part of the transportation fuels solution. Reduced natural gas use for water heating (tankless gas hot water heaters, heat pump water heaters and solar water heaters), space heating (much better insulation & windows, ground loop heat pumps) and electrical generation (wind turbines, solar PV & thermal, nuclear power plants and pumped storage) released natural gas and propane/butane for use as specialty transportation fuels despite the declining supply of natural gas. Conservation exceeded natural gas depletion in a mad rush !
As we all know, the first decade post-Peak Oil was quite difficult. History calls it the “Bad Tens” for good reason. Suicides peaked at 8 times pre-Peak levels for a decade post-Peak and are now down to just twice pre-Peak levels. Demographics shifted significantly, as they did when the Soviet Union collapsed. Life expectancy declined almost a decade in the USA, but it was more gender balanced that in Russia.
Overall mortality increased dramatically in the Bad Tens, just as it did a few years earlier in post-Katrina New Orleans. The long term effects of obesity and diabetes combined with chaotic healthcare for most citizens and simple despair and disorientation resulted in a 50% increase in the death rate for those ten years. Healthcare reforms and a radical change in lifestyle and diet have turned this downward slide around and life expectancy today is now just 1.7 years less than it was in 2007 !
Birth rates fell dramatically in the Bad Tens and have crept ever lower year by year since then, and this year saw the first small increase in fertility to 1.21 children/woman.
A massive expulsion of non-citizens (both legal and illegal) followed the 2016 election. Many American living abroad were forced home as a result but the USA was left with 15 million fewer consumers, significant social issues and a still raging debate.
Much has been lost in the last quarter century, but few regret the loss of every greater extremes of consumer excess. The use of the word “consumer” is now considered a pejorative and an insult to one’s values. “Citizen” is a title of pride again, with an implied understanding of duties and obligations that go with that title.
And much has been gained. Social isolation shrank with Suburbia and the economy. Many found compassion and caring for their fellow humanity within themselves in the Bad Tens. People think, and talk and plan, of the “generations to come” and the New America.
As we close this year of 2034, for the first time in a quarter century, we can now say that next year looks to be better than this last year. Our problems are not solved, but we know the solution and we are confident of our ability to work and sweat towards sustainable, workable solutions !
Best Hopes for the Future,
Alan Drake
The above was not written as a work of fiction, but as an aid to the modelers at the Millennium Institute. A “word picture” to supplement the dry statistics.
The results of “Alan Drake’s Vision” are much more positive than any other scenario that they have run on their T21 model. Ever.
This work was also presented at the Houston ASPO-USA conference.



Now for the most important question, how was the pecan pie?
LMAO !
It *IS* important to stay grounded in the moment !
On the advice of my mother and my MD friend (see waist and scales), I have cut the pie into quarters, frozen it, and cut off a "nibble" and microwave it :-)
Quite Good !
Best Hopes for Good Food and other simple pleasures :-)
Alan
(After filling up on Gulf Coast seafood, Alan and JHK had no room left for pecan pie, so I gave them Goode Company pecan pies to take back home.)
They are truly outstanding pecan pies. They cook the cust a little more thoroughly than most, and it brings out the toasted pecan flavor.Jim Goode really perfected a local treasure into a masterpiece.
The Flying Saucer Pie Company on Crosstimbers has clearly the best apple or coconut cream pie, though.
There is the possibility of a lot of positive changes from peak oil for our society if we view it as opportunity rather than terror and bleakness.
Commuting is a perfect example of this. In the Houston-Galveston-Conroe-Katy-Baytown Metropolitan Area the commutting times are terrible. Most families have all the adults working, and the commuting times are averaging about 45 minutes each way. In lots of parts of the area, the times run an hour and a half each way stuck in stop and go traffic having to pay attention to the road. There's no real choice; the city bus system doesn't reach beyond the city limits of Houston and only Galveston has a municipal bus and streetcar line. Automobiles are fantasticly expensive, they cost from $100 a week up for a 45 minute commute. The average job takes 9 hours a day, so people are left with no more than 2 or 3 hours a day for their families and entertainment most days, assuming they spend their weekend time off doing the other necessities like laundry, cleaning, bathing, preparing and eating food.Sure, we have more money and a terrible quality of life.
Cutting down on home size means we won't have as much room for Walcrap, but it requires a whole lot less money to pay for or heat and cool, plus less effort to clean. Riding a bicycle to work is enjoyable, and so is sitting on a commuter train reading a book or talking with your neighbor as opposed to listenening to a shock jock or a political nut on the radio. Fresh garden vegetables taste better, as do slow-cooked meals.
So the peak will mean increased quality of life in the things that count-time for friends, time for family, good food and joy in a garden or a book! Embrace the peak! Bob Ebersole
The Markets and "CFC soars" are rising today.
They're rising because the Fed is going to cut % rates.
They're rising because the "moral hazard" is not being removed.
They're rising because DC is going to attack Iran.
http://www.google.com/search?q=csx+derailments+children%27s+investment+d...
Go here and see how CSX is doing today.
Like DC, if current management stays in place, and as long
as it does so, we're in The Wealth Via Failure Paradigm.
Courtesy: http://drhousingbubble.blogspot.com/
Putin Drops Bombshell: "If you attack Iran, you attack Russia"
A high-level diplomatic source in Tehran tells Asia Times Online
that essentially Putin and the Supreme Leader have agreed on a
plan to nullify the Bush administration's relentless drive towards
launching a preemptive attack, perhaps a tactical nuclear strike,
against Iran. An American attack on Iran will be viewed by Moscow
as an attack on Russia.
The above is coming from several web sites that have been consistently correct since 121200.
Courtesy LATOC.
New Orleans will be in the GOM for all to see in less than ten years.
The Mississippi River will be turning into the Atchafalaya
at anytime. The only thing that can save NO, BTW.
Which meanss that all infrastructure S of BR will
be inoperative.
Perry Arnett has more on the Unruly Power Grid.
http://www.peakoil.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=28505
And we're past the Tipping Point on Climate Change.
The Arctic going Ice Free is not a precursor.
It's the Positive Feedback Loop kicking in for all to see.
The Triangulation of PO, Climate Change (We are now leaving the Holocene), and Population Overshoot, Stabilization and DieOff will be the End of Civilation.
Maybe we, the US can hold for a while at 1886 levels.
That's the Hope right now.
And Great Article, Alan. I love trains.
Sincerely yours,
James
See Iraq for details on our future.
Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens
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Had we started down the track of shifting from an oil-based economy, this scenario might have been possible. With an imminent (or past) peak upon us, and recognition of it growing, the economy can't be sustained to make the investments required for such rosy transitions, no matter how desirable.
We built subways in all of our largest cities and streetcars in 500 cities and towns with almost no oil at all (1897-1916).
We had less than a third of our current population (bit more than 1/3rd by 1916) and about 4% of todays GDP (inflation adjusted).
Just give me the current street & highway building budget, and I can do a lot !
Best Hopes for Realism,
Alan
I'm aware of the prevalence of streetcar lines we had (your figures seem to be a bit on the high side), though your scenario doesn't describe how we get around;
- Massive national debt
- Record levels of personal debt
- Rapid devaluation of the USD
- Much larger population sprawled considerably further out
I am drawn to the hope expressed in your scenario, though the realist in me gives it about a 20% chance at best.
Current street and highway budgets are 'owned' by the road, auto, gasoline, and tire companies, supported by citizens who are tired of waiting in traffic. These budgets will drop precipitously after the post oil economic collapse. Coal and coal-to-liquids will undoubtedly fill much of the energy gap due to emergency 'needs' of society to maintain its current level of 'civilization'.
Best Hopes for the luck of the 20% chance,
Will
WHAT ARE THE ODDS ?
Almost impossible to tell.
But they are zero if I, and others, do not try !
TPTB will not automatically default to the best solutions, of that I am sure.
Best Hopes,
Alan
Alan: It is a hopeful vision for the USA, but IMO there are other changes afoot that have little or nothing to do with oil depletion. If this is a vision of 2034 USA, it will have to be (to a certain extent) a vision of 2034 Mexico, because Mexico is tied to the USA like a Siamese twin. The expected overwhelming economic dominance of Asia was absent, I assume the assumption is that the USA's relative position circa 2007 can be frozen for 27 years, whatever the current trends. I don't mean to be critical, you have good ideas- for your vision to be implemented the culture of the USA will need to be radically altered toward that of Japan/Sweden/France/Germany. I don't think this will happen- I hope I am wrong and you are right on this one.
Pain is a strong motivator for change. And I expect a lot of pain in the "Bad Tens". *IF* we can replicate some of the prior changes in American history, it will be a positive change.
IMVHO, Step One in a positive change is a vision of just what that change should be. General Motors had it's vision of the future city at the 1939-1940 New York World's Fair. I have mine.
Best Hopes,
Alan
"What is now prooved was once only imagined."
from William Blakes "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell", Proverbs of Hell section
Bob Ebersole
I would have selected "The Terrible Tens" as the name for the next decade. Alliteration is always more catchy.
Done !
I will use this in all future revisions, etc.
Best Hopes for a short decade,
Alan
Alan,
Speaking of the 'teen decade, the vision you have created bears much similiarity to the work and predictions of Professor Jack Lessinger. In his books he predicts a dramatic shift in our priorities (in our new shared American Dream actually) coming to a head in the 2020's following a very rough period during the decades of the 2000's and the 2010's.
His very persuasive premise is that our shared vision of "the American Dream" has changed - quite drastically - every few generations throughout American history. In his book he tracks the past changes and the upcoming one.
The old American dream we have grown up hearing about is nicknamed "The Little King" in recognition of its focus on getting the little suburban 1/4 acre kingdom. The Little King dream is also very consumeristic, individualistic, and focuses primarily on the short-term. BUT it was a useful dream in it's day - you'll have to read the books to see what long past problem the Little King dream fixed.
But now the excesses of the Little King have broken a different facet of our society and a new American dream is rapidly growing in strength and awareness to disperse the Little King and repair the damage. Lessinger has nicknamed this new American dream "The Responsible Villager". This new dream is strongly anti-suburb, anti-consumerism, focused on the long-term and on strengthening the community. (Sound familiar?) Pretty much an opposite of today's Little King.
His original book on this was called "Schizomania" where schizo = split and mania = American Dream (we are currently in a period of two battling manias - the entrenched faltering Little Kings vs the inexperienced but strengthening Responsible Villagers.
He now has a new book updating his theory of American social change called "CHANGE: Fall of the Consumer Economy, Rise of the Responsible Capitalist"
You can read some brief intros to his work at:
http://www.jacklessinger.com/change.html
http://jacklessinger.blogspot.com/
http://www.predicting2020.com/
- but the books do it much better justice...
Your above future scenario meshes very well with Lessinger's predictions of our transformation into Responsible Villagers. Do an inter-library loan request and give "Schizomania" a read, it's very persuasive.
Greg in MO
"The expected overwhelming economic dominance of Asia was absent"
Peak Oil, as Hirsch said in his ASPO lecture, means the proportion fall in world GDP as oil supplies fall. I doubt very much Asia will continue growing, in fact India and China will have a disproportionate amount of people to try to manage post-peak.
Forget about the rise of China as a world superpower, the assumption was China could grow at 10% a year for the next 30 years. Not going to happen.
Yes, and what is China going to do about that? With an ever growing population, every increasing demand for food and resources, and ever increasing pollution they are going to be squeezed big time. The question is will China start to throw it's weight around to jockey for more of the resource pie. If history is any lesson the answer is yes. Just who will be in their crosshairs?
Richard Wakefield
London, Ont.
No one is ahead of their time, just the rest of humanity is slow to catch on.
You may want to take a look at this:
India’s population ‘to outstrip China by 2030’
"Yes, and what is China going to do about that? With an ever growing population, every increasing demand for food and resources, and ever increasing pollution they are going to be squeezed big time. The question is will China start to throw it's weight around to jockey for more of the resource pie. If history is any lesson the answer is yes. Just who will be in their crosshairs?"
Throw its weight around with what? Chinese military capabilities are limited to say the least. They have no ability to conduct over sea operations or international bombing and they have no aircraft carriers, China may have been a superpower in 2030 with another 23 years of growth but in the post-peak reality it will be struggling developing country with a high probability of large-scale population instability issues and hunger.
All these countries that "have no ability to conduct overseas operations" already have the "American people" infiltrated big time.
Odds are that Mexico would have a easier time taking over the US then we would have taking them over, their 5th column is in place.
Of course it is a little in jest, but there no longer is anything like the American people, more like an Iraq that hasn't quite broken out yet, sort of like Iraq under SH.
Aircraft carriers are relics of yesteryear's war. If you truly believe China is so incapable of throwing their weight around then I strongly suggest you review their actual military capabilities. While they may not have the direct capacity to invade the United States, they may not need to do so in order to bring us to our knees.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Dr. Albert Bartlett
Into the Grey Zone
Never deny the capability of a potential future enemy that is desparate for resources. You do so at our peril.
Richard Wakefield
London, Ont.
No one is ahead of their time, just the rest of humanity is slow to catch on.
Not a bad vision Alan. Lets hope we live this happily ever after.
I'm not that familiar with North American geography. Is the map included one of Boston? Before or after sea level rise?
The map is of Massachusetts with Boston highlighted in the East. A new commuter rail line (Greenbush, along coast southeast of Boston) should open in a few weeks. It is not on this map. Zero federal funding.
Alan
Are there any other maps like the one you have for Boston?
I would be interested even if you did not post them here. EMail me a link or the map itself.
Best hopes for you as Transportation Sect. Of the next President, if not the big guy himself.
God Grant you peace.
God Grant you Love of your fellow man.
God Grant you Faith and Trust.
Write in Candidate for President 2008.
Free Right Now party. No donations.
Term limits for congress, Min wage for them too
Charles Edward Owens Jr.
Houston will be underwater.
Anything built w/in 25 miles of the East Coast has maybe
a 25 year lifespan.
NO less than 10, as the Hurricane Pam/LSU folks have said.
Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens
As a note - much of the mid-Atlantic northwards East 'Coast' within 25 miles of salt water is significantly (often hundreds of feet) above sea level.
But not where the millions live. And their infrastructure.
DC is in a swamp. NYC can barely keep it's subways dry now.
Baltimore, Philadelphia. Rhode Island. I'm sure Dover will be underwater.
Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens
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Hmm...can anybody tell from where all the energy of this fantasy view of future is supposed to come from?
Nuclear? Don't fool yourself that tens of trillions of dollars needed for hundreds of new nuclear power plants would ever be provided. Suppose it do, then from where the engineers and scientists are suppose to come from to run these plants? How much time it take to build and run a nuclear power plant, graduate an engineer? From where would the fuel for these plants are supposed to come from? Oh, how are we supposed to mine the uranium, transport it to processing plants, then transport again to power plants? Oh yes all this can be done with electrified transport like we can make moon an inhabitable place, yes it is humanly possible, we just have to put in enough gases, fertilizers, plants, animals, micro organisms etc there. Don't worry yourself about the scale of operation thinking that if putting three men on moon for three days took 40 billion 1960s dollars how much would it take to put all those stuff discussed above on moon.
Coal? Yeah, like the current global warming is not enough. Burn it underground? What about the thousand unit volume of CO2 (a gas) produced when one unit volume of coal (a solid) is burned, ever thought how and where to store it?
Wind? Oh yes, like all the previous civilizations were damn stupid they didn't knew this 'massive' source of energy and somehow we are some kind of super humans who can do it.
Come on now, why is it so necessary to keep your personal cars? Having wealth has nothing to do with happiness. Being part of a close community is all that it is needed to make you happy.
Fossil fuels is one time gift, we found it, we used it, end of story. There is no substitute whatsoever of it.
Two days w/o electricity and New York's Subways are flooded.
According to Weisman, large parts of our physical infrastructure would begin to crumble almost immediately. Without street cleaners and road crews, our grand boulevards and superhighways would start to crack and buckle in a matter of months. Over the following decades many houses and office buildings would collapse, but some ordinary items would resist decay for an extraordinarily long time. Stainless-steel pots, for example, could last for millennia, especially if they were buried in the weed-covered mounds that used to be our kitchens. And certain common plastics might remain intact for hundreds of thousands of years; they would not break down until microbes evolved the ability to consume them.
In 5000 years the containers of nuclear warheads will
be disintegrating...
"...As serenely natural as the DMZ now is, it would be far different if people throughout Korea
suddenly disappeared. The habitat would not revert to a truly natural state until the dams that
now divert rivers to slake the needs of Seoul’s more than 20 million inhabitants failed—a
century or two after the humans had gone. But in the meantime, says Wilson, many creatures
would flourish. Otters, Asiatic black bears, musk deer, and the nearly vanquished Amur leopard
would spread into slopes reforested with young daimyo oak and bird cherry.
The few Siberian
tigers that still prowl the North Korean–Chinese borderlands would multiply and fan across
Asia’s temperate zones. “The wild carnivores would make short work of livestock,” he says.
“Few domestic animals would remain after a couple of hundred years. Dogs would go feral, but
they wouldn’t last long: They’d never be able to compete.”
If people were no longer present anywhere on Earth, a worldwide shakeout would follow. From
zebra mussels to fire ants to crops to kudzu, exotics would battle with natives. In time, says
Wilson, all human attempts to improve on nature, such as our painstakingly bred horses, would
revert to their origins.
If horses survived at all, they would devolve back to Przewalski’s horse,
the only true wild horse, still found in the Mongolian steppes...."
http://mit.edu/7.01x/7.014/documents/Ecological_Applications_2.pdf.
Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens
Mcgowanmc, I just started reading “The World Without Us” the other night. Fascinating read and hard to put down. Alan’s fantasy post neglects the human condition in a big way. What makes Alan think that the same species that cut down the primeval forest, eradicated the mega fauna from North America in short order after arrival, and consistently raped the Earth for personal gain and pleasure is going to stop now? Pain? Human history is written in blood and misery and pain is much more prevalent than peaceful co-existence. Were masters at inflicting pain. When the resources dwindle Humans will act as they always have - raiding their neighbors resources. Read the Iliad and tell me how much different man is from the characters in that story. Humans are the most destructive species to inhabit the planet so far. It is Pollyannaish to believe that with proper education mankind will suddenly become “enlightened” and learn to live within the confines of our planet.
'Without street cleaners and road crews, our grand boulevards and superhighways would start to crack and buckle in a matter of months'
No.
Flexible pavements have a typical treatment cycle of 7 years, rigid pavement >25 years and modern bridges >40 years between significant capital investments. Also, one of the primary deterioration mechanisms is heavy axle loads. Reduce them and increase life expectancy.
This flow chart suggests how things might progress if we (humans) were all to vanish tomorrow.
"Within 10 Years, Methane in atmosphere gone."
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Did we teach the buffalo and the other wild things not to fart before we went extinct?
RC