More Thoughts on Relocalization

Over the past week, Stuart Staniford and Sharon Astyk have written thought-provoking essays on the nexus of Peak Oil and relocalization, with Staniford suggesting that peak oil will not result in relocalization of agriculture because the industrialization of agriculture is not practicably reversible, and Astyk rebutting that idea. I think that both essays make important points, but I would like to offer a third perspective: that we have insufficient information to reach a conclusion about when energy scarcity will result in relocalization of agriculture, but that we will likely cross this threshold in the not-too-distant future and should prepare accordingly.

Astyk’s main critique of Staniford’s essay is, while important, focused primarily on the somewhat dismissive and partisan language of “reversalism.” I agree with this critique, and will not rehash it here. This critique does not, however, address the core of Staniford’s argument that centralization and hierarchal organization in agriculture will stabilize or intensify in the face of rising energy prices.

In my view, the primary weakness of Staniford’s analysis is the hidden substitution of causation for correlation in the body of his argument. My own writings have often been criticized as lacking in scientific analysis of hard data, and I accept that as the price of trying to approach causation directly. Graphs of data points, such as those dominating Staniford’s analysis, can clearly convey correlation with some causal mechanism—say an increasing linear function—but do nothing to establish that causal relationship itself. These graphs do nothing to establish a causal relationship between, to use Staniford’s examples, labor per acre or profit margin per acre and oil price. It could be pure coincidence that they appear positively correlated, much like the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast. As importantly, such correlations provide no insight as to whether the current correlative relationship will continue as oil prices increase—a small segment of a linear function, an exponential function, or a parabolic function may all fit this correlation, yet diverge wildly at later points. Here's an example: a graph showing the driving fatalities by age for 13 to 17 year olds will show a remarkable positive correlation between higher deaths at higher ages. The implied causality in such a graph is that aging causes driving fatalities. Of course, with the benefit of a much broader perspective, additional data showing that driving fatalities begin to decline significantly after roughly the age of 25, and the knowledge that (in the U.S.) one can get a license to drive at age 16, an alternate likely causality arises. This is, essentially, my critique of Standiford's argument--that while correlation may suggest causation on the very limited data set available to us, we really don't gain any insight into what will happen--or what form of agriculture will be most efficient--at oil prices equivalent to $200, $300, or more dollars per barrel. At risk of pushing too far into the philosophical, Staniford's analysis places us in the equivalent of Plato's cave where all we can see is the 13-17 year segment of the driving fatality graph. I won’t belabor this point any further—Scottish philosopher David Hume said this far better than I could if anyone cares to delve deeper into this line of thought.

Suffice it to say that, if we reject this substitution of causation for correlation, we’re left with Staniford’s rather bald conclusion that “industrial farmers are extremely efficient, and there is no way to compete with them except by becoming one” based solely on the presumptive correlation between various agricultural data in very recent history with historical oil prices. I don’t find that convincing, but Staniford must be given his due—he presents a plausible case, and certainly one that doesn’t disprove itself.

I think that the best way to approach this problem is to try to locate actual causal relationships that either A) make centralization and hierarchy more efficient means of organizing agriculture in the face of rising energy prices, or B) make decentralization a more efficient means of organizing agriculture in the face of rising energy prices:

A. Why would centralization of agriculture increase efficiency?

1. Economy of place: It is more efficient to grow oranges in Florida than in a heated greenhouse in upstate New York (or, to use the classic example, wine in Portugal than in England).
2. Economy of scale: It is more efficient for one man to grow ten orange trees than ten men to each grow one for a variety of reasons.
3. Specialization of knowledge processes: A contributor to #2 above, but particularly important in the era of increasingly scientific and knowledge intensive farming—farmers can afford to specialize in farming, whereas people who are only part-time farmers cannot to the same degree.
4. Justification for intensive capital expenditure: An industrial farmer can justify the expense of a complex combine harvester that automates processes, whereas a small holder may not be able to.

B. Why would decentralization of agriculture increase efficiency?

1. Transportation & operation cost: decentralized farming has the potential to require transportation over shorter distances to market than centralized farming, and therefore less embodied energy cost. Likewise, tractors and combines use oil, whereas hoeing and hand weeding do not.
2. Superior suitability for sustainable operation: for now, decentralized agriculture seems more capable of maintaining topsoil and is more adaptable to varying water regimes.
3. Greater resiliency to black swan & gray sway events: decentralized agriculture is less susceptible to terrorism, is more likely to incorporate the biodiversity necessary to overcome disease, and may be more adaptable in the face of global warming.
4. Less exposure to capital cost creep: decentralized agriculture is less dependent on expensive machinery that is subject to increasing cost as the cost of manufacture and raw materials increase.

There are undoubtedly many more reasons on both sides—the intent here is to set up the following balancing problem, not to present an exhaustive list.

It becomes apparent that resolving the centralization vs. decentralization of agriculture dispute requires balancing these factors—more specifically, balancing these factors at a given cost of energy. I don’t think that it can be reasonably disputed that, at some cost of energy, it is more efficient to centralize agriculture.* As a hypothetical, if energy is free, there is no substantive barrier to total centralization of all agriculture. Likewise, I don’t think it can be reasonably disputed that, at some cost of energy, it is more efficient to decentralize agricultural production. As a hypothetical, if energy is so expensive as to be totally use-prohibitive to all parties (e.g. nothing but human labor is available), then centralization that requires food transportation of a greater distance than a human can walk before the food spoils, or that requires more calories for a human to transport to market than the cargo contains, is infeasible. Obviously, we are faced with the challenge of balancing centralization vs. decentralization for some real cost of energy between free and use-prohibitive.

This analysis also confronts some significant knowledge gaps. Centralized agriculture is currently engaged in practices that are widely considered non-sustainable. Industrial farming practices are rapidly depleting topsoil and rely on non-renewable chemical inputs. Conversely, methods of decentralized agriculture exist that are widely considered fully sustainable—permaculture, Fukuoka method, and John Jeavon’s biointensive method, just to name a few. It may well be possible to adopt industrial-scale methods that are equally sustainable, but the efficiency loss in doing so is unknown. It seems unfair to compare an unsustainable method with a sustainable one, but no data currently exists sufficient to bridge this gap. Another factor to be addressed is the opportunity cost of time spent in decentralized agriculture/horticulture. If there are abundant opportunities to earn high wages relative to food costs—something true in today’s Western economies, but uncertain at best in a future scenario of $300/barrel oil—then the opportunity cost of spending personal time laboring in a garden weighs heavily against decentralized agriculture. However, if there is massive unemployment and it isn’t possible for most to earn enough to buy necessary food due to the embodied cost of energy inputs, then it is more rational to spend time gardening no matter how efficient centralized agriculture is.

Furthermore, it is necessary to consider the sunk cost and subsidies supporting centralized agriculture. Just two examples:

- The trillion dollar infrastructure of highways necessary to support our centralized system has already been paid for (well, is still being paid for in many respects) whereas decentralized agriculture has no trillion dollar head start. This infrastructure is supported by ongoing maintenance paid for via distributed taxes, not by tax attached to the price of food or collected from individual farmers. At some cost of energy, maintaining such a system is no longer practicable, erasing this current advantage for centralized agriculture.

- The existing urbanization of America (just to cite one example) makes gardening impracticable for many, and is a relic of cheap food and the inexpensive transportation network capable of supporting urbanization. There is a great reluctance to relocate for the purpose of making gardening affordable now, but at some theoretical cost of food there is a tipping point where people would stream to small holdings, dramatically erasing this current advantage for centralized agriculture.

Hopefully I have highlighted the methodological difficulties in determining whether centralized or decentralized agriculture is more efficient at a given price of oil we have not yet reached—and therefore whether this historical process is likely to be “reversible” at some price. I’d love to tell you that, at $254/barrel, society will tip from centralized to decentralized agriculture. Clearly I can’t do that, and I submit that there is insufficient data for anyone to do so at this time (or, to demonstrate that the same won’t happen). What I will suggest is that it seems clear to me that, at some price of oil, decentralized agriculture will be more efficient. Price may actually be misleading on this point—if one accepts a general energy descent future (which I realize is a big *IF* for many), then demand destruction may prevent prices of energy from continuing forever upward. In such a scenario it will actually be “at some availability of surplus energy” where decentralization becomes more efficient. If one extrapolates any of the various gloomier future scenarios for world energy production often presented it seems very possible that this threshold may be crossed within a generation or two. And, when we reach this threshold, those who have prepared or transitioned early will be better situated. There are, without doubt, vast uncertainties here, but the precautionary principle suggests that we prepare for the possibility that this point comes sooner rather than later. Finally, I would suggest that there are benefits of decentralized agriculture that reach beyond mere calculations of price, profit, and meeting minimal nutrition requirements (see notes below). There are, after all, reasons why people go on vacation to Tuscany instead of Kansas.**

* What are our goals—is it merely to meet our minimal nutritional requirements, or to amass the most material possessions? Who benefits from centralized processes vs. decentralized, and what political structures to they tend to support and accrete? Are we seeking to maximize the mean or median fulfillment of human ontogeny? These are ultimately moral and philosophical questions, and ones that I will not attempt to answer here. I do, however, wish to draw the reader’s attention to the complexities raised by trying to address this dilemma while simultaneously balancing the benefits of centralization and decentralization. For more on centralization vs. decentralization, consider my essay “A Theory of Power.”

** For a discussion of Tuscan hill towns as a mode of decentralized coordination, consider my essay “The Hamlet Economy.”

Nice, clearly reasoned argument, thanks. I'm already in the process of "streaming to a smallholding", so you can guess how I feel about it. :)

Agree completely with Jeff's analysis. Stuart has an interesting start to a position, though there is still quite a way to go. And causality in this situation is most certainly highly multivariate, so simple explanations will not capture a full understanding of the data trends.

Certainly both large and small farms can exist in the future, as every nation may choose different ways to incentivize one over the other (or choose not to incentivize at all, though it would be hard to imagine such a situation in a high-consuming nation). So the answer may be that neither large agriculture nor small holdings will dominate the other overall.

Certainly the suburbanization that has been taking place in the last 50 years can contribute to the ability of those homeowners to respond to high food prices with home gardens; indeed, quite a bit of food can be produced in an intensive gardening approach on a 1/4 acre. See the this Chicago suburbanite who is growing 97 apples trees on his 1/4 acre lawn.

See Garden Girl explain Urban Sustainable Gardening in this video.

And raised beds provide many times the output in the same amount of space that traditional gardens do.

This suburban apple farmer is a great example that, while it may remain impracticable for many people to achieve true food self-sufficiency at their present property, it is certainly possible for most people to take significant steps in that direction. Just a few more examples of people who are working on this transition as we speak: Farmlet (of Cryptogon fame), Mossback Farm, and Lichenology. I've also written about The Self-Sufficient Gourmand.

These examples don't specifically address the economic efficiency issue per se, but I think they do highlight that the ultimate goal of economic efficiency is to fulfill human needs--these people are all very bright and could easily be making six figures elsewhere if that was their sole desire. Instead, they seem to have realized that small-scale farming, while perhaps earning less money, fulfills their true needs far better than pure monetary analysis would suggest.

And while these gardens can absorb a bit of time, clever gardening practices (i.e., mulching, companion planting, etc) can greatly reduce the amount of time spent weeding, which is arguably the most time spent in the traditional home garden. And you'll be surprised how much you can squeeze in a yard;

I have a full time high tech job, though have a flock of 20 sheep, 45 fruit and nut trees in an edible landscape, and 18 raised beds (3'x12') in my home garden. While I obviously have more than a 1/4 acre, it shows that this does not have to be a full time job by any stretch of the imagination. It does get busy at spring planting time (or lambing time) but it is a fulfilling busy-ness that gives one a feeling of satisfaction and a sense of accomplishment. And the grocery bills are much, much lower than they used to be.

Even people living in apartments (with somewhat south-facing balconies) can grow some of their own food;

Looks like I'm a little late to the party, but thanks for the kind words, Jeff. Being mentioned in the same sentence as Kevin (farmlet) and Zane (lichenology)...I just hope I can live up to the expectations.

Keep up the good work

Thanks Will, nice to see someone enjoying his place like that, now if his neighbour to the left would grow carrots ,the neighbour to the right cabbage and the one behind beets they could invite Dmitry Orlov over for a bowl of Russian bostch and a slice of American apple pie. A bit of dill growing on the front drive would not go amiss.

one thing overlooked is the suburbs have a lot of basement space to grow food year round. my grandfather had a huge basement under his ranch home.

Rare basements, if any, in Texas.

What are going to grow? Mushrooms?

No silly, something financially remunerative. A brownie additive!

It's great to see people converting their properties to local food production. Certainly the skills and knowledge that these folks have developed will be increasingly important as the oil age peters out.

I have written the following policy paper on agricultural and related resources. Would like to "hear" your comments.

Policy Paper #7 – Energy, Agriculture, and Waste Issues
Mike Morin
katerimarie@netzero.net

Are they proceeding with tar sands removal and processing? Such would be unfortunate in "light" of the gluttony of our times and relative to future needs, and to other concerns of the "natural" environment, public health (such as water and air quality and availability), wildlife (which does not threaten domestic life), and recreation.

Similar concerns have of course been stated for coal, oil, natural gas, uranium, water, and other resources.

Among the many problems associated with the agricultural sector are those regarding runoff from manures, pesticides, herbicides, and of soil. It is my considered opinion that Americans could consume much less meat. Shifting agricultural practices towards less meat and dairy production and consumption would help assuage the non-human animal manure problem. Some may argue that such manure could be a valuable fertilizer source though I would argue that I would not want such a job. Less meat, dairy, and egg consumption would also be healthier for people and would allow more people to realize healthy diets.

Currently blood meal from slaughterhouses is a source of nitrogen fertilizer. Again, such as the other jobs in that sectors would be very unpleasant and should be highly compensated.

We need to put more resources into composting efforts and other practices and technologies associated with ecological food systems.

I have previously addressed in other forums the opportunity costs associated with cropping for tobacco, alcohol, soft drinks, sugar in lieu of food crops, ethanol, and biofuels.

Also, the active encouragement and support of more localized food systems (i.e. going toward self-sufficiency in all regions) would go a long way towards improving the quality of life in our communities. We need to put in place development control policies which stop once and for all the loss of productive farmland (and stop the sprawl that engenders and perpetuates energy intensive lifestyles) and work with growers and other farm workers to develop a production system in which they control the means of production and distribution (In such a scheme, I would consider people who work in distribution and transport a "farm" worker). Packaging should be minimized, advertising (in all sectors) eliminated and concurrently restaurant establishments should be scaled back considerably, if not minimized. Doing these things would greatly help the trash disposal problems that are with us now. Additionally, we need to actively support the reinstitution of source separation of wastes.

To the extent that sewer systems exist, humanure can and is captured. The production of algae for energy production may very well be an endeavor worthy of pursuit. Biosolids are a major problem and perhaps the construction of tankers and barges to haul and dump such to the deep ocean could mitigate this problem and create many high skilled jobs and community economic development and ownership opportunities.

However, like a national highway program (the so-called free freeways of the so-called free market system), the notion that these could be developed as a marketable products strikes me as absurd, but not nearly absurd as the plethora of extraneous and ill-conceived products that currently sit on shelves or the mountains of trash which plague our hinterlands.

Education is key to any hopes of success.

This is a far superior rebuttal/critique of Stuart's essay than the previous effort which, while passionate, was distinctly lacking in analysis.

With apologies for my lack of substantive additions, I loved your essay! I appreciated the clarity of the examples, and I am convinced that we cannot conclude from present data how the future of agriculture WILL evolve (in detail).

This argues, I think, against the Shell CEO"s "blueprint" approach if taken to be a centralized plan that specifies a single strategy (e.g., ethanol, nuclear) for the world as climate change approaches the irreversible point and oil grows far more costly. That's may not be the only kind of "blueprint," though. Set goals and constraints and allow alternative approaches, vaguely analogous to the evolution of the ICE motorcar from the efforts of thousands of tinkerers 100 years ago.

Personally (a retired physicist), I have embarked on sustainable, diversified, relatively diesel fuel independent farming with wind energy and some solar. I am planting trees that will be harvested after I'm dead but remove CO2 now. I am improving pasture productivity and sustainability organically, and they will remove CO2, too, with the help of the grazing cattle's poop.

Thanks to Mr. Vail for a terrific contribution to this topic.

I do think that we need to discuss this as a multi-faceted topic. It is not about what will happen to agriculture simply as a result of Peak Oil, but in the context of Global Climate Change, geopolitics, already ongoing resource war, and so forth.

Additionally, we might want to include the possibility that many people might well die off as a result of all the above factors, and this will affect our future.

Finally, there are those who push research in areas such as growing fungi in vats -- products like Quorn. This reminds me of Margaret Atwood's "Oryx and Crake."

Forgive the intrusion of someone with a humble BA in history and a wide background from a "liberal arts" perspective. I've taken Chemistry and Biology and Calculus in college, but did not focus on these fields.

I do see the perspectives of those who make art -- whether literature, visual arts, or music -- as quite helpful and often prescient.

Maybe a separate key post on the future of agriculture could be done from an aesthetic perspective?

Watch the cattle industry.

13 to 1 is the grain to meat ratio.

7 to 1 pigs.

3 to 1 poultry.

1 to 1 fish.

""If all the grain currently fed to livestock in the United States were consumed directly by people, the number of people who could be fed would be nearly 800 million," David Pimentel, professor of ecology in Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences

"Pimentel noted. Grain-fed beef production takes 100,000 liters of water for every kilogram of food. Raising broiler chickens takes 3,500 liters of water to make a kilogram of meat. In comparison, soybean production uses 2,000 liters for kilogram of food produced; rice, 1,912; wheat, 900; and potatoes, 500 liters.

http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Aug97/livestock.hrs.html

In relationship to this, check out Monbiot's article here:

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/29/6704/

Monbiot points out that the consumption of the wealthy -- and he also chooses excessive meat-eating as an example -- is a greater threat to the world in many ways than the burgeoning population, which is also a very real problem.

It is precisely this which makes me say, once again, that it does little good to talk about the future of agriculture in with exclusive regard to peak oil, without also carrying on an extensive conversation about environmental ethics, consumption and population ethics, and geopolitics and resource war.

Resource War is, in my opinion, the biggest driving force in the politics of the USA right now. All other issues will be addressed only as crises which are used to concentrate power in order to better conduct the Resource War. (This includes the current economic crisis, IMHO.) Democrats are as enmeshed in this as Republicans, obviously.

Any remaining Future Farmers of America will live in chaotic times, to say the least.

The future of agriculture is no more stable or predictable than thew future of our species.

Agriculture is dominated by men (note: men!) with primitive (bellicose) emotions and strange medieval concepts of themselves as having the Divine Rights of Kings, and who mistake themselves for gods because of our temporary access to god-like technology.

By contrast, the demographics of young, small-scale farmers includes many women. Around here small farmers are about 50:50 female:male I'd guess.

Monbiot points out that the consumption of the wealthy -- and he also chooses excessive meat-eating as an example -- is a greater threat to the world in many ways than the burgeoning population, which is also a very real problem.

It is precisely this which makes me say, once again, that it does little good to talk about the future of agriculture in with exclusive regard to peak oil, without also carrying on an extensive conversation about environmental ethics, consumption and population ethics, and geopolitics and resource war.

I wrote this on another site regarding a different topic (I think the numbers are correct... at least, I hope they are.):

A typical American uses the energy equivalent of almost 16 times that of, say, an African. Extrapolate that out with some simple math:

310,00,000 Americans x 16 (third world equivalents) = 4,960,000,000 people.

That's right. 4,960,000,000 Africans could live on what America lives on. Add in Europe? Japan? Korea? You're looking at another 8 or 9 billion.

Africa is not the problem. Developed nations are the problem. That, and that others, quite naturally, want to live how we live. This is impossible. Let us do the numbers.

6.6 billion divided by 310 million = 21.29. 20,000,000 (US daily consumption of oil) x 21.29 = 425,806,000 mb/d.

Putting aside for the moment that not all crops can be grown in all places, my guess is that centeralized vs decentralized will revolve around yields. For example, I doubt that many people will grow wheat in their back yards or even on a mini-farm given a yield of far less than a pound per square foot. FWIW, I've been developing my own strain of winter wheat for a number of years because I find it interesting but I doubt I would try to grow my own if it could still be purchased.

On the other hand, I can see people growing potatoes in barrels since they yield is extremely high per SF. I can also see mini-farms providing some crops where transportation is an issue.

My best guess is that much locally or individually produced food will use hydroponic methods because energy, water and nutritional elements are minimized. And, further because the yields per square foot are astounding. I mentioned a product called the Hydrostacker (hydrostacker.com) in Sharon's thread. In an article in Farm and Ranch Living one farm family was able to reduce their crop land from 40 acres to 1 acre while that acre used no more water that a family of our.

So, all in all, I see grains produced via centralized Ag and much of everything else on a decentralized basis.

Todd

So, all in all, I see grains produced via centralized Ag and much of everything else on a decentralized basis.

I tend to agree. I also think we will see the resurrection of rail freight for grain rather than trucks as is done now. Canola may only be grown for the purpose of producing bio-diesel for Ag related production.

Further down the food chain, we will see local small scale flour mills come back, alongside locally scaled commercial bakeries. It is much more efficent to truck grain or even flour than it is to transport very light but bulky bread.

This also raises the prospect of local breweries coming back. Ditto for milk and cheese production.

Meat may be a little harder to work through as transport costs actuallty become more efficient when meat is killed and packed in boxes close to where it is grown. Rail freight of livestock may return and butchers may even resort to slaughtering out the back of the shop, a practice which is still pretty common in the third world. (Ox liver anyone?). Of course decentralizing meat processing, limits the collection of tallow for bio-diesel industry.

Chicken, duck and foul will become more common in urban areas both for eggs and meat. This will have some effect on the large scale poultry producers who won't be able to compete on transport costs( you can't herd chooks like you can cattle).

The really interesting tipping point, and IMHO, the first canary to croak, will be the vegetable industry. The cost of production on farm or in garden is only separated by a small margin with labour and mostly FF inputs on farm, virtually eliminated in the home garden.

A loosely organised suburban co-op of home gardeners could produce a very large percentage of that localites vegetable needs, given a reasonable climate and moderatley good soil conditions. Ditto for fruit. The cost of vegies in the supermarket is very sensitive to the cost of transport and vegies are the easiest things to replace. There is much more to explore here in realtion to urban community gardens but I'll save that for another post.

Meat grain and dairy are harder but again there can be a form of relocalization of processing these commodites where the savings in transport outweighs the efficiency of large scale processing plants.

Good luck with growing your own grain Todd. If you ever grow enough I have a wicked scone recipe which you could blow your whole crop on! :)

"Putting aside for the moment that not all crops can be grown in all places, my guess is that centeralized vs decentralized will revolve around yields. For example, I doubt that many people will grow wheat in their back yards or even on a mini-farm given a yield of far less than a pound per square foot. FWIW, I've been developing my own strain of winter wheat for a number of years because I find it interesting but I doubt I would try to grow my own if it could still be purchased.

On the other hand, I can see people growing potatoes in barrels since they yield is extremely high per SF. I can also see mini-farms providing some crops where transportation is an issue."

Exactly the prelude to the Irish Famine.

Even at the Famine's paek, wheat was being exported to England's
Cattle Industry.

Mcgowanmc -

I amused by just how far adrift from the reality here your abstract grain-to-meat ratios are.

I should explain that I farm land between 850 & about 2,000 ft at about 52 degrees N here in Wales.

A fortnight ago we shot a steer that I expect to dress out this weekend at about 150kgs of meat.

Since the grass is both scarce and rather poor up here in January, during his last fortnight of life we gave him two 25kgs bags of organic mixed feed to fill him out a bit - which can make a very positive difference to the quality of the meat.

So, over his 29 months of life he ate 50 kgs of grains, and gave us 150 kgs of meat; i.e. a ratio of 0.33 to 1.0.

This is quite a bit different to your claimed ratio of 13.0 to 1.0 - that is, 39 times better than your ratio;
indeed the very roundness of your numbers would immediately warn any farmer of the extent of their reliability.

Maybe US factory beef rearing is just grossly inefficient and does only get one unit of meat for every 13 units of grain, but the ratio over here for similarly abused animals is just over 8 to 1.

With regard to water consumption, I've no records, since we have 8 streams coming down to the valley's brook from across the land out of the mountains north & south, of which 4 kept going right through the 200-year drought we had in 06.

The best measure I can put on the farm's thruput of water is that the brook flows at about 40 cubic feet per second when it's in full spate.

So please don't be fooled into believing that the questionable numbers you post for intensive industrial livestock production
are anything to do with real farming,
for farming is actually about a symbiosis with the land and its many inhabitants that yields a generally sustainable output of good food,
of which most is eaten by the inhabitant species, but some can be sent out to feed others at a distance.

Regards,

Backstop

The World Food Outlook for November 2007 from the FAO tells us,

In 2006/7, there were produced 2,009.4 million tonnes of grains of all types.

Of those, 735.9 million tonnes were feed for livestock. In 2007, this gave us 278.3 million tonnes of meat of all kinds. And so we find that it took 735.9/278.3 = 2.64kg grain to produce 1kg of meat, worldwide.

So if there are people like you putting 0.33kg of grain into 1kg of meat, there is probably someone putting 4.95kg grain into 1kg of meat.

And of course, much livestock feed goes to animals which aren't bred for their meat, like dairy cattle and wool sheep. So we get more than just meat from them. Milk products were 678.2 million tonnes in 2007.

It's also the case that developing countries use little or no grain for their livestock, while developed countries use rather a lot. So the ratio might be 1:1 in Ghana, but 13:1 in the US, I don't know.

You can't generalise from your personal experience, unfortunately. You just have to look at the figures, while bearing in mind that they're the truth, but not the whole truth - like I said, we should remember that the West feeds more grain to livestock than the Third World, that we get dairy products as well as meat from livestock, and so on.

Kiashu

maybe you should read my post more carefully - I'm not the poster generalizing about feed rates, but rather I pointed out the folly of doing so to a previous poster.

You are for instance mistaken to claim the generalization that "it took 2.64kgs of grain to produce 1kg of meat" -
it did not since (as you later remark) much of our domesticated livestock does not get access to grain.
What you have posted is the production ratio. It is not a causal relationship.

Regards,

Backstop

It depends on the meat. The figures I've seen suggest that beef is much worse than pork or poultry for example:

1 beef cow eats 2600 pounds of grain in its lifetime which requires about 0.4 acres of arable land to grow. It weighs 1200 pounds when taken to slaughter and only half is usable as food.

So 1 pound of beef requires 0.017 acres of arable land to feed it. The equivalent calculation for pork or poultry is 0.0009 acres - 1/20th of the footprint! (Source: http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/egj09/palmer1.html)

Martyn -

which, of umpteen million "beef cows" worldwide, are you talking about ?

At what age was it killed, and for what reason ?

And which 0.4 acres of arable land was needed, and for how long, to yield the 2,600 lbs of which grain to feed her ?

And what, if anything, did she eat besides that grain ?

As I hope you can see, your generalized cow-feed-data is so lacking in detail as to be just about meaningless.

Regards,

Backstop

That's why I posted the link for anyone who wanted to read further although I realise now that that link is broken. Here is the new link to the original article : http://egj.lib.uidaho.edu/index.php/egj/article/view/2722/2680. It's by A. R. (Pete) Palmer from the Institute for Cambrian Studies, Colorado

To try and answer the specific question(s), the article reports the grain is consumed in a feedlot where the cow is fattened for between 120 and 150 days before being taken to slaughter. Before this it is in pasture for an unspecified time (so not sure on the age of the cow) but this is not included in the cost. Source data is taken from the U. S. Departments of Agriculture (DOA) and Commerce (DOC) between 1992 and 1996, based on farming practices in Nebraska, Texas and Colorado.

I think the important table is table 3 which i've reproduced below:

Table 3
U. S. Food footprint - summary of components
Commodity footprint*
1. Grain 0.074
2. Vegetables 0.017
3. Fruit 0.010
4. Dairy Products 0.059
5. Eggs 0.017
6. Beef (minimum) 1.070
7. Pork 0.048
8. Chicken 0.044
9. Turkey 0.016
10. Lamb/mutton 0.002
Total 1.357

*U. S. national figures in acres/capita

What you have posted is the production ratio. It is not a causal relationship

Presumably 735.9 million tonnes of grain were not fed to livestock just for the hell of it. Someone thought it was necessary, or at least beneficial. That is, they thought that grain as a cause would have an effect of growing meat.

That does not mean that every farmer everywhere must or even will pump their beasts full of grain; but it does mean that on average, some grain is given to livestock. And "some" is quite a lot, with the 735.9Mt fed to livestock compared to the 997.5Mt consumed directly by people.

Let's return to your earlier comment,

for farming is actually about a symbiosis with the land and its many inhabitants that yields a generally sustainable output of good food

Or rather, good farming is this. Bad farming is more like,

or

- things like keeping the beasts in stalls, as in the Bloomfield, Nebraska picture above, for almost their entire lives doing nothing but eat and get hosed down, pumped full of antibiotics to make up for their atrocious conditions.

Those pigs are not out in the fields rooting about and cleaning up old garden beds. They are not in symbiosis with anything. They are machines for converting grain to meat. They simply would not last a day without massive inputs of grain and other feed. That's where a good part - not all, but a good part - of the 735.9 million tonnes goes.

In the West we eat around 100kg (220lbs) of meat each a year on average. It's simply impossible for us to eat that much without most of the beasts living like those pictures.

It does not have to be like this. But that's the way it is in the West. The grain-to-meat ratios are not "abstract", they are part of the unpleasant reality. We do not need large amounts of grain for meat, but we do need large amounts of grain for large amounts of meat.

I eat a lot less meat than I used to but I started getting my pork from our local farmers market. He created a niche for himself by raising 'english forest pigs' and the meat is very flavorful. The pigs are kept at a density of 2-3 per acre.

Babes in the woods
http://forestfed.com/aboutthefarm.htm

More Photos of what seem to be happy pigs
http://forestfed.com/Photos.htm

Kiashu -

The ratio you posted was of worldwide productions, including meat from all feed sources.

It was not a causal relationship - that amount of grain did not produce that amount of meat.

It was merely one, optional, contributory factor to the production of some of that meat.

I hope you can get that.

As a farmer, I'm telling you the animal-abuse images you posted are not bad farming -

they are not farming at all - they are industrial meat manufacturing,

which is actively suppressing farming by externalizing every single cost it can,

and is thus continuing, quite intentionally, to undercut farming's viability.

As a farmer, I posted what seems to me the essential description of farming as an ecologically sustainable way of life.

I hope you'll either accept it, or get enough experience to write a better one.

Maybe I should clarify just what impacts are caused by the growing media-wide propagation of crude generalizations
boosting the supposed disbenefits of beef and other meats -

Far from encouraging people to be more discriminating in what meats they will buy,
that is, just what production-impacts they are sponsoring by their purchases,
it merely discourages meat consumption per se in wealthy nations,
which then leaves that amount of product at marginally cheaper rates on international markets
to be snapped up by dealers for the hundreds of millions of IIIW nouveau riche.

Far from reducing factory production systems with their issues of livestock abuse,
of wasteful application of grain stocks as intensive feeds,
and of drug contamination risks over antibiotics, growth hormones etc,
generalized anti-meat propaganda actively undermines their real competition:
namely the growth of discerning demand for grass-fed livestock from farms
where they have been well-cared for in their lives and where they have served a valuable role ecologically.

From the perspectives of animal welfare, of grain usage, and of food safety,
that generalized anti-meat propaganda ought to be focused specifically
on contrasting the malign factory-production systems with practical livestock farming,
and not onto dissing meat in general.

As it is, it is doing more harm than good.

And that's a farmer telling you so.

Regards,

Backstop

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Dinopello -

We call the pigs you showed "Tamworths" and they are well regarded over here as hardy biddable friendly animals.

They're our oldest native breed but sadly they are also quite rare since they don't take to factory systems.

The new breed society should remedy their rarity with a bit of luck.

It's good to see that some of them are doing well in the states.

If you get a chance to try dry-cured oak-smoked streaky Tamworth bacon, I can strongly recommend it!

Regards,

Backstop

Backstop, thanks for the tip! Just so happens I had Tamworth Bratwurst with some Sauerkraut tonight for dinner. It would have been made with chops, but the guy had sold out of chops at the farmers market.

I also know a guy who is raising Finnsheep not too far from here. He is a friend of mines uncle and every year he gifts a whole lamb.

A Finnsheep

Back to the Tamworths - I can never eat factory farmed regular pork again, that stuff is so good and flavorful. And, I feel much better knowing that the little critters had a decent life rooting around in the forest.

Your steer did not get to 150 kg. on 50 kg. of feed. Most of that weight came off grass. You should have weighed your steer before adding feed to his diet, then the difference between that weight and his final weight could be ascribed to the feed.

In the U.S., most cattle are born on what we call cow-calf ranching operations. The calves get to about 300 to 350 kg. on grass and are sold to feed lots which fatten them to their slaughter weight of roughly 500 to 600 kg. The breeding cows are not sold and are fed over winter to produce another calf crop the next year. Cattle are born in one area and they die far away from home.

Feeding cattle grain marbles their meat, that is, it adds fat and makes it more tender. It takes 10 to 13 pounds of grain to add a pound of meat. We could go to grass-finished cattle that never eat grain and still meet at least half of the U.S. beef demand with the present quantity of cow-calf operations. With better range management, doing a better job of teaching ranchers how to be botanists, we could increase beef production without increasing acreage. As Gene Goven of Turtle Lake, North Dakota, said when he got the rancher of the year award, "My crop is grass. I use cows to harvest it."