DrumBeat: March 16, 2008
Posted by Leanan on March 16, 2008 - 9:07am
Topic: Miscellaneous
1. Thou shalt not drive an SUV at 70 miles per hour on the freeway, with the air-conditioner running, just to pick up a half gallon of milk at the grocery store.2. Thou shalt not waste energy and water by enjoying long hot showers.
3. Thou shalt not vote for a presidential candidate who does not speak up about peak oil.
4. Thou shalt not read the writings of Michael Lynch, Daniel Yergin, Jed Mouawad, or ExxonMobil. Pray that they may soon recognize the Truth.
5. Thou shalt not oppose sainthood for M. King Hubbert. He'll be St. Marion.
6. Thou shalt not have more than four grandchildren. Blessed are they that leave no more than two grandchildren. (The Vatican has yet to approve this one.)
7. Thou shalt not grant priority to those who preach about climate change. Their hearts are in the right place, but their minds are focused on a lesser issue. Change is where it's at.
Change in gasoline consumption habits bigger story than oil prices
In today's environment, where headlines scream "Oil at historic highs" or "OPEC to leave production unchanged," we continue to believe that rising gasoline inventories should actually be the big story of the day.Over the past six weeks the nation's gasoline consumption has decreased an average of 1.1 percent from last year's levels. The Wall Street Journal reports this is the most sustained demand drop seen in 16 years. We've noted weak demand figures from the United States numerous times and generally speaking, we feel this is a trend that will continue for sometime.
In the past five years, governments around the world have been transforming themselves into deal makers and business players on a scale never seen in the modern era. In China, state-owned oil giant PetroChina has become the largest company in the world, worth more than $1 trillion. In Russia, state-owned Gazprom has grown into the world's largest gas company. States are also wielding influence by directly buying into major private firms: The investment fund run by the Arab emirate of Abu Dhabi is now the world's largest, and recently spent $7.5 billion to become the top shareholder of the American financial giant Citigroup. Singapore's state-controlled wealth fund, Temasek Holdings, sank $5 billion into Merrill Lynch, the largest US brokerage. By 2015, according to an estimate by Morgan Stanley, such state-owned funds will control a staggering $12 trillion, far outpacing any private investors.
UAE says no extraordinary OPEC meet planned: TV
DUBAI (Reuters) - OPEC has no plans at the moment to hold an extraordinary meeting before the next scheduled meeting in September, the OPEC governor of the United Arab Emirates said on Sunday."Until now the (next) meeting is set for September. Before that there is nothing planned so far," Ali al-Yabhouni told Al Arabiya television.
Cheney to Mideast with 'rich agenda' on oil, peace
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney left on Sunday for the Middle East to raise concerns about high oil prices, push Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, and seek support for Iraq, where war began five years ago this week.
Shortages of energy, food worry Pakistanis
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - The line for cooking oil was nearly a block long, just a few miles from the Parliament building. Saida Bibi elbowed her way to the front of the angry crowd shoving its way into the government food shop. more stories like thisShe had waited in the line seven times for seven hours over the course of a week and left empty-handed every time. But with the price of cooking oil at most markets nearly double what it was at government-subsidized food shops, she had to wait.
'Higher gold price will minimise job loses'
Mining group Gold Fields, which last month said the energy crisis could cut long-term production by up to a fifth and may force it to shed nearly 7 000 jobs, has welcomed the higher gold price.The company's spokesperson Andrew Davidson says the price is good for exports, employment and the economy in general and will minimise job losses.
Party celebrates book about fictional Washington County town
SARATOGA SPRINGS - Dozens of well-wishers crammed into the lobby of The Lofts Thursday night to celebrate the release of the new novel by Saratoga Springs-based author and urban design guru James Howard Kunstler."World Made by Hand," a 317-page novel takes place in a fictional Washington County town that he calls the prettiest corner of upstate New York.
"It's about what happens in a world after it runs out of oil," said local businessman Gordon Boyd, who is better known, perhaps, for his political run for city mayor in 2007. "Being an energy consultant, I figure I'd check it out."
State Seeks to Regain Recycling Momentum
Faced with mounting garbage and limited landfill space, state lawmakers have recently passed a series of measures intended to revitalize recycling.“There is no question that New Jersey is poised for a recycling renaissance,” said State Senator Bob Smith, a Democrat of Piscataway and the chairman of the Senate Environment Committee. “We are very hopeful that two years from now we’re going to see New Jersey as the nation’s leader in recycling as it once was.”
Biodiesel may help the planet, but the price won't help you
Anyone thinking that the rising price of gasoline might make this a good time to convert to a "green" fuel such as biodiesel might want to think again.The price of biodiesel has been rising along with the price of petroleum fuel.
Taiwan: EPA urges the recycling of food oils for bio-diesel fuel
Used food oils can be turned into bio-diesel fuel and alleviate energy shortages, the Environmental Protection Administration (EPA) said yesterday, urging families and small businesses to join the fight against the energy crisis.
Oil Tank? More Like a Subterranean Monster
HOUSES, like people, tend to live double lives. They, too, have a visible existence and an invisible existence, a seen life and an unseen life. In the latter are those hidden systems, the pipes in the walls, the wiring, all that lies concealed between the sheathing and the Sheetrock. At our house, the most ominous of these unseen features is the oil tank buried just out past the porch.
Climate change confuses migrating birds
The swallows' return to British shores each year symbolises the passing of winter and the approach of summer.But in a sign of the blurring of the seasons brought on by climate change, one of the birds has this year shunned migration to Africa and instead spent all winter in Britain.
Property plan's 'low carbon' goal
Improving the environmental performance of buildings in North America can cut the region's carbon emissions more than any other measure, a study suggests.The rapid take-up of current and new technologies could save the equivalent of the amount of carbon dioxide emitted by transport in the US, it concluded.
Shell to write off half of last year's reserves
Shell is to slash reserve figures from last year by more than half, taking about 1.3 billion barrels of oil off its books, equivalent to about a year's production.Chief executive Jeroen van der Veer is also expected to say that production growth will be zero or near zero until 2010 when he gives the oil giant's annual strategy presentation tomorrow.
Hawaii: Rising oil prices spread beyond gas
"I think basically we need to get used to the fact that the days of cheap oil ended," Simmons said in a telephone interview. "I think we're basically in for some very dramatically different energy costs."
Things are likely to get worse before they get betterImagine the most hopeful scenario for increasing global oil supplies to keep pace with anticipated demand over the next few decades, and you'll likely still fall short of projected consumption.
The world oil price hit a new high of $110 (U.S.) a barrel last week, an 11-fold increase over the past decade. In the energy crisis of the 1970s, a soaring crude price spurred the discovery of new reserves and prodded consumers and industry to slash their oil consumption. The oil price collapsed and spent the last two decades of the century in the doldrums.
It's very different this time.
Record oil divorced from fundamentals-OPEC delegate
DUBAI (Reuters) - The weak dollar and the flow of investment money into commodities have pushed oil prices to a fresh record so more pumping from OPEC would have done little to stop the surge, a senior OPEC delegate said on Sunday.The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) left its output steady at a meeting earlier this month despite calls from consuming countries for more oil to halt the record rally. The price hit a fresh peak of $111 a barrel on Thursday.
"What can you do?" the delegate told Reuters. "Prices are completely ignoring the fundamentals of supply and demand. Even if we had increased (at the meeting), I don't think it would have changed anything. It is financial speculators, the weak dollar and funds driving the price."
Going after the oil companies still targets average taxpayers
As the Oscar-nominated film "There Will be Blood" chronicles well, the discovery of oil in Kern County in the late 19th century triggered a rush of greed, chicanery and, sometimes, violence in the region. Oil made the world go 'round, and the people chasing after it were not always the most savory of characters.A century later, oil still gets Californians' blood boiling. Having built a society that is utterly dependent upon the stuff, we still hate it. Oil is dirty, ugly and bad for you. When burned, it pollutes the air and, best we can tell, is warming the earth. Our thirst for oil has entangled us in Middle East affairs we would be better off avoiding.
But oil also has made us fabulously mobile, transforming our society from a difficult agrarian existence to one in which we can drive across the state or fly around the world in a day. That mobility has helped create a dynamic economy that few of us would want to trade for a hard, monotonous life on the farm.
Iraq’s Insurgency Is Running on Stolen Oil Profits
The sea of oil under Iraq is supposed to rebuild the nation, then make it prosper. But at least one-third, and possibly much more, of the fuel from Iraq’s largest refinery here is diverted to the black market, according to American military officials. Tankers are hijacked, drivers are bribed, papers are forged and meters are manipulated — and some of the earnings go to insurgents who are still killing more than 100 Iraqis a week.“It’s the money pit of the insurgency,” said Capt. Joe Da Silva, who commands several platoons stationed at the refinery.
Protest against oil profits and war at Chevron's gate
RICHMOND -- More than 300 people marched from downtown Point Richmond to the Chevron refinery Saturday to protest the company they say is profiting from the U.S. invasion of Iraq.Twenty-four demonstrators were arrested for trespassing late in the afternoon after removing a police barricade, entering refinery property and linking arms, said Lt. Mark Gagan, a Richmond police spokesman. He said they cooperated with the arresting officers.
The war in iraq, which will enter its sixth year this week, is turning out to be the most expensive conflict since World War II, and the cost will fall especially hard on Californians. By the end of 2008, the federal government will have spent more than $800 billion on combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan (government accounts make it hard to separate the two). On top of that comes a mountain of future costs: caring for war veterans (to date, more than 1.6 million troops have been deployed), replacing the military hardware that is being used and worn out in Iraq and paying interest on the enormous sums of money we've borrowed to finance the war. All told, we estimate that the cost of the war will easily reach $3 trillion in today's money.
Cruise operators upbeat despite stormy economy, rising oil
MIAMI - THE global cruise industry is putting on a brave face as it sails into seas darkened by a faltering United States economy, a weak dollar and record oil prices, major cruise ship operators said at their annual convention.The triple threat represents serious risks for the industry which has been blessed with dramatic growth over the past decade.
But cruise representatives are confident that the powers of globalisation and the opening of new cruise destinations such as Asia and South America can help them weather the storm.
The $16bn renewal of Lord Browne
Lord Browne, BP's former chief executive, was one of the oil industry's early advocates of the need to tackle climate change and invest in alternative energy; to go, as the mantra has it, Beyond Petroleum.There is much talk about whether Browne's successor, Tony Hayward, is abandoning the Beyond Petroleum mantra. Browne, however, continues to bang the drum.
Mexico leftist seizes oil reform to drive comeback
A firebrand Mexican leftist whose 2006 presidential bid sent jitters through Wall Street is back, leading protests against energy reforms after a year in the political wilderness. Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador jammed Mexico City with protest camps for weeks after the July 2006 election, claiming his defeat was rigged, but he then fell from the radar screen as President Felipe Calderon took power, pushing through laws and battling drug cartels.
‘World made by hand’ offers a glimpse into future
“World Made By Hand,” a new novel by James Howard Kunstler, is a view into the near future where the kind of lives we live in America today are only dim memories. I recommend you read it. It may even change your circumstances in that future world.
Edible landscape likely to become a U.S. paradigm
When a bus or train ride takes only a little longer time than driving, my extra productivity on public transit more than makes up for the longer travel time. Earlier this month, however, my ongoing experiment in traveling without my private car dragged a potential two-day trip out over three days, pretty much wiping out productivity gains.
Power cut closes down Iraq's biggest oil refinery
Baiji: A power cut shut down operations at Iraq's largest oil refinery on Sunday, officials at the plant said, adding it was unclear when work would resume.A senior official at the refinery said, "This morning at 8:15 work at the refinery was stopped completely because of the shutdown of electricity."
Investing in developing countries has its perils and as the Russian presidential elections put the former Gazprom chairman in the Kremlin, investors are beginning to notice that it is not only Stoli and caviar that Russia exports.Over the last decade, Russia has increasingly exported resource nationalism, and Russia's political class has developed questionable under-the-table arrangements with politicians in other countries. These deals put Western companies at a disadvantage.
BP request for new air permit gets support at public hearing
HAMMOND, Ind. -- More than 1,000 people attending a state Department of Environmental Management public hearing on a permit for BP's planned $3.8 billion Whiting refinery expansion were told the permit will be granted.
Malta: Solar heating study at energy-saving apartments
In 2005, the Housing Authority launched a pilot energy-saving project at Tal-Ftieħ, Birkirkara. The aim of the project was to achieve better energy performance in building while promoting innovative measures that make the best possible use of natural resources without harming the environment.
Researcher: Discovery could end energy crisis
A Tifton agricultural researcher says he has found the solution to the world’s energy crisis through genetic modification and cloning of bacterial organisms that can convert bio-mass into hydrocarbons on a grand scale. The local researcher believes his groundbreaking discovery could result in the production of 500 to 1,000 barrels of hydrocarbon fuel per day from the initial production facility. The hydrocarbon fuel — commonly known as oil or fossil fuel when drilled — will require no modification to automobiles, oil pipelines or refineries as they exist today and could forever end the United States’ dependence on foreign oil, he said.
"Major emitters" tag upsets poor nations at G20 talks
MAKUHARI, Japan (Reuters) - Developing countries urged rich states on Saturday to be clear about funds to fight global warming and said the label "major emitters" for nations like India and Brazil was unfair.
Glaciers melt 'at fastest rate in past 5,000 years'
The world's glaciers are melting faster than at any time since records began, threatening catastrophe for hundreds of millions of people and their eco-systems.The details are revealed in the latest report from the World Glacier Monitoring Service and will add to growing alarm about the rise in sea levels and increased instances of flooding, avalanches and drought.



My coworkers sometimes debate whether or not to increase exploration and drilling activity in areas currently restricted.
I have explained that our generation is so wastefull and has been such a poor steward of natural resources that I believe we should continue to restrict drilling in areas currently off limits. Many understand what I mean when I use the "save some oil for our children and grandchildren" argument.
I agree with one exception. We should consider exploratory wells in ANWR before the pipeline freezes or is shut dond for other reasons. Onne the pipeline closes the ANWR oil, if any, will be lost forever.
"We should consider exploratory wells in ANWR"
I can't wait; I'm planning to go up there and chain mice elf to a drilling rig.
Rat
Joe Sixpack: "Oh hell no! By the time we're done with all that oil in ANWR, they will have come up with something to replace oil! It's them damn hippies holdin' us back!"
Or, "They've got it figgured out how ta screw us workin' folk into the ground!"
I've noticed that it's 99 percent always they, as in someone else -- someone else to blame, or someone else to solve the problem. Our society consists mainly of blame shifters. No one is responsible for their own actions, the fault is always externalized (and then litigated).
Too bad. We had so much potential...
Joe Sixpack is too easy a target, but the Corps are grateful that we give them this human shield..
We still have potential. (It may be all we've got, though)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/fashion/16farmer.html?ex=1363320000&en...
NYT: Young urbanites, learning that dirt can also be soil, are using their overalls as originally intended
http://graphoilogy.blogspot.com/2007/04/elp-plan-economize-localize-prod...
ELP Plan (April, 2007)
I foresee real problems ahead for people trying to make a living off their investments--especially non-food and non-energy investments. Simply put, there doesn't appear to be nearly enough exported energy available to generate the economic activity to pay off the mountain debt in the US or to generate the projected stock market earnings. And if we ultimately end up in hyperinflation, what will be value of "cash?" Perhaps the best investment that many of us could make would be to buy and then lease land out to organic farmers, and then do a sharecropping arrangement--taking a share of crops as a lease payment (which could be sold on your behalf by the Lessee).
Perhaps the best investment that many of us could make would be to buy and then lease land out to organic farmers, and then do a sharecropping arrangement--taking a share of crops as a lease payment (which could be sold on your behalf by the Lessee).
My family has made a living doing this.
And being the bank, providing credit and selling on their behalf.
Call me crazy, but it seems to me
that would make a good key post !?
Bear in mind the possibility of non-linear climate change. Learning from history, I suggest any proposed land isn't the same area where the dust bowl occured - unless you want to produce solar electricity instead of food.
Another good post would be on PASSIVE SOLAR, instead of alllllllll the posts we get here on solar/wind electric power techno-fixes and gadgets, which will all accelerate oil depletion and only give us useless electric power.
"..only give us useless electric power"
Useless HOW!?
How, Cliff? Useless because people can safely post unbacked assertions on their electric computers, again and again? You just listed COUNTLESS the ways we use electricity in your MASSBLOCK of text yesterday. You seem to mean 'Doomed'.. but it's surely not useless.
If the grid is down (as you predict), but you have some electric tools, vehicles, refrigeration, communications.. and some local generation capacity.. does it not stand to reason that you would be using those tools to get to work solving the various problems you've got before you? Beyond that, Generators, Motors and PV panels all have track records that attest to their endurance FAR beyond ICE equipment, which means the effort put into making them was not likely wasted.
Passive Solar is great, as is direct solar heating, solar refrigeration, etc, and they do get mentioned from time to time here, but I haven't seen any suggestions for ways that Passive Solar could help us directly with transportation, save that it leaves fuel that 'would' have been in a furnace possibly available for a truck.. but that is 'Negawatts'. As I said, it's great, but it doesn't actually move the truck or the bus, while this 'USELESS' electricity CAN.
I don't actually object to your business aspirations, and don't necessarily agree with those who snark at you about consulting. I think that's fine. But your comments are getting down to 'junk' status as long as you insist on casting these broadsides and not sticking around to reinforce your point. It's become entirely trollish.
Bob
Crickets.. Crickets, I get.
only give us useless electric power.
Yea. You just keep thinking that.
Meanwhile, I'll enjoy light, water pumping and communications with that 'useless' electrical power, Mkaytnksbi.
Aye. Me too. And transportation via my very cool (all-right call it geeky if you like) electric scooter.
Woah, and the price of oil is starting up again. Real shocker. On the back of a rates cut. Hmm. This fed thing is getting pretty predictable.
how do they acclerate depletion? that's nonsense. very little oil is used in manufacturing and solar companies of all companies are the one's who have the energy. we should use the 50% of the oil we have left and use it as a multiplier like solar energy.
http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/3740#comment-317228
Seems like you have the alt energy 'case' all figured out.
Are you sure that very little oil is used in all steps to manufacture, sell, and maintain. Would you like to make a $1000 wager, with an independent referee as judge, that we both agree on. Seriously, are you ready??? I need some fast cash, and I don't mind taking it from arrogant types like you.
manufacturing is like 2.2% of oil use. at most we're talking maybe 15% of oil use to get it manufactured good's to people's houses. all that can cut through conservation or an economic downturn. meanwhile regular transportation uses about 40% of our oil. successful alt energy companies will have no problem manufacturing panels or wind turbines and etc.
Some use 100% renewable energy for manufacturing...
Hi john,
I agree w. the general direction of your comment. This topic would be worth looking at with detailed stats.
re: "regular transportation uses about 40% of our oil."
Regular transportation would be the way workers get to their jobs (manufacturing jobs) - and is your stat for manufacturing a global one?
Regular transportation would also include supplying and installing parts.
The larger point is that the economy depends also on people's wages, i.e., their having jobs...
There comes a tipping point when the input of renewable energy makes up for the loss in available non-renewable energy. It's not all of a sudden going to disappear. It's just going to begin to grow scarce and so people will have to turn to efficiencies and alternatives. If people need to, they'll carpool first, use public transport, or even bike. There are also some pretty useful all electric scooters available now.
WT-
I agree on your analysis.
The local farmers markets here in Marin are packed, with mainly young farmers, often well educated and making lifestyle decisions. They have become vibrant social gatherings, with music and art also, along with prepared food.
Sharing of good farmland with a arranged benefit for all is a model that will work.
I'm off to one this morning----
hightrekker,
I didn't know that you are in Marin.
We're starting the process of getting a local peak oil taskforce going, as well as some other local initiatives. Please drop me a note at aangel ( a t ) inspiringgreenleadership ( do t) com and we can have a coffee together and compare notes.
Leanan, is there a reason the "contact other users" page (via private messages) is turned off? Was spam a problem at one point here?
-André
I don't think that has ever worked.
There's a lot of features that we haven't enabled for one reason or another.
I encourage people to put their e-mail addresses in their profiles if they want other users to be able to contact them privately. I can't even contact anyone privately if they have not put their e-mail address in their profile.
Ok, thanks. If you are so inclined, you can turn on private messaging here:
/admin/build/contact/settings
Just click "Enable personal contact form by default." People then have individual control via their account page if they don't want a contact form available to the public.
It's a very handy feature...would you mind passing along the request to have it turned on? I don't see an email address to send this sort of request.
I have another question, but I'll send it to tech support.
Thanks,
Andre'
WT,
While I don't necessarily disagree with your suggestion of buying land, I really believe that people have to make the effort to develop a "realistic" future scenario. We all recognize the risk in this since it is difficult/impossible to "know" the future. Yet, it has to be done. To me, it is not that much more difficult than preparing a business risk management plan. This can be as simple as playing a "what if - then what" game or as complex as including error bars.
Dimitry Orlov (sp) certainly offers insights as well some other writings on the Internet as to what happened in Argentina. There are also fictional works such as Jim Rawles' excellent book Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse that contains really useful information unlike Kunstler's crap (mentioned up top).
In addition, it may make more sense for many people with limited funds to invest in their own survival via reducing their energy needs while producing their own food. I've suggested the 1979 book, The Integral Urban House, on several occasions.
Finally, I'd also suggest that people take a look at Jeff Vail's Rhizome series. http://www.jeffvail.com
Todd
'Perhaps the best investment that many of us could make would be to buy and then leese land out to organic farmers, and then do a sharecropping arrangement--taking a share of crops as a lease payment (which could be sold on your behalf by the lessee).'
I like the idea WT but see a problem with it. All governments will soon be strapped for revenues and an easy tax target is property. Taxes will be increased to the breaking point for many farmers and small land holders. Making mortgage payments will become problematic. The large farm operations will probably be given preferential treatment (if they still exist), as they are now, by tax collectors. Home owners and commercial renters in many parts of the country are already feeling extreme tax pressure. Of course portablity is another issue. What if GW causes current rain fall patterns to shift and the currently productive farms are short of water?
I believe that better stores of wealth are to be found in commodities. Once economies stagnate and stabilize, commodities will retain value and not be as subject to price volitility and taxation if properly shielded from tax collectors. Of course there will be no revenue stream from stored commodities except on the sale or barter of the commodities. As an option I propose one store commodities now and use them as a bridge to the future, a bridge over troubled waters, when they will be useful in the purchase of a busines as opportunities are identified. The sought after future revenue stream might very well be a farm/sharecropper arrangement but storage of commodities now will provide more options in the future. By 'commodities' I mean those that can be held and transported by the owner, and shielded from tax collectors.
Re: property taxes: Most states have enacted some form of "use value" tax policy for lowering property taxes on farmlands. Farmland in Wisconsin pays pennies on the dollar compared to non-farmland. Minor increases in the tax due to higher "use values" (driven by ag commodity prices) could relieve pressure from non-farmers to eliminate this tax benefit (plus big ag supports the benefit, so it is unlikely to go quietly). Community land trusts are another vehicle for non-profit sharecropping- see:
http://www.troygardens.net/
Wisco, I realize the current tax structure is what it is...but, the tax structure is not chiseled in stone. Even if it were set in stone there are plenty of stones left to chisel a new tax code onto.
As various governments become more desperate for tax revenue collections they will change tax codes as they feel necessary. It certainly is not beyond belief that tax code can become confiscatory... it has happened in the past and forces more efficient land use. At least, that is the spin that the confiscators put on their actions.
Look for an increase in the number of lawsuits by homeowners against county governments suing to have taxes lowered in proportion to property values.
In fact, look for the courts to be totally clogged with lawsuits of every kind as we waltz into the scapegoat finding phase of this 'project' we call the world economy.
With a little further thought, it may come about that county governments will be so strapped that there will be no realistic way they can administer the confiscation of land for taxes, much less doing anything with said land. The county government is already, in some cases, becoming the 'repository of last resort' for mortgaged property 'gone bad' that the banks don't want or can't handle. I could easily see situations developing where people continue to live in their houses without paying taxes because a dysfunctional county can't do much about it (can't even answer the phones...).
Wisco, as an addendum to my above post regarding changing tax codes...I have a couple of rental properties on beachside. I have been put up against the wall by increasing taxes in the last few years, and once I was the beneficary of low taxes. Once I made a small profit on rentals, now I am fortunate to break even. I am at the point where rents pay for repairs, taxes and insurance...if I do any needed repairs myself. If my properties suffer storm damage, as they have in the past, I will have to pay the large insurance deductable out of pocket. I am not whinning, simply pointing out how quickly tax collections can be changed by governments and place owners at risk. Perhaps my real world experience has caused me to favor the commodities stategy?
River - About the "store of wealth" thing.
IMO there are 3 main drivers for the wealth storage fallacy , health, education, security in old age (not necessarily in that order).
Storing wealth does not insure protection on those issues.
A focus on family and community does.
The elusion of storing personal wealth particularly isolates one from both family and community. (please don't dish altruism here as it has been debunked in other posts I believe. I have personally seen wealth break up families more often than not).
IMO we need to recognize this as another one of those detrimental messages that has been circulating through society and reexamine.
Few are willing to think of it this way as it implies giving up something (not true) and as peaknikers understand all too well nobody is going to give up an ounce.
This is why I'm a souper doomer.
Souperman2...If you had a family like mine you would not depend on them for anything. To say that they are dysfunctional is a huge understatement (excluding my wife, myself and our children). Anything that I have was gained by working my way through school on the GI Bill and very hard work for many years thereafter. I traveled the world working on HS Rail systems, mostly acceptance testing, for a large rail signal company in the US. I worked is some very tough environments, lived in places where cockroaches and centipedes were the norm, and carried a hand gun to protect the crew from bandits. I am 63 now and do not plan to throw myself on the mercy of 'community' for survival in my remaining years. My life experiences include a couple of communes back in the late 60s...Fun, but not survivalists. My childhood community were hard shell protestants that were narrow minded and selfish and I have no use for such people. In fact when I graduated from HS I was outta there and into the Navy for 4 years.
I am a biker and my community is the biker community. We participate in many charitable activities, raising money for the Conklin Center For Blind Children, handicapped children, down bikers, etc. We are a close knit group and when push comes to shove we look out for each other.
Because of where I live I have prepared for hurricanes for many years and have built up a store of supplies. There is little that you could mention that I have not accumulated, including a couple of years food supply. If need be me, my wife and my community can protect what we have without being dependent on each other. Coming to the aid of a biker that needs help is done without question but long term charity is not in the mix. Everone in my community understands the rules.
I do not want or have 'luxury' in my life and believe in being as independent as possible. I was riding bikes and saving gas, and collecting gold coins, before most on this board were born. I will not hand over what I own to enter some mystical nervana...But the thought of such a move gives me a good chuckle. Perhaps if you were my age, or were beneficary of my family and life experiences, you might have a different take on things. We all arrived where we are by different paths.