DrumBeat: May 26, 2008

Kunstler OpEd in the WaPo: "Wake Up, America. We're Driving Toward Disaster"

I detect in this strident plea the desperate wish to keep our "Happy Motoring" utopia running by means other than oil and its byproducts. But the truth is that no combination of solar, wind and nuclear power, ethanol, biodiesel, tar sands and used French-fry oil will allow us to power Wal-Mart, Disney World and the interstate highway system -- or even a fraction of these things -- in the future. We have to make other arrangements.

The public, and especially the mainstream media, misunderstands the "peak oil" story. It's not about running out of oil. It's about the instabilities that will shake the complex systems of daily life as soon as the global demand for oil exceeds the global supply.

TOD:C News and TOD:ANZ News.

The Illusion of Vast Undeveloped US Oil Reserves by Richard Blanchard

I frequently hear calls for all federal offshore waters to be opened to development, as if that will be our salvation. The most geologically favorable areas off the Atlantic coast have been explored in the past with no significant discoveries. If Atlantic federal waters were opened for development, it’s likely that no oil or next to no oil would ultimately be extracted. The same would be the case for Pacific waters from north-central California north to the Canadian border as well as around most of Alaska. . . .

The Bush administration has opened large areas of Bristol Bay (Alaska), NPR-A (Alaska), western federal lands and the central and eastern Gulf of Mexico. In the case of Bristol Bay, oil exploration occurred there some years ago without finding any significant oil. The administration is also attempting to reopen the Chuchi Sea (Alaska) to oil development. Contrary to what one hears or reads from the media, a lot of federal lands and water have been opened for oil exploration and development in recent years.

China oil giant in takeover talks with Canadian energy firm

Chinese oil giant CNOOC is in talks with Canadian-based Talisman Energy over a possible takeover deal, a report in Hong Kong said Monday. CNOOC, China's third largest oil company, is in discussions that could lead to asset sales or a complete takeover, the South China Morning Post said citing unnamed sources. The report also said that energy giant PetroChina was looking at taking a stake in Santos, the third largest oil and gas company in Australia.

Saudi Khursaniyah oilfield not pumping yet - Aramco

MANAMA (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's Khursaniyah oilfield expansion project is not yet pumping, but large parts of its 500,000 barrels per day capacity are ready, an official at state oil giant Saudi Aramco said on Sunday.

The world's top oil exporter had planned to bring Khursaniyah online in December. The expansion is the largest single boost to global oil capacity for several years.

‘US nuclear fuel-supply assurances political not legal’

A US Congressional report has added a new twist to the stalled India-US civil nuclear deal by suggesting that Washington’s nuclear fuel-supply assurances to India are “political, rather than legal, obligations”. The US State Department apparently told lawmakers about the “political” nature of its assurances to India in a balancing act aimed at assuring them that the bilateral 123 agreement finalised last July to implement the nuclear deal is consistent with the enabling US law, the Hyde Act.

CEO of NOC says Libya's oil production will reach around 3 million barrels by 2012

Libya's oil production will top around 3 million barrels a day by 2012 according to Chairman of the Steering Committee of the National Oil Corporation Dr. Shukri Ghanem, who said production, is expected to reach 2 million by the end of this year.

"The Jamahiriya is producing 3 billion Cubic meters of gas daily which is seeking to double by 2012-2013 to 7 billion, Ghanem told reporters following the signing of an agreement for exploration and sharing between the National Oil Corporation and a consortium of Algerian Sonatrac and two Indian companies in Tripoli today.

Novatek CEO Mikhelson sees 2008 natural gas production up about 10 pct - report

MOSCOW (Thomson Financial) - OAO Novatek chief executive Leonid Mikhelson said at the annual general meeting (AGM) that his company will increase natural gas production by roughly 10 percent in 2008 and 20 percent in 2009, one of the shareholders present at the meeting told Interfax.

According to the company's annual report, production at Russia's second-largest natural gas producer fell 1.1 percent in 2007 to 28.25 billion cubic metres due to reduced production at the Eastern Tarkosalinskoye field.

Slick investors strike riches as they cash in on peak oil

Hedge funds are riding high on record oil prices - and now retail investors are joining them. . .

Michael Masters, a hedge fund manager, estimates the wall of money invested in commodity index-tracking funds has risen from $13bn in 2003 to $260bn by March this year. "Individually, these participants are not acting with malicious intent; collectively, however, their impact reaches into the wallets of every consumer," he warned. Critics call this "virtual hoarding" and point to the surplus of current supply as evidence that the futures market has become separated from the fundamentals of supply and demand.

Fuel suppliers demand airlines pay cash in advance

The need to put up money before delivery of fuel is a huge financial burden that has been shifted from the oil companies to the airlines. . . .

“The airlines can’t afford it. Traditionally, oil companies extended credit for 14 or 21 days and some as long as 30 days. Now, most American airlines are on prepay. South West is one of a few likely to still get credit.”

Sinopec says crude tax rebate barely covers loss

Top Asian oil refiner Sinopec Corp (0386.HK: Quote, Profile, Research)(SNP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) is still reeling from refining losses despite a government tax incentive, its chairman said on Monday, as global crude prices have charged above $130 a barrel.

Prolonged losses could force refiners to curb production, resulting in fuel shortages in the world's second-largest oil consumer, a prospect Beijing is loath to see as the Olympic Games is just two months away.

"The (crude tax) rebate cannot cover all of our losses," Chairman Su Shulin told reporters at the sidelines of the company's shareholder meeting.

Moscow Doubles Investment in Energy

Chubais and Mayor Yury Luzhkov, a longtime political adversary, signed an amended version of the power grid's investment plan, under which 898 billion rubles ($39 billion) will be spent in the capital through 2010, up from the 2006 agreement between City Hall and UES to spend 430 billion rubles on upgrades and new infrastructure.

The signing took place at the opening of a 500-kilowatt Siemens-produced power unit at the Beskudnikovo transformer station on the northern outskirts of Moscow.

"The money will first of all come from the budgets of the companies controlling the networks," Chubais said. "Another part of the investment will be funded by tariffs and the fee for connection to the grid."

Fourteen major elements of the Moscow electricity distribution network will be financed by state-run VTB, the country's second-largest bank, Luzhkov said Saturday without elaborating.

Cheap Dollar Means Expensive Oil

Back in December 2002, one dollar equaled one euro. But that exchange rate didn't last. The dollar was on its way down, a trend that had started more than a year earlier, and has lasted, with occasional oscillations, to this day.

On the day in 2002 that the value of a dollar was exactly the same as the value of a euro, the price of a barrel of oil was, therefore, the same in dollars and euros -- about 25. Since that day, it's like the two currencies have traded on two different planets.

Kiev Seeks Joint Talks On Gas Trade, WTO

MINSK — Ukraine said Friday that it would hold talks on Russian natural gas supplies with Moscow simultaneously with negotiations on Russia's membership in the World Trade Organization.

"I believe that simultaneously preparing a strategic agreement on Russian gas supplies to Ukraine … there will be negotiations on the Russian Federation's accession to the WTO," Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko told journalists after meeting with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

Gas Price Protests hit 50 Russian Cities

Motorists in about 50 cities across the country protested rising gasoline prices Saturday and called on the government to take measures to punish producers of substandard fuel.

Media reports said the protests had anywhere from a few dozen participants, including in Yekaterinburg, Kaliningrad, and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, to as many as 200 in Moscow.

Hybrid Drivers Compete for Best Mileage

In the Prius and other hybrids with energy displays, drivers can see what specific actions mean for their mileage. In some ways, it is like children learning to color in between the lines, with the teacher standing over their shoulders. Aggressive acceleration after a stoplight -- that's bad. The monitor will show mpg going down. Suddenly slamming the brakes -- also bad. Coasting to a stop -- good. That tactic lets the engine shut down, saving gas. Hills -- oh, they are real bad.

George Soros: rocketing oil price is a bubble

Speculators are largely responsible for driving crude prices to their peaks in recent weeks and the record oil price now looks like a bubble, George Soros has warned.

The billionaire investor's comments came only days after the oil price soared to a record high of $135 a barrel amid speculation that crude could soon be catapulted towards the $200 mark. . . . . . . . . . . However, Mr Soros warned that the oil bubble would not burst until both the US and Britain were in recession, after which prices could fall dramatically.

Pearl Village opens doors

Ras laffan • Pearl Village, the newly-built 170-hectare complex accommodating contractors and over 35,000 workers for the Pearl Gas-to-Liquids (GTL) project was opened here yesterday at the Ras Laffan Industrial City (RLIC).

Fuel hikes sink service stations

Johannesburg - Ever-rising fuel prices are putting small service station owners out of business, says the Fuel Retailers Association (FRA). "We are beginning to see a situation where for almost every price increase, a retailer goes bankrupt," says FRA director Peter Morgan.

He says between 10% and 15% of the 4 800 petrol stations countrywide are marginal operations teetering on the verge of failure. These are mainly service stations in low- income areas like townships.

High gas prices give boost to small town bus plant

Soaring fuel prices are proving to be a pain for most people in the country, but they may have helped save the jobs of hundreds of workers in North Dakota's oldest town. The Motor Coach Industries plant is the biggest employer in Pembina - about a quarter the residents in the town of 640 work there. Four years ago, it was struggling to stay open.

Now, as more people across the U.S. shun gas-guzzling vehicles for public transportation, bus ridership is up. Transit systems from Houston to New York City are mulling expansion to keep pace. . . . . . . . MCI will begin delivering the first of 102 hybrid diesel-electric buses this summer to Houston's transit system, under a contract worth about $80 million. Another 126 diesel-only buses are being shipped out to New York City's transit system in a deal worth $67 million.

Rising costs lead farmers to go high tech

With auto-steering, a farmer manually drives the perimeter of a field to map its boundaries so the GPS gadget can then direct the tractor to carve near-perfectly straight rows. A few systems will even turn the tractor around at the end of each row. By cutting down on overlap, the system saves fuel, and it means the same ground won't be planted twice or sprayed unnecessarily with fertilizer or pesticides.

Barbre estimates that using auto-steering on his 4,000 acres - split about evenly between soybeans and corn - has cut his fuel costs up to 5 percent. "That's maybe 30, 50 cents an acre," he said. "Over 4,000 acres, that adds up."

Gazprom will receive Sakhalin-3 site without tender

Gazprom will receive the Kirinskoe deposit, part of Kirinsky Block ("Sakhalin-3" project) without tender. The license on the Kirinskoe deposit will be transferred to the monopoly in a few months. On the territory of the Kirinsky block there was discovered so far only one small gas deposit with reserves of less than 100 billion cubic meters.

This deposit is on the list of federal value sites which have strategic value for gas supply of the Russian Federation and Gazprom is thought to be creating the resource base for rolling out its program of Far East gasification.

Commodity Prices Soar, But Are They in a Bubble?

In February, the board of the California Public Employees' Retirement System, or Calpers, the largest pension fund in the U.S., authorized putting as much as 3% of its $240 billion portfolio in commodities. Hedge-fund manager Michael Masters told a U.S. Senate committee last week that institutional investors "are one of, if not the primary, factors affecting commodities prices today."

But Bianco Research's Mr. Simons say that because the final buyers of commodities are consumers rather than investors, the role of speculation is limited. "Commodities, unlike financial assets, cannot take on hope values very much," he says. "At some point, the price gets to the point where the buyer walks away."

India: Oil firms are weeks away from bankruptcy

There was no diesel for a day at a gas station in north India recently. The public sector oil companies are slowing down the issue of new gas connections to households. The private sector oil companies are closing down petrol pumps and exporting petrol and diesel. Kerosene is not easily available in the public distribution system; the open market rate is around Rs 30 a litre when the official rate is under Rs 10.

If you think these are isolated events, think again. A fuel shortage looms ahead of the nation as the oil companies rapidly head towards bankruptcy.

Two Memorial Day Dallas Morning News Editorials:

Editorial: The end of cheap oil?
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/storie...

Our economy and way of life – especially in sprawling, car-crazy North Texas – depends on a steady and affordable supply of oil. It can't last, because oil is not an infinite resource. We might not be at the end of the cheap oil era yet, but when that day comes, its dawn will look something like what we're living through today.

We must start transitioning to a far less oil-intensive way of life. It can't be done overnight. Complacency is our enemy. Politicians, business leaders and every single one of us should read the signs of the times, and get on with it.

Editorial: Push rail transit now
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/storie...

Most leaders have stipulated a list of transit's benefits, such as unsnarled traffic and cleaner air.

Another benefit now takes front and center.

When legislators blocked North Texas' rail plan in 2005, the price of gas had just broken $2 a gallon. It's now approaching twice that in many places. We hope that will sober lawmakers to the shortsightedness of kicking this issue down the road.

Has the posse been assembled for the writer of the first piece yet?

Rod Dreher, one of a tiny number of Peak Oil aware journalists willing to write about it, wrote the editorial. An excerpt from JHK's Memorial Day Essay is shown below:

www.kunstler.com

Of course, one of the reasons that Americans are so anxious to get away on a holiday weekend from the places where they live is because we did such a perfect job the past fifty years turning our home-places into utterly unrewarding, graceless nowheres, where the private realm of the beige houses is saturated in monotony, and the public realm has been reduced to the berm between the WalMart and the strip mall. Now, we barely have the gasoline to run all this stuff, let alone escape from it for a weekend.

In most places where people live, a small fraction of the energy they spend on getting out of where they are could be spent on making their places pretty again. Parts of Texas were absolutely gorgeous -- and could be again. If everyone just stayed home and tended their gardens ....

Wishful, maybe Pollyanna thinking for an early morning on Memorial Day, but I don't see a declining energy regime as all bad -- there is a potential seriously positive upside.

I agree, NeverLNG.

While the change may be painful, a quieter, more inward-looking existence certainly has its rewards. The consumerist treadmill--a huge public relations success brought about by over a hundred years of incessant propaganda--may not be all it's cracked up to be.

That said, it nevertheless may be human nature that makes consumerism and our Baroque modern culture, a culture in which every waking moment is filled to excess with a whirlwind of activity or entertainment, so appealing. As Eric Hoffer observed:

"The individual's most vital need is to prove his worth, and this usually means an insatiable hunger for action. For it is only the few who can acquire a sense of worth by developing and employing their capacities and talents. The majority prove their worth by keeping busy."

Grand theories about "human nature" need careful examination.

It seems to me from what I can read about "traditional" societies (which I guess means "pre-industrial") people don't seem to have to prove their worth. In fact, that is largely a Calvinist idea, designed to discover who was "saved", but easily distorted into creating a consumer society to demonstrate "worth" and by extension, "salvation" through consumption.

Eric Hoffer is probably right about Western Europe and North America since the 18th century. I'm not sure if it generalizes.

Lots of people really like to stay home and fix up their places -- even now.

What you have read about traditional societies seems to be at variance with that which I have read.
Their need to prove their worth is articulated in their initiation rites, for a start.
Those who did not cut the mustard had a short life expectancy probably and a miserable life certainly.

Well, true enough for the children. Once they have been admitted to adult society, I suspect the rules change, except for the leadership.

However-- this discussion is probably not appropriate for the oil drum.

it nevertheless may be human nature that makes consumerism

A lot of energy was expended to train Americans to be voracious consumers. See this article from Orion:

The Gospel of Consumption:

[Industrialists] feared that the frugal habits maintained by most American families would be difficult to break. Perhaps even more threatening was the fact that the industrial capacity for turning out goods seemed to be increasing at a pace greater than people’s sense that they needed them…

By the late 1920s, America’s business and political elite had found a way to defuse the dual threat of stagnating economic growth and a radicalized working class in what one industrial consultant called “the gospel of consumption”—the notion that people could be convinced that however much they have, it isn’t enough. President Herbert Hoover’s 1929 Committee on Recent Economic Changes observed in glowing terms the results: “By advertising and other promotional devices . . . a measurable pull on production has been created which releases capital otherwise tied up.” They celebrated the conceptual breakthrough: “Economically we have a boundless field before us; that there are new wants which will make way endlessly for newer wants, as fast as they are satisfied.”

Thank you, lilith--A great article that not only gives a thoughtful critique of American baroque culture but also explains how we got here.

I'll file it away in my favorites and use it for future reference.

See also Paul Graham's most excellent essay on Stuff.
("...What I didn't understand was that the value of some new acquisition wasn't the difference between its retail price and what I paid for it. It was the value I derived from it. Stuff is an extremely illiquid asset....")

RE JHK Memmorial Weekend Post

"This is certainly the golden heart of the great wish out there, as the empire of Happy Motoring begins to run down on $4 gasoline. It seems inconceivable that a society so bold as to put men on the moon (fer crissake) can't overcome such a prosaic problem as finding something other than oil byproducts to run our cars on."

This is the heart of the issue for a lot of people. I gave a Peak Oil Presentation last week and a gentleman who said he'd heard of it smiled knowingly and told me that I forgot about hydrogen fuel cells.

"They'll get that going when they need to..."

How do you explain to people who have never known hunger (arriving home famished because you ran in a Labor Day 5K doesn't count)or need the concept of peak oil and that that means the end of the world as they know it.

"that a society so bold as to put men on the moon (fer crissake) ..."

BTW, the Phoenix mars lander has touched down successfully and is sending back pictures: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-82

Leave it to "JHK" to get the cynicism just right. And you know, he is right... rather than public parks dictated by wise zoning rules, we have (in my area) car dealerships, car repair facilities, and restaurants jammed up against each as tight as could be arranged and to maximize the dollar return on the land. How could a society be healthy when that is the environment into which it places its children, and forces its adults to live?

I recently rented the Film Mosquito Coast with Harrison Ford and River Phoenix. At the beginning of the film Ford's Charachter Allie Fox explains to his 12 year old son via a rant the truth about America. For a 26 year old story by Paul Theroux I think that The unfortunate Mr Fox may have been prophetic after all. Worth a look if just to see Harrison Ford:

"Look around you Charlie, How did America get this way?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S4VLFPLXGM

Re: JHK's Memorial Day Essay

One thing I rarely see JHK talk about (though I don't read him every week) is population. "World Made by Hand" sounds like a good idea and all, but the planet isn't going to support 6.5e9 people that way. As we have discussed here, the biggest edible bang for the buck (or barrel) is still industrial agriculture. If we can't feed the residents of those suburbs, the last thing anyone will care about is poor taste in architecture. And all the rapid transit, high-rise condos, low-rise condos, or 19th century-esque farmhouses etc that you care to build, will not really help that much.

JHK is the ultimate cynic. In World Made By Hand the world has far less people due to starvation and pandemics. Also human life has little value.

Sounds like a probable future then. Maybe I'll get his book, there might be just time enough to read it before TSHTF.

One thing I rarely see JHK talk about (though I don't read him every week) is population.

The Peak Oil gurus and talking heads have taken a page from the Environmentalist and Global Warming talking heads and gurus - they avoid the population growth issue like it was the Black Plague.

And yet...

"talking about energy solutions without talking about the population problems is just like mopping the floor with the faucets running on. So that is #1 problem."
Tad Patzek

I thought this statement from the first editorial was a bit strange: We might not be at the end of the cheap oil era yet, but when that day comes, its dawn will look something like what we're living through today.

So far, I haven't seen anyone change their ways -- we're still buying big, driving long, accelerating hard -- and living large. If changes are being made, they're not being made where they are apparent. And implying that this may not be the real dawn just hurts the efforts of those who need funding to work on fixes -- investors won't invest if they think PO is a sham, or a future event (isn't 30 years from now being bandied about?).

I think the editorial above is saying in a diplomatic way "we can't absolutely prove it yet, but we're probably at the end of cheap oil. It certainly looks like the end of cheap oil. Maybe we should do something, huh?"

The big debate about whether now is the end of cheap oil can be divided into below ground and above ground. The below ground debate is all over Hubbert's theory vs new technology and new models. The above ground debate is all over the oil price signals - the big speculation debate essentially.

I think the anti-peakers have already lost the debate in the below ground arena. You have the non-peakoil world now saying that we probably won't have everincreasing supplies of cheap oil for decades. But we still hear a loud chorus of speculation claims. The above ground debate forces the anti-peakers to prove the massive oil price signal over the last 5 years to be pure speculation - a tough row to hoe. It's much easier for them to try to show just a recent, short term, crazy climb in oil prices to be just a "paper oil" anomaly. But even here, they are forced to explain things like this:

This chart shows the yearly patterns of oil price increase compared to the yearly pattern of a slow oil inventory build over the last 5 years. Both patterns show a parallel build in oil price and inventory as would be expected from the historical norm of climbing price, supply concern, and stockpiling. But in October, 2007 this pattern was abruptly changed. Short term inventory figures are not a good way to guage the oil supply/demand condition because of strong seasonal changes, transient refinery issues, etc. But there does seem to be a big pattern change that occured last October that would suggest the crazy run-up of the last few months to be perhaps more physical barrel related than paper barrel related.

I notice today Soros says oil prices are a bubble...

Yeah--all that oil that's been sold at such high prices is going to come back on the market because of margin calls and interest rate resets.

When it does, will the price at the pump go down?

And so what if it is? Are we going back to $40 per barrel? Nope. $60 per barrel? I highly doubt it.

If there is a bubble, I would expect us to fall no more than half of the current price, so I'd bet on $65 as the absolute floor, with prices in the $80-$100 range more likely. The only thing that can drive prices lower than that in the short term (in my opinion) is an economic collapse so huge that it makes the Great Depression look like a picnic. Note that Soros points to something like that as well, claiming this recession will be larger than any since the Great Depression. He doesn't come out and say that it will be worse than the Great Depression but Soros has been betting against the dollar and assuming negatives for a few years now. He was just a little early on his assumptions.

If he is betting on a dollar collapse I can't see how that will help oil prices fall.

Should there also be a Soros, like there is a Yergin!

What will high-priced fossil fuel do to the cost of launching and maintaining communication satellites, cellphone towers, undersea cables, fiberoptic cables on land? What will Google's server farms cost with $300/bbl oil?

Do the great minds of TOD believe that this communication network, let alone the transportation network, can be sustained?

Do the great minds of TOD believe that this communication network, let alone the transportation network, can be sustained?

The transport network as we know it in the USA today? No. Goods will, however, be transported.

If the end comes to the consumption culture then many of the ad supported "free" things will come to an end. Wankers like the guy who set up whyblockfirefox.com will be a gone like his website about firefox.

The communication network, in some form, will continue up until man no longer makes crystal silicon. (because if humanity looses what ICs can do, tubes will look like a goal to reach from the backslide) Rolling blackouts or spotty maintence will just mean a return to UUCP and wireless gear will be the 'routing around' of broken telephone lines/way to expensive telephone lines.

Rural areas will continue to be able to grasp the brown stinky end of the stick.

Having toured a tube factory many decades ago (it was in Owensboro, KY) I can say with confidence that natural gas is a good thing to have when you're manufacturing tubes. Because mostly they are a lot of fancy glassblowing. And it'll be hard to maintain much of a network based on tubes.

If we lose the ability to process crystal silicon, we may just be looking at a return to the telegraph. Steampunk-looking brass key clickety clacking away ... :)

I don't think rockets use diesel. I believe the SRBs, such as the ones on the Shuttle, use aluminum powder and ammonium percolate powder mixed in a Polybutadiene Acrylonitrile copolymer gue.

Google invests substantial cheddar in renewables and seems intent to make bigger investments.

I can guarantee you the last barrel of oil will go into and F-22 or the tractor that tows the shuttle to the launch pad.

I ride DART rail daily, and it has been standing room only for some time. They are working on modifications to the stations that will allow the use of lower floor cars that increase capacity from 75 to 100 ppl/car. I haven't seen the new cars yet, but I'm skeptical that the increase will be that great, because people are already standing on the steps since they're always so full.

When I look at the DART website, the emphasis is clearly on adding miles, but other than the new cars, there's nothing about increasing the capacity of the existing lines. The only fix that I can see would be to modify the schedule to have them run every few minutes during peak hours. The way their budget process appears to work, I guess that will take several years.

Strategic Railcar Reserve i.e. More rolling stock "for emergencies" (along with beefed up transformers to power them) is Step #5 in my plan to reduce US Oil Use by 10% in 10 to 12 years. Useful for major, and minor, oil problems. And they last 40 years instead of one year.

http://www.aspo-usa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=168&It...

I have since gotten more aggressive.

Best Hopes,

Alan

BTW: On May 15th, UTA (Salt Lake City) just placed a massive order (with even larger options) for LRVs (Light Rail Vehicles). Larger than federal funding would normally allow for their system (the feds "save' money by strictly limiting the number of cars ordered (or built in New Orleans case) so there is no slack for better than expected ridership. This "over order" has created a bit of a stir in transit circles (almost all agencies want more rolling stock). But since Utah is deep red, perhaps ...

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/ap/2008/05/15/utah-a...

Semi-funny story. Minneapolis ridership on the Hiawatha line is much higher than expected. But even so, it drops in the winter, especially during cold snaps.

This was puzzling until someone realized that the average diameter of the average rider increases as temperatures drop, limiting the # that can be squeezed aboard. (See Tokyo for solution).

DART is apparently getting involved in the manufacturing of these cars. It's not clear why they don't just order them as well.

The SLRVs - designed in partnership with rail vehicle manufacturer Kinkisharyo of Osaka, Japan and are assembled at two DART facilities in Dallas.

http://www.dart.org/news/news.asp?ID=789

Just thought you'd find it interesting.

Thanks !

These are not new cars. DART is going to take the existing cars and splice in a low floor section (easier boarding for wheelchairs, baby carriages, etc.) in the middle. I saw prototype in 2005.

Expect slower acceleration when full, the motors are not being upgraded I understand.

BTW, a better article on the UTA order (it mentions the option orders). Smart move ! If demand increases, UTA gets extra cars with short lead time, if not they resell cars to other agencies or do not exercise orders. This commonality with other cities also allows for future trades, common rebuild work, etc.