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http://www.discover.com/issues/feb-06/features/energizer/
Article is free for now, but will probably be put behind a paywall in a couple of weeks.
What a cool article! I can't necessarily take it all at face value, but I think he really hits the "crux of the biscuit" with
"You don't generally want lumps of coal or barrels of sticky black goo. You want comfort, illumination, mobility, baked bread, and so on."
It really says what I think is truly possible if we make it a top priority - that we don't necessarily have to make huge sacrifices in our lifestyle, if we just focus on being as efficient as possible in all that we do. We better get to work, though...
arguement.
Ain't gonna happen. Here's why.
The nut cutting points:
The US is 5% of the World's pop., using 25% of the HC's,
and borrowing 75% of the cost.
Next, the World is putting 8 Giga Tonnes of CO2 into the
Atmosphere per annum. Even BP's Browne admits that 7 of those Gt
must be eliminated from yearly output.. But Browne's target to reach, even if he does,
will not stop runaway CO2.
See "Climate Change" quote below.
"It's like saying to a person, `You've got to become an argon breather tomorrow because we're switching away from this oxygen stuff,'" (Julian)Darley said.
And since Kuwait has slashed their reserves in 1/2( and you can slash 300 Billion bbls off Bp's Ultimate World Output because Iraq, Venezuela, Iran, Dubai, Abu Dhabi and later Saudi Arabia then did the same thing), we have that much less time to fulfill Lovin's fantasy.
How much time? The Amazon will cease being a Carbon sink in 15
years.
A further cause for worry is the scientific uncertainty over the "climate sensitivity"of the
model which runs the emissions scenario. The climate sensitivity is a measure of the
temperature rise in a modelling system for a doubling of atmospheric CO2, once the
climnate has reached equilibrium, i.e. In hundreds of years. It takes no account of non-linear
or catastrophic climate changes which could be triggered at certain temperature or
precipitation thresholds, but gives a useful measure to compare models over the narrow
range of CO2 concentrations and temperature rises which we are concerned with in avoiding
dangerous climate change.
In other words-we're in a best guess scenario.
I say the Amazon is stressing now.
The emissions reductions required for energy-intensive developed countries, such as the UK,
will be around 90% on current levels, and will need to be achieved by 2030.
These targets appear challenging, but give an indication of the timescale and scale of
reductions required. Ongoing research on climate sensitivity and positive feedbacks in the
carbon cycle may indicate that a lower ceiling on temperature rise may be necessary to stop
irreversible damage to global ecosystems, implying a lower target concentration of
atmospheric CO2, and on a shorter timescale.
Colin Forrest 6/04/05, revised 14/04/05
The Cutting Edge: Climate science to April 05
So there you have it. We, the World, are caught between running out
of oil, or climate change, in less than 20 years, and we're making zero progress on both fronts. In fact, if we follow the reasoning of
F. William Engdahl-
If this analysis is accurate, the economic and social consequences will be staggering. This reality is being hidden from general discussion by the oil multinationals and major government agencies, above all by the United States government. Oil companies have a vested interest in hiding the truth in order to keep the price of getting new oil as low as possible. The US government has a strategic interest in keeping the rest of the world from realising how critical the problem has become.
When we, the West, attack Iran, our hand will be shown to the World. And, at the same time, we will show, without doubt how we,
the US, intend to resolve both the oil depletion and climate change problem.
Which will mean accelleration of both scenarios.
As Lovelock said
...[C]limate specialists see [the Earth] as seriously ill, and soon to pass into a morbid fever that may last as long as 100,000 years. I have to tell you, as members of the Earth's family and an intimate part of it, that you and especially civilisation are in grave danger.
Our planet has kept itself healthy and fit for life, just like an animal does, for most of the more than three billion years of its existence. It was ill luck that we started polluting at a time when the sun is too hot for comfort. We have given Gaia a fever and soon her condition will worsen to a state like a coma. She has been there before and recovered, but it took more than 100,000 years. We are responsible and will suffer the consequences...
...We are in a fool's climate, accidentally kept cool by smoke, and before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable. [...]
The fact that cloud processes have to be parameterized in models with 100 km horizontal resolution is a favorite "achilees heel" of the global warming denialists but at least the parameterizations are physically based with a lot of research behind them and do capture the bulk behaviour of clouds. Current models predict that a doubling of CO2 increases tropospheric humidity by about 50%. We are not looking at unlivable conditions everywhere but the poles. This is not to say things will be hunky dory but gigadeath claims based on direct global warming effects are absurd. If the claims are based on diseases then there is nothing particularly special about global warming as population density and poor sanitary conditions (e.g. SARS, bird flu) are going to happen regardless.
The problem comes when scientists begin to quantify/qualify their
errors.
And then find that errors dismissed should have been Chaos
Theory and the Power Laws considered.
I then turn to The Gaussian Curve. As it has now been
accepted by the Oil Drum Community as valid (Especially since
it affirmed that Kuwait, SA, the UAE, and Iraq were falsely claiming
300 Giga bbls), the same Gaussian Bell Curve shows that
the human population is about to undergo a severe contraction.
Meaning that, at the very least, human pop stabilization will occur
within 5 years. Think of the implications.
325,000 daily growth in people will be removed every day.
Sometime within the next 5 years. just from stabilizaton.
James
There's no WE that I can see. Just a bunch of hominid chimp knockoffs wandering around in WalMarts. Not good material for Lovins' approach.
http://www.norwaypost.no/cgi-bin/norwaypost/imaker?id=21249
We currently have the following known supply reductions:
- Statoil 140 kbpd (should we include the 118 kbpd condensate?)
- Nigeria 200 kbpd
- Russia 200 kbpd
- GOM 400 kbpd
That's not far short of 1 mbpd, all hands to the pumps folks.I love how Cheney just comes right out and says, "An oil price spike is better than an Iran with nukes."
http://www.pemex.com/files/dcpe/eprohidro_ing.pdf
http://www.prosefights.org/msd/msd.htm
Math modeling neat.
http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/supremecourt/cvpa.htm
...9.7 % increase?.. sergei, you gotta lay off the pakalolo!
http://www.transneft.ru/press/Default.asp?LANG=EN&ATYPE=8&PG=0&ID=10121
http://www.mosnews.com/money/2006/01/19/strategicreserves.shtml
Russia to Use Strategic Fuel Reserves to Combat Cold
Russia may open up part of its strategic fuel reserves due to the record cold which has encompassed almost all of the country. This information was disclosed by Russia's Energy and Industry Minister Viktor Khristenko who spoke on Thursday, Jan. 19, at a regular government meeting.
b)possibly they ARE hurting just as much as the nations they exporting to. Marginal cubic foot and all...
Incidentally, a russian professor friend of mine just got back from Moscow and explained to me that there is a "Stabilization Fund" that per the contract from the IMF /World Bank, the first $25 of every oil sale stays in Russia but everything above goes to a Russian bank account in New York. I wonder exactly who is stabilizing who...
Ill tell my friend you said hi though...;)
Now that energy prices are roaring and their own economy is going gangbusters (pun not intended..), they want to consume more energy themselves and have the means to pay for it.
You can well imagine what that means for future exports from Russia.
If we need to buy gasoline or diesel to get to work or school and we can't; our choices are:
Propane
Natural Gas
Alcohol
Hydrogen
Electric
Any off the shelf propane or NG kits will sell out real quick. With supply/demand issues, will there be enough propane to go around? How will the additional load on natural gas fare?
What about the supply of 50 lb bags of corn to make alcohol?
http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/
You can buy or even have hydrogen delivered to your house(gas or liquid). Or even rent a hydrogen generator!
http://www.airgas.com/
How many 12v batteries can you fit in your car or truck? How many will it hold if they weigh ~40lbs each? Need about six to eight thousand dollars to convert your existing car or truck over to electric... :( (at least you'll be able to drive!)
It's going to be quite a surprise when modern day civilization as we know it grinds to a halt...
http://www.cloudelectric.com/
Deffeyes explains.
regards
http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/nsa/nsa10232005/nsa.htm
Supposedly, this bike would do 200mph on rollers... 45mph on the road...
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8793/bike1aq.jpg
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/2531/bike17wh.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/377/jetbb9yr.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4017/record9zz.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8307/ub110ia.jpg
(what speed can one maintain on a normal road bike? 10mph.. 2.5 hours? Would be good exercise..)
Tempting...
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8313/800x600dsc071076ml.jpg
Wouldn't you all rather have an electric motor under your hood instead of that maintenance prone, polluting engine that's under there now?
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1382/itsinbig0hp.jpg
No oil changes, timing belt, water pump, oil leaks; none of that.
Bonus electric pics:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8304/mc0226li.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8771/mc0325gs.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1456/megavoltbat8vm.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7618/motorcompletebig0ui.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8456/motorbolted37xl.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5052/rearbatteries9jn.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/20/rearpassengerside6un.jpg
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2116/neonl4vx.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/6955/vwmotor16nu.jpg
http://www.driveev.com/
Cycling seems to be a good short-term solution for many people. My first day of training for a triathlon, I was able to maintain 25 kph (15mph) for 40km (25 miles). Eventually, I was able to do 40km in an hour, but that was an all-out once-a-week effort on a bike that wouldn't stand up to commuting for very long. For daily commuting, 25kph is a realistic average after a couple of weeks for most.
At 25 miles, that's a 100 minute commute. I'm a dedicated bike commuter, but 40 minutes is where I draw the line.
http://www.flevobike.nl/images/2004vers/ketelmeer-voor-zij.jpg
Enjoy
BTW, Ben Stein played apologist for gasoline prices on CBS Sunday Morning.
And, tonight on 60 Minutes:
THE OIL SANDS - Bob Simon reports on the oil boom in Alberta, Canada, where the oil sands produce a million barrels a day and hold reserves eight times those of Saudi Arabia. Draggan Mihailovich is the producer.
I would love to have one of those though!
But we did sell our 10-12 mpg gas guzzler, white ford.
http://www.prosefights.org/sellford/sellford.htm
I bought green rabbit in response to 1980 oil price spike to commute to sandia labs.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/bpayne37/green/green.htm
Reading all of your well thought-out responses sure is fun for a senior citizen ... 45 days younger than saddam!
Best and enjoy my senior citizen project of trying to get better gas mileage out of grey rabbit on my essential travel projects.
http://www.prosefights.org/msd/msd.htm
The math stuff is fun too.
http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/supremecourt/cvpa.htm
Maybe.
http://www.prosefights.org/baltimoresun/shanebowman.htm
However, after doing some considerable research and trying many of them out. I found the simplest, most effective and cheap still to build can be found at: http://www.myownfuel.com.
They provide step-by-step instructions and take much of the guess work out of it. If you want to run on strait Ethanol, you can learn how to convert your car here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_drane.html
I hope this helps everyone. I wish that I would have known this because it would have saved me a lot of time and money.
http://digg.com/science/5_of_World_s_Oil_Reserves_DISAPPEARED_on_Friday
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/01/22/russiangas.shtml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/01/15/do1502.xml&sSheet=/opinion /2006/01/15/ixopinion.html
Here is the NYT's article about that article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/22/weekinreview/22reading.html
Next up is today's NYT's Week in Review and David Sanger on military options for Iran:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/22/weekinreview/22sanger.html
How about that there is no evidence that Iran has violated the NPT? It appears that they are (or were until recently) operating within the treaty, while from what I have read the US is in violation of its obligations.
When the facts are at odds with the saber rattling and propaganda, it's time to look a bit further for the real issues. But at this point, it's impossible to be sure of what the Iranians would have done without the specter of a military attack against them.
I wonder if that was the purpose of the leaked stories of the impending Israeli March bombing. Or was that real?
I think this comparison is flawed and deliberately misleading. First off, Iran is not threatening to invade another country but has been on the receiving end of increasingly strident threats. Unless this guy Ahmadinejad is a complete psycho, he surely must realize that a nuclear attack on Israel would bring a totally devastating nuclear retaliation from Israel and/or the US. (Assuming that Iran would have The Bomb by 2007, which experts seriously doubt).
The only threat that a nuclear-armed Iran would pose to the US is that it would innoculate Iran from any future possibiity of a US-led invasion and 'regime change'. What really frosts the US is that should Iran get The Bomb, the US can forever kiss goodbye any dreams of installing another Shah-type regime that will play ball over oil.
What is not discussed at all in the MSM is that US has not and probably never will put any muscle on Israel to prevent it from launching an attack on Iran on its own initiative. To attack Iran Israel would have to fly over either Iraq or Turkey. As it is doubtful that Turkey would allow such a move, it seems to be quietly understood that the US would give Israel tacit approval to use US-controlled Iraqi air space. The US could easily prevent such an attack by stating clearly to Israel that should such an attack be launched, the US would shoot down all Israeli aircraft flying over Iraq. The question to be bluntly put to the Bush regime is: Will the US allow Israel to attack Iran? I think we all know the answer, but the question needs to be addressed.
Up until very recently I thought this all was an elaborate game of chicken, but I no longer think that to be the case.
The parallel point being that we are descended from the best of the best at acquiring resources and offspring. Perhaps at the last minute, China and US will just say ' naw-here you guys take the rest of the oil, we don't need it -enjoy!'
OPEC vows to ensure enough oil in market
Jan 22, 2006 - 11:23
http://wam.org.ae/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_JSESSIONID=996d55eabb64c927&pagename=WAM%2FWamLoc Enews%2FW-T-LEN-FullNews&c=WamLocEnews&cid=1137496620936&p=1041248621847
http://www.mees.com/Energy_Tables/crude-oil.htm
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/ipsr/supply.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5167208
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/business/2006/January/business_January286. xml§ion=business&col=
"Iran cuts gas supply to Turkey"
Any other reports confirming it?
It seems like the resource wars are shaping up a little bit earlier than expected.
See http://www.nypost.com/business/61952.htm. (Registration required)
Also, a recent LA Times article discussed a dustup with Mexico over trying to get them to lower cement prices and they want us to drop tariffs. Cement becoming a scarce commodity? Cement production is very energy intensive, I know. But how much?
I've tried an approach that many folks don't seem to see as necessary, but that I see as essential.
My approach is to design my life intentionally around the notion of reducing petroleum use as much as I can. This is part of reducing my environmental footprint.
Doing this, I assume that I will need to live close to work. Ideally, I will live at a walkable or bike-able distance from work.
I do all kinds of work from my Organicengines SUVs (Sensible Utility Vehicles) and can carry people or cargo up to 6, 7, or 800 pounds at need.
Usually I only need to carry 100 to 200 pounds of tools, but ride up hill and down through all weathers here in Minneapolis, MN, USA.
So I think that if we design our lives intentionally to use very little petroleum, we can do it.
Those who have invested heavily in housing and real estate designed around cheap abundant energy stand to lose an awful lot in terms of money or equity over the next few years, in my estimation.
But look at velomobiles. Check out cargo trikes, work bikes, and quads. There are many people who make and use these as tools for sustainable transportation and as "tools for conviviality" to quote a phrase.
We are bathing in petroleum. We will not be bathing in petroleum so much in the next few years.
Yes. We will smell different.
It is foolish to look at the way upper-middle class Americans now live as any kind of sustainable norm. The petroleum-bathed lifestyle is passing away.
I think our imaginations are bound and need to be liberated. Must extreme necessity and suffering be the only "mother of invention?" It looks increasingly like that is the case.
Do check out the various HPVs online. We can do more than we imagine with human power. Not everything, but many things.
Did they at least admit that Peak Oil might be a problem?
When Pickens said we would never see $1.50 gasoline again, they simply cut away. Wouldn't a real reporter ask him how high gasoline is likely to go?
I mean what's the point? How is this different than Pravda twenty years ago?
To expect 60 Minutes to do real reporting on any topic remotely related to energy, transportation, or environmental issues is simply too much.
60 Minutes did their job. They delivered some disinfotainment to the target audience, and set that audience up to keep buying cars (especially) and also to keep buying gas, now safe in the pseudo-knowledge that it comes from Canadian top-soil, just up the road a bit from Montana.
Of course, Montana will be making gas from coal, too, so we really have it made in the shade, drinking lemonade.
No problem. No change. It's all good. Keep consuming.
I'm too tired to go hunting for evidence right now. Please help me with it if you can, thanks.
"The Sino-Saudi memorandum of understanding is set to be signed during Saudi King Abdullah's three-day visit to Beijing, a Saudi official said yesterday. It will call for increased cooperation and investment between the two countries in oil, natural gas and minerals, but it won't specify any projects or dollar amounts, another Saudi official said. Other details of the agreement weren't immediately available."
The US doesn't have a monopoly in PR.
"At a time when energy prices and industry profits are soaring, the federal government collected little more money last year than it did five years ago from the companies that extracted more than $60 billion in oil and gas from publicly owned lands and coastal waters.
If royalty payments in fiscal 2005 for natural gas had risen in step with market prices, the government would have received about $700 million more than it actually did, a three-month investigation by The New York Times has found."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/23/politics/23leases.html?hp&ex=1138078800&en=01638062a5dc8e2 b&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Welcome to Amerika.
(Also posted under the Kuwait discussion)
I've been looking at the Russian and FSU P/Q versus Q plots that Khebab did (under the Kuwait post on TOD), and at first they were a little confusing, but then it finally dawned on me.
If you look at the Russian plot, oil production stopped growing at about 47% of Qt (I'm rounding off Qt at 160 Gb), around 1989. Production was basically flat for about 10 years until 1999, out to about 59% of Qt. Production then fell dramaticlly. Everyone assumed that it was because of the breakup of the Soviet Union, and then production rebounded strongly. However, the recent production is still significantly below the 1980's decade long peak. It looks like production peaked as a broad plateau centered roughly on the 53% of Qt mark. In my opinion, and several others have made this same point, the rebound in Russian production was just making up for the falloff in production during the political problems.
The key point is that Russia is probably poised for a significant drop in production. In fact, if you believe the plot, Russia has less remaining recoverable reserves than does the U.S.
Following are the Hubbert/Deffeyes reserve estimates for the top four exporters, and the estimated life of reserve estimates, at current rates of production:
Saudi Arabia: 80 Gb & 21 years
Russia: 20 Gb & 6 (SIX?????) years
Norway: 9 Gb & 8 years
Iran: 60 Gb & 40 years
Total for all four: 169 Gb & 16 years. These four countries account for the majority of net world oil exports.
This is based on the top exporters in 2004:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/topworldtables1_2.html
IMO, the world economy is in deep doo-doo.
If I have made a mistake somewhere, could someone let me know? If this is basically correct we are heading for one hell of a collapse in net exports.
Russian production was basically flat from about 1979 to 1989.
courtesy of rogerlsimon.com, the conventional wisdom on middle eastern oil may not be all that it's cracked up to be. Roger J. Stern, of John Hopkins U, has written a peer-reviewed journal published on-line by the National Academy of Science that casts doubt on the notion of the "oil weapon" in a six page paper entitled "Oil market Power and US National Security".
Hyperlink to the PDF here
From a quick look it seemed daft, but I'm not a mathematician - perhaps one of the resident mathematicians could explain precisely WHY it's daft :-)