Climate Change, Sabre Tooth Tigers and Devaluing the Future


The debate on the realities of both climate change and Peak Oil has moved from 'are they real?' to questions concerning timing, magnitude and impact. At the same time, expanding research in 'temporal discounting' in economics (called 'impulsivity' in psychology), is shedding light on how steeply we value the present over the future, a trait that has ancient origins. Knowing this tendency, how can we expect factual updates on peak oil and climate change to behaviorally compete with Starbucks, sex, slot machines, and ski trips?

Science is rapidly increasing our knowledge about the planet. To affect change however, we must become equally knowledgeable about ourselves. The time has come to integrate ecological science with insight about human behavior derived from new findings in anthropology, hunter gatherer studies, evolutionary psychology and the neurosciences. Below the fold is an overview on human discount rates, their evolutionary origins, and their relevance to the mitigation and adaptation to climate change and peak oil.


"Dumbo, caught obsessing about higher planetary CO2, did not leave any descendants"

INTRODUCTION

Much analysis and effort is being made in environmental science, ecological economics, energy analysis, and grassroots blogging (including and especially on theoildrum.com) to improve and refine data on our natural resource problem. But is "education" enough? Can reading Khebab's and Euan's posts about the upcoming peaking in world oil production push us to make forward thinking policy choices while we are still buying $2 gasoline? Would a report raising the value of the Amazon basins ecosystem services from $1 trillion to $10 trillion make a difference to those who read it? Why or why not?

The understanding and application of behavioral economics and evolutionary psychology will play an integral role in the battle with the two-headed monster Peak Oil / Climate Change. This first of several 'demand related' posts will highlight our innate bias to place more weight on the present than the future via steep discount rates.

Before some definitions, lets start with an example.

AN INTERVIEW

Following the release of the initial segments of the recent IPCC report, I called a good friend to get his reaction. (After I told him I would post his responses, he requested anonymity – lets just call him Thomas)

Nate: What do you think about the IPCC report that came out today stating by the year 2100 global temperatures will rise between 3-7 degrees? And sea levels will rise by between 17-34 inches?

Thomas: I read "State of Fear" by Crichton – most of those scientists are just playing with models – they really have no idea how its all going to play out. Plus we are in a general warming trend anyways.

Nate: I disagree with that, but let's assume the scientists are right, even conservative, would you change your behaviours or view of the world.

Thomas: Dude that's 100 years from now. I'll be dead. My kids will be dead. Its someone else's problem.

Nate: Ok – what if instead of 17 inches, there would be a 17 foot sea rise by 2100?

Thomas: Well, I'll still be dead and it will still be someone else's problem. Though I imagine the world would be a wild place were that to happen. That's alot of water.

Nate: Ok – what if instead of 2100, the 17 foot sea level rise would happen by 2050, maybe not in your lifetime but definitely in your childrens? And what about their children?

Thomas: It depends if it happened all at once or was gradual. If it was all at once, I'd either be prepared or deal with the consequences. I'd certainly tell my boys to buy land inland Oregon and California around 2045 though. Still - a long way off for me to worry about it.

Nate: Ok – imagine that it happened in 2015 – a 21 foot sea level rise.

Thomas: Dude – you do realize that Dennis Quaid movie was fiction right?

Nate: I know – just hypothetically

Thomas: Well, I'd probably move pretty soon from New York somewhere to the Rockies. I'd start moving my retirement assets out of stocks and into bonds because 17 feet is going to cause a hell of a recession, not to mention global upheaval. I wouldn't change my job or anything but probably would prepare my children a little better to face a chaotic world. Would everyone know it was going to happen or just me?

Nate: Ok what if the Greenland ice sheet melted this summer and there was a 17 feet sea level rise this August?

Thomas: Well now youre getting plain nutty. But if that happened, I'd liquidate all of my investments, take my wife and kids on some expensive trips to Africa and other places that might be changed forever, then hunker down. Probably get stocked up Y2K like, just in case, and just enjoy life as best I could - what can I do anyways? These things all have a momentum of their own – nothing me or my family could do would make much of a difference. I like eating meat and I like my SUV. Nate you should work for Greenpeace or something.

Though the above conversation is of course only a sample size of one, it effectively highlights two prevalent evolutionary concepts that are related to climate change and oil depletion. The first is the biological concept of inclusive fitness popularized by Richard Dawkins in "The Selfish Gene" and related to ecology in the famous "Tragedy of The Commons" by Garret Hardin. This concept of individual selection over group selection in a world of declining resources and sink capacity will be covered in my next post. The interview also highlights how distant events seem not to intrude on ones daily thought process, until they become close enough in time to affect our normal routines. I assure you my friend Thomas is not losing sleep over Peak Oil or global warming.

THE EVOLUTION OF THE HUMAN BRAIN

"In the distant future I see open fields for far more important researches. Psychology will be based on a new foundation, that of the necessary acquirement of each mental power and capacity by gradation."
-- Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, 1859
Just a decade ago, an observant generalist could see cracks in the foundation of the standard social science model(SSSM) (and for that matter standard neoclassical economics). It is now apparent these models have fatal flaws and that we are in the liminal space defining what will supercede them. The SSSM posits that we are born a blank slate and during our lives culture infuses us with our language, instincts and behaviours. We now know that we have been shaped through millions and millions of years of mutation, migration, genetic drift and natural selection and that we are not born a blank slate but a creature optimized for activities leading to resource acquisition and reproduction. Culture is very important, but it is the mortar, not the bricks. Nature and nurture are inseparable, and both play a role. But we unequivocally posess genetic leashes - some are long (what do I want to eat for lunch?) and some are short (if Jennifer Garner kisses me, I will like it.). This post will attempt to go beyond economics and psychology and first look at why we so strongly value the present, an answer found in biology, Darwinian ecology and evolutionary psychology.

In "The Adapted Mind", Leda Cosmides lays out 5 core principles of Evolutionary Psychology:

1. The brain is a physical system. It functions as a computer. Its circuits are designed to generate behavior that is appropriate to the environmental circumstances.

2. Our neural circuits were designed by natural selection to solve problems that our ancestors faced during our evolutionary history.

3. Consciousness is just the tip of the iceberg; most of what goes on in your mind is hidden from you. As a result your conscious mind can mislead you into thinking that our circuitry is simpler than it really is. Most problems that you experience as easy to solve are actually very difficult to solve-they require very complicated neural circuitry.

4. Different neural circuits are designed for solving different adaptive problems.

5. (and the famous one) Our modern skulls house a stone age mind.

Though the revolution started with Darwin, the last decade has put the finishing touches on explaining who and what we are as humans. There are still some periods with missing links, but from the small mammals that survived the Chicxulub meteor 65 million years ago, through Proconsul 20 million years ago, to the chimp/human split over 5 million years ago, the compounding of slight changes that improved mating, reproduction, and survival of offspring success have honed us into the most successful species on the planet (by some measures in any case). I'm not sure what is more amazing, the fact that we evolved from tarsiers, or that we have managed to figure out we evolved from tarsiers.

The ancient civilizations of our history books are only 5000 years old, a time period of 1/5th of 1% of the time since our ancestors first sharpened stones (2.5 million years ago). Genetic data suggest that our species was once as endangered as the mountain gorilla today (Stringer/Mckee). At that bottleneck and others, what stood between human extinction and the 6.5 billion of us today? What behaviours were selected for and selected against? Everyone reading this post today is descended from the survivors of that and subsequent periods.


The relentless progress of brain and behaviour

We actually have 3 'brains' within one (termed the Triune brain, shown below). About 1,000,000,000 years ago, multicellular life started to form on the planet. Simple 'brains' that responded by moving towards or away from stimuli gradually evolved into more and more complex forms until they reached the stage of reptiles and amphibians, about 600 million years ago. Since the brain never sleeps, each subsequent mutation or new species added layers (through the 4 mechanisms of natural selection) on top of what existed before it. The 'reptilian' or primitive brain controls basic instinctual survival behaviour and thinking. It is here that our 'board of directors' reacts to fight or flight stimuli, without us consciously being aware of it. (Indeed, research by Benjamin Libet has shown that our decisions are made 500 milliseconds (1/2 second) before we are consciously aware of them. "Culture" presumably has the remaining 400 milliseconds to veto the decision since we need 1/10 of a second to process the behaviour). With the eventual arrival of what we now call mammals 200 million years ago, new structures had been 'added on' to brains - the amygdyla, the hippocampus and hypothalumus. With the emergence of this mammalian brain (also called the limbic system) organisms showed emotion, memory and feelings that led to associated behavioral response patterns. Finally, in the higher mammals, apes and humans, the neo (or new) cortex developed. This is where 'rational' thought is processed. This brain region controls higher order functions like reason, speech and Hubbert Linearization. But human emotional response patterns depend on the neural pathways that link the right hemisphere of the neo-cortex to the mammalian brain which in turn links to the reptilian brain.


The Triune Brain (Mclean 1959)

THE MECHANISM

The mechanism between brain and behaviour is the pursuit of a similar mixture of neurotransmitters that allowed our ancestors reproductive success in periods of privation. Dopamine, a core neurotransmitter plays an integral role in our short term desires. If you've ever bought a pair of shoes you'd been wanting for 6 months or hit three 7s on a slot machine, or been the first customer at a Starbucks when they opened, you know what dopamine activation feels like. A relevant medical story has been in the news of late. Parkinsons disease results from not enough dopamine in certain areas of the brain - a drug Mirapex is given to Parkinsons patients that increases dopaminergic activity. In the last few years however, dozens of Mirapex patients have checked in to Mayo Clinic with bizarre symptoms - church pastors were having extramarital affairs, normallly conservative people became compulsive gamblers - one person lost $100,000 gambling in a very short time. Apparently, it is not easy to find the right dosage of Mirapex and many of these patients were now receiving too much dopamine.


Functional MRI showing dopamine activation in normal patient vs Parkinsons patient

This is concerning, considering Dr. Peter Whybrow, one of my thesis advisors, and the author of American Mania, suggests Americans, due partially to a genetic bottleneck favoring ambitious migrants, and leveraged by our frenetic culture are becoming 'dopamaniacs'. The dopaminergic system is clearly is one of the drivers of our short term behavior. In short, more dopamine craving means less concern about Peak Oil and climate change.

MALADAPTATION?

Our culture presents a smorgasbord of options that allow us to 'feel' like our ancestors did when they were successful. Neuroscientist Robert Sapolsky likens the physiology of two grand master chess players to a marathon runner - the body is experiencing the same neurotransmitters (presumably, they did not have chess back on the Pleistoscene). Many of the options available to us that engage our neurotransmitters are maladaptive. Pornography, fast food, arcade games, lottery tickets, etc. all give us feelings identical to those our ancestors were good at pursuing. But now they often trick our brains into thinking they too will lead to evolutionary success.


Cultural Options - Maladaptation?

SO WHAT IS A DISCOUNT RATE?

Everyone is familiar with the 'discount rate' in the financial markets. It's the rate that the Federal Reserve charges its member banks. Its also the rate that a stock analyst might use to discount a companies future earnings stream back to the present. Imagine a company whose entire business plan is to sell a product in 10 years – say at the Olympics – they make no money until then but a lot of money in that one year, say $100 million. How much would investors pay for this company? Certainly something less than $100 mil, as that money wont come for 10 years. They would determine what the risk was of actually getting that $100 mil 10 years hence, then determine what an appropriate rate of return would be, say 15% per year. Discounted at 15% per year, $100 mil is $24.75 mil- that is what they should be willing to pay. So in this example, the discount RATE is 15% and the discount FACTOR is 24.75%, or how much something in the future is worth today. The higher a discount rate the lower the discount factor will be. A discount rate approaching 1, means things in the future have no value at all in the present moment. A discount rate of zero means that $1 dollar in 2050 is worth $1 today.


The Human Hyperbolic Discount Rate

The original neoclassical assumption was that the discount rate curve was exponential, meaning that we discounted the same from period to period. Actual economic experiments however show that the shape of the discount curve is hyperbolic, or as Harvard economist David Laibson prefers quasi-hyperbolic. This means that the early periods have much steeper discount rates than later periods. Laibsons research indicates that peoples discount rates are 12% during days 0-5 but drop to 4% in days 20-25. We REALLY prefer the present.

Animals (and humans) have their own internal discount rates exogenous from the market on how they choose between the short term and longer term options offered them in life. Since many animals have short lifespans, they have been shaped through evolution to gather resources and reproduce quickly before they die (this is not a conscious motive – they innately pursue behaviours that were historically successful). Different species have different discount rates, though all are steep, much steeper than our financial systems rates. If you leave for the weekend and give your goldfish 3 days of food at once, you will probably return to a dead bloated goldfish - they have discount factors close to zero and discount rates close to one. One reason humans discount rates arent quite as steep is probably due to our sunk costs. If we didn't have mortgage payments and college funds for our kids, our discount rates might even be steeper. Its quite logical – animals that deferred opportunities to eat, might come back and their food was stolen, or they might have been eaten themselves in the interim – the long arm of selection would have favored organisms that valued immediacy over those who preferred to wait.


Humans care more about Peak Oil than rats or pigeons

Researchers on animals and humans measure discount rates using the following technique. They offer a small short term reward (SS) as well as a larger long term reward (LL) with differing time delays depending on the experiment. To calculate the discount rate they repeat the experiment until the subject is indifferent between the 2 choices – based on how large the future reward must be, they can compute a discount rate and discount factor, similar to the business example above. With animals, the discount rate tests are almost always food, while with humans they are often money or drugs (e.g cocaine addicts). A recent study on two different monkey species suggests an ecological basis for differing discount rates. Two monkey species, similar genetically and in habitat but differing in diet were studied using food rewards. One species was a gummivore - it scratched on trees and waited for the sap to ooze out which was its main food source. The other species was an opportunistic insectivore, grabbing whatever insect it would see and could catch. As hypothesized, the monkey whose feeding behaviour had evolved to require patience had lower discount rates than the other species in laboratory tests. How cool is that?

NEURO-ECONOMICS

Neuro-economics is a rapidly expanding field that combines traditional economics experiments with fMRI or PET scans. Economist David Laibson has made an amazing observation. During economic games, subjects who choose the LL (larger long term reward) had their prefrontal cortex activated. Those who chose the smaller short term rewards showed neural activity in the limbic system, or emotional mammalian brain.


The relentless progress of brain and behaviour

This graph shows that humans in effect have 2 discount rates. The blue line shows our 'thinking' discount rate whereas the steeper red line shows our emotional discount rate. This is clearly suggestive that we make decisions in different parts of our brain. It also proves (not that we needed proof) that emotions have the ability to trump reason.

DISCOUNT RATE STUDIES

Some people balk at evolutionary psychology because they feel it is deterministic and doesn't apply in all situations. I agree. However it does give an accurate general template for how people interact with eachother and the world. If I say that 'men are taller than women', that doesnt mean that ALL men are taller than ALL women, just that on average this is the case. (Not the case on TOD staff, fyi). I have shown that our evolutionary origins tilt us towards valuing the present more than the future. Not as much as lower animals, but much more than purely 'rational' beings. The table below shows some research results suggesting certain members of society have even steeper discount rates than others. Specifically, those who smoke, do heroine or cocaine, gamble, are mentally ill, consume alcohol, or are young. Of import is studies on cocaine addicts show that not only do they discount cocaine steeply versus the future - but they discount other things as well. In other words, if you have are addicted to something, you tend to value the present more than the future in other areas of life too.

Not on the table is a study by anthropologists Wilson and Daly showing that when shown a pretty female face versus an average one (activating the limbic system) men's discount rates increase and they subsequently make irrational monetary decisions. Women, by contrast, made equally rational decisions whether they had been shown pictures of handsome men or those of average attractiveness. (7) Somehow I believe this study.


DISCOUNT RATE STUDIES (2)

Increasing research in the side fields of economics is painting a clearer picture of our tendency to value the present. The above graph is suggestive of different sub-groups of society that exhibit higher discount rates than average. Anecdotally, I originally promised Professor Goose I'd write this piece a month ago, but perhaps since I'm single, male, drink wine and coffee, play poker on the internet, and have been called 'crazy' by some of my friends, I wrote the entire post in the last 24 hours. Its a good thing I don't smoke or do cocaine or it would never have gotten written. However, since I am aware of my own steep discount rates (also called procrastination in favor of other more fun and intersting things), I devised a solution. I decided to consciously email the entire TOD staff and alert them this post was in the queue this week. In effect I made a social contract and would have suffered embarrassment that I let the team down if I blew it off. More research in this area is necessary - social contracts may provide solutions for a society driving towards a cliff but addicted to driving.

THE FUTURE EATERS

Australian biologist Tim Flannery has called the human species "The Future Eaters". Indeed, paleo-anthropology suggests many historical societies collapsed due to resource depletion even though they must have been aware of it. The example made famous by Jared Diamond is 'what was that Easter Islander thinking that chopped down the last tree'? The best documented recent mass extinctions of flightless birds and other large mammals from New Zealand and Madagascar show that humans were to blame. Though Neandertals and early Homo Sapiens did hunt game without hunting it out, upper Paleolithic hunters were more numerous and better equipped for mass slaughter - 100,000 horses killed at one site, a thousand mammoths at another. Given the millions of years of shaping of our neural circuitry, it is hard to imagine that our mental structure has changed that much in the last few thousand years. Indeed, for those who are not high on the oil subsidy banquet and need food stamps to survive, scientists have shown a 10-15% decline in caloric intake during the month, implying a steep discount rate exists when food is the primary concern.(1)

WHAT THE HECK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH CLIMATE CHANGE AND PEAK OIL?

If you're still with me, Im impressed, as the above diagrams and verbage are quite disparate. Yet so is our situation. Environmental icon Gus Speth, in "Red Sky at Morning" laments that the single biggest failing of his generation of environmentalists was that they just 'talked'. We have tens of thousands of well intentioned environmentally minded scientists and activists in this country and others. I pose no answers in this post, because I don't have them. But I am certain that a fusion of the brain sciences and evolutionary biology into the environmental and energy discussions will be a large step forward.

Ultimately we are after impact. If we spend 99% of our efforts on educating people on the facts of peak oil, yet nothing happens, it would be better to spend 50% of our efforts on education and 50% by example. For example, researchers attempted to persuade young students not to litter either by teaching them about ecology and pollution or by telling them they were neat and tidy compared to other students -only the latter had a positive effect.(4) E.O Wilson suggests "A stiffer dose of biological realism is in order..The only way to make a conservation ethic work is to ground it in ultimately selfish reasoning. An essential component of this formula is the principle that people will conserve land and species fiercely if they forsee a material gain for themselves their kin or their tribe." All of our past environmental successes (DDT, Ozone depletion, unleaded gasoline, etc.) had some sort of smoking gun - an emotional trigger. The problem with climate change/peak oil, is when we do get the emotional trigger, it may be a gatling gun on full bore.

After preparing this (what I thought was novel) post, tonight I found that Larry Karp at Cal-Berkeley has written a paper on the same topic, titled "Global Warming and Hyperbolic Discounting" Here is the abstract:

ABSTRACT: The use of a constant discount rate to study long-lived environmental problems such as global warming has two disadvantages: the prescribed policy is sensitive to the discount rate, and with moderate discount rates, large future damages have almost no effect on current decisions. Time-consistent quasi-hyperbolic discounting alleviates both of these modeling problems, and is a plausible description of how people think about the future. We analyze the time-consistent Markov Perfect equilibrium in a general model with a stock pollutant. The solution to the linear-quadratic specialization illustrates the role of hyperbolic discounting in a model of global warming.

THE BOTTOM LINE

1. Education about oil depletion and climate change is not enough. We need to incorporate how people react to information. If companies like Daimler Chrysler are using neuromarketing to sell more cars, an equal effort needs to be made on the environmental and energy front.

2. Two of the planets largest problems, climate change and peak oil, are in the future. As such, our evolutionary derived penchant to focus on the present lacks the discipline to think and act ahead. Either accelerating the expected 'bad news' or making the expected bad news 'worse' are both ways to increase the weight we place on these events.

3. We can't easily reduce our discount rates. But having a team of middle aged female monks running the climate change team may not be a bad idea (I'm only half kidding).

4. There are so many scientific disciplines running parallel courses. Somehow we need to integrate them into a logical framework that makes sense and is practical. I don't expect President Bush will soon appoint a Secretary of Darwinian Ecology but the time is now to combine the sciences.

5. Though it's difficult, we can learn from our mistakes. Those on Easter Island, Rome and the Mayas and Aztecs were neurally not dissimilar from us. To recognize they valued the present even when they could forsee the future (cutting down the last tree) means we have to acknowledge ahead of time that our intelligence will be trumped by our emotion, and plan accordingly.

5b. In writing this post, it dawned on me that much of the work we do in raising peak oil awareness is received by readers as kind of an interesting horror movie. Yes - tell me more scary facts and I will sit at my computer and read them. But its the rational brain that is receiving this information. And its not budging behavior much.

5c. Understanding that stress increases peoples discount rates suggests to me that the events surrounding peak oil (and perhaps climate change) will reach an inflection point. We need to hit the emotional triggers well ahead of peak oil. Once people are stressed and things become difficult, accessing peoples rational minds will be all the harder. Plus, greater awareness of resource depletion might trigger increased consumption, as people try to get their share.

6. I think steep discount rate is another term for addiction. Humans are addicted to life. Some more than others.

P.S. Lets do lunch!...;)


REFERENCES

1. "Is There a Daily Discount Rate? Evidence from the Food Stamp Nutrition Cycle"(pdf), Shapiro, Jesse, et al, Harvard, November 2003

2. "Intertemporal Choice" (pdf) Chablis et Al, The New Palgrave Dictionary of Economics 2007 (to be published)

3. "The Ecology and Evolution of Patience in Two New World Monkeys"(pdf) Stevens et Al, Apr 20 2005

4. "The Evolutionary Roots of Our Environmental Problems: Towards a Darwinian Ecology" Penn, Dustin, The Quarterly Review of Biology Sep 2003 Volume 78 No 3.

5. "Separate Neural Systems Value Immediate and Delayed Monetary Rewards", Mclure, Laibson, et al SCIENCE Vol 306Oct 2004

6. "Why Be Nice? Psychological Constraints on The Evolution of Cooperation" Stevens et al TRENDS in Cognitive Sciences Feb 2005

7. "Do Pretty Women Inspire Men to Devalue the Future?" Wilson, M, Daly, M. Biology Letters May 2004


Nathan John Hagens
The University of Vermont
www.theoildrum.com
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It seems to me that the discount rate for an individual and even a group of individuals would change as they age. Infants and children are notorious for wanting instant gratification. As the child grows he learns to defer gratification in hopes of a higher reward. However, as one ages and comes to toward the end of life, as in my case, instant gratification becomes more attractive again. Observing other elderly I often sees things like the purchase of a new luxury car shortly before death, whereupon it is sold to settle the estate. Perhaps with the aging baby boomers now in power, a discount rate approaching one is appropriate. I know I don't have much interest in long term investing any more.

Yes this is true. The study on age related discounting showed that older people DID have lower discount rates, but only on 1 the tests of 1 year horizons. For 5-10 year horizons, they exhibited steeper discount rates. Which makes sense.

As one octogenerian said: "at my age, you don't buy green bananas".

I've also seem a bit of this tendency among peakers: the oldest ones understand it all but say "oh well, I'll be safely dead when TSHTF".

Vtpeaknik, you quote a line I have used often. "I hope to be safely dead when TSHTF!" But I never put "Oh well" before saying that. I am greatly concerned with peak oil, global warming and all the other things that affect the earth. But I know there is nothing I can do about it except to try to get a few people to try to save their own ass.

I am a doomer pure and simple. I have thrashed this straw for forty years and have seen people discount and deny every fact that hits them in the face. I know we will do nothing about any of the problems until the consequences proves the doomers were all correct.

All this causes me to grieve for my children, grandchildren and all humanity. I do not simply shake it off with an "Oh Well!" But I cope.

Good bourbon helps.

Ron Patterson

“There is not any memory with less satisfaction than the memory of some temptation we resisted.” James B. Cabell

Oh the many truths of life and discounting that lie therein...

This doesn't mean that there shouldnt be discounting. Economic growth being stunted now by 1% has absolutely enormous cost for instance over a century.

Economic growth being increased now by 1% has absolutely enormous cost for instance over a century.

I agree. Often our proposed solutions are the problem. Grow the economy so we can afford to protect the environment...etc.

Can we have economic growth at 5% globally per year while reducing our ecological footprint by 5% per year compounded over the next several decades?

With this sort of attitude we can't possibly have a rational conversation. We have diametrically opposed worldviews.

The answer to your question depends entirely on how you measure "economic growth".

(If by GDP, then the answer is no way. But GDP is a lousy measure of real progress. It measures activity only, without distinguishing between productive and destructive activity.)

Dealing with Peak Oil and Global Warming in a way that overcomes the various forms of myopia, irrationality, and selfishness that are the outcomes of the psychological phenomena Nate Hagens speaks about is ultimately a moral and spiritual problem. Overcoming the "discount problem" requires the willingness to rationally appreciate the true nature of what we face, and to freely embrace the acutely self-sacrificial choices required in overcoming the "discount problem" within oneself so as to deal with what we face effectively. As individuals and as a race, we are free to embrace or to reject the moral and spiritual transformation that all this entails.

Richard Heinberg recognizes this in his book "Powerdown." There he writes, among other things, in response to critics of his who chide him for overlooking the need for moral and spiritual regeneration. His response to them is that what he outlines as the path of "Powerdown" IS ITSELF the very moral and spiritual regeneration that would be necessary for humankind to deal with the problems facing it without descending into anarchy and war leading ultimately to oblivion.

That is exactly the achilles' heel of Heinberg's very thoughtful overall outlook, in my opinion. Just where exactly does he expect this widespread moral and spiritual transformation to originate from? To suppose that one could reasonably expect something like that to happen is tantamount to implicitly introducing a "Deus ex Machina" into the world, insofar as this world is regarded from a scientific standpoint.

Western man has been awaiting the dawn of this moral and spiritual transformation ever since the rise of Progress Ideology in its various forms during the Enlightenment - but it clearly hasn't happened yet. What reason is there to believe that it will happen in the next generation or so, when humanity so sorely and desperately needs it (as many who post on TOD would reluctantly agree, I think)?

It is at this juncture of the discussion that religion DOES become very germane to the Peak Oil/Global Warming debate. As a very general matter, religion has pertinent things to say about the moral and spiritual dimension of the problems we face as a race that are utterly crucial, and that the scientific/technical standpoint on things is incapable of addressing. The very short answer is that Divine Grace is necessary to effect the required moral and spiritual transformation.

I have to say that many things about the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy have never made any sense to me before reading this essay. Celibacy, relinquishing worldly goods, extreme age of the College of Cardinals - they all make perfect sense if the goal is continuation of one of the longest-lived human institutions. Yes, religion probably does have something we need here. It deals with the human "magic" that John Michael Greer was recently talking about, it has the tremendous timeframe needed to appreciate these problems, it is one of the few organizations/concepts that has found ways to harness short-term human desires to long-term goals. Unfortunately, religions are still calling for population growth, are only now speaking up about climate change, and haven't discussed fossil fuel use. What if peak oil happens too fast for long-horizon religions to respond?

I am just amazed that I haven't seen a book about this topic before. What an eye-opener. Thanks, Nate!

Great point - organized religion is an institution that dampens peoples steep discount rates. I hadnt thought of it that way before, but it makes sense.

Think about it - with no religion, people would REALLY focus on the present - but the concept of an 'afterlife' is a huge lump sum at the end of ones life thats net present value overcomes small daily costs and allows people to behave differently than animals with incredibly steep discount rates. (my dog is eating a hambone right now and couldnt care less who the pope is)

So thats the cultural template, even though in many cases it has gone awry - but if the template works, we could apply it for a different reason (climate change and peak oil)

Just thinking out loud -thanks for your comment!

Wow. Three responses even more stimulating than the original essay. Which started damn good. Wow.

I don't think that's really necessarily true. I am not at all religious, yet I have an extremely low personal discount rate. I actually find living for the moment quite difficult and depressing.

I do accept though, that religion performs a necessary function, many people really need it, and of course I agree that it would be of great benefit if it could be harnessed to move civilization to a new paradigm where we could powerdown in such a manner that it/we could have a future.

From an American spiritual leader:
Oren Lyons, seventy-six, is a wisdom carrier, one of the bearers of a variety of human tradition that can’t easily be reduced to a couple of sentences….

After the Peace Maker gathered five warring nations—the Mohawks, the Oneidas, the Cayugas, the Senecas, and the Onondagas—and after great efforts and great cohesive work, the power of the unity of the good minds brought together this confederacy based on peace. And after he had taken the leaders and sat them under this great tree on the shoreline of Onondaga Lake and instructed them on the process of governance, on the principles of governance, on the importance of identity and the importance of rule and law, he said, “Now that we’ve planted this great tree, in your hands now I place all life. Protection of all life is in your hands now,” and when he said all life, he meant literally, all life.

And it’s an instruction that we carry today. We feel responsible for animals, we feel responsible for trees, and responsible for fish, responsible for water. We feel responsible for land and all of the insects and everything that’s there. And when he spoke of the four white roots reaching in the four directions, I think he was talking to all people. Not just Haudenosaunee. This is an instruction for all people.

But after all of that, a woman said to him, “Well then,” she said, “how long will this last?” And he answered, “That’s up to you.” So it’s completely up to us if we want this Creation to continue, and if we want to be involved in it, a part of this whole recycling, this whole regeneration of life, and we want to be celebrating it, and we want to be enjoying it, and we want to be preserving it, carrying it on, protecting it for future generations.

http://www.orionmagazine.org/pages/om/07-1om/Lopez-Lyons.html

IIRC, celibacy was not a requirement of the priesthood until the twelfth century. I understand that it was introduced because preventing priests from leaving issue would ensure any property they owned would pass to the church rather than to heirs. (As many churchmen and bishops were also wealthy landowners, the measure made sense in terms of church power).

You can interpret this development as one particular Pope deciding to aggrandize the Church (and hence himself)... that is, it is consistent with the 'selfishness' hypothesis that ties in with discounting. In other words, don't expect to see an institution like the Church doing much good in ameliorating the negative impacts of discounting. Churchmen have the same neuronal circuitry as the rest of us, and those that survive Church bureaucracy and hierarchy are exactly the sort of short-term careerists and conservatives that also screw up the world in every other field of human endeavour. Sh*t floats to the top, as they say.

I agree with your assessment for the need for moral/spiritual regulation of behavior to stay within carrying capacity.

Some indigenous peoples use taboos to control overharvesting by making some areas off limits (sacred areas).

The ancient Egyptians had the longest running continous urbanized culture in the history of the planet, from about 3000 BC to about 1500 AD when the last remanents (above the Nile cataracts) were crushed by Islam. This was achieved despite being limited to a very narrow strip of land in the midst of a huge desert. How did they achieve this?
1) A Greek historian called the ancient Egyptians "entirely too religious". Egyptians believed they would be judged after death as to worthiness for afterlife; this controlled behavior in the present. Also, the priest class was responsible for storing grain in times of plenty against times of famine. No one questioned their authority.
2) Greek historians also regarded ancient Eqyptian men as fools for treating women as equals. Fools like foxes! Women were allowed to own businesses, initiate divorce, and most importantly (drum roll, please)...practice birth control.

To paraphrase a little saying that went around a few years ago, "all I need to live indefinitely in a finite world I learned 5000 years ago".

Could you give me a link to a web source about the remnants of the Egyptian civilization above the Nile cataracts? I love history and would like to read more about that. I've googled and haven't found anything specific. Thanks

While I don't dispute your premise about religion which makes intuitive sense, it seems to me that a formal religion or sense of spirituality isn't the essential ingredient. What is essential is a value system that places the individual within the larger context of humanity and all life. Religions can do that, but they can also carry a lot of baggage that redirects the focus back to, if not the individual, then at least to that individual's tribal group. One of the things that most religions are very good at is promoting the us/them divide, whether it's between sects within the same religion, between religions and their undrpinning cultures, of between believers and non-believers.

It seems to me that the more inclusive a value system is, the more it places the individual within the entirety of humanity and life in general, the more likely it is to promote the kind of flattening of the discount curve that is essential. For this purpose, my choice is for garden-variety humanism.

Unfortunately, the inclusivity of the value system of an individual seems to be as innate as many other aspects of personality. From the cultural level, it can only work with what is available, the world isn't populated with latent buddists.

It only appears to be innate because we're taught it very early. The world is populated with potential Buddhists (or at least potential Unitarians), we just can't rescue them early enough. that makes the deprogramming a bit harder later on.

I found this article very interesting, even aside for Peak Oil issues. It explains a lot of things about human behavior. A lot of the "Why would he/she have done that stupid thing?" questions can be answered by the person in question having a steeper personal discount rate. (Too steep for what is good for them in my view, but I have have a more shallow discount rate I guess)

It's particularly evident in financial issues; gambling, running up credit card debt, buying a house or car you can't afford the payment on, failing to save for retirement. But I also see obvious connections in health issues too. Why do we eat more than we should? Fail to exercise like we should? Eat healthier foods? Because the short term rewards of eating a lot of unhealthy food and getting to sit around and relax override the long term problems.

I enjoyed the article very much. Thank you.

Thank you.

I sometimes ask myself at 11 pm when i open the pantry or refrigerator - does my body need nutrition? Am I lacking calories to sustain my activities? The true answer is I am seeking a certain 'feeling' that eating chips or a sandwich or some ice cream will give me. Most foods generate serotonin, the zen master of neurotransmitters, and what antidepressants create (Serotonin reuptake inhibitor SSRIs block the 'disposal' of used seronin in the system and allow it to stay around longer). A topic for another day is the acidity of our diets causes long term low serotonin levels and we then seek out dopamine generating activities to feel better.

Eating sweet and salty things give our stone age brains signals that we are doing something good - our cognitive awareness that they will make us fat, give us diabetes, etc is typically not strong enough to overcome those ancient signals.

Excellent post...in my work, I deal with people whom I now know how to describe as having "steep discount rates" on a daily basis. I previously referred to them as "not forward-thinking people," but the idea is the same. A capacity for denial of their own actions is also notable. I enjoyed especially your conversation with Thomas--the answers he gave seem quite typical of those I've heard in trying to explain certain aspects of our coming problems.

Hi Earthworm,

I think we need a 'group plan' discount rate spanning generations.

As we grow from childhood individually, in our society, we become fearful we will not get enough or have enough. Depending on our abilities we try varied methods to assure that we always have 'enough'. This 'getting' ranges from short fixes of gambling or 'beggaring the neighbour' to longer term plans like 'getting an education' . BUT, no matter, how much we have, it will never be enough as some other force or person might take some or all of it away. Having a long discount rate for the individual doesn't seem to translate into a good outcome for the group any more than a short rate.

If we could assure each other that, no matter what, all would eat or no one would eat, I would feel pretty assured of our survival, but this is a step in evolution (social or genetic) that hasn't been made. Maybe we will just have to clasp P.O. to our breasts and be purified by that fiery furnace before we reach any golden age. (Lucky for me at my age I will likely crap out before that happens...boy talk about luck!)

Pessoptimisticaly yours,

Black Bald,

Well, that about covers it.

A good place to start, if you want to change your behaviour, is to remind yourself (often) that humans are animals with an evolutionary history. After you study & think about this for a few years, you will come to realize that "the big brain" you've got isn't really helping matters much, unless you make a conscious effort to override the more ancient stuff. Otherwise, that big brain is completely dominated by the part sitting beneath it that you can't access (discounting, et.al). This picture may help.

Nice job, Nate.

Dave - just to complete the complex pictorial metaphor (is that a chunk of the Larsen B by the way)


The captain of The Titanic saw no reason to slow down, despite clear warning of dangers that lay ahead - why?

So Nate, what was his discount rate? And is there any mileage in looking into the behavior (discount rates) of individuals and groups that have been involved in disasters - Shuttles Columbia and Challenger, Piper Alpha, Chernobyl?