Implications of "Peak Oil" for Atmospheric CO2 and Climate

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The title is that of a paper recently (20th April 2007) submitted by James Hansen and Pushker Kharecha. The complete paper can be downloaded here:

Implications of “Peak Oil” for Atmospheric CO2 and Climate

James Hansen is a physicist, adjunct professor: Earth and Environmental Sciences, Columbia University and director: NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Science. Outside the scientific community Hansen is probably best known for accusing the Bush administration of trying to silence him after he gave a lecture in December 2005 calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming.

In this paper Hansen and Kharecha consider “realistic” (they use EIA data) reserves for oil and gas and conclude that due to approaching peaks it is feasible to keep atmospheric CO2 from exceeding approximately 450ppm as long as coal and unconventional fossil fuels are used responsibly.

Introduction

The twin problems of peak oil and climate change are rarely considered with respect to one another, in fact some leading climate change campaigners advocate not talking about peak oil at all (see George Monbiot’s recent speech here and my response here). The problems are closely related and the best course of action must fully consider the best thinking on both subjects. For this reason I applaud Hansen as one of the very few climate scientists who does fully integrate an understanding of peak oil (and gas) into his work on climate change.

In this paper Hansen briefly introduces Hubbert’s notion of peaking oil production rates when about half of the economically recoverable resource has been exploited, going on to mention subsequent work highlighting geological and geographical constraints that similarly lead to the pattern of growth, a production peak followed by declining production of minerals, natural gas and coal.

This seemingly obvious fact of life does not feature largely in today’s studies of climate change:

Despite the obvious relevance of “peak oil” to future climate change, it has received little attention in projections of future climate change. For instance, in the CO2 emissions scenarios outlined in the Special Report on Emissions Scenarios (SRES) of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2000), socioeconomic and technological changes are employed as determinants of future energy use, without explicitly addressing the consequences of peak production of fossil fuels.
The focus of the paper is the relevance that the magnitudes and production rates of remaining fossil fuels have to avoiding “dangerous anthropogenic interference” which is taken as likely at CO2 concentrations of 450ppm and possibly lower.

Reserves

This chart illustrates the fossil fuel reserves Hansen is working with. They are expressed in terms of their carbon content rather than energy content.


Fig 1. Historical fossil fuel emissions (Marland et al., 2006; BP, 2006), current proven conventional reserve estimates for oil and gas (EIA, 2006) and coal (IPCC, 2001a), reserve growth estimates for oil and gas (EIA, 2006), and possible amounts of unconventional resources (IPCC, 2001a).

CO2 Pulse Response

In addition to the magnitude of stated reserves this analysis also depends on how carbon emissions relate to atmospheric CO2 concentrations. For this Hansen uses the following parameterisation of the Bern carbon cycle model:
CO2 (t) = 18 + 14 exp (-t/420) + 18 exp (-t/70) + 24 exp (-t/21) + 26 exp (-t/3.4)
This pulse response function for anthropogenic CO2 emissions illustrates the proportion of CO2 that remains airborne t years after emissions and looks like this:


Fig 2. Decay pulse
[the expression] implies that one-third of anthropogenic CO2 emissions remain in the atmosphere after 100 years and one-fifth after 1000 years.
Hansen also points out that this should be considered as a “lower bound” as the uptake capacity of the oceans decreases as the dissolved carbon increases and there exists the potential for feedbacks to make additional CO2 emissions. On feedbacks he makes this observation:
However, the nonlinearities and climate feedbacks do not appear to have played a large role in the increase of atmospheric CO2 from 280 to 382 ppm, so their effects may remain moderate if further CO2 increase is limited.
We hear a lot about feedbacks these days with many mechanisms proposed however there seems to be little direct evidence that such nonlinear responses start now apposed to say 30ppm earlier or perhaps 30ppm later. This is a critical point, if feedbacks are not yet playing a critical role as Hansen hopes then perhaps we have a little linear “breathing room” to mitigate dangerous climate change through controlling our emissions. However if feedbacks are now critical climate drivers then there seems little scope for mitigation through anthropogenic emission control – in a feedback dominated system anthropogenic emissions are simply no longer the dominate variable, rendering much of this analysis academic.

Testing this pulse response with known anthropogenic emissions from 1750 to 2005 against measured CO2 concentration increases shows an underestimation of approximately 15ppm – this Hansen ascribes to deforestation and soil disturbance.

Scenarios

Four scenarios are modelled based on realistic reserves, the CO2 pulse response and varying exploitation responses.
In the BAU scenario peak oil emission occurs in 2016, peak gas in 2026, and peak coal in 2077. Coal Phase-out moves peak coal up to 2022. Fast Oil Use causes peak oil to be delayed until 2037, but oil use then crashes rapidly. Reduced Oil Reserves results in peak oil moving from 2016 to 2010, under the assumption that usage approximates the near symmetrical shape of the classical Hubbert curve.
Coal phase out modelled thus:
Coal Phase-out, is meant to approximate a situation in which developed countries freeze their usage rate of coal by 2012 and within a decade developing countries similarly halt increase in coal use. Between 2025 and 2050 it is assumed that both developed and developing countries will linearly phase out emissions of CO2 from coal usage. Thus in Coal Phase-out we have global CO2 emissions from coal increasing 2% per year until 2012, 1%/year growth of emissions between 2013 and 2022, flat emissions from 2023-2025, and finally a linear decrease to zero CO2 emissions from coal in 2050.
The results of these scenarios are summarised in this table and detailed in the following charts:

ScenarioPeak emissionYear of peakPeak CO2 levelYear of peak
BAU14 Gt C/yr2077580 ppm2100
Coal Phase-out10 Gt C/yr2017440 ppm2050
Fast Oil Use11 Gt C/yr2025460 ppm2050
Less Oil Reserves9 Gt C/yr2022425 ppm2040
Peak fossil fuel CO2 emissions and atmospheric CO2 levels.

Projected CO2 emissions:


Fig 3. CO2 emissions: BAU


Fig 4. CO2 emissions: Coal Phase-out


Fig 5. CO2 emissions: Fast Oil Use


Fig 6. CO2 emissions: Less Oil Reserves

Projected CO2 concentrations:


Fig 7. Projected CO2 concentrations: BAU


Fig 8. Projected CO2 concentrations: Coal Phase-out


Fig 9. Projected CO2 concentrations: Fast Oil Use


Fig 10. Less Oil Reserves

Comparison with IPCC

The lower chart shows the atmospheric CO2 concentration resulting from the CO2 emissions scenarios outlined in the IPCC’s Special Report on Emissions Scenarios (SRES). The Fourth Assessment Report (2007) has updated the temperature forecasts slightly from this chart however it's the CO2 concentrations we are most concerned with here.


Fig 11. IPCC Scenarios
Source: IPCC 2001: Summary for Policymakers (.pdf)

For reference the A1F and A2 scenarios call for emissions in 2100 from fossil fuels of 30.3 GtC/yr and 28.9 GtC/yr respectively compared with 1990 emissions of 6.0 GtC/yr. The shear magnitude of fossil fuel reserves required to steadily increase emissions to approximately four times what they are now is incredible. Even the lowest A1T and B1 scenarios double 1990 emissions by 2050 before returning to a little below 1990 by the century’s end. Source: IPPC: Emissions Scenarios (.pfd).

Compare these emissions with those in Hansen's table above. Note how most of the IPCC scenarios produce CO2 concentrations far higher than even Hansen’s BAU scenario when he considers realistic fossil fuel reserves.

By comparing the two BAU scenarios we can see how Peak oil is clearly good news for climate change. Hansen's Business as usual scenario tops out at 580ppm compared to the IPCC's over 900 and rising. In fact reading back from Hansen's CO2 concentrations to the corresponding IPCC temperature change curve suggests less than 3°C.

Hansen Interview

Kate Sheppard from the environmental news and commentary website Grist have an interview with James Hansen this week. The full text can be read here: Clarion Caller: An interview with renowned climate scientist James Hansen

When asked what needs to happen in the next few years he replies:

A moratorium on coal-fired power plants and phasing those out over the next few decades. I think that's perhaps the most important thing.
On oil and gas Hansen adds:
Then we also need to conserve the liquid and gas fuel so that we can develop the next phase of the industrial revolution because we're going to have to find energy sources that don't produce CO2. In order to give us time to do that, we need to use oil and gas, which are precious fuels, as if they were precious.
Critically he's not taking about CO2 from oil and gas here - he's talking about gaining maximum utility from oil and gas, making best use of the finite resource.

Later in the interview he explains how the CO2 in oil and gas is all it takes to get to close to 450ppm adding “It's pretty clear we're going to use those fuels…”. This means we can't afford to burn much coal in a CO2 free manner. He also says:

A molecule of CO2 from coal, in a certain sense, is different from one from oil or gas, because in the case of oil and gas, it doesn't matter too much when you burn it, because a good fraction of it's going to stay there 500 years anyway. If we wait to use the coal until after we have the sequestration technology, then we could prevent that contribution."
Sequestration of CO2 from oil is likely never to be feasible but might work for coal. From a CO2 point of view it doesn’t really matter when the oil is burnt, any policy driven changes are only going to be on the order of years whereby CO2 atmospheric life is many decades, even centuries. The timescales don’t correlate.

Activism and Conclusion

Whilst in this paper Hansen limits his recommendations to a moratorium on “free CO2” (my shorthand term to represent non-sequestrated CO2) exploitation of coal and unconventional fossil fuels and establishing a price on carbon emissions I have some further observations to make. Hansen’s analysis suggests that oil and gas production is going to peak soon and as a result carbon in remaining reserves is relatively limited. Less than the IPCC scenarios assume and likely not enough to cross the “dangerous” threshold of 450ppm CO2 atmospheric concentration. It follows then, that the climate change challenge we face is not so much to reduce oil and gas demand through policy and behavioural changes – to put it bluntly – we can leave natural depletion to reduce CO2 emissions from these sources.

As we move into the post peak era, annual oil and gas combustion is determined by supply rather than demand, with increasing unsatisfied demand any achieved demand reductions will likely be absorbed elsewhere in the global economy leaving the global combustion and therefore emissions unchanged from what they would otherwise have been – the maximum that can be supplied. To suggest otherwise is to suggest that in the post peak era, policy decisions will further reduce oil supply from the geological potential.

Where mankind does have a degree of freedom to influence CO2 emissions and the resulting concentration is in the exploitation of coal and unconventional fossil fuels, these being demand rather than supply limited for the time being. Primarily this means addressing electricity as that is where the vast majority of coal is used. This brings me back to environmentalists, not just the extreme who advocate against talking about peak oil but the majority who advocate addressing oil consumption as the number one response in the name of climate change. In light of Hansen’s work I am unconvinced that policies addressing oil demand will influence the CO2 contribution from oil, the bulk of which I expect to be burnt following the envelope of Hubbert’s curve over the next few decades.

The mainstream view seems to be that aviation and driving, particularly SUVs are climate change enemies number one and two. This misconception arises from failure to consider the implication of peak oil. Whilst advocating reduced aviation and driving is a thoroughly good thing for a wide range of reasons it is not an effective response to climate change, the most serious of threats. We are not making the best use of available time, money and political capital that would be better spent on combating coal and unconventional fossil fuel exploitation.

Hansen shows us how an appreciation of realistic fossil fuel reserves is necessary to drive an effective response to climate change, this analysis is current lacking from the IPCC and from leading environmental NGOs in their lobbying of governments, leading to a less than optimal response to climate change being proposed.

Professor Kjell Aleklett

Professor Kjell Aleklett, Uppsala University physicist and president of ASPO, The Association for the Study of Peak Oil & Gas, has recently written along similar lines considering oil, gas and coal peaks in comparison to the IPCC emission scenarios and finds the reserves wanting. Full text here: Global warming exaggerated, insufficient oil, natural gas and coal
In the present climate debate, however, the amount of available fossil fuels does not appear to be an issue. The problem, as usually perceived, is that we will use excessive amounts in the years ahead. It is not even on the map that the amount of fossil fuels required in order to bring about the feared climate changes may in fact not be available.

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We do not have to discuss or doubt the established historic rise in temperature, but we have to discuss and doubt the future temperature increases that the IPCC scenarios project and the fossil resources that IPCC assumes in its prognoses.

We need a new assessment of future temperature increases based on a realistic consumption of oil, natural gas and coal.

Previously on The Oil Drum

IPCC Summary and Fossil Fuel
Peak Oil and Climate Change
Dr James Hansen: Can We Still Avoid Dangerous Human-Made Climate Change?
Greenland, or why you might care about ice physics
More Coal Equals More CO2
Climate Change and Electricity From Biomass

It's good to see someone considering the whole picture on the problems created by fossil fuel use - and the even bigger problems implicit in ending fossil fuel use.
Too often you hear that the key to reducing CO2 emisions is to rely more on natural gas - the sooner we realise that isn't an option the better. Don't hear it so much in the last 12 months.

I think a lot of people are still in denial about the extent of our reliance on coal. People are quick to demonise coal and call for coal plants to close down - not so quick to admit how totally dependant we are on it for electricity generation at the moment, rather slow to acknowledge the vast amount of work required to put a workable alternative in place.

In the context of global warming I think focusing on liquid fuel use is a distraction. It's not that relevant, except to the degree that a switch to biofuels accelerates deforestation. SUVs make easy targets, but they also represent an opportunity for an easy win - drive something smaller.

The really hard work is in finding a replacement for coal, but people still avoid admitting that nothing else comes close to it yet.

If we are to believe in things we cannot see or touch, how do we tell the true belief from the false belief?

The really hard work is in finding a replacement for coal, but people still avoid admitting that nothing else comes close to it yet.

It's because it's not true.

Uranium (and 2050 and on, thorium) fission is a direct replacement for coal-burning plants.

I said "yet".

I personally think pebble-bed reactors have a lot of potential, and I'm optimistic about fusion by the end of the century.
However I wouldn't be the first one to point out that there are problems getting fission to scale up with current technology within a useful time-frame.
And you do actually have to get the plants built in a real-world physical location, with the agreement of the local planning authorities. I don't think these are insurmountable challenges - just challenges.
I'm more sympathetic to nuclear than my comment might have indicated - my real thrust was to get across that people don't like to admit that we are dependant on coal because it has a lot of useful characteristics(technically simple, cheap, easy to build,baseload power), and it's hard to find something else to replace it.
Yes it has some horrible side effects. But if it didn't have a lot going for it we wouldn't have become addicted to it in the first place.

My point is that the first step to kicking an addiction is to admit you are addicted. Admit that coal is filling a need, be honest about the dimensions of that need. Then look for alternatives.

If we are to believe in things we cannot see or touch, how do we tell the true belief from the false belief?

"I personally think pebble-bed reactors have a lot of potential, and I'm optimistic about fusion by the end of the century."
As am I (especially once the military gets out of research and we can concentrate on decreasing the half-life of spent fuels instead of Mt of TNT).
However, where are we going to get the helium from if we are past peak NG? Especially if we don't develop Thorium reactors (i.e. really good technology for making alpha particle streams).
Waste is still quite a problem for HTGRs, as the pebbles need some pretty harsh treatment (similar to MOX rods, as I understand it) to be able to be put into Synrock.

I'm optimistic about fusion by the end of the century.

Please look at IEC fusion, whose lead researcher is Dr. Robert Bussrad, we may know by the end of this decade if he has as reactor design @ proof of concept.

http://www.emc2fusion.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiHsSAS_SQw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBfsq80EgOs
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/12/171119/055
http://www.askmar.com/ConferenceNotes/2006-9%20IAC%20Paper.pdf

Intriguingly, though, the current designs of nuclear power plants relies on massive quantities of cooling water (as to a lesser extent do coal fired plants).

This means in areas where drought is increasingly realistic, meaning it is being experienced now, and with models suggesting such conditions remain likely into the future, an existing nuclear plant in southern Europe or Australia is unlikely to be very useful.

And this should not be equated with the environmental concerns (heating rivers leading to fish die off, for example) which prompted nuclear plants to throttle back in Europe during several 'extreme' summers - in the concrete case of both southern Europe and Australia, the physical quantity of water is insufficient.

Don't count on the world's current investment in nuclear power plants to be as useful as expected. And as for building more of the same - let's just say there is a lot of interest in ensuring profit streams for a number of very well connected large companies, and intelligent debate is not very likely.

Of course, we can discuss other designs and ways to generate electricity using fission - unfortunately, this is a discussion roughly on par with powersats - technically feasible, finacially achievable, and not available today. And very unlikely to be available in a decade either.

If water is an issue, secondary coolant condensers are a very easy solution for new plants. Dump the heat into the air or, better, into a community hot water loop.

Proper thermal management of our lifestyles is a relatively easy step in cutting back home energy use to a small fraction of what it currently is. There are a thousand things you can do to a home, but also things you can do to the cement plant on the other end of town.

We waste FAR too much fuel generating updrafts.

In Australia the problem is trivially easy to address. Most of the power requirements are on the coasts, which is where ample supplies of cooling water happen to be. People love to invent doomish problems it seems.

I agree, when reality sets in, the NIMBY attitude will evaporate, methinks. Also, HGTRs would be really useful in Australia for desalination (hey, we could even pump it inland to wash away the last few inches of topsoil!)

Trivial? The "coastal location" is not decisive. What matters is if power plants are cooled by water from rivers (affected by global warming - more evaporation and less rain) or by sea water. In New South Wales, coal fired power plants (12,000 MW) are cooled as follows

20% from Cox River
40% from Hunter River
40% from sea water

"The water shortage across eastern Australia is now so acute it has begun to affect power supplies, and the country is at risk of electricity shortages next year."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/power-cuts-bigger-bills-on-the-wa...

Duh.

This has little bearing on future siting of australian nuclear power plants.

Hi Expat,

Would you mind commenting on the Candu re heat dispersal?

CANDU plants (such as the Darlington station near Toronto, Ontario) use a discharge-diffuser system that limits the thermal effects in the environment to within natural variations.

I imagine there are other systems and solutions and even some positive uses for non-utilized heat production. I wouldn't mind living near a plant if I could use some of that heat to grow a rutabaga or two in winter.:-)

If we begin with the premise that we shall not exceed 450ppm co2, we need to construct a trajectory that keeps that from happening.

We need a moratorium on new coal plants and a phase out of exising ones. Combined with serious conservation, we take care of the deficit for awhile with solar, wind, and some biofuels. If nuclear is excluded, the real challenge is how do we maintain the minimum necessary baseload to backstop the intermittent renewable.

Yes, there is drought, but does that mean nuclear is not an option everywhere. Will the whole world be in drought? I don't think so but would like to see some projections

Further, if we can fall back on sequestered coal, are there water issues there, too.

Honestly, is it all just hopeless?

No, it is not hopeless. Once people understand the seriousness of the situation and the viable options, nuclear will not be excluded. It will become the world's primary energy source. Today's objections to nuclear do not have strong factual foundations. Once the crisis hits, society will make the tradeoffs in favor of preserving civilization.

It may be a bit late by then. It takes 10 years from the inception until a nuclear powerplant produces electricity. By the time we truly feel the crisis, we'll be so for into the slope that we won't be able to get our act together any longer.

That's old, non crisis, thinking. That assumes all the opponents can tie up the permitting for years and delay the construction. Using standard designs, I have heard that they could build the plants and go into operation in about three years. If we could break through all the nimby and obstructionist objections in permitting, that should not take more than a few years. We could build a lot of plants in 10-20 years if we gave it the urgency and resources of a world war. Just look at the hundreds of billions, soon to be trillions, the US has wasted on Iraq and that was not important for its national security. If the French can do it so can the US.

If China is complete one coal plant every week, can't we finish one nuclear plant every month?

Large scale coal generators also require major infrastructure as well---especially the titanic trains coming in with the astonishing quantities of coal, and the trains going out to dump the fly ash waste into non-sequestered unsound 'storage' as pounds of crap with infinite half-lives.

And yet---when there's motivation they get done.

I'm also pro-wind as well. But we need to be realistic about the import of the laws of physics and geophysical facts, with oil, gas, coal, wind, biofuels and nuclear.

Of them all, so far nuclear and wind seem to have the least bad downsides by basic physics, and some modest (wind) to major (nuclear) potential.

Apparently we would need about 10,000 reactors (about 20 times what we have now) to supply the equivalent of the world's total current energy consumption, a large but not unimaginable number. We could take a generation or two to build them. The world could survive with a lot less than the current level of energy consumption and still avoid a catastrophic die-off that would wreck the world.

These reactors would power the current electrical grid but also most transportation and the chemical/fertilizer industry using the remaining low grade hydrocarbon feed stocks. It would take a monumental construction task but does not seem out of the realm of possibility, if the world put in a World War II level effort for 20 years.

Wherefore the popularity of defeatism? We have no reason to suspect that it will be 'too late,' whatever that means.

Unless you really are trying to start yet another death cult.

To build a nuclear power plant you need two things: Time and Uranium. We don't have too much time. A Nuclear Boom would be required. Do you see that coming? I don't. And to have Uranium you have to dig for it. Check out the Uranium production graph for the past years and tell me in the face that Uranium is an alternative, when it is facing a clear bottleneck in production.

Another point on nuclear, as global construction slowed dramatically after Chernobyl and the collapse of USSR we are approaching "peak nuclear decommission rate" as the existing fleet reaches end of life. We'll be doing well (from a nuclear generating point of view) just to hold global generation flat over the next 10-20 years in the face of this decommission.

"A Nuclear Boom would be required. Do you see that coming? I don't."

If you do not see it, then perhaps you are not taking the crisis seriously. No, it is not happening RIGHT NOW, although there are about 30 applications now in the works in the US after not completing any plants since the 70s. Right now the world is in denial. But when it finally becomes inescapable, people will look at the real options and do what they can to save their lives. Sure, we will build wind and solar as fast as we can. But, our main hope is fission.

I think mankind will rise to the occasion. This is what the start of a boom looks like. Peoples' minds are being changed.

There may well be a financial "boom" for those making their money in the nuclear industry... the rest of the world - we shall see...

"You can never solve a problem on the level on which it was created."
Albert Einstein

Uranium is an alternative.

It is absolutely nothing like peak oil. The equivalent in petroleum would have been as if all oil exploration had been shut down for 30 years, and oil production heavily curtailed (all from the four or five known in place oil fields), with the bulk of oil consumption satisfied for years from surplus military strategic reserves.

The uranium industry is but a gnat compared to the oil industry---and if just a fraction of the capital invested in oil would go to uranium (which it will under energy conversion scenarios) the amount of available uranium would be far higher.

There's a bottleneck now for the next 2-7 years. After that, it's only a matter of capital put in.

There is quite recently (3 years) an enormous explosion in uranium exploration and mining. This is real and on-the ground already.

Uranium is not rare, unlike petroleum. And we are using the most uranium-inefficient fuel cycle now because uranium is still so cheap.

The global uranium reserves correspond only to 10 years of the actual power extracted from oil. Uranium is not less rare than oil.
Breeder reactors pose a number of problems that are not yet solved. Letting thousands of tons of plutonium travelling around the world is simply unthinkable, and U-Th process is far from being mastered. Furthermore, there is a maximal rate at which you can construct breeder reactors because you need first to generate fuel, which does not exist in the nature; there simply no way of replacing the decline of oil in real time, not to speak of the very different use (power generation vs transportation).

Hello. A few points on the subject:

1. I understand the choice of IPCC of not mixing the subjects of Peak Oil and Climate Change. Politically speaking, Peak Oil is still Taboo and if you want politics on your side, you better hang on to what is politically correct than to cling on increasing numbers of Taboos. Is it the right thing to do? Probably not, and History will teach them that, but it is understandable. It's called pragmatism.

2. Hansen is too much optimistic about the future of CO2 emissions, like his sentence suggests: as long as coal and unconventional fossil fuels are used responsibly. This is the main issue. The moment this planet understands that oil is in scarcity, it will start to burn coal to produce oil. Perhaps not in the US, but I bet China will do it. Environmental questions will be put on the shelves as people think that to mantain global economic from meltdown is more important than the planet they are living within. And those who think that a few US laws will forbid it, I say that "brown revolution" will begin / continue in the third world countries and USA will have no choice if they want to keep up.

3. Coal "Phase Out"? You must be joking. We are within Peak Oil in few years time. People here in TOD are talking about the time when TSHTF, prospects of Blackouts are one of those nightmares of it, and Hansen calls for coal "phase out"? He's dreaming. Or perhaps making an "Earth Sim" for himself. He's not talking about the real world, where nations battle economically (and warfarily) with each other, where magnats fight for power control, and where population won't understand why are there so many blackouts if there is so many coal that it isn't being used for "environmentalists concern".

4. The really hard work is in finding a replacement for coal, but people still avoid admitting that nothing else comes close to it yet.

Alright, we're talking now. But it is not a question of "hard work". It is a question of existence. It doesn't exist, period. Any renewables are still far off in the future before reaching today's coal levels, ignoring any "growth" people would like to witness. What's left? Uranium? We have 40 years of it. We DON'T have a choice.

Unless perhaps we shut the lights out and phase out... the entire economy.

5.In the context of global warming I think focusing on liquid fuel use is a distraction.

No it isn't. I couldn't disagree more. It is devious, but as you said, PO and GW are closely related. Well, if you can't switch your oil-based economy to something sustainable in a short time, you will need a heavy substitute for it. And, like I've said and you've said, only Coal is up to the task. So they are damn right in fighting oil "addiction" for these two reasons:

- avoid the most dangerous consequences of Peak Oil;

- start mitigating an entire oil economy so that the switch to another kind of economy doesn't ask for too much Coal.

My two cents. And I'm no expert.

The moment this planet understands that oil is in scarcity, it will start to burn coal to produce oil. Perhaps not in the US, but I bet China will do it.

They will both do it, maybe USA will lag a little because of public opposition, but shortages will end this one very quickly. The absence of this point - the substitution of oil with coal is a yelling weakness of the report. It is simply assuming that after oil is gone people will stop driving and flying... what a shame - given the otherwise high level of the analysis.

What's left? Uranium? We have 40 years of it.

You need to check your numbers. Try 1 trillion tonnes divided by 65,000 (the current consumption) or even 650,000 if we increase it tenfold. Should be enough for million years or so. Uranium is not a fossil fuel and we have orders of manitude more from it (as energy content) than from FFs which are of biotic origin. Developing it is just a question of time - and will inevitably happen IF there is the political will to go nuclear. It's simply a matter of choice, political will and a hard work - that is if we still have a choice with respect to Global Warming.

Because of scarcity, the price of fossil fuels will grow much faster than the cost of producing them. Thus, the oil companies will have lots of cash on hand that they may be willing to invest in carbon capture technology.

Burning coal with carbon capture to produce electricity is a pretty decent proposition. Liquifying coal with carbon capture is not such a good idea (because we'll produce more CO2 later in burning the oil), but it's certainly better than without carbon capture. Burning coal without carbon capture is a recipe for disaster.

Carbon capture is the perfect boondoggle technology. There is NOT A SINGLE power plant that demonstrates it on industrial scale. And yet we hear about "clean coal" and "carbon capture" as nothing less than the solution to our climate change threat... the same way we have listening for hydrogen for decades. At the same time there are hundreds of coal power plants on the drawing boards, and NONE of them features carbon capture, nor intends to. And of course there are thousands more that are already operational for which carbon capture will never be applied to for obvious reasons. In short for the foreseeble future it is entirely fictional idea. I'd rather place my bets on fusion than it.

Is it? Look at the following Wikipedia article. In my view, it is realistic to expect larger numbers of coal firing plants with carbon capture technology to come on-line sometime after 2020. It probably won't happen without regulation by law, but it is both technically and economically feasible.

Hello Levink

You need to check your numbers. Try 1 trillion tonnes divided by 65,000

Well then, I suggest we both check our numbers. To produce enough nuclear power to equal the power we currently get from fossil fuels, you would have to build 10,000 of the largest possible nuclear power plants. That's a huge, probably nonviable initiative, and at that burn rate, our known reserves of uranium would last only for 10 or 20 years.

For a wide picture of this, check this out.

The truth is, 650,000 tonnes is nothing compared to what we generally spend in power. So that spoils the nuclear "silver bullet".

1 trillion tons divided by (10000 gw reactors * 200 tons each) is 500000 years. This is for once through cycles with light water reactors alone.

With molten salt breeder regimes its 120 trillion tons (we can use much lower ore grades) used at 1 ton per gw year. That should last some 12 billion years.

Try again.

There's something pretty wacky going on when one person can say we've 40 years left and another 12 billion years. How can we develop this argument, terms of reference?

Theres not much point. They're filled with absolute strait lies.

Its 40 years from mines currently open,

Several hundred years from anticipated reserves at current prices at constant demand through the once through cycle.

Several thousand years at constant demand with reasonable price limits from speculative reserves with the once through cycle.

500000 thousand years from ore bodies of 20ppm up in the once through cycle... but at prices that are rather too high to be directly competitive, so fuel stretching from reprocessing and extra enrichment are required. This actually multiplies the resource base by 4-8 times....

Now of course breeder reactor regimes become reasonable to pursue in this price regime since we have to do reprocessing anyways. This multiplies the resource base by some 100 on fuel efficiency over LWR cycles and opens up all ore bodies of uranium and thorium, which multiplies the resource base by 120, for a total multiplication of 120000.

Now if you assume growth, it has to stop at maximum radiative capacity of the earth, somewhere around the level of the solar flux. If you burn the nuclear fuel as fast as possible our 120 trillion tons will only last some 16 million years.

The bottom line is we wont run out of nuclear fuel.