DrumBeat: November 20, 2007


Senior Adnoc official urges efficient use of hydrocarbon resources

"The Middle East is currently recording some of the fastest-growing energy consumption rates in the world and, increasingly, we need to think like consumers as much as producers. Put simply, domestic consumption of oil and gas is absorbing an increasing proportion of our production.

"By developing renewable energy resources side by side with hydrocarbons, Arabian Gulf countries will be able to diversify their sources of energy. Likewise, we must examine ways of curbing consumption growth by focusing on energy efficiency. Oil is simply too precious a commodity to waste," Al Muhairi added.

Jim Rodgers on CNBC (video)

Now more than ever is the time to sell the dollar, says Jim Rogers, chairman of Beeland Interests.


Oil makes fresh run at $100, hits record high

Oil prices rose sharply Tuesday, closing at a new record high and once again approaching $100 a barrel, as futures drew strength from a declining dollar, news of refinery problems and speculation that the Federal Reserve will again cut interest rates next month.

Light, sweet crude for January delivery surged $3.21 to settle at $98.03 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing the previous closing record of $96.70 set Nov. 6. Crude rose as high as $98.30 earlier, just 32 cents shy of oil's all time trading high of $98.62, set Nov. 7.


As dollar weakens, Gulf nations look at currency pegs

When central bank officials in the Middle East say they have no plans to end their fixed exchange rates to the dollar, the currency market hears the opposite.

Merrill Lynch predicts that either the United Arab Emirates or Qatar will cut their dollar peg within six months. Standard Chartered says the six Gulf Cooperation Council nations need to raise the value of their currencies 20 percent. And currency traders are betting that Saudi Arabia will sever its 21-year link to the dollar, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.


Is oil's profit gush ending?

Are record oil profits at an end? Maybe. Although revenues are still rising thanks to record crude prices - FYI, oil's inflation-adjusted record high was $101 in 1980 - profits are down. Earnings for Exxon Mobil, ConocoPhillips, and BP are all lower through the first three quarters of this year vs. last year.


Houston Channel May Reopen to Tankers This Morning

The Houston Ship Channel, which serves the largest U.S. petroleum port, may reopen to inbound oil tankers and other vessels this morning after being closed more than 31 hours because of fog.

Forty-four inbound and 18 departing vessels remain idled, T.J. Nelson, spokesman for the Houston Pilots Organization, said today in a telephone interview. When the channel reopens, he said, five inbound tankers will be brought in first. One of those ships is carrying liquefied natural gas.


Nigeria seeks domestic oil control

For decades, Nigerian governments were content to let international oil companies do the pumping, merely taking taxes, royalties and a cut of profits.

Now with global oil prices surging near $100 a barrel, Africa's leading oil exporter wants to review agreements allowing oil companies to recoup their costs before sharing profits from deep water exploration, and consolidate all its joint venture oil assets into one potentially powerful company with a global reach.


Gas guzzlers get new lives -- as tire-smoking hybrids

On a beautiful, crisp late fall afternoon, rock icon Neil Young took his 1959 Lincoln Continental for one last spin before a team of mechanics ripped out its gas-guzzling engine to make way for an electric motor.

Car buffs may think it's sacrilege to tear apart an automotive classic, but Young wants it to have a new life as a fuel-efficient hybrid.


Beyond the Barrel: From Warming to Peaking, Reasons to Use Less Oil

Two days after the IPCC report, the front page of the Wall Street Journal says the idea that the current 85 million barrels a day of oil that the world produces is about as much as it ever will be able to produce has moved well beyond the so-called peak oil theorists. Citing top executives of France's Total and ConocoPhillips, as well as a former Saudi oil chief, the Journal says, "Some predict that, despite the world's fast-growing thirst for oil, producers could hit that ceiling as soon as 2012. This rough limit — which two senior industry officials recently pegged at about 100 million barrels a day—is well short of global demand projections over the next few decades."

What better day for the peakers, who have been sounding alarms long before the Wall Street Journal, to post their latest analyses? On the Oil Drum, they try to discern not if worldwide oil production is peaking but how quick the decline rate is.


Farm Diesel in Short Supply Around Sioux Falls Area

Mel Norhdurft had plenty of work to do Monday, and not under the hood of his tractor. He's been farming around here since 1956 and knows there won't be many nice days like this to fertilizes before the ground freezes. But it's tough to get in the field if you can't fill up the tank. "I've been farming for all these years, this is the first time I've had trouble getting diesel."

By this afternoon, Mel was able to get his hands on some diesel and fill up the tractor, but then getting ahold of anhydrous ammonia to put on the fields was a whole other issue." His supplier, across the boarder in iowa was out, but expected a shipment by late afternoon. "I didn't know there was a shortage. I didn't know anything about it until this morning when I called the supplier. He said this none here, I can't get any."


Increased Domestic Production Won't Make US Self-sufficient In Natural Gas

A new report by the Energy Forum at Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy finds that the United States will continue to rely on imported natural gas even if areas that are currently restricted are opened up to drilling.


Russia: Skyrocketing Fuel Prices Drive Up Airfare

The price of airplane fuel has risen 30 percent in Russia in the last month to nearly $1000 per ton. That will drive up the fuel expenses for the 15 largest Russian airlines by at least 10 billion rubles per year. Fueling companies say that the cause of the price rise is higher prices for the fuel when it comes from oil companies, although others say that oil companies have redirected their resources toward the more profitable diesel fuel, leaving a shortage on the aircraft kerosene market.


Malawi diesel shortage hits airport

Increasing fuel shortages in Malawi rendered an ugly head at Kamuzu International Airport (KIA) at the weekend, as standby power generators could not switch on to power during a blackout due to unavailability of diesel, forcing an airline to cancel its flight.


Pennsylvania: Continental to cut flights temporarily

The cutbacks are a result of high jet-fuel prices and a shortage of flight crews, said Christopher Rodgers, Erie International Airport's director of strategic development.


Nepal: Fuel Dealers, Cops Discuss Petrol Pump Security

Keeping in mind the continuing shortage of petroleum products in the Kathmandu valley, possibility of attacks on petrol pumps and other criminal activities, representatives of the Petroleum Dealers' Association (PDA) and the Metropolitan Police on Monday discussed ways to beef up security around the pumps.


South Korea Abandons Talks for China Coal Supplies

South Korean utilities abandoned talks to buy coal from China this year after failing to agree on prices, said three officials involved in the discussions.


Commodities Roundup: Crude Oil

Crude Oil, however, is a different animal. With billions of new dollars pouring into commodities each year, commodity and hedge funds need a place to put it. Funds tend to be trend followers and they tend to favor the long side of the market (commodity index funds are always long the market). Thus, a solid uptrend with a good fundamental demand story and massive open interest makes a perfect market for funds to “place” equity. Any bullish tidbit of news becomes an excuse to buy. This is why oil markets have been hypersensitive to any type of bullish news story in recent weeks. These waves of capital flowing into energy markets create more buyers than sellers. If oil producers were eager to lock in profits at these levels, hedge selling would have curbed price gains weeks or even months ago. But at this point, producers seem content to let prices go where they may.


Diaper power

AMEC, a Quebec engineering and project management company, is looking to build a facility near Montreal to turn soiled diapers into synthetic diesel fuel. It may not be up to snuff to fuel automobiles, but should be just fine for industrial applications.

AMEC says a process known as pyrolysis can convert diapers to diesel.


Hydrogen, the wave of the future, but how far down the road?

"I think in a century hydrogen could fill a role like that, but not in 20 years," Wilkins told AFP, adding that the Bush administration was no longer as vocal about the plan as it used to be.

"To produce it like the gasoline scale, to get it in the vehicle fleet, fully integrated in the vehicle fleet and the infrastructure the fueling, stations ... it will take one century," he said.


Four Ways to Solve the Energy Crisis - Which also happen to be four reasons why Gal Luft is the most hated man in Riyadh, Detroit, and Des Moines.

We've got to reduce our dependence on foreign oil; it's a matter of homeland security. Fine. Nobody's arguing. But the solutions that get offered -- drilling in ANWR, mandating better automobile fuel efficiency, pushing ethanol -- don't really solve anything. They're politically impossible, or too expensive, or contrary to free-market forces. They're losers.

Energy-independence advocate Gal Luft looks for winners. The former lieutenant colonel in the Israel Defense Forces and counterterrorism expert fervently believes that the only way to make America safe is to make it energy independent. And so as executive director of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security and cofounder of the Set America Free Coalition, he has set out to do just that.


Cantarell and Ku Maloob Zaap production falling

Production of crude oil in Mexico's main oilfields — Cantarell and Ku Maloob Zaap, in the Gulf of Mexico Campeche Sound — is falling due to water and salt seepage into the reservoirs, official documents reveal.

According to documents of state oil firm Petroleos Mexicanos, the seepage is causing a reduction in production equivalent to 84,300 b/d of oil. Pemex said the loss of production due to water and salt dates back to 2004, and is a natural result of the maturing of these fields.


Sierra Leone fuel freeze sparks chaos as price rise seen

Filling stations halted sales in Sierra Leone on Monday in anticipation of a rise in prices, leaving taxi drivers short of fuel, public buildings without power and commuters stranded by the roadside.


Tanzania: Govt to Revive Oil Import Monopoly

Tanzania is to float an international tender for a single firm to take over the importation of all petroleum products into the country, in a bid to end price fluctuations that distort the market and hamper economic growth.


French strikes escalate, economic toll mounts - Other sectors join in rail strikes that have stalled France for the past week

French commuters have banded together in their efforts to get to work on foot, by bicycle or even roller-blades, as the economic toll from the strikes begins to mount.

The government on Monday said the transport strike is costing France at least $440 million a day.


Is coal about to make a comeback?

The vast majority of people accept that carbon dioxide from fossil fuels is warming up the Earth, but what are we actually going to do about it?

A looming energy crisis is going to test our politicians' resolve.


Four Tips to Optimize IT Energy Use

Reducing energy use clearly is about more than being environmentally responsible. To ensure their long-term viability, organizations must begin now to find and implement solutions that help decrease power consumption.


We'll fight you all the way, airlines warn EU over carbon-trading plans

British and other European governments face a long diplomatic battle if they push ahead with plans to include airlines in a European emissions trading scheme, the global aviation body has warned.

The International Air Transport Association (Iata) said 170 countries opposed a proposal, approved last week by MEPs, to make all airlines flying in and out of the European Union subscribe to the EU emissions trading scheme. Non-EU airlines are lobbying their governments to reject the move, arguing that it will impose billions in extra costs on an industry that makes a global profit of just $5.6bn (£2.7bn).


Curtis Bay Coast Guard Yard renovates America’s Tall Ship

Mr. Raisch said he fell in love with tall ships such as the Eagle some three decades ago. “Being an old guy,” he said with a laugh, “I remember the energy crisis from the early 1970s and when people started looking at other means of traveling around the water.”

With all the emphasis on green living today, Mr. Raisch hopes to see a renaissance of “the age of sail.”


Peak Opportunities - an oil industry insider (whose dad hung out with Hubbert!) blogs about peak oil

● The peak in oil production might have occurred in late 2005, and most in this group believe it will certainly happen prior to 2011 - 2012. If it hasn't occurred, my bet would be 2008, as I have believed since 2001 or so.

● It sure looks like Saudi has produced about half of its recoverable oil, meaning it is at or near peak, in turn meaning the world is at or near peak.


Connecticut: Peak Oil Report to the Legislature and Governor (PDF)

Global oil production appears to have stagnated and may soon be headed toward terminal decline. International demand is increasing at a compounding rate yearly. Escalating oil cost is evident and supply shortage and disruption have occurred both in the US and internationally. Rising cost for oil has and will continue to affect every product, every citizen, every business and every function of Government. Contraction in the state’s economy is likely at current and possible higher oil prices. The state is unprepared for this permanent shift in the international energy regimes. Our society has only once ever faced a contraction of affordable and plentiful oil—during World War II. – Today we have no simple model to remedy the rising situation. There is no short-term fix.


Experiencing the Earth's glories and stings, all in 1 ride

The town of Blacksburg, in conjunction with Virginia Tech, was organizing a Sustainability Week. I had offered to present a lecture about the threat of peak oil, the point where the world's wells can no longer keep pace with our insatiable demand and go into permanent decline.

After being repeatedly told I would provide a valuable addition to the mix of viewpoints, I had been informed there was no slot available for me. My friend Dave Roper attended the meeting where this was decided. His e-mail said, "The feeling was that we are trying to get people to do what they can do to reduce global warming and that the peak oil truth might discourage them from trying."


Death Toll From Aramco Pipeline Blast Jumps to 38

The death toll from Sunday’s natural gas pipeline explosion in the Eastern Province rose to 38 as a special technical panel set up by Saudi Aramco continued its probe yesterday to determine the reason for the blast and the subsequent fire, informed sources said.


Saudi Oil Min: Saudi Gas Line Explosion Won't Hit Oil Output

A gas pipeline blast in eastern Saudi Arabia that killed 28 workers won't affect oil production, Saudi Arabia Oil Minister Ali Naimi said Sunday.


Burning Well to Keep Louisiana Highway Closed

A 55-mile stretch of Interstate 10 likely will be closed until at least Wednesday because of a natural gas well that leaked and caught fire, state police said.


Oil prices close in on 96 dollars

World oil prices rose strongly Tuesday, nearing 96 dollars a barrel on lingering supply concerns and as the US unit tumbled against major rivals.

New York's main contract, light sweet crude for January delivery, climbed 97 cents to 95.61 dollars per barrel.

In London, Brent North Sea crude for January delivery rallied 98 cents to 93.26 dollars per barrel.


US bent on capturing entire oil rich region by blaming Iran: Indian MP

USA is bent on capturing entire oil rich region of mideast by blaming the Islamic Republic of Iran on different pretexts and excuses, Member of Parliament of India, Rajya Sabha (Upper House) Captain Jay Narayan Prasad Nishad said while talking to IRNA in an exclusive interview.


Shell Canada Reports Fire at Scotford Oil-Sands Unit

Royal Dutch Shell Plc, Europe's biggest oil company, said its Canadian unit reported a fire at a plant that processes bitumen from Alberta's oil sands into synthetic crude oil.


U.S. Energy Sec: not worried by OPEC dollar debate

U.S. Energy Secretary Sam Bodman said on Tuesday the United States was not concerned about the debate within OPEC on whether it should seek an alternative to the dollar in pricing oil.

Bodman also told reporters that OPEC should increase output at its next meeting in Abu Dhabi in December.


'Cut off' Myanmar: rights group

Human Rights Watch called on Monday for the international community to halt new investment in Myanmar's oil and gas sector to punish the regime for its violent crackdown on anti-government protesters.


Global Warming: China says: Et Tu?

For example, according to The Wall Street Journal, most MP3 players are made in China. The production of each one of those slick little numbers (think of your tiny, shiny ubiquitous iPod) releases 17 pounds of carbon dioxide. As world leaders prepare to meet in Bali next month to shape the next international treaty to fight global warming (the Kyoto Protocol will expire in 2012), it seems imperative that the market forces driving pollution are also considered, not just the location of where they're produced.

Our appetite for cheap luxury and the need for high profits drive us to take advantage of cheap labor overseas, and so we can't look the other way when it comes time to face the environmental consequences that accompany financial gains.


Global Warming, Or Global Con?

A U.N. that can't save the world from war, famine, disease and pestilence now releases a report saying global warming will cause all of the above -- and it's your SUV that's doing it.

The fourth and final assessment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reads like the Bible, but gospel it is not.


Developed countries must 'show some spine' on climate change

Australia's Prime Minister John Howard has moved to play down the concerns, promising the Coalition has a balanced approach to combating global warming.

But one Australian scientist who co-authored the IPCC reports says the only balanced approach is to cut emissions now.


Scientists agree global warming is killing the world

The latest international update on climate change says global warming is turning oceans acidic and threatening marine life but offers new hope - the cost of tackling carbon emissions is modest and the means to do it are already available.


Climate change driving 'fourth tech revolution': Brown

Climate change is driving the need for a "fourth technological revolution" to cut pollution and save the planet, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Monday.


McCartney's estranged wife gets steamed up over milk

Paul McCartney's estranged wife Heather Mills Monday accused consumers of meat and dairy products of fueling global warming, as she launched a vegan campaign at London's famous Speaker's Corner.


Gore Challenged Over Warming

There were some questions following the talk, and Lindzen was asked if it wouldn't be better to sign Kyoto and follow-on agreements just to be on the safe side. Lindzen said no.

Combating a hypothetical problem would waste resources, human more than material, which could be much better devoted to other ends, such as improving public health.

But the further problem with making global warming the object of a huge and highly political international project may be that every action has an equal and opposite reaction; that when the theory is inevitably discredited and dismissed, possibly after a few bad snowstorms, the whole package of environmentalism will be discredited too, along with all the worthy parts involving the reduction of harmful pollutants and preservation of wildlife habitat.


Carbon pollution from industrialised countries rises again

Emissions of greenhouse gases by industrialised countries are surging anew after a long decline, the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) said on Tuesday ahead of a crucial forum on tackling global warming.

It blamed continued growth in Western economies and a revival of growth in former East Bloc nations, with pollution from transport the biggest culprit by sector.

I notice at least 2 articles posted here with doubts,question marks on GW.

Even as “The frightening models we didn’t even dare to talk about before are now proving to be true,” Fortier told CanWest News Service, referring to computer models that take into account the thinning of the sea ice and the warming from the albedo effect — the Earth is absorbing more energy as the sea ice melts.

According to these models, there will be no sea ice left in the summer in the Arctic Ocean somewhere between 2010 and 2015."

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=1aaab4cd-...

And the attempt to bring the WSJ into the conversation, BTW,
(Rupert Murdoch anyone?) will be a Caged Death Match here at TOD.

Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens

TOD seems to take the view that "there is only room for one global crisis in this town". As PO is TOD's crisis, it must play down the threat of global warming.

Either that or it's the Law of Universal Conservation - for every smart thing that happens something stupid happens to compensate. TOD is very smart in PO, so to compensate is stupid on GW.

Whatever the reason, it doesn't help credibility. Shortly Leanan will appear to explain that TOD should be "balanced".

Bob,
It is just a news story. Surely you are not saying that Leanan should filter out stories/blogs/.. that disagree with your view.

That would make her the MSM!

C.

Oops! My idle snark missed it's target and instead kicked up a hornet's nest.

I didn't mean to criticise Leanan for her tireless efforts (sorry!), I was having a tweak at the few GW "doubters" here, at least I was trying to.

No, TOD is not "balanced," nor should it be. And climate change is very much intertwined with peak oil, and is considered "on topic" both here and at peakoil.com (where they are much stricter about keeping the discussion energy-related).

However, I see the DrumBeat as a sort of survey of the MSM. Not to be "balanced," but to keep an eye on what we're up against. Consider it "Know thy enemy."

That's why I occasionally post Corsi's abiotic oil stories, the BNP's peak oil stuff, CERA, etc.

In the case of today's climate change stories, I didn't go looking for them. They popped up on a site I check every day (Yahoo's climate change page). Perhaps a sign of a backlash building? Or a sign of panic, because they're losing?

"In the case of today's climate change stories, I didn't go looking for them. They popped up on a site I check every day (Yahoo's climate change page). Perhaps a sign of a backlash building? Or a sign of panic, because they're losing?"

You've just acknowledeged censorship by the
Search engines as a matter of course.

The corollary being that they, TPTB, understand full well
what is happening, because they're going out of their
way to broadcast/censor POV's.

http://climate.weather.com/articles/neworleans112007.html

"The news was an injection of hope for Lakeview, where a canal breach after Katrina hit washed homes off their foundations and flooded the neighborhood with up to 15 feet (4.6 meters) of water.

On Friday, though, that hope was dashed when the director of a Corps-commissioned team of engineers responsible for the projections said the previous estimates were wrong, and the flood risk had been reduced just 6 inches (15 centimeters).

"The conflicting information on the flood data raised new questions about the Corps' ability to police itself.

"It's so bizarre and unreal," said Al Petrie, vice president of the Lakeview Civic Improvement Association. "The people responsible for our safety cannot even get the issues straight with the numbers they're using."

You've just acknowledeged censorship by the
Search engines as a matter of course.

Not sure what you mean by that?

I don't think it's censorship, in the sense that certain POVs are favored. Rather, they give weight to certain sites over others. Investor's Business Daily is a rightwing site, but a pretty respected one, in their capitalist wingnut way. Naturally, their stuff gets picked up.

And it's not a human doing the searching. Every once in awhile you get a story that obviously fooled the software. (An article about a new line of moisturizers, or a press release about a new antacid medication appearing on the "oil and gas" page, for example.)

Maybe you should try some scotch on your cornflakes.

I do not think that Global Warming is a priority here due to many factors. One we will naturally reduce greenhouse gasses through PO, two there is no reason to think that in short period "100 years" that we will be impacted severely by global warming however peak oil is in the nearterm. Focusing on global warming is like focusing on the man behind the curtain. Peak Oil will solve most of the Global Warming issues I think.

However I have been wrong before.

In terms of "doing something" about global warming, you may be right. Heck, it may already be too late to do anything about it.

But, IMO, it's still an important factor to consider. If Hansen is right and climate change goes nonlinear, and sea level rises 2' per decade...that will affect our infrastructure. Building light rail in New Orleans or Miami is folly in that case.

If drought means the southwest dries up, well, we better think twice about building nuclear power plants there that require water for cooling.

Even worse, if climate change means we can't grow food where we are currently growing it...that has a huge effect on both our attempts to wean ourselves off fossil fuels, and our hopes for growing biofuels.

Speaking of which, Georgia cut off water
release to Florida and Alabama.

I wonder how the nuke and coal fired plants downstream
reacted?

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Florida backed away on Friday from a temporary truce brokered by the Bush administration in a long-standing water war, aggravated by drought, among Florida, Georgia and Alabama."

"MONTGOMERY -- In a letter sent Wednesday to the governors of Alabama, Florida and Georgia, the chairman and president of the Atlanta-based Southern Company confirms that the current flow of water in the Chattahoochee River is the minimum needed for the Farley Nuclear Plant in Alabama to operate, and that any reduction in flow could impact plant operations.

That’s the same argument Alabama Governor Bob Riley has been making as he tries to stop an effort by Georgia’s political leaders to take control of water releases from Lake Lanier to communities and areas downstream -- including the Farley Nuclear Plant in Houston County, Alabama."

Again. I think folks here are being lulled into
the 2050 and later scenario when Atlanta's
5 million are under the gun now and they're #5
on the list of water dearth areas.

CA's 4 cities are higher.

Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens

CNN had a story about that. The oyster fishermen down in Florida were pretty ticked off. The higher salt levels (due to the drop in fresh water) were killing off cattails. The oysters were okay, but the higher salt levels meant marine predators were coming in to prey on them. They fear it will mean the end of their way of life.

You think maybe people are beginning to get hints that it is all interconnected? Simple concept, as articulated by a humble shepherd.

LAW 1 - Everything is Connected to Everything Else

“When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the universe.” — John Muir

from Commoner's Laws of Ecology

Everything is connected to everything else.

Everything has to go somewhere or there is no such place as away.

Everything is always changing.

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Everything has limits.

http://www.umaine.edu/umext/earthconnections/earth/chapter3.htm

Don't blame me; I voted for Barry in '80

Rat

You think maybe people are beginning to get hints that it is all interconnected?

Nope. Not a chance.

It's clear that Peak Oil and Global Warming are intimately connected. For example, the models that have been used to study future climate change were based on emission scenarios dating from 1992. IPCC TAR (2000) used the IPCC Special Report on Emission Scenarios from 1992, long before there was anything like an awareness of Peak Oil. For the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), the same emissions scenarios are used, but there is a note in the Technical Summary which says:

This Working Group I assessment does not evaluate the plausibility or likelihood of any specific emission scenario.

One conclusion from all of this is that after Peak Oil becomes obvious, there will likely be great pressure from all directions to supply present (or increasing) amounts of energy by greatly increasing the use of coal. Without any attempt to sequester the CO2 produced by burning/converting the coal to meet our energy needs, the rate of emissions of CO2 may actually turn out to be GREATER than that of the IPCC scenarios. Thus, the GW problems may arrive sooner than the model projections presented in the AR4. Then too, it's already looking like the IPCC projections are too optimistic, as the decline of Arctic sea-ice is happening considerably faster than the models have suggested.

Most people, I think, would just keep partying on, assuming they don't live in a flood zone and still have enough income to pay for what they need, until there is either no liquid fuel or no food. But that may be an optimistic scenario, as it assumes no WW III nuclear meltdown of the Earth's major cities. When things get down to serious demand destruction, I'm afraid that killing lots of people may become the preferred option for TPTB. We know they've done it before...

E. Swanson

Then too, it's already looking like the IPCC projections are too optimistic, as the decline of Arctic sea-ice is happening considerably faster than the models have suggested.

That might be true in the short run but according to Dave Rutledge at CalTech (Hubbert's Peak, The Coal Question, and Climate Change) previously posted on TOD, none of the IPCC scenarios adequately takes account of expected fossil fuels resource declines. "Our projection has lower emissions than any of the 40 IPCC scenarios" and stays below the critical 500 ppm threshhold. They attribute less than 1 degree future warming to burning the remaining fossil fuels. I think it is a pretty credible analysis.

Thanks for the link to an interesting paper. I notice that they show the IPCC emissions for carbon and that perhaps 10 of the 40 scenarios peaking at slightly above or at present carbon levels around 2050 and decline to a level at or less than present emissions (slide 3). It would be difficult for one to argue with these scenarios if a business as usual scenario were possible, but we think Peak Oil is here, so what happens were there to be a big switch to coal? Wouldn't the emissions rate go up rather sharply before 2050? Just a guess on my part, having no data.

Also, the comment you give about the impact being less that that of double CO2 does not include what happens as natural gas is included. Burning CH4 results in CO2 emissions, which the authors ignore in their blanket statement of ultimate CO2 levels. And, as warming progresses, it is expected that more emissions of methane would result from the thermal decomposition of clathrates in permafrost. While methane is a strong greenhouse, it eventually degrades to CO2, adding to the long term buildup. Furthermore, the releases of other industrial greenhouse gases isn't mentioned, thus the warming could well exceed that of the equivalent of a doubling of the preindustrial CO2 level.

E. Swanson

what happens were there to be a big switch to coal?

Rutledge looks at actual coal production trends (HL) and determines that there are only 1.6 tboe (trillion barrels of oil equivalent) of coal left (page 34 in Rutledge's presentation). That's only a little more than the 1.2 tboe of oil that is believed to be left. Therefore it is not possible to have a big switch to coal. The UN IPCC scenarios assume there are 18 tboe of coal left (a factor of 11.25 times as much).

what happens as natural gas is included?

I am pretty sure natural gas has been included. Total hydrocarbons left are only 4.7 tboe and the point of 50% consumption will be reached in 2022 (page 35), or only 15 years from now, not 2050 or 43 years from now of the lower of the IPCC scenarios. That's why Rutledge's projection is significantly lower than ANY of the IPCC models (see page 40).

I think his analysis is the most credible that I have seen. It suggests that there is almost nothing that we could conceivable sell politically that could have us reducing emissions any faster than we will have to because the resources are just not there. The only possible exception is in coal. There we could do better by the one alternate source that really displaces coal in the current power grid. That source, of course, is nuclear power.

A "big switch to coal" may be a big ask.

Earlier this year the queue of coal ships waiting to load off Newcastle reached 70 - the port infrastructure simply wasn't there to handle the demand. And bulk carriers themselves are in high demand, with shipping rates going through the roof.
The lag time to build the port and shipping infrastructure to ship millions of BOE per day of coal would be years or decades. If you are going to ship by rail, the situation is even worse.
You are suggesting that we duplicate the enormous infrastructure that has been built up to ship oil, basically building something on the same scale to ship oil instead.
1 tonne of coal is roughly equivalent to 5 barrels of oil. So to replace 10 million barrels per day of oil, you need to ship 2 million tonnes of coal per day. If one ship can handle 20,000 tonnes, then you need 1000 ships for one day's requirement. If you have a 6 week turn around time on a voyage, you'll need 42,000 bulk carriers. And the port capacity to unload 1000 ships per day at each end.

Does this sound like something that could be built over a ten year period?

Bear in mind that the total seaborne coal trade is currently about 200 million tonnes per year. How long do you think it would take to ramp up to 900 million tonnes per year? ( the addition of coal equal to 10 million barrels per day of oil).

Don't forget you also have to build power plants or CTL plants to use this coal. Which will use lots of steel and concrete, for which you will need more coal...

By the way, a CTL plant that can produce 20,000 barrels of oil per day is estimate to cost $1 billion to build.
So to replace 10 million barrels of oil per day, you need 500 plants at a cost of $500 billion. Probably a trillion dollars when you factor in the cost over-runs and material shortages.

So the idea that a decline in oil supplies will lead to a rapid increase in coal use is a fantasy.
It will lead to a rapid increase in demand for coal energy. But building the infrastructure to supply that demand is another matter.

My point? You have to dig it up before you can burn it.
The Chinese will likely tap into all the "easy coal" in the next few years - after that bottlenecks will restrict growth in carbon emissions from coal, and once oil depletion really sets in emissions are likely to be flat.

Of course if some idiot burns down all the forests to plant biofuels we'll still be screwed...

If we are to believe in things we cannot see or touch, how do we tell the true belief from the false belief?

Correct. Notice the coal mine disasters?

We've never dug deeper or used more energy to pull up less.

Peak Everything.

The UK is decommissioning nukes as fast as possible.

And we've exceeded 450 ppm already.

Man the lifeboats.

Arkansaw of Samuel L Clemens

A "big switch to coal" may be a big ask.

Too bad you did not read my post. What I said was that a big switch to coal is not possible because the coal does not exist. Read my post and look at the presentation. The conclusions Rutledge points to are very interesting and astounding.

Of course I read your post. My comments were supporting your comments.

Come in from the cold and have a cup of tea, soldier.

If we are to believe in things we cannot see or touch, how do we tell the true belief from the false belief?

I'm on the fence about this. A lot of the "peak coal" claims are based on the current market, where some fairly accessible coal is undesirable because it's too dirty. The environmental rules will be the first thing tossed overboard when TSHTF.

It's true that infrastructure will be expensive in the post-carbon age - more expensive than most realize. For that reason, I don't think there will be CTL to run our cars. But there may be a lot of peasants with pickaxes burning dirty coal for heat and cooking.

One might wonder how industrialization even started when there was far less infrastructure, knowledge, and energy was far more expensive than it is today...

No, it wasn't. The low-hanging fruit is picked first.

Hence Fred Hoyle's worry that if we get it wrong, and fail to make the jump into space, no other civilization will ever achieve our level of technology again.

A lot of the "peak coal" claims are based on the current market

Perhaps but that is not what Rutledge does. He just does good old Hubbert Linerizations on actual production and concludes that there is just a little more remaining coal than there is conventional oil. That's one eleventh of what the UN IPCC scenarios assume.

NASA climatologist James Hansen:
Implications of "peak oil" for atmospheric CO2 and climate

We are motivated by the conclusion of Hansen et al. (2007a,b) that “dangerous” climatic consequences are likely at an atmospheric CO2 level of 450 ppm and possibly at even lower levels. Thus we investigate whether the atmospheric CO2 amount can be kept to 450 ppm or less via constraints on the use of coal and unconventional fossil fuel resources

http://www.energybulletin.net/29109.html

http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.2782

I for one welcome closter bodies of water in New Mexico!

There is ocean front property in Arizona! From my front portch you can see the sea!

We prefer to go with what worked before. We've had two world wars, and zero successful attempts at long-term conservation. Which one sounds like a better gamble for those who give orders but never have to fight?

Leanan,

The words "If Hansen's right" may come to haunt us. I read something he said the other day which sounded rather ominous. He mentioned that the last time the world heated up like it's, apparently, doing now, sea levels were around 25 metres higher than they are a present! Does this mean that sea levels might possibly rise by this staggering amount over a century? Clealy this would result in substantial and multiple challanges for our civilization, to put it mildly!

This is of course a very controversial area to go into. If climate change does go nonlinear we may be in for some very nasty surprises indeed. The problem with forecasting nonlinear is that nonlinear change is so incredibly difficult to calculate and model, linear change is a piece of cake in comparison, that's why we like it, it's managable. The problem for us is that so much of the physical world doesn't follow a nice linear path, but has a disturbing tendancy to tease us by suddenly going nonlinear! This is one of nature's characteristics sent to try us.

One of the big problems with climate change is that we've been influencing the climate for around two hundred years, in a small way at first, but things have really taken off in the last fifty years or so. Even if we could magically stop our carbon emmisions today, the effects we've already induced would continue for several centuries and we're not really sure what these will be, it's doubtful they will be especially positive. This long time-scale has serious implications. For example if sea levels rise slowly, but surely over two or three hundred years. In the great scheme of things, this is still, rapid.

One of my chums, who shall remain nameless, works on the periphery of the IPCC. There's something close to a war going on inside. The Whitehouse is and has been putting intense pressure on the IPCC to water-down its findings and especially press releases. As one aide said, "What's the point in frightening people unnecessarily?". They were arguing with the Whitehouse about the use of individual words in their interim report.

Words like "imminent" "irreversable" "rapid" and lots of others. There's a group inside the IPCC that thinks things are far worse than the public statements imply, that in reality we are facing a climate emergency and we have to take action now, and they've got the numbers and observations to back up their claims, but the Whitehouse simply won't buy it, or simply doesn't get it