DrumBeat: January 30, 2008
Posted by Leanan on January 30, 2008 - 9:51am
Topic: Miscellaneous
Refiners raid European fuel market as run cuts bite
LONDON (Reuters) - Two refiners, their European plants running at reduced rates as they seek to defend their profit margins from $90 per barrel oil, lifted European fuel prices as they bid for cargoes on Tuesday, trade sources said.Interest in diesel from ConocoPhillips and gasoline from Petroplus helped cargo prices rise while prices in the Amsterdam-Rotterdam-Antwerp refining hub, which are more reflective of inland European end-user demand, declined.
The companies are among about dozen refiners worldwide who have taken more than 400,000 barrels per day of distillation capacity off line this month to restore the margin between crude prices and oil product prices, which have lagged crude's rally.
China in lockdown as weather worsens
BEIJING, China (CNN) -- China's worst winter in more than half a century showed no signs of abating Wednesday as forecasters told citizens to brace for three more days of snow and sleet."The heavy snow and sleet has paralyzed transport and coal shipments, and led to travelers cramming railways stations and airports and power supply reductions in almost half of the 31 provinces and regions on the Chinese mainland," China's Xinhua news agency reported.
Suncor, Shell oil sands output unaffected by cold
CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) - Oil sand projects operated by Suncor Energy Inc and Royal Dutch Shell are running normally despite a bitter cold snap in northern Alberta that forced Syncrude Canada Ltd to suspend production at its 350,000 barrel per day project.Suncor and Shell both said that their oil sands mining projects near Fort McMurray, Alberta, were producing at normal rates. Suncor's output is about 260,000 bpd, while Shell has a capacity of 155,000 bpd.
Europe thinks alternatively in quest to go 'green'
LONDON — Europeans are experimenting with alternative, eco-friendly sources of energy that are, well, quite alternative.Businesses and individuals are trying ways large, small and controversial to wean the Continent off expensive oil, gas and coal — and to combat climate change.
OPEC Meeting: No change seen in oil production quotas Friday but later cut likely
LONDON (Thomson Financial) - OPEC is set to leave its production quotas unchanged this Friday but the likelihood of a cut at its next scheduled meeting in March is growing as the prospect of a global economic slowdown looms.OPEC ministers have begun to arrive in Vienna ahead of the cartel's specially convened meeting this week in an attempt to pacify consumers worried that tight supply was pushing prices too high.
However, oil ministers from OPEC member states Ecuador, Nigeria and Qatar have already indicated that they see no change to output at this week's meeting, although the cartel's largest producer and de facto leader Saudi Arabia has yet to comment.
Monbiot: Population growth is a threat. But it pales against the greed of the rich
It's easy to blame the poor for growing pressure on the world's resources. But still the wealthy west takes the lion's share.
Stratfor: Iraq's oil offensive
The Iraqi government cut off oil exports to South Korean energy firm SK Energy on January 1, and will deny the company oil for all of 2008 unless it backs out of its deal with the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) by January 31, Reuters reported today (January 28), citing Iraqi Oil Ministry sources.The move represents an important development in the ongoing dispute between the KRG and the Shiite-dominated central government in Baghdad over control of Iraq’s oil resources.
Why Cape Breton shakes in the echo of this distant boom
NEW WATERFORD, N.S. — When Frankie Morrison wanted to remodel his kitchen, he didn't take out a loan, or dip into his retirement savings. Instead, the 53-year-old father of three followed in the footsteps of his son, his eldest daughter, his brother-in-law and just about every other working-age man in this former coal-mining town: He headed west for a spell, to take part in the Great Economic Miracle known as the oil sands.“I came home with $9,200 in my pocket after six weeks,” he explained, flashing a $200 watch his employer gave him for avoiding accidents on the job. “My buddy just came back and he made $43,000. He bought a four-wheel drive, put new cupboards in his home, a new kitchen and new flooring. As a fella says, you make hay while the sun shines.”
China's CNPC wants to purchase Russian gas at European prices
MOSCOW (Thomson Financial) - The China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) has informed Russia's OAO Gazprom that it wants to pay a price similar to that which European clients currently pay for its natural gas, a source close to the negotiations told Interfax.'The Chinese are insisting that Gazprom proceed from the gas price for Europe at the starting period of determining the price formula,' the source said.
Iraq 'set for oil price windfall'
Increasing oil production and higher oil prices mean Iraq could be set for an influx of extra money towards reconstruction, a report has said.
Iraq oil cash not spent for reconstruction
Increased Iraqi oil revenues stemming from high prices and improved security are piling up in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York rather than being spent on needed reconstruction projects, a Washington Times study of Iraq's spending and revenue figures has shown.
Friction over coal price at root of power shortage
In the longer term, the rolling cuts are the product of a clash between the power and coal industries over price and profits, with Beijing standing by, sometimes ineffectively, as referee.The state power companies have bristled in recent years at the rising cost of the coal they buy to fire their generators. While coal prices have been largely deregulated, and become increasingly tied to global markets, power prices are still set by the government.
NTPC Coal Imports to Jump 67%, May Burn Lower Grades
(Bloomberg) -- NTPC Ltd., India's biggest utility, plans to import 67 percent more coal next fiscal year and switch to lower grades, to curb the impact of record fuel prices as its meets soaring electricity demand.The generator may have to pay 39 percent more to import the fuel in the year starting April, Chairman T. Sankaralingam said by telephone from New Delhi today. At current prices NTPC will on average pay as much as $75 a metric ton for imports next year compared with $54 in the year to March 31, he said.
Sinopec's Maoming further delays coker maintenance
BEIJING (Reuters) - Sinopec's Maoming refinery has postponed further the maintenance of a delayed coking unit to the second quarter as it operates at near full speed to meet firm domestic fuel demand, an industry source said.
Tokyo Electric Expects Record Loss on Oil, Gas Costs
(Bloomberg) -- Tokyo Electric Power Co., forced to shut the world's biggest nuclear plant after an earthquake, predicted a record loss for the year ending March because of higher costs for oil and natural gas....``Fuel costs are leaping far more than we expected,'' Managing Director Masaru Takei told reporters Tokyo today. ``Spikes in oil prices force us to pay more for liquefied natural gas as well. Sellers are taking a tough stance to increase their fuel prices.''
Malaysia: Stockpile sign of a responsible govt
IT is the duty of every responsible government to ensure a constant supply of essential foodstuff so that people will have access to such goods on a daily basis.One way of doing this is to stockpile enough food and fuel in case of an emergency leading to a shortage, whether due to natural causes or other factors. There must be enough supply to last the storm.
High Oil Prices Boost Energy Efficiency - Report
LONDON - High oil prices have spurred countries to use energy more efficiently, a report by an energy industry group said, but the authors say concerted government action is still needed to encourage less waste.
Days of cheap energy are over, lawmaker says
DES MOINES -- Iowa should implement efficiency standards for utility companies as part of the state's drive to create green jobs and reduce energy consumption, a group of lawmakers announced Tuesday."Iowans are used to the concept that energy will be cheap, and those days are now over," said Sen. Rob Hogg, D-Cedar Rapids. "Energy is no longer going to be cheap, so we have to become better energy consumers."
Green and vegan claims that meat is a climate crime are based on a UN statistic that could lead to more industrialised farming.
UK: Beef shortage brings call for price increase
With fertiliser, feed and fuel prices all escalating, NFUS has huge concerns that the production of both beef and lamb could be about to suffer a serious drop unless prices start to reflect both the tight supply situation and rising costs.Figures produced by the Scottish Government revealed drops in both breeding sheep and cattle numbers since June 2007.
Risk of restarting nuclear reactor too high: Keen
The woman who was fired by the federal Conservatives as president of Canada's nuclear safety watchdog said Tuesday the safety risk of resuming the Chalk River, Ont., reactor was 1,000 times higher than accepted international standards.
The second half of the 20th century was, in some key respects, a time of stagnation. Have we learned any lessons from the failure of industry (and governments)? We could be enjoying universal supersonic jet travel, with aircraft capable of vertical takeoffs and landings; electric cars; and cheap nuclear power. Instead, we've been deprived of these things by timidity and cowardice in high places, by a lack of vision and initiative and by a failing of the energetic, entrepreneurial spirit of technical adventure that dominated the West from 1750 to 1950.
The litany of "bigger, faster, and more complex," mega-this and mega-that, as a cure for the initial problem of "bigger, faster, and more complex" is self-evidently ludicrous, so ludicrous that we cannot see it. It is sheer bigness — overpopulation, resource-consumption, and environmental destruction — that has led us to the first days of systemic collapse. Dragging images out of science-fiction movies to create "bigger, faster, and more complex" machines will not do the trick. The paradigm is elusive but real: the worship of technology creates a chain reaction, a spiral, a thermostat set to zero tolerance. The technophile is a junkie with a need for an ever-larger fix, a millionaire with an ever-greater fear of poverty, a Uriah Heep who creates his own enemies.
Mexico sees big oil field's output sliding further
MEXICO CITY, Jan 29 (Reuters) - Crude oil reserves in Mexico's huge but waning Cantarell oil field will continue to decline this year at around the same pace as in 2007, Pemex Director General Jesus Reyes Heroles said on Tuesday.Reyes Heroles told Reuters average daily production at Cantarell, in the Gulf of Mexico, would drop by 200,000 barrels over 2008, increasing pressure on the state-owned oil monopoly to ramp up output at smaller oil fields.
The decrease would be a drop of 16 percent from Cantarell's December 2007 output of 1.26 million barrels per day (bpd), its lowest level of the year. Yields at Cantarell declined 16 percent during 2007, slightly more than forecast.
Oil scarcity has 'snuck up on us', expert says
Dr Jim Buckee has just retired as president and chief executive of Talisman Energy, a major independent Canadian oil company with a market capitalisation of $25 billion...."I think it's pretty alarmist if one or more of the world's largest oil companies say, 'listen guys, supplies of oil are going to get tight'. The ramifications are immense.
"Always the line of the major oil companies, Exxon, Shell, BP has been, 'there's plenty of oil, technology will overcome shortages; we'll find it'.
"They changed a little bit to, 'there's plenty of oil, but access is difficult' and then this is a change again saying, 'well actually, it looks like it's finite and we're looking over the hill'."
Syncrude production suspended after extreme cold
CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) - Production at the 350,000 barrel per day Syncrude Canada Ltd oil sands project has been suspended after instruments began freezing up due to a bitter cold snap in northern Alberta, the joint-venture's biggest shareholder said on Tuesday.
China Oilfield Shares Rise on Profit, Cnooc Spending
(Bloomberg) -- China Oilfield Services Ltd. rose in Hong Kong trading after saying profit almost doubled and its biggest customer Cnooc Ltd. budgeted a 44 percent jump in spending to meet Chinese energy demand.
Suncor plans major oil sands spending
TORONTO (Reuters) - Suncor Energy Inc said on Wednesday its board approved a C$20.6 billion investment aimed at boosting crude oil production at the company's oil sands operation north of Fort McMurray in Alberta.The investment will boost its production by 200,000 barrels per day, and help the company achieve its goal of raising crude oil production capacity to 550,000 bpd in 2012, it said.
Gazprom looms large on EU's gas supply horizon
Russian energy giant Gazprom has secured further pipeline deals with individual EU member states and announced its ambition to move into the UK market this week, casting further doubts over the EU's ambition to "speak with one voice" on external energy matters.
Jeff Hohensee, CEO of the local sustainability consulting/education firm Natural Capital Solutions (NCS), said demand for NCS services is increasing, partially because the “drivers of change” are staring businesses in the economic face.Hohensee said businesses face “durably” increasing energy costs; what he called the “reality” of climate change; increases in resource costs as the world population approaches 7 billion people; and the possibility of “peak oil,” or the point at which worldwide oil production capacity will begin to decline, in the foreseeable future.
Seawater agriculture and seawater/saline algae farms are an important part of an approach to try and head off warming as opposed to "living in a warmer world." Evidently we reached "peak oil" in 2006. With the tremendous growth in Asian demand, oil prices are expected to rise rapidly.Therefore, both from an economic and a climate perspective we need to -- soon -- replace petroleum fuels for transportation. The only viable candidates are hydrogen and biofuels. Hydrogen has major storage and infrastructure issues; biofuels appear to be the approach of choice going forward. Replacing oil will require tremendous capacity, which is only available for biomass if we utilize seawater agriculture and seawater/saline algae farms.
Kirschenmann says agriculture must change to survive
Agriculture and other industries are based on a system of easily extracted fossil fuel."We tap into the earth's crust, pull it out and process it," Kirschenmann said. "Up until we reached peak oil in the 1970s, we were getting 100 kilocalories of energy for every kilocalorie we invested. Our whole economy was based on cheap energy."
Today every kilocalorie invested generates just 20 kilocalories.
Prof Says Fiscal System Holding Back Uk Oil and Gas Projects
"Currently the UK continental shelf is suffering from serious cost escalation, and this has meant that some projects/fields are unattractive."Among the examples is gas from the west of Shetland area. There are around 20 undeveloped discoveries there, but the development and infrastructure costs are very high, and even an integrated development scheme with a common hub and pipeline system is uneconomic. Tax reliefs could help such high-cost developments."
The noble idea, part of Trudeau's plan at nation-building by spreading the public weal between the haves and have-nots, was to force Albertans to share the oil boom's petrobucks with all the rest of us. The result was the rise of western separatism and an anger that lasted for decades, and still makes Alberta a no man's land for Liberals.
Mines to get 90% of power supply back, says Eskom
Johannesburg – South Africa‘s mines should have 90 per cent of their power back by tomorrow, Public Enterprises Minister Alec Erwin said yesterday.“The target is on Thursday to go to 90%,” said Erwin after a meeting of the government, the mining industry and Eskom.
Brazil's Politicians Set to Cash in on Oil and Gas Discoveries
As if Brazil was not blessed with a bounty of natural resources it seems that God has decided to help his favorite nation once again by unveiling his latest gifts - massive reserves of oil and gas. The state-owned oil company Petrobras announced on January 21 that it had discovered huge offshore gas reserves which could be as large as the oil resources it discovered in November at the nearby Tupi field, which are estimated at five to eight billion barrels.This means that Brazil is on its way to becoming one of the world's leading oil and gas producers. Brazil is already self-reliant in oil and when the natural gas is flowing in 2014 it will no longer depend on Bolivia. Ironically, this good news comes amidst fears of energy rationing this year as the country's current power resources cope to meet with the rising demand from a growing economy.
China weather chaos a sign of things to come: experts
BEIJING (AFP) — Don't tell the thousands of Chinese stuck at railway stations or airports, but the chaos caused by a vicious cold spell afflicting much of China could be just a taste of things to come, experts say.The inclement weather and ensuing problems merely highlight the country's increasing vulnerability to the extreme weather swings characteristic of global climate change, experts say, and is likely to be repeated in future years.



Bush Administration wants to kill Coal CO2 Sequestration Power Plant
I believe that GWB, is his annual State of the Union lies, came out in favor of "clean coal" with sequestration a couple of days ago.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/29/AR200801...
Best Hopes for 356 more days,
Alan
How can we have best hopes for 356 more days of war crimes, crimes against humanity (secret prisons, torture, rape, murder) and these terrible continued crimes against the planet and the very "life support system" that makes life possible for our species?
By the end of 365 days,what further crimes will be committed?
How many more lies will be told?
How many more false promises will be made related to the environment?
How many more budgets will be slashed for projects that work toward cleaner energy or energy conservation?
My best hope is for a minimum number of all of the above.
Incompetence in all areas, including doing evil, in other words.
Best Hopes for Continued GWB Incompetence,
Alan
Check out C-span right now.
Sen. Leahy presiding over Senate discussion with AG Mukasey.
Already in opening remarks, Leahy has warned against 'King George'.. maybe not enough, but it's better than last year.
Bob
Pardon the detail-errors,
it's a Judiciary Ctte Oversight hearing, and I don't know how the AG's name is spelled.. got it on audio right now..
Bob
Unfortunately doing evil seems to be the one thing they're good at.
Although, maybe with the economy in trouble they'll be distracted from opening up a can of worms in Iran...
You've forgotten? New wars are the way that us here Murricans solve our economic problems...
It's an old Republican party trick. I honestly wouldn't put it past them to try and retain power by starting trouble in an election cycle. But then, that's just me being cynical...
The Bush 'say one thing and do another' political approach only seems to support the corps and the worst ones of the bunch at that.
I kinda' figured your hopes were along these lines, Alan.
My best hopes have been dashed on the rocks of -- ahem! -- "political reality" so many times that I truly am in a mourning mode. Not feeling sorry for myself, but lamenting the folly of our nation. Hey, it's a dirty job, but somebody has got to do it! Who better to lament than a "Beggar"?
Meanwhile, my shoulder is to the wheel and my nose is to the grindstone, working for sustainability in spite of the floods of folly.
One day, it just may be that some good will come of the positive efforts -- and if not, at least I (and so Many People!) will have put forth their best efforts.
"Atta Boy" to you Alan, and to many others who are still in there working for positive change!
And an "ATTA Boy !" to you ! :=)
Best Hopes for Citizen Action & Activity,
Alan
The FutureGen was to be built in Mattoon, Illinois, twenty miles from my house. Lots of people are really upset and feel betrayed after going through the long process to get the Mattoon for the new plant. I wonder if the Energy Department would have pulled support if Texas, the main competitor for the new plant, was the site location .
It's interesting how marketing affects peoples' perceptions and the resulting NIMBY/PIMBY attitudes.
So, local people are PIMBY (Please in my back yard) on a project that will inject millions of tonnes of extremely dangerous suffocating gas right there below their feet. A first of kind project, involving technology that has never been demonstrated or proven it will work properly.
Then they would vigorously protest a nuclear reactor at the same place - even though for all 50 years of existence nuclear plants in the developed world have practically hurt noone. Even though for the same investment such a plant will be producing more then 3 times the energy of the "clean coal" plant... Talk about rationality.
What I'd really like to start seeing is RIMBY - Renewables In My Back Yard
Two things, LevinK
1) False Dichotomy. You make it sound as if the people who oppose Nuke are therefore Pro 'CleanCoal' .. Survey the Green Nimbys and convince me that they are really Pro either one.. both are dirty, and are tearing up all sorts of land and fouling waterways to access their fuels.
2) No Injuries... Keep Repeating it. In a hundred thousand years, you won't have made it true. I've linked to Native villages in the American west that have been inundated with cancers from their Uranium Mining, testimonies to the Cancers birth defects in the Ukraine, underreported reactor accidents.. Of course, we're still effecting some 'Waste Disposal' by packaging our high explosives in DU and giving it as a gift to the future generations of Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan. But that doesn't count as a peripheral effect of Nuclear Power, does it?
Bob
1) False Dichotomy. You make it sound as if the people who oppose Nuke are therefore Pro 'CleanCoal' ..
No, I'm not and I'm not talking about that here. The same people are likely to object wind mills if they clog their view. I'm simply pointing out that people choose which dangers to fear from, based on mere preconceptions and irrelevant of rational argumentation.
I've linked to Native villages in the American west that have been inundated with cancers from their Uranium Mining, testimonies to the Cancers birth defects in the Ukraine, underreported reactor accidents..
I am well aware that in the early days of the US nuclear program the safety and environmental standards were much lower than today. This almost exclusively applies to the military nuclear program, which you conveniently lump together with the civilian program. Which is pretty much the same as lumping together the Chemical Industry and the Nazi gas chambers.
I do not stand corrected - Nuclear Power Plants in the developed world have not caused even a single death or injury among the public. If you include employees in the public, nuclear is still the safest among all major energy sources:
http://planetsave.com/category/climate-science-research/page/2/
Unfortunately wind or solar power were not included here because of their minuscule contribution but it is delusional to think they do not present any dangers on their own. There is nothing perfectly safe.
jokuhl -
To be fair, I think you would need to compare the deaths from exposure to radiation from the mining and processing of uranium, plus exposure from nuclear powe plant accidents to the deaths resulting from the mining, transport, and burning of coal.
If you do that, I think you will see that coal has caused far more death and disease than nuclear power.
As I have said several times before on TOD, if you are really worried about dying from radiation poisoning, your worries would be far better directed toward the possibility of a nuclear exchange resulting from an energy resource war that got out of control.
Orders of magnitude more people died of radiation during that shameful day at Hiroshima than have died from the following 50 years of worldwide nuclear power plant operation.
Joule;
I don't doubt that coal's death toll is far worse. So Far. My objection is that this makes nuclear appear safe, while it's only been in operation for a sliver of the time that it's materials will remain concentrated and harmful, and add to that the fact that this very unique period of time has seen most of the countries that could sustain a Nuclear Reactor industry able to be kept stable enough to maintain the level of security required to keep the systems going, the fences guarded, the guards paid.
When a Windturbine stops turning, decades after anyone cares, and it sits up there rusting and tottering, at least you can see it, and should have the good sense not to stand underneath. Nuclear is one of the countless unperceivable and concentrated poisons that we've drawn from the earth and brought into the biosphere where it can and does disrupt living systems. I'm not that worried about getting radiation poisoning myself, aside from the cumulative effects of living in an environment where we have also inundated our bodies with Mercury, Dioxin, Phthalated Polymers, Bromates, etc etc.. but no, my greater worry is what I'm doing to my neighbors, our kids and to the biosphere over the foreseeable future if I advocate such a selfish and reckless form of Technocopian energy, heedless of the likelihood that I won't be able to assure it is safely kept for as long as it is a danger to others.
As far as that Nuclear Exchange goes, does your scenario preclude the likelihood that Nuclear Energy can also play a role with inspiring such a development? It seems that the See-saw of Iran's 'Peaceful Atom' program vs their 'Desire for Doomsday Weapons' is as close a link for a WarStarter as you could ask for. This source is Trouble. It's overpowered, lending itself to Monopolistic Business Practises, Political Gamesmanship, and AntiDemocratic Infrastructure. It's complex and requires a Big, Stable system to be operated safely.
Best,
Bob
Mattoon, eh? I work in Rantoul sometimes ...
I'm about twenty miles south of Mattoon, and six miles west of Toledo (pop. 1100); ten acres at the end of a dead end gravel road in God’s country. Nice and isolated, but not too isolated. Rantoul has declined somewhat since they closed down the base Air Force base there. Mattoon is not doing so well either, sometimes referred to as “Methtoon”.
We have a tasty airforce command bunker, retired, with 1/4th inch copper plating all around for EMP protection, which houses all of our servers. The only way the place could get any more solid would be bricking up the slit windows in the outer offices, but any tornado that comes through those to trouble the insides is going to get the power and carry off the generators (one gas, one diesel) in the process ... and its unlikely that such a beast would also get the backup facility in Champaign :-)
I suspect I will be in the area around Valentine's Day, if you'd like to get together for an evening.
The article says that Bodman wants to pursue other carbon sequestration projects. Wonder what those are. Stuffing carbon where the sun don't shine? Now that would be a winner.
This is just another version of so called clean coal. Whenever the coal industry is threatened they step up their PR campaign to convince millions of gullible Americans that clean coal is just around the corner or they show you some showplace somewhere where some former mountain top in West Virginia has been reclaimed with a green golf course. Throw in a few bunnies and happy dear grazing on this newly reclaimed land and you've got a winner.
Clean coal is not going to happen and sequestration is not going to happen and we don't have time to wait for it to happen anyway if we are relying on a billion dollar plus show projects here and there. The only thing that will get the coal industry's attention and its enablers, the utilities is to announce the phase out of all coal plants that do not, in fact, sequester at least 90% of CO2. It is really very simple. We will not meet necessary reductions in co2 if we continue down a path that relies on coal.
Obama says that he supports coal liquefaction and coal in general if it can be done in a environmentally safe manner. That is just a way to delay the hard decisions that need to be done now. Expect that in an Obama Presidency, and in a Clinton Presidency for that matter, additional projects to put us all to sleep thinking that we are moving towards a bright clean future.
Edwards, who is dropping out today, had the only sensible policy. Shut coal plants down unless they can sequester CO2, period.
Shutting down this project seems to confirm that the Bush administration is not serious about climate change. No surprise here because they have never been serious about climate change. However, there is no reason to trust that they would be spending money on this project wisely, anyway.
The potential silver lining here is that this may be a wake up call. But then we get wake up calls from the Bush administration every day, don't we? Anyone who has not awakened thus far is probably dead.
I support coal as along as it can be shown that coal is not coal.
I support using the energy that is released by breaking the carbon bonds in fossil fuels as long that does not release carbon.
I support everyone having access to lots and lots of cheap energy that does not result in any negative impact on the environment or growth of population.
I believe in magic.
Pffft.
I do not believe there is any "answer" that does not include massive changes to who we are, how we live, and likely how many of us there are, and I cannot even imagine how such a transition will play out. All I know is that this type of nonsense is just that. And I do not really believe that we will be able, as a society, to do anything useful that would help in the transition, let alone address any larger questions.
All of this talk by the candidates, the whole pretense of "choice" and participation, it just means.......nothing.
There simply is no "solution" as most people would define it.
Really a great post, very well worded, and I agree completely.
Thanks - I wish it were different though.
Not true. Dumbya is VERY aware of, and scared of, climate change and PO. How do we know this? Dumbya lives off the grid. While killing virtually all useful climate legislation, denying PO and GW, and spending our future in Iraq to get more oil, he built himself an off-grid home out in Crawford.
He cares about climate change and peak oil, he just doesn't care what it does to *you.*
Draw your own conclusions/parallels/conspiracy theories.
Cheers
He's not off the grid. He's got a geothermal system, and recycles graywater to irrigate his landscaping.
There was talk of possible solar panels to run the swimming pool, but they didn't do it. Wasn't practical, I guess.
IMHO, the cleanest coal is the coal that remains underground
Righto! Conveniently pre-sequestered!
I grew up near New Straitsville, Ohio sight of the mine fire that still burns today.... started I believe in the 1903 strike (I'm probably off a few years).
There is a little book called "smoke in the valley" about it.
I have often wondered (and Im sure there has been a lot of research done) about injecting air into deep coal drilling horizontal well grid and lighting it. In situ combustion of the coal. Circulate water through the horizontals to make the steam. Keep it all underground.
Want to shut off the fire--- shut off the air.
Makes more sense to me.
Why not do it in the Tar Sands as well??
Someone here probably knows a lot about this I do not.
FF
Now I remember and I was talking about this with someone and we couldn't get by the mass balance ...
adding air would cause it to explode without some relief...
Then we starting talking about the coalbed methane in the San Juan and how the pressure was reduced so much in that coal leaving a lot of room for the combustion gas... and there is a lot of deep coal there.
that was as far as we got.
FF
You are talking about the THAI process for the oil patch. I covered in-situ combustion of coal in one or two earlier posts. And no, once it starts it becomes very difficult to shut off the air, due to cracking in the adjacent rock. The fire burns at different levels in different horizons and becomes quite difficult to control even over quite short distances.
Does anyone know the details of this announcement? What "other options for CO2 sequestration" are they talking about? I wonder if they are talking about ZECA?
Maybe this is a good news.
It's time someone stands up and admits loud and clear that "clean coal" will never happen. That from the very beginning it has been a dangerous boondoggle, a distraction to let coal companies continue operating on the promise for that great future, when "technology" is going to solve all our problems.
Just think about it - how could the coal industry survive an effective doubling of both their capital and fuel costs? How could old plants and plants already on the line be retrofitted when they were never designed for CS? Who is going to cover the cost of the pipeline network to pump CO2 from locations such as WY?
CS is the definition of a pipe dream, an illustration of how we can delude ourselves, how we rationalize doing what we want to, not what needs to be done.
Its like I've said before the coal industry (Peabody) loves carbon sequestration.
The coal companies don't build and operate the plants, the utilities do. Duke, AEP, you name it.
Thirty percent of the output of that coal plant will go to provide a compressed pure CO2 stream.
That means more coal sales for the coal company.
The utilities will like it since their rates are regulated but they will charge overhead and supervision on a "cost plus" basis .... the more money they spend the more money they make.
So much pure CO2 would be available for the oil companies to inject for enhanced oil recovery that they will be paid to dispose of it.
It is a win win win for the industries you think oppose it.
The payer is the utility consumer.
FF