Bread and Oil: Rising Food Prices and the Middle East

This is a guest post by Yair Wallach. Originally from Jerusalem, he is completing his PhD in Cultural History in Birkbeck College, the University of London (writing about Palestine/Israel between 1858 and 1948). During his five years of study in London he has lived in precarious conditions, spending many months without electricity or hot water. These experiences have made him aware of issues of environmental sustainability, especially relating to energy, water, waste and the global food market. He currently makes his living by writing articles of economic analysis on the Middle East.

Abstract

The use of food crops for biofuels is one of the key factors driving a dramatic increase in the global price of cereals. As Stuart Staniford demonstrated here in the past few weeks, this trend is set to intensify. This article will look at the potential implications of rising wheat prices for countries in the Middle East, taking Egypt and Morocco as examples. Government food subsidies in both countries have so far protected the poor urban population from much of the global hike in cereal prices. However, as food prices continue to spiral, subsidies will demand a growing share of national budgets. Subsidies cuts seem inevitable, leading to riots and political instability.

The further development of biofuels could make food too costly for millions of poor in the Middle East, and destabilise the region which supplies most of the world’s oil exports.

Introduction

Stuart Staniford’s article Fermenting the Food Supply exposed the dangerously rapid manner in which food crops have been diverted to biofuels in the USA, and the likelihood that this pattern will be copied elsewhere. Staniford attempted to gauge the impact of price rises on the global poor. Looking at the elasticity of food expenditure, he suggested a grim possibility of 60% of the globe’s population priced out of the food market within the next five years. In a later article, Death Rates and Food Prices he considered the mitigating effect of subsistence farming, which could support a considerable part of the global poor.

Staniford established convincingly that the impact of biofuels on food crops will be almost immediate – that is, within the next decade or even five years. However, within such a short time span, assessment based on universal parameters will give a very limited picture. I believe that a more detailed attention needs to be given to specific regions and countries. Which ones are most at risk?

The Middle East is my home region, with which I am familiar personally and professionally. It is natural for me to be interested in the dangers for the region’s population. But furthermore, a food crisis in the Middle East may have far reaching consequences, due to the importance of the region for oil and natural gas exports.

My starting assumption is that countries that import a large percentage of their cereal utilisation will be more exposed to the rising prices. Where hard currency has to be paid for cereal, the increase in price will be most visible. By this criterion, the Middle East is especially vulnerable. As the chart below shows, out of 20 countries that import 10% or more of their cereals, 7 countries are found in the Middle East: Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Iran, Iraq and Sudan.

Imported Cereals as share of utilized cereals in selected countries. Source: FAO, Food outlook. Data for 2006-2007 is estimated; data for 2007-2008 is projected. The data is selective and probably includes only countries with substantial population.

The vulnerability of the region also lies in the fact that wheat-based bread is the main staple. Without bread there is no life – indeed, in Egypt the same word is used for both (‘aish). The global commodity price of wheat has gone up most drastically, tripling between 2000 and 2007. Maize and rice prices have doubled during this time. Countries in which wheat is the main cereal are likely to be more severely affected.

Outside the rich pockets of wealth in the Gulf, poverty is widespread in the Middle East. In Egypt, 45% of the population are estimated to live on US$2 per day or less (2007). The population in the region spends on average a third to half of its income on food. Poor urban households are in a precarious position to begin with, and they will be affected badly by any prices increases. However, the price of bread is not dictated directly by global cereals prices, because of generous government subsidies. Before examining the possible implications of the crisis by looking at the specific cases of Egypt and Morocco, a few words on the economics and politics behind food subsidies in the Middle East.

Oil and Food subsidies

Government intervention in the food market is a crucial mitigating factor that has to be taken into account when trying to assess the impact of the current price hike. In virtually all countries in the Middle East and North Africa, governments offer generous subsidies for food and, in most cases, for fuel. There is an unwritten pact between governments and peoples in the region that guaranties that the price of bread and fuel remains affordable, and any cut in subsidies is seen as a direct attack on people’s most basic rights.

The IMF and various other global consulting bodies have persistently preached against subsidies, arguing that they are not an effective means to alleviate poverty. The argument has merit: the subsidies benefit poor and rich alike; they encourage corruption and waste. This is especially true with fuel subsidies, of which the middle classes take full advantage. The IMF has consistently called for replacing the subsidies with other mechanisms that would support directly the population in need, such as cash transfers. However, the population in the region has real concerns about such suggestions: Will cash-grants be sufficient? Will they rise with inflation? Will they reach everyone in need? Will governments be competent enough to administer the scheme? The general sentiment is that the answer to all of these is ‘no’; a recent survey showed that 88% of Egyptians are opposed to any subsidy reform, fearing that ‘reform’ would mean in effect elimination.

The subsidies form a considerable part of all national budgets in the region, but for some countries they are a bigger strain than others, especially as the bill is getting higher. The rich oil and gas producing countries – Saudi Arabia, UAE, Algeria and others – are able to pay the rising price with high revenues from hydrocarbon exports. Other countries are in a far more precarious situation: these include not only resource-poor countries like Jordan, Tunisia and Morocco, but also oil producers such as Egypt, Iraq and Iran, which, for various reasons (resource depletion, internal strife or failing infrastructure) are fiscally vulnerable. Egypt, which has a substantial fiscal deficit, is expected to spend 30% of its budget for 2007/08 on subsidies.

Middle Eastern governments have been wary of eliminating food subsidies or replacing them, as it is clear that the issue is politically explosive. Subsidy cuts lead to riots. This has been the case in Egypt (1977), Sudan (1979), Morocco (1981, 1984, 2007) Jordan (1989, 1996), and Tunisia (1984). The riots are perceived as serious challenge for the regimes. In some cases (Morocco 1981) hundreds of demonstrators were killed. After clampdown of arrests and emergency measures, governments usually back down from the subsidy cuts. We have seen this happen in the last bread riots in Morocco (September 2007). This scenario will become increasingly unlikely as the subsidy bill becomes much more costly. As prices of oil and food go up, removing subsidies will become politically impossible, but sustaining them could become economically unviable. Whatever happens, subsidies are unlikely to be eliminated completely, and global price rises will be mitigated and not hit the population in their full toll. Famines are therefore not to be expected in the immediate future. Yet political unrest is unavoidable. Even if governments succeed in repressing food riots, popular disapproval will remain and the political situation will be much more volatile.

Egypt

Egypt has the biggest population in the region – 77 million people, and a high growth rate. The country is also one of the biggest wheat importers in the world, importing about 38% of its cereals in 2006-7. The price of bread is very low – less than one cent in 2007, and subsidised bread is available mainly for the urban population, which made 42% of the total population in 2007. In 2007 rising wheat prices cost the Egyptian government an additional US$ 2.5 billion in subsidies. The government could afford this because of windfall oil and gas revenues, and strong economic growth since 2004 in non-oil sectors. In 2007 Egypt had a US$ 5 billion trade surplus. In the recent Davos conference, Egypt was hailed as a success story for liberalisation reforms, and as one of the next emerging economies.

But in 2008 things are set to change. Egyptian oil production peaked in the mid 1990s. Oil consumption is growing strongly, due to economic growth. In 2008, Egypt is set to become a net importer of oil for the first time. From a dwindling source of income, oil will become a substantial fiscal burden. The government would have to import oil and sell it at a subsidised price – which would be a heavy burden, since fuel subsidies already made 20% of the government budget in 2005/6 (source: IMF).

Will the Egyptian government sustain bread prices at their current levels? After announcements of possible changes to the subsidy system, the Government recently announced that no major reform will take place. The current system will continue and will be extended. But can the government afford it to sustain bread prices at their current levels? Natural gas exports will continue to bring hard currency, but subsidies cuts seem inevitable. In 2007 the price of fuel went up by 30%. Further rises are no doubt on the way.

Egypt’s production and consumption of crude oil, in million tons, between 1973-2006. Source: BP

Morocco

Morocco has a large agricultural sector and therefore is in a better position to fall back onto subsistence farming. However, in recent decades Morocco has been plagued by recurrent droughts, in what is widely seen as the effect of climate change. The frequency of droughts has increased from once every five years to every other year; the length of the growing season has shortened considerably. (Source: Karrou). Yields vary considerably between years, and in 2007 they were especially low. As a result, Morocco is forced to import a growing share of its cereals: about a third of its cereals in 2006/7, and in 2007/8 it is expected to import about 56%.

Both fuel and food subsidies in Morocco are much lower than in Egypt. To give some indication, in 2004 the retail price of a litre of gasoline was US$ 1.10, compared with 28 cent in Egypt. Diesel was 70 cent compared with 10 cent. (source). Bread is sold at 1.20 Dirham or US 15 cents. Yet oil and food subsidies still made up about 10% of the government budget in 2007; if they were to double, this would create a considerable fiscal strain.

There are some early signs of crisis. In September 2007, just before the month of Ramadan (in which bread consumption rises) the government raised the price of bread by 30%. Bread riots followed, and after clashes between police and demonstrators, the government backed down and restored the lower price. The decisions on subsidies cuts, interestingly, was taken by the Ministry of Interior, in charge of internal security. (source: ecomaroc.blogspot.com, French).

Also there are indications of falling demand for oil. The volume of crude oil imports in 2007 was about 2% lower than in 2006. However, when November 2007 is compared to November 2006, we find an alarming drop of 43% in the volume of oil imports. (source: Moroccan Statistics). With no substantial hydrocarbon industry, a more urbanised society (60% urban compared with 42% in Egypt), and greater dependency on wheat imports, Morocco seems more vulnerable to the impending crisis than Egypt.

Conclusion

Cereal prices in the Middle East are mediated through state subsidies. So far, the urban poor have not been exposed directly to the rise in prices. It seems inevitable, however, that at some point the price rises will be passed on to the public through subsidy cuts, either in 2008 or in 2009, in countries such as Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Iraq, and Jordan. Subsidy cuts will, without doubt, result in immediate riots. The urban poor will not wait until they reach a starving point: they will act immediately, as they have done before, against what they will see as the government betraying its fundamental duty to provide affordable food prices.

Egypt and Morocco are among the US’s closest allies in the region. Belonging to the so-called “moderate Arab/Muslim countries”, they have been the most accommodating in terms of supplying the US with intelligence and military cooperation against Islamist groups. In return the US has supported these regimes militarily and economically, through direct support (Egypt) or Free Trade Agreements. Political instability in these countries will put in serious risk the position of the US in the Middle East. The notion that food prices have gone up because of American (and other developed countries’) use of biofuels will not make the US more popular among people in the region.

The American policy on biofuels is repeatedly presented as a means to improve US national security, by reducing dependency on imported oil from the Middle East. Articles on Ethanol production here in the Oil Drum (by Robert Rapier and others) have shown this to be a fiction at best, because of ethanol’s poor EROI. Now it becomes clear that the subsidising of biofuels will make the world less safe for the US, by destabilising “friendly regimes” in the Middle East and beyond.

A few more words. Egypt, Morocco and other Middle East countries are regularly covered by Western Media, because of their economic and geo-political importance, as well as their proximity to Europe. Other countries – for example in sub-Saharan Africa – may be even more vulnerable, as many of them depend on cereal imports (although perhaps not to the same extent). It would seem likely that governments in sub-Saharan Africa have less power to mitigate price rises through generous subsidies. However, many such countries are off the radar for Western media, and the developed world will learn about the problems only through news of famines or refugee crises.

To forecast the impact of cereal price rises, one should take into account food subsidies (where they exist) and the ability of governments to sustain them. In the Middle East, it seems, the political consequences will be almost immediate, and will come before actual food shortages. In other regions it may take a different course. In Mexico, for example, subsidies have been eliminated long ago. But as I am no expert on Mexico, I will leave this for others.

If this short article dealt with the problem in strategic terms, in grand summaries of numbers (population, oil, food), it is important to remember that behind all these are people, real people, and many of them. Poor families in Egypt and Morocco, for whom life is already very difficult, and who survive on the bare minimum, are going to be badly hit in the next two years, when even a pita bread will become too expensive. The important issue here is not the survival of certain political regimes, but rather the survival of these families.

Sources:

"Now it becomes clear that the subsidising of biofuels will make the world less safe for the US, by destabilising “friendly regimes” in the Middle East and beyond."

Hello CIA, etc., are you listening?

Thank-you, Yair Wallach, for a very informative piece.

"Now it becomes clear that the subsidising of biofuels will make the world less safe for the US, by destabilising “friendly regimes” in the Middle East and beyond."

Though no friend of US biofuels, I remain unconvinced of this.

The big wheat exporters are US, Canada, Australia etc. There are not many others. More than half of all exports come from the three countries named.

In other words, high food prices could force some Middle East countries to come to terms with their dependence on the West for food. Then they might do more to dampen extremist elements within their borders.

The US already supplies substantial aid to Egypt and a big chunk of the wheat imports.

Hi George, would you mind defining who are the extremist elements within their borders? I am a bit fuzzy there as I would think it is one big extremist outfit outside their borders that is the problem.

Also your idea of food as a weapon in Western political policy sort of smacks along the line of war crime or worse; genocide! Wouldn't you think?

I sincerely doubt many people are going to be allowed to starve. We are not talking war here.

But food aid used as part of foreign policy.....yes, that is likely.

I also doubt very very much that you personally would allow them to starve if you could help it, but there seems to be a disconnection when we are able to allow our governments to do exactly that for political purposes. You can look to the aftermath of the first Gulf war and the embargo, according to the following from Wiki:

The estimate from the study indicates more than 46,900 children died between January and August 1991.[40] A 1998 UNICEF report found that the sanctions resulted in an increase to 90,000 deaths per year.

Withholding food or essentials for political reasons in time of peace is in my opinion as, or more reprehensible, than it would be in time of war.

BTW you did not respond to my first point, not that you are required to, but in the heat of the moment you might have overlooked it?

Chrystal, an embargo is rather extreme and, for all intents and purposes, an act of war.

I suspect the West could get a lot of mileage out of its food exports edge, if necessary, without resorting to embargo.

>>BTW you did not respond to my first point...

I think your point was that the Americans are extremists. In some ways, maybe, but I can't see how the world food situation gives us means to pressure them!

Using Crystal Radio's definition of embargos and war crimes, it sounds like OPEC should be the target of his/her anger.

Sorry Jack, you are way over my head with that. I know you must be, as all I can manage to decipher out of it is that OPEC is starving the west by not supplying needed oil to run their children ... all the little SuV's and Hummers?
NO! NO! that way lies madness ... must rest my head now, go to bed, dream of bunnies and butterflies...nite, nite :)

OPEC does not supply oil exclusively to the US or the West. People do die from lack of energy.

I think your point was that the Americans are extremists. In some ways, maybe, but I can't see how the world food situation gives us means to pressure them!

Not extremists but understanably a bit blind, just like Canadians are in not opposing a war of aggression in Afghanistan.

About agressive war, I have this about Nuremburg ( though not what I was looking for which was a more complete definition of aggressive war, I am surprised I cant even find the complete wording of the UN charter which as I remember made no bones about the business of war).

: The Nürnberg Tribunal condemned a war of aggression in the strongest terms: "To initiate a war of aggression . . . is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole." It held individuals accountable for "crimes against peace", defined as the "planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing...." When the United Nations General Assembly unanimously affirmed the Nürnberg principles in 1946, it affirmed the principle of individual accountability for such crimes.

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On this:

I suspect the West could get a lot of mileage out of its food exports edge, if necessary, without resorting to embargo.

The problem I see here is that it still involves the innocent along with those that are considered guilty, not exactly cricket eh? (but then cricket isn't what it was since it was played in Iraq, I think:P

Show me where this has worked in the Middle East previously. I believe that the only prior case you can make for moderates actually solving their extremist problems was Turkey, nearly a century ago. More recently we have Iran falling to fundamentalists when the US backed Shah fell from power, Afghanistan falling to fundamentalists after defeating the Soviets (and who appear to be driving back towards ruling Afghanistan yet again), Pakistan beset by fundamentalist uprisings, Lebanon ripped apart by civil war and then seeing the fundamentalist Hezbollah rise to power...

In fact, based on the historical record, I would strongly expect revolution led by fundamentalists to be the most likely response, leading to authoritarian governments that are openly hostile to the US. Yes, Egypt might deal with its extremists. But the historical record suggests strongly that the extremists will instead deal with the moderates and deal with them violently at that.

Show me where this has worked in the Middle East previously

Egypt is a good example here of a nation that became more peaceful partially because of a food aid deal.

In fact, based on the historical record, I would strongly expect revolution led by fundamentalists to be the most likely response, leading to authoritarian governments that are openly hostile to the US.

What would they eat? Even Islamic fundamentalists have to eat?

But the historical record suggests strongly that the extremists will instead deal with the moderates and deal with them violently at that.

Although they have some success, extremists actually regularly get outmaneuvered, bought off, held in check, and sometimes outright defeated.

Iran has both oil and quite decent food production per capita (compared to Egypt). The regime has many more raw resources to play with compared with Egypt. So, it's not a good counter example, should one choose to cite it.

Pakistan just had an election. The secular parties were no longer banned by the US supported government, and the voters promptly deserted the fundamentalist parties for the secular parties.

There are no secular parties in Islamic Republic of Pakistan. No one in Pakistan openly calls for separation of the mosque & state. Everyone agrees that Pakistan should be an Islamic state with laws & constitution that are based on Koran. Everyone agrees that Islam has all the answers and that an Islamic state is an ideal state. The ex-prime minister Nawaz Sharif - whose party won the second largest number of seats - was considering implementing Sharia (chop limbs, heads, stoning, flogging, etc.)just before he was ousted by Musharraf in a coup.

The only debate is over how far to go in the process of Islamization. The "moderates" will tolerate movies, TV and music. The extremists want to recreate 7th century Arabia.

The question is not one of "dampening extremists".

Subsidy cuts in Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, and other countries are inevitable, especially if price hikes escalate, and this means serious political instabillity, whatever "dampening" measures are taken.

The people who will go out to the streets are not extremists - they're just people who want affordable prices. It is true thatIslamist groups will probably try to take advantage of the situation.

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A PHD candidate should be able to think better than this. I will only criticize some of the logic errors Yair Wallach has made in this poorly thought out piece.

The wheat shortage is the result primarily of weather difficulties in Australia, Canada and Ukraine as well as some other places. It has nothing to do with ethanol production since it is not used to produce ethanol. Corn is an animal feed which when fed to animals results in a dramatic loss of energy. Corn production for ethanol increased dramatically in 2007 from about 10 billion bushels to about 13 billion bushels more than enough to compensate for increased ethanol production, at least for now. The author supposes that oil which is the energy supply for over ninety percent of agriculture production is not the most significant factor in rising food prices. Instead it is postulated that an animal feed which is used to produce about 6% of liquid fuel in the U.S. is the cause of rising food prices worldwide.

What are American farmers who raise corn to do? Sell corn below it's energy value to be used as animal feed? Those who want to subsidize the high birth rates of Middle Eastern countries as the governments of the region do by stopping ethanol and depriving American farmers a legitimate return on the expensive fuel inputs they must pay are short sighted indeed. The problem is the culture of the Middle East that does not allow women other opportunities and keeps them in the role of baby makers par excellence and with out rights comparable to men. To suggest that somehow other countries are responsible for the enevitable collapse of such a food poor region with such a culture is the same as to say that Saudi Arabia is responsible for the collapse of the happy motoring life style of the U.S..

Furthermore the author uses the discredited concept of EROEI which does the same comparing of apples and oranges that he does with the comparison of an animal feed, corn, to a human staple food, wheat. Apples and oranges can not be compared because the the whole point of analogy is to find like things that are similar in many ways so as to deduce another characteristic. When two things that are insufficiently alike are compared it is called a false analogy and no valid deductions can be made. While Wikipedia says we make apples and oranges comparisons all the time, that does not make it is any more correct or logical. Whether comparing corn to wheat or oil to ethanol or apples to oranges, the comparisons while in the same general classification of items are not sufficiently alike to draw an valid conclusions. In any case analogy is a weak form of argument. In the case of EROEI the comparison analogy error is further compounded by the omission of price which is a critical factor in deciding which resources should be deployed to produce which products. The author better go back to his freshman logic class and start over. A PHD is too much for him now and should be denied.

That's a bit harsh, but only a bit.

How the wheat crop got dragged into the biofuels debate is screwy. Wheat and corn are usually grown in different areas. US wheat planting/ production, driven by rising prices
has been rising at 10% a year since 2005. 2008 US corn acreage is set to decline. Soybean acreage driven by high world prices is increasing.

http://www.farmdoc.uiuc.edu/marketing/weekly/html/022508.html

The biggest cause of the wheat crisis is probably Global Warming. A drought in Australia reduced wheat production by 42%. There is also a new wheat 'super-blight' sweeping East Africa.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200801070597.html

Another factor is the de-regulation of wheat prices in some countries is causing world prices to rise in sympathy.

I find it ironic that biofuels(particularly ethanol) which reduce GHG and thus mitigate GW in a small way are being blamed for what is at least in part a GW problem.

"How the wheat crop got dragged into the biofuels debate is screwy."

Wheat is one of the worst crops to grow.

It uses marginal land almost by default.

The growing season is long, Oct-June.

And it takes fertilizer. We won't grow it for less than $20 the bu.

Once cut, the stubble must be removed immediately-hence burning,
to get double cropped soy in behind it.

After June 15(?), you lose a bu/acre for every day's delay.

Then you must have irrigation, and on and on.

We said this from day1.

All crops compete with each other. Now watch cotton go to a $1
the lb.

Once cut, the stubble must be removed immediately-hence burning,
to get double cropped soy in behind it.

HUH? Seen a lot of Hard Red Winter grown here in Kansas and am not familiar with burning off the fields to double crop, maybe further east in the soft red areas of Il. and AR... Irrigation not so much. Wheat is a dryland crop here if you irrigate you raise corn,alfalfa, maybe soy or sorghum. You are correct it can be raised on marginal land but usually its a rotation crop and is as tough as any weed. Agree wheat has been dragged into the bio fuels discussion as it competes for acreage with corn, beans, and sorghum. In this area of South Central Kansas (the hard red wheat belt) we have seen a large amount of switching into corn the past two years at the expense of wheat. Mainly our below average wheat crops the past 3 years have been due to fall drought (poor germination) and late freezes (last year when the wheat was heading). This years crop was again a victim of inadequate fall rainfall. Lately however we are very wet. Unfortunately you can't make grain with no plant. Typically very wet crops result in larger crops with lower protiens but with increased riks of rusts that can lower yields and prices to the farmer. (protein is money). This year the stands are quite thin. I have made a couple of trips into Tulsa in the last couple of months and have made a point to take the side roads back to evaluate the crop and check out some land for purchase in the number one Hard Red Winter county in the U.S. Sumner County. I don't like what I see...we have had a hard winter regionally speaking so the wheat is not looking very robust. Like I indicated earlier its tough as a weed so it can rebound as long as there is a plant to rebound with.

Very good, KC.
Here in NW AR, we've had the same and thanx for the Tulsa/wheat info.

And Protein is the key.

Ever thought about canola?

Another axiom-

"Substantial data show that in corn, wheat and soybeans, the higher the yield, the lower the protein and oil content."

Good luck,

James

Once cut, the stubble must be removed immediately-hence burning,
to get double cropped soy in behind it.

HUH? Seen a lot of Hard Red Winter grown here in Kansas and am not familiar with burning off the fields to double crop, maybe further east in the soft red areas of Il. and AR... Irrigation not so much. Wheat is a dryland crop here if you irrigate you raise corn,alfalfa, maybe soy or sorghum. You are correct it can be raised on marginal land but usually its a rotation crop and is as tough as any weed. Agree wheat has been dragged into the bio fuels discussion as it competes for acreage with corn, beans, and sorghum. In this area of South Central Kansas (the hard red wheat belt) we have seen a large amount of switching into corn the past two years at the expense of wheat. Mainly our below average wheat crops the past 3 years have been due to fall drought (poor germination) and late freezes (last year when the wheat was heading). This years crop was again a victim of inadequate fall rainfall. Lately however we are very wet. Unfortunately you can't make grain with no plant. Typically very wet crops result in larger crops with lower protiens but with increased riks of rusts that can lower yields and prices to the farmer. (protein is money). This year the stands are quite thin. I have made a couple of trips into Tulsa in the last couple of months and have made a point to take the side roads back to evaluate the crop and check out some land for purchase in the number one Hard Red Winter county in the U.S. Sumner County. I don't like what I see...we have had a hard winter regionally speaking so the wheat is not looking very robust. Like I indicated earlier its tough as a weed so it can rebound as long as there is a plant to rebound with.

The (ethanol based) premise may be false, while the conclusion (quoted below) is most likely correct:
"The notion that food prices have gone up because of American (and other developed countries') use of biofuels will not make the US more popular among people in the region."

The Middle East is even more of a Conspiracy Theory hotbed than the US...

...whatever happens 'The Street' will blame someone, in fact the sooner the US gets knocked off the #1 spot the sooner it won't be them that gets blamed! :o)

Nick.

"To suggest that somehow other countries are responsible for the enevitable collapse of such a food poor region with such a culture is the same as to say that Saudi Arabia is responsible for the collapse of the happy motoring life style of the U.S.."

That is fair... I've seen people doing the second accusation several times :)

And we're off!

First. We're gonna need sources for this:

"Corn production for ethanol increased dramatically in 2007 from about 10 billion bushels to about 13 billion bushels more than enough to compensate for increased ethanol production, at least for now."

I've got us at 300 MMT corn production for 07. Give or take.

Although the large-scale and long-term potential for corn ethanol production is limited, it will be an important part of the transition to even cleaner forms of ethanol. As of the end of 2007, roughly 20 to 25 percent of our corn crop was used for making ethanol, yet this displaced less than 3 percent of the gasoline we used for our cars and trucks. Even if we used all our corn to make ethanol, with nothing left for food or animal feed, we could only displace about 12 percent of our gasoline demand. Clearly, today’s corn ethanol is not a sufficient long-term solution to our oil dependence."

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/fuel_economy/ethanol-frequently-ask...

25% x 300 = 75 MMT.

The stockpiles are gone.

And wheat can be substituted for corn.

Mac, we produced 13.1 billion bushels of corn in 07'.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/censusandstatistics/a/2007corn.htm

After allowing for distillers grains we get about 2.8 x 10/6 = 4.66 gallons/bu. To get 6.5 Billion gallons we would divide 6.5 by 4.66 = 1.394 bushels

1.394 divided by 13.1 billion bu = 10.64% of our corn crop

We use about 144 bil gal of gasoline/yr.

6.5/144 = .045, or 4 1/2% of our gasoline demand.

Our year end ing stockpile was 1.4 Billion bushels. That's up from 1.3 billion bushels in 06'.

No way on the 4.66 gallons/bu. NCGA says 2.8 gallons/bu (and they're paid to hawk the stuff, so we can be fairly confident they aren't underestimating). So you're off by a pretty factor.

The other thing is of course a gallon of ethanol is not equivalent to a gallon of gasoline, and his percentage calculation didn't take that into account.

But what he is doing is taking credit for the DDGS, and saying that effectively you used less than a bushel to make the ethanol. However, that is double-counting on the DDGS. In the energy balance calculations, the USDA already dumped a lot of energy inputs into the DDGS in order to inflate the ethanol energy return. So if you now want to take credit for the DDGS above, you get hit with a serious energy penalty, such that the net fuel production is approximately nil. Can't have it both ways.

Robert, I read where Poet said they're using about 24,000 btus of nat gas per gal of ethanol produced in their newer refineries. I saw no evidence that they were holding back btus to allocate to the ddgs.

It does strike me, however, that the btus of nat gas used in the production of fertilizer should be adjusted appropriately. I mean, the farmer was going to raise the cattle feed (corn,) anyway.

I think this should be done this way: Adjust the 25,000 btus of nat gas input into the fertilizer required to grow a bushel of of corn by multiplying it by 6/10. This would yield 15,000. Divide that by 2.8 = 5357 btus/gal.

So, I figure you add 24,000 btus (per Poet) for refining + 5300 btus for fertilizer, and approx 1,000 btus for Diesel (farming) and you come out with about 30,000 btus/gal inputs.

As for equivalence to gasoline: Well, we've seen in the link I provided that 3 out of the 4 cars tested achieved HIGHER mileage with an ethanol blend. Also, we're going to be seeing more and more cars with higher efficiency burning ethanol. The first crop comes out this year with the new Chevy HHR.

As for equivalence to gasoline: Well, we've seen in the link I provided that 3 out of the 4 cars tested achieved HIGHER mileage with an ethanol blend.

Yet the DOE has done literally hundreds, maybe thousands of tests that show just the opposite. Go figure.

I was under the impression that all of the DOE/EPA tests were done with care running E85, or E10. Can you direct me to some DOE tests using E20, and E30, as these were?

Rest assured that the DOE and EPA are trying to replicate those results right now. If they do, then we can talk about it. Right now, you have something that looks like cold fusion. Even one of the big ethanol organizations came out after that test and said "Hmmm. We can't really come up with any mechanism that could explain those results."

So instead of taking one study that contradicts every piece of work ever done in this area, I think I will wait until we get some 3rd party confirmation before I start counting ethanol as equivalent to gasoline. Maybe that's just the scientist in me. (And if it were real, I think you would already be seeing 3rd party confirmation).

Stuart, you get 30% of your corn back in the form of ddgs. Those ddgs have been shown in tests to give a 10% greater weight gain (when fed in a 30% ration) than a diet of straight corn. Put this together, and essentially, you've recovered 40% of your cattle-feeding potential with the DDGS coproduct; hence the 10/6 x calculation.

2.8 x 10/6 = 4.66