Midweek Open Thread...
Posted by Prof. Goose on October 19, 2005 - 11:32pm
Topic: Miscellaneous
Tags: peak oil [list all tags]
Simply because it's thread-a-licious...
Posted by Prof. Goose on October 19, 2005 - 11:32pm
Topic: Miscellaneous
Tags: peak oil [list all tags]
He is also being a little over the top to wake people up because I think he knows after all these years what our attitudes are regarding energy, ie. we take it for granted.
He is a scholarly type, from Harvard, and I think regardless of the money he may have made, is really concerned about our future.
Otherwise, I can not imagine why someone would take such risk, with little to really gain, because he just steped down from CEO so he can speak more.
He is not running for office. Not asking for a job from the Bush crowd, and he really is not helping big oil much with his message. He is an investment banker, and my take is because new reserve projects have been decreasing, his business is done in the long run. Instead of just cashing in and retiring, he has decided to speak out, educate us, research, stick his neck out, be interviewed, and so far it has got a lot of attention. That is a huge risk, and I suspect he would not take it unless he really, really saw something that made him very concerned.
I think it's the same for many of us on TOD: the pieces of the oil puzzle simply don't fit together, and there is a need to make sense of it all. We're working to reduce cognitive dissonance every day. Some days are better than others.
A crucial part of the picture people are missing (IMHO) is that it does take a bold man, one who is willing to step away from the herd, and to step away from the "me and my private-profits" mentality.
Simmons is such a man.
Hubbert was such a man.
Think about it.
It is 1956.
For the last 100 years (since Drake in 1959) everybody in the oil business has been making money hand over foot by sticking to the basic script:
This is Adam Smith capitalism at its best.
What kind of maroon would step outside this box and start collecting data?
My gosh man, there are thousands of drill sites and everybody is happy in shit, making money. Why start messing things up, upsetting the apple cart, and asking questions? Have you no sense of decency? Have you no shame?
Such was the man named Hubbert.
Such is the man named Matt Simmons.
God bless him.
I would, however, like to see him stop with the headline-grabbing predictions. In this article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9753233/) he talks about the possibility of $40 natural gas and $190 oil this winter.
Someone needs to sit Matt down and explain to him that it helps no one for him to make these kinds of lottery ticket predictions. If he happens to be right, he looks like a genius, but otherwise he looks like just another clueless chicken little.
If he's convinced Bad Things are coming, then he should say so, but without hanging a number on the prediction.
Wait a minute.
This sounds like a huge double standard.
How come you are not out here taking Steve Forbes (Captain Capitalism) on for guranteeing a year ago in his front page editorial of Forbes Magazine that oil would be down below $35 by now and arguing all who are crying "beware" are chicken littles who do not understand the fundamentals of commodities ... that their prices always goes down?
See also:
http://greens.org.au/mediacentre/mediareleases/senatornettle/010905a/view?searchterm=kerry%20forbes
P.S. ... and yes, oil is "down" to $60 today, but get real, 60=/=35 !!!!
How come Steve Forbes gets the Smirking Happy Chimp award for being the messenger of Happy Days Acoming?
And Matt Simmons gets the boot for being a realistic pessimist?
Is it because of our irrational human nature?
Is that the whole basis of our "rational" thunking?
Simmons himself has said that he has advised Bush and Cheney, but noted that he is not close to either one. He strikes me as an honest man, seriously concerned for the country, and hoping that he can contribute to averting, or at least ameliorating, a major economic crisis. More power to him. Murray
He is one who understands the implications from a business point of view. The problem of peak oil is just not geologic, it is also an economic, social and political problem.
Peak Oilers come in all shapes, flavours and occupations.
We do not have to have the same voting records or affliations. What motivates us all is the problem at hand. We need to spend less time amongst ourselves questioning each others motives and more time debating what actions we can take to solve this enormous facing the whole world. There is no silver bullet.
It will need both high tech and low tech solutions. What wee need more is to understand is when and what to use at the right time.
I think one big reason simmons is speaking out is because he has kids and realizes that the rapture is not upon us (or if it is, that's really bad).
The use of the word "may" is key his forward-looking comments - which sometimes end up distorted in the press and appear to be "over the top".
I believe that he senses a "large" role for himself in the evolving energy crisis, much larger than selling his book. I for one am very glad that he is willing to fill that role. He may yet come to be a person of some historic significance. I wish him well.
After 2001 the US government started two wars to reach new potential oil areas - Central Asia through Afghanistan and Iraq (Western Deserts). Especially the timetable of the Iraq war was clearly forced. The goverment obviously believed Simmons and feared that oil prices would start rising considerably and if the price level would reach a very high level already before the war the inevitable additional war effect would cause a severe oil shock. There was no way to know for sure in advance what kind of disturbances the Middle East oil production would suffer during the war.
The oil prices increased about 30% in the beginning of the war - if this would happen now we would have $80 oil. We should remember also that Cheney could get direct information about Saudi production via Halliburton experts in the field. He had probably at least partially the same facts Simmons has used.
But Simmons and the government missed. The 2000 peak was only temporary and the Russians saved the day. There was no significant new oil in Central Asia and quite likely nothing important in the Iraqi deserts. The papers of the Iraqi oil ministry are now in the hands of the Americans. Oil price is high but there are still a lot of supply. Getting more Iraqi oil back online seems not to be very interesting. Nobody is making noise about the fact that the Iraqi situation takes out at least 1 mbpd of supply in stead of adding 1 - 1.5 mpd or even more as advertised.
Now the US has two prolonged and expensive - and futile wars in its hands. Simmons has of course no personal responsibility for this - he didn't make the decisions.
I have thought about this quite a lot.
The fact that he is the polar opposite of the likes of Heinberg and Ruppert, yet saying the same things as they, really makes me sit up and listen.
I think it's possible that Simmons is naive. Someone used the word "geek" above. That may clinch it. I don't see this as an insult (because I'm one, too).
The "personal friend of Bush" stuff nauseates me. But I genuinely LIKE Simmons, I intuitively trust him--BECAUSE he verifies what many, many other peak oil subscribers say from the opposite end of the political claptrap scale.
example:
http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/JulAug99/MS406c2.jpg
Suddenly, I had a flashback.
I had seen these curves before also.
They did nothing for me.
It was just a bunch of graphs claiming they can "see the future".
There are millions of BS graphs like this all around.
So what made me a Peak Oil convert?
It was Matt Simmons.
It was Matt Simmons on CSPAN.
He was talking about horizontal drilling techniques.
It sounded, real, plausible and technically coherent.
And of course, because I had been an engineer, I was interested in paying attention for a moment so I can learn about MODERN MARVELS ... how we humans get our oil now a days.
Then Matt starting talking about 3rd generation extraction techniques and how these were running out of steam IN SAUDIA ARABIA of all places!!!
That is what caught my attention.
That is what triggered me into actually doing some research.
I ran into plenty of gloom-doom-and-whacko Internet sites. But some of the sites had substance to them. Some of the pieces of the puzzle started falling into place.
It started with Matt Simmons.
He knew how to connect.
He is an International Hero.
is replete with many words:
we like step back's poems.
Simmons is, publicly, a single-issue guy, sounding the alarm bell on supply. He has certain political leanings (which he does not trumpet) that put him more in step with the majority of America. And his connections make him more credible, powerful and useful. But he is not a policy maker, and we can't hold him to account for that.
We shouldn't have a peak oil litmus test. We need everyone to know and understand, and to develop and debate solutions. Roscoe Bartlett describes himself as one of the most conservative members of Congress (eek!). But he's right on peak oil, and he's the only one talking, and I hope he lives and legislates until he's 100.
At this stage, I will be an issue-specific ally of anyone who is accurately talking about supply and demand issues. Until we get it through the collective skull that there is a big problem looming, we can't debate solutions. Awareness comes first. Politics comes later.
You would not believe the number of people that actually believe there are cars that run on water. Hell, even Mancow tells his listeners the same.. I talk about peak oil to many different people and may times I get the response that "they have cars that run on water" so why should I worry..
SO there are many people that believe cars can be made to run on water...
I've heard the same from elderly family members. Somewhere around World War II or shortly after, a rumor started circulating around that this inventor had found a magic pill you put in water to convert the water into automobile fuel. The rumor continued that Detroit was very upset and somehow got the government to shut this guy down. It's all part of the conspiracy theory about the "They" who have a secret way to energize the world but are holding back because "they" make more money with oil.
How sad that so many people buy into this kind of wishful thinking. I guess the magic fuel pills are buried in a bunker in Area 51 right next to the bodies of the crashed aliens, huh?
Google tells me that Capp inspired these guys:
http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/dec97/car1.html
Thank you for the link.
This is far from a comical idea if combined with the right auxiliary technologies --Thank you.
You can add a little propane and butane to pipelines in the south in the summer but you better make sure that your gas is "dry" in the winter or you will have pipelines clogging.
On the topic of new energy sources, has anyone studied quantum nucleonic reactors at all?
Such reactors appear to be safe, do not involve creation of weapons materials at all (hafnium-178 is used), and the reaction shuts down entirely if gamma rays are removed to initiate the reaction. Because of these features, the Air Force is considering prototyping an aircraft to use a quantum nucleonic reactor engine for flight power.
All told, this looks like a promising energy source for not only aircraft but perhaps for rail as well. A rail system powered off quantum nucleonic reactors would help immensely in allowing people to travel and in shipment of goods instead of by truck.
Here's a reference article from the University of Texas at Dallas that discusses the Essential Fundamentals of Quantum Nucleonics. Note that they are very careful to emphasize that this is not a nuclear reaction.
http://www.eventempinc.com/stcroix/stoves/stoves.html
The Prescott is rated for 800 to 1800 SF spaces (quite a range!); we have about 950 SF. We installed the stove between our Dining and Living areas, and vented it right next to the brick furnace chimney. It was a demo so we didn't have to break it in. The controls are very simple and it starts and stops easily. The blower makes a bit more noise than I was expecting, but is nowhere near as loud as the NG furnace intermittently blowing air through the ductwork.
At the lowest pellet feed setting our thermostat showed about 74 degrees on a chilly, windy weekend. The stove housing gets hot, but not enough to burn your flesh. I do have to get a battery backup because w/o power, smoke can backup into the house.
From Friday to Sunday afternoon, we ran it only a few hours at a time because it put out much more heat than we needed. I was adding insulation to the basement on Saturday, and warm air seems to make its way down there, too. Sunday night was chilly, so we ran it all through the night and awoke Monday to a very warm house. We are pleased so far.
I just finished a P/Q versus Q plot of the North Sea. The results are referenced below in the following essay.
In Chapter Three of Kenneth Deffeyes' recent book, "Beyond Oil," Dr. Deffeyes outlined a simplified version of the technique that M. King Hubbert successfully used to predict the peak of U.S. Lower 48 oil production.
There are two knowns: annual production (P) and cumulative production to date (Q). One plots P as a percentage of Q versus Q (P/Q versus Q). After some initially noisy data, the plot settles down into a steady linear progression. One can extrapolate the plot down to where P is effectively zero, which gives us total estimated cumulative production (Qt).
As expected, Lower 48 production peaked at 50% of Qt. Texas peaked at 54% of Qt. The North Sea peaked at 52% of Qt. By the way, North Sea oil production is crashing--now down 20% since its 1999 peak. North Sea oil production is critically important since they produce light, sweet crude oil.
Saudi Arabia is currently at 55% of Qt. The world is currently at about 50% of Qt.
The Oil Drum Blog had a lengthy discussion of the Hubbert/Deffeyes method, at:
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2005/9/29/3234/46878
So far, once a country/region has decades of serious production, we have seen no exceptions to the "Hubbert Linearization" discussed above. Also, we have generally only seen production declines significantly prior to the 50% of Qt mark because of political problems, e.g., the Iranian Revolution in 1979.
So far, what we have never seen is increasing production beyond about 55% of Qt. This implies that Saudi Arabia--and the world--are right at the cusp of production declines. Interestingly enough, the Saudis appear to be desperately trying to ramp up their drilling program, and world crude oil + condensate production is basically flat year over year, showing essentially zero increase in oil production.
We tried an aggressive drilling program in Texas after production peaked in 1972. When oil prices went up by 1,000%, we saw the biggest drilling boom in state history. As a consequence, the number of producing oil wells in Texas increased by 14% in the 10 years after 1972. However, oil production fell by 30% over the 10 year period after peak production. The bottom line was that the smaller fields that were being found could not make up for the declines from the old large fields like the East Texas Field.
If you wish, I can send you PDF files showing P/Q versus Q plots for Texas and the North Sea. Basically, once you have seen one P/Q versus Q plot, you have seen them all.
Based on the P/Q versus Q plots, at current rates of consumption, North Sea reserves will only last for 10 years, the Lower 48 for 14 years and Saudi Arabia for 23 years. What this obviously implies is that all three regions are going to show sharp production declines. Two of these regions are already showing--exactly as predicted--ongoing production declines. The question is Saudi Arabia, and as Matt Simmons pointed out in his recent book, "Twilight in the Desert," almost all of the Saudi's current production is coming from old oil fields.
What about the widely heralded tar sands? Since 1999, for every three barrels of new oil production per day from Canadian tar sands, conventional Canadian oil production has fallen by one bpd. Also, it takes the energy equivalent of one barrel of oil to process tar sands into three barrels of usable oil. Therefore, the Canadian oil industry has to produce three bpd of oil from tar sands to have one net incremental bpd of oil, on a net energy basis. Each incremental bpd of new oil production probably represents a total capital investment by the Canadian oil industry of well in excess of $100,000 per new net incremental bpd of oil production. This gives us an idea of just how hard--and expensive--it is going to be to materially raise oil production.
For example, on a year over year basis, total Canadian oil production has fallen slightly.
FYI--Matt Simmons and James Kunstler will be presenting a seminar on: "The Unfolding Energy Crisis and its Impact on Development Patterns" in Dallas on 11/1/05.
More information and ticket ordering at: www.smu.edu/esp
Jeffrey Brown
I'm a lay reader who is wracked with doubt over peak oil because of my lack of specialty in the subject. Thanks for reminding us that it can be easy to understand.