Bloomberg: Goldman's Murti Says `Peak Oil' Risks Sending Prices Above $105

Dec. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc. analyst Arjun Murti, who roiled oil markets in March by saying crude may reach $105 a barrel, now says that may be conservative if the ``peak oil'' theory is right and world supplies are running out. (link)
 The belief that the world's oil supply is close to an irreversible drop is no longer ``on the fringes'' of the market, said a research report by New York-based Murti, who forecasts oil of $50 to $105 a barrel until 2009.

So if oil stays at $51/barrel until 2009, does this count as a "correct" prediction?

I mentioned this a week or two back:

This is how I expect peak oil to announce itself to the world unless some major geopolitical supply disruption occurs:

  1. Oil supply remains tight, just about meeting demand as perceived by the USA, occasional minor disruptions like hurricanes and demand peaks due to cold or hot weather bumping the price up and up, never quite falling back to previous levels.

  2. After a year or so of this there will be excuses of delayed projects causing temporary supply constraints, prices continue to bump up, now above $100 bbl.

  3. Another year and supply is getting still tighter, price is forced up beyond $200 bbl, excuses won't wash - $10 gas in USA getting hard to ignore, some major world leader says "Peak oil is here" and we must ration oil.

  4. sounds kinda familiar, don't it? Expect 2. to become apparent in 2006, and 3. to follow in 2007 or 2008.

What I really expect to happen is stages 1 and 2 of the whimper, then the bang. Best guess for that: October 2007 give or take a year.

If peak oil isn't just about happening you can expect the price of oil to drop back below $50 by mid 2006 and stay there for several years as new supply comes online without being offset by even greater declines in existing production.

When I saw this "UBS AG analyst James Hubbard, a former oil engineer at Schlumberger Ltd., said an inevitable decline in supply will start sooner and be worse than expected unless investment increases for many years." in the article I thought: hmmm, does that [emboldened] count as the start of phase 2 above?

We should know the probable outcome within a year - $50 oil or $stratospheric oil. Perhaps we can expect to welcome Mr Murti as a recruit to imminent peak oil in about six months or so ;)

Thanks for your predictions. I will keep the salt handy, but unnnnfortunately I think/feel similiarily. As I struggle to get our  house in order my biggest concern is the possibility of the markets crashing. Some say we have much better protective mechanisms and a crash is not likely- just a grinding down. My instinct is that Knowing we've peaked the markets would panic. I know when I learned of peak oil 5/05 I knew life would never be the same; oh how deluded I/we have been. I am beginning to think peak will be hidden, and as you said elsewhere in a  very few years we'll be too busy with more important things. Anyway your thoughts re market trouble/price/crash/grind would be greatly appreciated.Thanks.
You're welcome, I'll post what I feel might happen as soon as I can work it out fairly reliably. I don't expect anything significant for maybe nearly 3 months and that should only be the gentle start of things.

Stocks have mostly been trading in a fairly narrow range sideways for over 2 years with only about +/- 5% movement. I think it's pretty likely that the Fed PPT has stepped in to hold a floor on stocks so when that fails there will probably be a 10% drop in fairly swift time. I expect the DJIA to drop to about 10,000 by mid March and lose another 1000 sometime late March / April. Energy, utilities and commodity related stocks still look the wisest sectors, steer well clear of retail and financials.

Some people are suggesting, even though they expect 2 or 3 further Fed rate hikes, that long term real rates (10 year+ bonds etc) may drop to about 4% (currently around 4.4%) during 2006.

"Oil-producing nations are seeking to extend the life of their reserves. Norway, which ranks behind Saudi Arabia and Russia in world oil exports, forecasts its production will peak in 2008. Oil and Energy Minister Odd Roger Enoksen in a Dec. 8 interview said he thinks it will come later."

Talk about delusional thinking.  Norway has already peaked, and the North Sea as a whole is crashing--down 25% since its 1999 peak (at 52% of Qt)--EXACTLY as predicted by those peaky Peak Oilers using the Hubbert/Deffeyes Linearization method.  

I would assume that a lot of exports from Norway (in effect, if not actually) are now going to the UK--a former exporter, and now an importer.  If one looks at net imports out of the North Sea, this number has to be crashing big time.

 

Yeah, what's up with that?  There's a discussion of this in the Open Thread, and Norway has admitted they are past peak.  Why does this article make it sound they still expect production to increase?
Yeah - check out the intercept on this.  Hard to believe they are going to pull this out of the fire.

(Sorry--trying to answer a phone call and type at the same time.)
Corrected:

Talk about delusional thinking.  Norway has already peaked, and the North Sea as a whole is crashing--down 25% since its 1999 peak (at 52% of Qt)--EXACTLY as predicted by those pesky Peak Oilers using the Hubbert/Deffeyes Linearization method.  

I would assume that a lot of exports from Norway (in effect, if not actually) are now going to the UK--a former exporter, and now an importer.  If one looks at net exports out of the North Sea, this number has to be crashing big time.

But everyone is claiming that the Winter is not that bad in the NorthEast, that gas prices are just going to fall real soon.

My city (Huntsville Alabama, home to Marshall Space Flight Center and To a BIG Army base just getting bigger) has all these new road expansion plans, are in fact about 40% done ( never can tell they are doing work on it over to big an area ) and still churning away, just in time for the folks to have a big old bike path with hills and dips.

I have driven about 100 miles in the last 2 months all total, down from 150 a week.  Oh yeah I am un-employed, though have fallen off the roles ( Stats are such nice tweekable things ).  

 I have given up trying to explain to people why the market and the gas prices are so mean to them. Just read it in the Headlines!

I share your frustration, really, but we can NEVER give up on education.  

There's still an immense gap between what even the non-formally trained people here (like me; my economics degree doesn't really count) know about peak oil and gas and what the mainstream knows.  It's our responsibility to close that gap.

I don't know where in the NE those people are that have been claiming it hasn't been cold...

Since Thanksgiving it has been pretty frigid for overnites up here in the Catskills (NY) - solid stretches of single digit lows and at least a couple -10 to -15 nights.

I work outdoors and I actually thought the cold weather hit quick and hard after a first part of the autumn which was pretty mellow (temps anyways).

December in Grand Rapids has averaged 7.5F below normal and has had 21 consecutive days of snow. What is happening is air masses are currently about 1000 miles farther south than normal. It's one of the more obscure predictions of GW modeling. In a few weeks temps could swing to the other extreme. More energy in the atmosphere causes greater displacement of air masses from previous averages.
My morning 0.7 mile walk to work yesterday morning happened in weather that weather.com described as "3 degrees, feels like -11". That wind? Right in my face.
I'm feeling a bit moody today....
"Most commentators, putting aside the depletion argument, do take the view that at least over that period through 2010 supplies will be made available", said John Waterlow, an analyst at Wood Mackenzie Consultants Ltd. in Edinburgh.
I agree entirely. Ignoring the depletion argument, I see no supply problems out to 2010 or well beyond, for that matter.
Norway, which ranks behind Saudi Arabia and Russia in world oil exports, forecasts its production will peak in 2008. Oil and Energy Minister Odd Roger Enoksen in a Dec. 8 interview said he thinks it will come later.

``We had thought we would very quickly see a strong drop in oil production, but now we expect to keep it at a plateau for longer,'' he said.
Norway Production (BP -- year/kbd)
2001 3418
2002 3333
2003 3264
2004 3188

Yes, I can see that it will plateau for a bit longer.


Odd Roger Enoksen
[Exxon Mobil Corp. President Rex Tillerson] in September told the World Petroleum Congress in Johannesburg that a U.S. Geological Survey estimate of 2 trillion barrels of conventional oil reserves still to be recovered is conservative, with the range of possibility as high as 7 trillion barrels. Less than 1 trillion have been pumped already.
So, Rex, why is your own production dropping? Why would ExxonMobil be quoting the USGS?


Rex hasn't gotten around to
reading his own company
reports yet.
Without a peak in production, Murti expects the price of New York oil to fall to about $35 a barrel in New York between 2010 and 2014. That matches forecasts from Schroders Plc for $35.50 by 2010 and is lower than Merrill Lynch & Co. predictions for $40 to $45 by the end of the decade.
Just like the The Oracle at Delphi!
Upon arriving at Delphi, the supplicants registered and paid a fee; when their appointments neared, they purified themselves at the Castalian Spring, where the bathing trough is still visible. They then proceeded along the Sacred Way, a zigzag flagstone walk up the hill. The Sacred Way was lined with statues and offerings, most of which have long disappeared, although a few surviving examples can be seen in the Delphi Museum....
Glad you've see the light, Dave. Life is much simpler when you put aside that annoying depletion argument. The Delphic oracle is appropriate for several reasons:

"New evidence for the geological origins of the ancient Delphic oracle"
J.Z. de Boer, J.R. Hale, J. Chanton
Geology (2001): Vol. 29, No. 8, pp. 707-710.
 

Ancient tradition linked the Delphic oracle in Greece to specific geological phenomena, including a fissure in the bedrock, intoxicating gaseous emissions, and a spring. Despite testimony by ancient authors, many modern scholars have dismissed these traditional accounts as mistaken or fraudulent. This paper presents the results of an interdisciplinary study that has succeeded in locating young faults at the oracle site and has also identified the prophetic vapor as an emission of light hydrocarbon gases generated in the underlying strata of bituminous limestone.

Other descriptions of these hydrocarbons refer to them as "hallucinogenic." So, based on good science, we have evidence that proximity to hydrocarbons can lead to wild prophetic statements. This may explain quite a lot.

I think this is a startling insight - the lack of proximity similarly leads to agressive behavior and intense rapturious expectations
Hydrocarbon fumes "intoxicating"? "Hallucinatory"? Leading to delusions of grandeur, imagined abundance and revelatory prophesy?

It is rare, indeed, when I receive an insight of the magnitude of what you have delivered here for all of us today, Rick. My humble thanks.
Knida like our own "Debacle at Delphi".  I think they have that zigzag thing going too - not sure about the statues and offerings.........