On Low Quality Hydrocarbons (Part I)
Posted by Stuart Staniford on September 21, 2005 - 11:49pm
Topic: Supply/Production
Many peak-oil sceptics believe these resources will save our high-acceleration gasoline-powered lifestyle. In this two part series, I'll look at some models of how such a transition might occur.
Although all of these resources differ in exactly how they are obtained, they are similar in that they are much more expensive to extract - requiring lots of capital, energy input, etc, to produce a useful output. One measure of this is the EROEI - the energy return on energy invested - how much energy you have to put in to to extract and make usable a resource versus how much you get out. In the early years of conventional oil, EROEI was often over 50. These days it's probably in the low teens (10-12). EROEI on LQHCs tends to be around 3.
However, the total amount of these resources is at least as big as the world's endowment of conventional oil, perhaps significantly bigger depending on eventual recovery rates. Canada has nearly 2 trillion barrels of tar in the tar sands, though only 300GB are currently viewed as recoverable, Venezuela has 1.4 trillion barrels of extra heavy oil, though recovery rates are unlikely to ever exceed 20%. Colorado has entire mountains of oil shale. The governor of Montana has argued that Montana has enough coal to provide the US with all the syncrude it needs for 40 years.
Folks who are sceptical that peak oil will be a significant problem are fond of pointing to these resources. For example, a Hubbert linearization analysis makes it fairly clear that CERA is relying on these resources to support its optimistic view that peak oil production will be a bumpy plateau several decades long. On the less thoughtful end, Marshall Brain used them to argue oil depletion would not be a problem.
Alternatively, folks who are very concerned about peak oil tend to discount these resources. Deffeyes in his book Beyond Oil says:
As the Middle East swings into its decline phase, a rapid and enormous investment in tar-sand facilities would be required. In my opinion, the preliminary steps to acquire government permits, investment capital, and construction capability are not going forward on a scale large enough to postpone the Hubbert Peak.Hirsch argues that coal-to-liquids will be the dominant mode of adaptation for vehicular transport post peak, but that we need to start work on it twenty years in advance of conventional oil peak to avoid a significant liquid fuels crisis. We probably didn't start twenty years in advance.
I have argued elsewhere that the main variable controlling our ability to adapt to peak oil is the post-peak depletion rate. Gentle depletion (a few percent a year) give us time to develop and deploy conservation technologies, better electric cars, more nuclear and renewable electricity generation, etc. On the other hand, rapid depletion means we will be running out of liquid fuels faster than we can develop these alternatives and will be in a world of hurt. I deliberately defined the depletion rate there to be inclusive of LQHCs, since you can't tell the difference when you pump it into your tank at the gas station.
Now clearly, the depletion rate of conventional oil is moderated by the ramp-up in production of LQHCs. If LQHCs could be ramped up fast enough they could fully offset depletion, and maybe even allow continued growth in liquid fuel use (with some non-trivial climatic consequences). If not, then we indeed have a bad problem.
The arguments for saying we have a bad problem tend to be threefold. One comes from looking at the relatively modest expansion plans of the industry right now and arguing they aren't sufficient to offset depletion in conventional crude, either because peak is coming soon, or because we extrapolate that the industry in future won't be able to expand much faster than it is at present. The second argument comes from looking at the poor EROEI of these fuels and suggesting this fundamentally limits the ability to grow the usage of these fuels. And the third issue is the climate implications of burning all that gunk.
Let's dig into the problem in more detail with a little scenario analysis.
The situation today is that conventional oil production (including NGL but excluding LQHCs) is around 83mbpd (depending on whose production statistics you like), while production from LQHCs is around 1.6mbpd. (1mpbd from tar sands and about 600,000 mbpd from Venezuelan extra-heavy oil). We're going to take two scenarios for conventional oil production.

Our worst case scenario is that it's peak now (as Deffeyes has argued, and as the absence of any worldwide spare capacity might suggest), and that annual depletion will go 3% in 2007, 6% in 2008, 9% in 2009, and then consistently 12% after that. Ie the whole world is going to start behaving like the North Sea (which has started depleting at 10-15% annually).
My mild case assumes that CERA is right that a bunch of new deep water projects will allow production to grow at 2% annually until 2010, and then depletion will set in, rising quickly to a sustained rate of 5% annually.
I believe the truth will lie somewhere between these two scenarios, but I wouldn't like to try to pin it down too exactly just yet.

Now, if we would like post-peak total hydrocarbon fuel to be flat, instead of declining, the balance is going to have to be made up from the LQHCs. Just above are the LQHC production numbers needed to do that under the two scenarios. Note that these are net numbers (ie after whatever must be burned just in getting the stuff out of the ground and into a usable form). These numbers are whatever we can actually pump in the pipeline from Canada or Colorado or put into a a tanker in Venezuala. I also stress this is what is required to get flat global production. Not flat production per-capita, and certainly not business-as-usual 2% annual liquid fuels growth post conventional oil peak.
On the face of it, these graphs don't seem outrageous given the enormous size of the resource. But there's a problem, which I would like to christen the Hirsch gap in honor of the lead author on the Hirsch report.

The problem is clear in the graph above which looks at the approximate annual growth in LQHC net production required to balance the depleting conventional oil. You can see the growth rates needed are astronomical, even under the mild scenario. The problem is that when you have a really big production stream (conventional oil), and a little tiny production stream (LQHCs), it takes very large growth rates in the latter to compensate for even modest depletion rates in the former. Are these outlandish looking growth rates likely to be feasible?
This is why Hirsch thinks we needed to have started adapting twenty years prior to peak - to avoid having to grow LQHCs that fast (or experience the consequences of failing to do so). The problem ameliorates over time as the LQHCs become the dominant source of production and don't need to grow that fast to compensate for the depletion in the little remaining crude production.
In the second part of the series we'll look at physical restrictions on how fast poor-EROEI fuel production can grow, how the required rates compare to industry's current plans, and the CO2 implications of using LQHCs.



It's already here, and it's been here for a long time. It's not here outside of South Africa (which achieved petroleum independence through Sasol's CTL technology) because the breakeven price for Sasol CTL is around $40/bbl, and international energy companies still have a $30/bbl breakeven ceiling on investments in new projects.
Even Sasol, which has experienced a tremendous windfall from current crude prices, uses the $30/bbl ceiling:
"GIULIETTA TALEVI: Getting back to that oil price - we�ve seen it spike up recently to $70 a barrel - can you tell us what the average price you achieved over the period was, and where you see that price going for example in the next year?
PAT DAVIES: The average price we achieved is $44.40 a barrel for the year. We believe it�s very high at the moment, and things such as Hurricane Katrina and other impacts have made it even higher than it normally would have been - so we expect it will stay fairly high in the next couple of months. But then, say, in a twelve-month period out it would be between $45 and $50 is our best guess, but it�s very difficult to estimate.
GIULIETTA TALEVI: You�ve got a much more conservative estimate when it comes to planning for future investments - you�re talking about oil being at $30 a barrel - can you explain why there�s such a big difference as far as the investment outlook is concerned?
PAT DAVIES: Yes. This is really just to be conservative - obviously oil prices have fluctuated quite a lot over the last 50 years, and when they�re high everyone believes they�ll stay high, when they�re low everyone believes they�ll stay low - so while we�re all pretty bullish that oil prices are going to stay reasonably high, not at the current $60 level, they�ll come off that. But for investment purposes - where one is investing large amounts of money into projects that need to run for 20 or 25 years - then one needs to be more conservative, and ensure that they�re profitable even at lower prices. That�s why we take a conservative $30 a barrel view at this point in time."
http://transcripts.businessday.co.za/cgi-bin/transcripts/t-showtranscript.pl?1126573326
Once the investment planning ceiling exceeds the breakeven cost for CTL, you'll see huge investments, and CTL will be everywhere. Until then, publicly-traded corporations have a fiduciary responsibility not to build it.
in the first 6 months of this year and only part of this was due to the
fire at Suncor.
Economies can handle shocks. We have to have a shock. Or a couple. Major ones. That will help to get political minds and the populace in line, similar to the way people accepted 55 mph during the last shocks.
There is an enormous amount of demand destruction--with attended lowered standard of living and job losses--that is available with the appropriate shove across the tipping point. Lovely Rita must might do the trick? I think not. We need a real shock that starts resolving all the global investment imbalances.
There is a path to the other side. A path through the bottle neck. People don't model it cause they don't know how. Too complicated. But with all the great work at places like this, we're getting there.
Get a history book, there is a good example of demand destruction, look at 1929, you know, when disemployement hit 50 %, the soup lines, the nazi coming to power at Germany...
THAT is demand destruction...and demand destruction isn't nice thing to happen.
João Carlos
Sorry my bad english, my native language is portuguese.
Peak oil is so much bigger than just a bunch of static charts and depletion rates. It will dig straight to the bone of our civilization. It will and already has, changed the face of my beloved country. In a mere 5 years we have gone from superpower of last resort,to the biggest bully on the planet. And it only gets worse from here on out. If even the best case scenario is what we have to look forward too, then God help us all!!
Robert NW Ohio
I guess I am too cynical to think that people will do this out of altruism. It is far too ingrained in our nature for us to do whatever the hell we want. The only thing that will force a more responsible attitude is higher prices. For gas, for meat, , for oversized housing, etc. With higher prices, people will figure out how to adapt on their own.
The transition will take time, of course, and aspects of this are outside of the control of the individual. Things like availability of mass transit, for example.
I've read history. I'm familiar with the pain of demand destruction. Accept it. The dream of five TVs and three cars, the dream of living in a suburb 60 miles from your place of work, and 20 miles from the nearest major thoroughfare, must end.
My point is clear. I do not believe alternatives will make up the difference. At some point, significant demand destruction will be necessary in order to shake up the tree, at least here in the US.
You can propose alternatives. I try to be as realistic as possible when approaching this topic.
Please propose what you think WILL HAPPEN. That is what I am discussing. What will happen. Based upon the best of my intution, looking at the numbers (CERA, ASPO, Reynolds, etc etc) and considering economic issues and human nature, the politics of the US, etc.
So please please tell me WHAT YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN. The world is living beyond its means. Money is sloshing around going into investements that are dead ends (condo towers, etc). It won't stop until there is a collision.
Alternative are welcome. We can put together all kinds of depletion graphs, economic/geolocic depletions graphs, but that does not tell us what will happen. We can describe what we SHOULD do. But in my opinion, starting with the Reagan years in the 1980s, the vision of a free party, of techno-tax-cut utopia, has been ingrained in the thinking of the American people. They then pull out argument after argument: WE WON THE COLD WAR, ENERGY WAS CHEAPER, AMERICA IS THE KING OF THE WORLD. This has to be knocked out. Energy must be more expensive enough so that people make a conscious choice when getting into that car to drive to the corner store. They don't now.
So yes, we can pretend. We can invision a perfect future. Or we can be realists, accept what must come, and work with it. What must come, in my mind, maybe in a year, maybe in five years, maybe in ten years, is demand destruction.
Alternatives are more than welcome.
Given the context of your previous article suggesting rough 4% and 11% depletion rate cutoffs as far as impact on civilization, I think you're being a little pessimistic by trying to get LQHC to cover all depletion, rather than, say, lower 6% or 12% depletion to 3% depletion or the like. In other words, the situation may be milder than the "mild case" and is probably not as bad as the worst case if we're just wondering what the odds are of civilization surviving.
This may just be outside the article's scope, but do you see no future for thermal depolymerization as a significant low-quality oil source? Have to consider all the angles.
I haven't studied thermal depolymerization much yet.
Some bad decisions have been made. Undoing them will be painful.
BTW - great post Stuart. I'm a big fan of your analyses.
They will win the elections again...
And the american public will give the victory to these guys because, you know, they are macho and USA need fight "the terrorists"...
There was a story on public radio about Hummers in Paris. With gas at 7$/gallon, it costs about $250 to fill the tank. If you used this as a daily driver, and filled once a week, you are looking at $13,000/Yr. There will always be people rich enough to do this, of course. They claimed that sales were still strong - I guess that says something about the demographic that is buying the things. Ultimately the demand for those things will have to collapse though.
http://www.sustainableliving.info/fading_of_the_oil_economy_recession_overview.htm
But as in the above rather 'market forces' piece, Hubbert foresaw the implications -
"Our window of opportunity is slowly closing... at the same time, it probably requires a spiral of adversity. In other words, things have to get worse before they can get better. The most important thing is to get a clear picture of the situation we're in, and the outlook for the future - exhaustion of oil and gas, that kind of thing - and an appraisal of where we are and what the time scale is. And the time scale is not centuries, it is decades."
Sadly, no-one listened, it is no longer decades.
The bottom line is that there is no alternative for cheap energy, and adapting to high cost eneergy will bring massive unemplyment and social dislocation. Highly unpalatable. Likely to be true. No escape.
So we all know that transportation is the problem not electricity.
---Best Case-(economy good,environment good)---
So we all know that a renewable, no-carbon-emissions economy is the best case (with strong (and not-greedy) leadership from national governments)but here is what i think could happen
---Medium Case (good for rich people)-(economy good,environment bad)---
USA, EU and Asia ramp up LQHCs production soon and fast. This is possible with strong (and greedy) leadership from national governments. Whole sectors of economy disappear and all the people have to be retrained and relocated to help build LQHCs and fill in holes in manual labor force (office workers become farm workers). Poor countries economies suffer the most and poor people suffer the most (big suprise). In the short-term everything seems fine and then global warming kicks in and things get worse.
---Medium Case (good for poor people)-(economy bad, environment good)---
USA, EU and Asia wait to long to begin transistion and the crash makes poor countries independent and everybody moves from cities to countries to farm. This is most possible with poor leadership from national goverments. Everybody reorganize around renewable energies and no global warming.
---Bad Case-(economy bad, environment bad)---
USA, EU and Asia wait to long to begin transistion and the crash makes poor countries independent and everybody moves from cities to countries to farm. Rich country leadership goes crazy and uses LQHCs to reconquer the world and global warming kicks in. (long emergency)
The 3 main factors in this were national leadership, global warming and HQHC supply destruction.
I personally think that the (good for rich people) Medium Case will happen and global warming be the problem of the future. (not really problem but 'guiding force')
(science fiction on global warming:
Forty Signs of Rain by Kim Stanley Robinson)
(fiction movie about human rights:
LORD OF WAR)
I do think that in spite of the Iraqi fiasco there are still lots of people in Washington that consider seriously attacking Iran thus killing two birds with one shot - securing a strategical resource and suffocating China. I even fear that the second goal has greater importance than the first one. I even imagine them think "If we have control of the Middle East while oil production from the rest of the world is declining - then the world is effectively ours". This strategy could explain why US administration is doing actually NOTHING for lessening oil dependance. Even zero cost measures like (serious) CAFE standards or lower highway speed limits are not even under consideration.
http://www.rand.org/publications/MG/MG414/
Excerpt: "Under high growth assumptions, an oil shale production level of 1 million barrels per day is probably more than 20 years in the future, and 3 million barrels per day is probably more than 30 years into the future."
Here's a report on Gauging the Prospects of a U. S. Oil Shale Industry from the Rand Corporation which does not have that breathless "oh wow" quality of the Rocky Mountain News article cited.Also, the in-situ method does require some water in order to work. From the News article: "And we've hardly gotten to the really ingenious part yet. While the rock is cooking, at about 650 or 750 degrees Fahrenheit, how do you keep the hydrocarbons from contaminating ground water? Why, you build an ice wall around the whole thing." It's hard to know how much water a commercial operation would require bbut I'll bet Shell's got numbers on that. There is little water available on the Western Slope here in Colorado, a situation which will be getting worse in the future.
What Shell is doing in Colorado was done much bigger and better by the Swedes in WW-II. Shell's successes are small and unimpressive. They have not broken any new ground here in anything they have done. And don't believe them when they say the process does not use water. In fact don't believe them at all.
Oil shale and tar sands do not belong in the same category. Tar sands have gone through the pyrolysis reaction and have been converted from kerogen to hydrocarbon. Oil shale has never gone through this reaction. Parts of the tar sand resource are producible as "cold hydrocarbons" (parts of Peace River for example). No oil shale will "give up" any of its hydrocarbons without heating the rock up to 350 to 400 deg C.
If you want to know more about this, I wrote about it at the attached link.
http://beastsbelly.blogspot.com/2005/08/common-misconceptions-about-peak-oil.html
Which is why I said, starting this thread offEven the Rand data seemed hopeless to me. If oil shale prospects are even worse than that, it doesn't surprise me. Quoted EROEI estimates in the 3 to 3.5 range seem unrealistically optimistic to me. Also, there are obviously big technical "challenges" that have not been solved. I hope Stuart takes this into account when he does Part II of his excellent post.
During WW2 in sweden we had a surplus of electricity, a fair ammount of wood for heating and lacked coal and most of all oil.
The process to get oil out of a layer of oil shale a few m thick some tens of m to the surface were to drill an array of closly spaced holes and proceed in a line across an area. First the ground water pumps advanced and I guess there also were permanent pumps around the perimeter. The idea were to get rid of any water that could transport away the heat from the process. Then there were lines of resistive heaters lowered into the holes and following them lines of condensors connected to the holes where the outgassing from the heated layers where cooled with ambient air and the condensate and gas collected.. All these systems were constantly batchwise moved forward on railtracks. Heat leaking forward was productive het, the ammount leaking sidewas were small due to the lenght of the line and heat leaking backwards were used for the last stages of extraction but most heat energy were left of the layer to cool off during decades of noxious seepage to the surface. An idea never pursued was to use that heat by building a greenhouse on top of the area to use the "free heat" left from the process. I guess oil was to cheap for that idea to make sence and the grocerys might have gotten a slightly tarry taste. :-)
No water needed but lots and lots of electricity and a disregard for the local environment.
With all the demands for gas in the future how will we make this amount of gas available for making oil??
The political implications are a little frightening, particularly in the US. We've got a faith-based post-modernist reality-be-damned collection of leaders at this time whose primary response to problems is ideological and public relations to gain political advantage.