St Louis Renewable Energy Conference - Day 2

(Ed note - forgive the tenses, this was written late last night)

It should be remembered, in considering the nature of this conference, that it marks a significant step forward in the changes in supply that America's fuel will have to see. While there are many questions that can be raised about energy costs, nevertheless there is currently a major growth occurring in the number of plants that will supply ethanol, and thus in the amount that will be available to the general public. To those who ask "where will all the corn come from?" comes the answer from a farmer, that "that sure makes a difference from wondering if you are going to have a market, and at what price." From the presentations I heard yesterday and today, it seems that the energy future can be separated into three phases; the immediate short-term, where ethanol production from corn will grow to the point that 10% blends become the rule; some 7-10 years from now when cellulosic ethanol will start to provide significant competition; and somewhere beyond that the advent of biodiesel as the more attractive long-term fuel. And in making the first and second of these his platform, to this audience, Vinod Khosla's presentation resonated well.

Already ethanol volume has passed that for exports, to become the second largest market for US corn, according to today's talks, which included one from President Bush, who arrived to give the last keynote of the Conference. And, as a result, we all had to get to the Hall an hour earlier, in order to clear the enhanced security procedures.

The first talk was by ex-CIA Director James Woolsey, now with Booze Allen Hamilton, and Co-Chair of the Committee on the Present Danger, who had been asked to present a review of the first day's discussions. He was the most relaxed and funny of all the speakers at the meeting, and yet his talk was at heart, a sobering reality check on how our "Just-in-time" manufacturing ethic is highly vulnerable when applied to our energy supply. He divided the problem into malignant interference (a tree branch falls in Ohio and 50 million people lose power) and malignant interference, such as when a terrorist attack hits Abqaiq. And yet there is also the risk, on the one hand, that should the current King of KSA die, then rule may pass to the more fundamental Wahhabi faction, with a greater potential risk to American oil supplies. On the other hand, there was the risk that the market could be flooded with product causing investors to lose money and interest. He was dismissive of the Hydrogen Highway initiative, and pointed out that the success of the American railroad system was that the Government reduced the risk to investors by assuring them of the land, but did not tell them how to design the engine, wheels or caboose.

Matt Simmons usual stunning presentation was a little muted, this time. Possibly because, with the added security, the sessions had started late, and the presenters had to make up the time, and so we did not get the usual relaxed Matt. Further this audience was already working toward an energy solution and so it did not have the concern that often impacts a lay audience when hit with this sort of presentation. Matt pointed out that we may have already passed the peak, that stripper wells in the US now out-produce Alaska, and that the natural gas situation is worse than that of the oil. He referred concerned listeners the EIA production records, to show that the world is down 1 mbd over last year. And he pointed out that the current plans for renewable fuel supplies will not meet the shortfall. He differentiated between a voluntary retreat and (the more likely) forced march back that we will soon encounter.

Pat Wood, the immediate past Chairman of Federal Energy Regulatory Commision addressed, in part, the problems of our aged electric grid, which is unable to handle transmission of the power from Wind in the High Plains to the customers who need it on the East Coast. Turbines in North Dakota could supply 40% of the need, the non-trivial detail how the transmission gets paid for, or installed, is a little more complex, however. Yet the experience that he reported from Texas, with Competitive Renewable Energy Zones (CREZ) was reported as successful.

Fred Webber, President of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, described himself as "the skunk at the picnic." He pointed out that fuels and new car models must be developed together if both are to succeed. With over 100 models that get more than 30 mpg he singled out the BMW 7 series as part of the future. (He had driven in one that could, at the flip of a switch change from running on hydrogen to gasoline and vice versa). There are already some 9 million alternate fueled vehicles on the road. He also noted that Vinod Khosla has plans to use the discarded orange peel from orange juice factories as a source for ethanol.

After the break we were back to the more political speeches. First the EPA Administrator, Stephen Johnson, noted that airborne pollutants have been dropping and that we can see a clean energy future, thanks to technology. I was not sure he understood the nature of the audience he was talking to, though he did take credit for a methane landfill outreach program that is providing the equivalent of 890,000 bbl of oil a year in production. He also encouraged the "change a light bulb" program, with the energy savings it could bring.

Raymond Orbach, Undersecretary for Science at DOE (a new post) thought that biofuels would pull us back from the cliff that Matt Simmons projected we were about to fall off. He felt that within 5 years cellulosic ethanol would have proved its commercial viability and thus start the path to significant market penetration. In the long-term such biofuels would provide 30% of the nations transport fuels, and in this light he mentioned the two major proposed new Centers for BioEnergy Research that will each be funded at $25 million each for 5 years. He also noted that, to date, we have optimized plants to produce food, now we need to look at optimizing for fuel.

We got a brief economists view from Keith Collins, Chief economist at the USDA (An economist is one that pours cold water on the bad ideas of others - his quote). He pointed out that in the recent past ethanol has filled 31% of the increased demand for fuel that the nation has seen. Currently 19% of the corn crop goes to ethanol and he projects this rising to 25%. We have seen rising production, from 40 to 160 bushels an acre, and each increase reduces the overall acreage required to meet that need. However, once we move from the most fertile land then we must find new plant varieties to keep up production. Cellulosic ethanol poses significantly greater challenges and he provided this table:

Andy Karsner the Assistant DOE Secretary for Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, brought us close to the end with the note that "everything has been said, but not everybody has said it yet!" He noted that Science, Markets and Policy must all work together if we are to move forward. He spoke more as a businessman looking at the potential for the fuel. He noted that time was not on our side, but expects cellulosic ethanol to have proved itself viable by 2012, so that we can displace 30% of foreign fuels within just over a decade beyond that. However, we must not only do the right things, we must also do them right.

And as a final speech of the regular program, Tom Dorr, Under Secretary at USDA for Rural Development, felt that this challenge provided the greatest opportunity for wealth creation in the history of the nation. We are at the start of a profound change and yet have barely reached the 10th milestone on a long journey that lies ahead of us. He had been responsible for the Conference, and must therefore have been quite pleased to see this effort rewarded by the appearance of a final speaker.

Following about a half-hour wait, and the arrival of the White House Press Corps (I wondered if writing for this blog would have got me credentialed to that group today) Pesident Bush strode out from behind the curtains, and gave a 30-minute talk (with one demonstrator being hauled off about half way through). It was very much along the lines of the Energy Plan that he has proposed, and to that extent there was no new material. His presence however underscored the successful nature of the current view of the program. He mentioned the need for more exploration in the Gulf of Mexico, and recognized that Louisiana should get more money from that. (He used the recent results from Jack 2 to suggest we might have doubled our oil reserves). He felt we should permit more NG exploration offshore, and LNG terminals onshore. He also promoted clean coal technology, wind, solar and nuclear contributions, pointing out that technology means that investing in these will not be a zero sum game. And he liked the idea of the plug-in hybrid, that runs for the first 20 miles on batteries, though not being that ideal for the rural population it would have attraction in the more dense suburbs.

And the Conference was over - yes I learned a fair bit about the prospects for ethanol, corn ethanol will likely double, though production issues will start to have an impact, and cellulosic is further away and a bit more questionable than I had thought before coming. Biodiesel got much less mention than I had thought, and algal production thereof was mentioned on one exhibit poster (if you wanted to interpret the phrasing right). It must be further into the future than cellulosic.

For my errors and omissions please forgive me - there were times I could not write fast enough. The proceedings will be sent out as a CD in about 4 weeks I gather, and will likely be on the Agency web pages.

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Thanks for the write-up, it was very interesting.
"Currently 19% of the corn crop goes to ethanol and he projects this rising to 25%."

And yet, thus far, Ethanol has only provided 31% of the increased demand for fuel. Given the already large percentage of the corn crop that is being used, it is remarkable that corn ethanol cannot even take care of increased demand.  Even if we used 50% of the corn crop, we would not be able to take care of increased demand.  Could we even take care of the demand if all current E85 capable vehicles actually used E85?  

Putting even one egg in this particular basket might be overkill.  

HO,

Thanks for the report. I see the theme of the conference is boiling down to "you'll pry this steering wheel from my cold dead hands you damn dirty apes." Or something along those lines.

yea.
the whole situation now very much reminds me of that.
guess I'll just enjoy the ride while it lasts.
don't get me wrong i still hope i can survive whats coming, it's just that i do not think realistically i have much of a chance.
Was there anything other than "change your lightbulbs" that talked about conservation or is it all still about supply side right now?

Did anyone address the conflict between food vs fuel issues related to corn to ethanol?

-Chris

This was oriented toward supply, rather than conservation, and thus the conservation aspects did not really come up much.  Matt Simmons suggested that we start looking at re-arranging work so that more folk could do it at home, and cut down on the traffic, but other than that I can't immediately remember any other comments.

There was some debate over fuel vs food, the comment that ethanol has overtaken exports carried a comment about the potential problem this raised.  However Monsanto were assuring folk about the increases in yields that they could project, which would resolve that worry.  However since there is some effort to change the optimal parameters of corn to aim them toward better fuel production it may lead to a farmers choice as to which seed he buys, rather than the current decision as to where he sells the results.

I can see it already.  The food crop gets killed from drought so they start staring at the fuel corn and reassuring us, that hey, it's ok to eat after all!  Whether it is or not be damned.

Or even opposite that, the fuel corn doesnt make it so the food corn is used up instead.  Both choices seem plausible.

Kind of makes me think about our biggest travel day, Thanksgiving.  Do we say our thanks as we start up the cars, just in case the process of getting over the river and through the woods (and off the cliff) leaves less than a feast on the fine china when we get there?  Will there be a there there?

   .. and I just had to bring China into it, didn't I?

You have me wondering what the plan here is for GMO seeds - do companies gain acceptance of GMO corn by saying its all just for fuel? I know some is already being grown here for feedstock and there are concerns about it cross breeding with crops intended for human consumption.

Anyone read "Oryx and Crake" by Margaret Atwood? <shudder>

oh don't remind me of the new 'terminator' seed craze all the bio company's are crazy about.
given enough time i am sure of one thing. humans will turn this planet into a semi-lifeless rock(assuming we don't find a way to kill the extremophiles deep in the crust or deep in the ocean while continuing to pleasure ourselves.
Yup.

Margaret Atwood's "Oryx and Crake" is a great literary look at the future, complete with walled corporate compounds where employees work, live, and essentially live their lives.  Until it blows apart, shall we say....

Atwood's "The Handmaid's Tale" is another superb read.  Atwood pretty well described the bizzarre right-wing cross between religious right and political neo-con, and well before Bush came along.

GMO crops are all about control of plant life forms and the ability to make it impossible for the farmer to grow his own seed crop.  Monsanto has sued farmers for growing GMO corn that they did not even plant, corn that migrated from GMO fields to non GMO fields. Whether or not GMO corn is more productive than conventional corn is a side issue.  It is not about feeding the world less expensively; it is about the money and the ability to make the farmer completely dependent upon the chemical companies like Monsanto.

 

Or mabe there is pollen drift from the fuel corn to the food corn and we wind up eating the fuel stuff whatever the growing conditions are that year :(
This was oriented toward supply, rather than conservation, and thus the conservation aspects did not really come up much.

Contrast with the Community Solutions conference:

"We are no longer attracted by the siren singers of breakthrough technologies that promise us we can continue living in a manner that denies a future for our children," Murphy told conference participants.

"The solutions are not going to come from the same people who created the problem," Murphy said. "The answers are not in the corporations of technology but in the villages and neighborhoods."

And

Heinberg compared the emphasis today on developing alternative energy sources such as wind and solar power to heroin addicts lining the shelves with methadone instead of reducing their heroin use.

"How about if we just start using less oil? That's the only thing that's going to make any difference, because as long as we're lining the shelves with alternatives we're going keep increasing our oil consumption," Heinberg said.

"So the Oil Depletion Protocol goes straight to the problem and says that each nation shall aim to reduce oil consumption by at least the world depletion rate," Heinberg said. He explained that the protocol can be implemented by organizations and individuals who assess their current oil consumption and plan to reduce the total by three percent per year.


http://www.communitysolution.org/06pconf1.html

Quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin - For every 100 people who attack the symptoms of a problem 1 will attack the cause.
Our leaders are in the 100 group.  I suspect that your post will generate less conversation than it should..(!)..(!).  IMHO People collectively want a techno fix - to keep a lifestyle that is not sustainable.  I think Easter Island gives us a look at our future unless disease of somesort restores balance.  
Can we just do the light bulb thing already? Just tax the sh*t out of the old incandescent ones or provide incentives for Compact fluorescents... It's such a no-brainer...
This seems like a pretty downbeat outlook. Even if all goes well it look like we'll be pretty short of fuel if 5 years (probably on the order of 15% at a guess). The possibility of shocks to the system still hangs over the US economy like a sword of damocles. It seems that leadership is lacking. Where are the programs forcing the automakers to improve fuel efficiency by a commensurate 15% over the next 5 years?

All we seem to be getting from the political leadership is more drilling in the deep offshore Gulf of Mexico. Wouldn't these facilities be more susceptible than the current shallow Gulf production facilities?

IMHO the light bulb thing is not that clear cut.  Easy savings for places that do not require heat.  In places where heating is required most of the year then the heat that the compacts don't produce might be replaced by something else.  If you are running air conditioning then I agree 100%.  Arguements can be made on the effeciency factors of conversion of fuel to electricity.  My point being it is not crystal clear - the savings at the bulb.
Very good point and one often missed.

Thinking of my parents, with electric heat, in Ontario, an incandescent bulb actually helps heat their house, 7 months a year.  This would be even more true in the UK where air conditioning is rare.

The tradeoff in my parents case would be different, if they were using gas heat.

Then the tradeoff would be energy produced at a CCGT (55% thermal efficiency) and then transferred to the house (10% transmission loss, say).  (if the calculation is coal, it is completely different again.  Ontario happens to be 60% nuclear or hydro electric in its electricity supply, so a more efficient lightbulb could be a net loss from a global greenhouse gas point of view).

vs.

the efficiency of a gas boiler.  Now a modern 'combi' condensing boiler (no hotwater tank) has a 85-90% rated thermal efficiency

however I'm not sure that is effiency taken on the same basis, and there is (some) transmission loss in gettting the gas to the house

and combi boilers don't work for big houses.

No, light bulbs are inefficient for heating:

CFL's have another advantage: they run cooler. Regular light bulbs generate a lot of heat, making you spend more on air conditioning in the summer. CF's not only use less electricity to provide light, but they don't dump extra heat into your home. (But don't think that this means you should use regular lights in winter; sure they create heat, but they do so inefficiently. When you need  to add heat to your home, light bulbs are the most wasteful way to do it. Short answer, CF's are best no matter what the season.)

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/lighting.html

I noticed an immediate and dramatic drop in my electrical usage by changing to CFLs.  I've been using them since the mid 90's when they first became available.  

Note, they don't work well outside when it's cold.  It takes a long time for them to come to full brightness from a "cold" start.  

Hello, um, excuse me for interrupting, but I just wanted to see if I understood this.

Is this really a discussion about how using different light bulbs will help us deal with peak oil?

Because if it is....

Silver BB's are the hope...I think thats the idea
In an energy constrained future electricity might be needed for rail or ?. Alot of it is produced using nat gas and coal both carbon fuels.  Will it directly help with a lack of oil <no> but conserving it will be important no matter what.  I think we need to be careful about what we embrace - not all things will work in all locations - it isn't that easy.
And Global Warming.

There really are no magic bullets in energy, because it represents the embedded capital of the whole economy (from aluminium smelters through cars through HVAC systems through lightbulbs).

But when one reads that power supplies (as in the 'instant on' feature on appliances, mobile phone chargers etc.) could be as much as 10% of California power demand then one realises that there is much that can be done.

CFLs certainly fit into that rubric.  See the Fast Company article last month on Walmart and CFLs.

As we say here in NC, let me "splain it" to you.  

In a world where the trucking industry believes that homeowners that use oil to heat their homes should be thrown into jail (peak oil threatens the trucking industry's 5% annual growth as they continue to truck the 3,000 mile salad) and that even natural gas heating of homes as well as all gasoline powered cars should be converted to electricity so that more oil is available for transporting "stuff," a (brief) discussion of CFLs is appropriate. This was the stated position at the  NC CAPAG meeting No. 3 on July 25th, 2006.

As an aside, nearly 10% of all "on-road" diesel fuel is burned by trucks sitting and idling in truckstops and other rest areas to meet the driving time requirements of the federal law.

With the electricity demand growth at something over 2% and with this push, I don't think we have anywhere near the generating load that could support even a fraction of this.

Besides, 3% of our electrical load is generated using oil.  It's small compared to other fuels but oil is oiland peak oil will affect the generating capacity.  

Does that connect the missing dots for you?

how about I "splain" something to you. I was not missing anything. I was incredulous at inanity of the discussion.
it's called treating the symptom not the cause because if they would too treat the cause it would end what they don't want to give up witch is how we live today.
in the end it just shuffles around everything but doesn't really remove a thing.
I don't agree with you.  We have to start somewhere.  Changing to CFLs make people feel empowered and they actually work.  It can be done by anyone.  We will never change Congress so this is the next best thing.
Most of that 3% of oil used for generating electricity is for islands.  Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Alaska villages, Northeast islands that don't want wind turbines within sight, etc.  Add some emergency generation.

Alan

 I'm not a lighting engineer however my understanding is that they create both heat and light and this = 100% of the energy they use.  Unless they produce something I'm not aware of like radio waves, I'm missing the point of the rebuttal.
The CFL is the most efficient bulb. If you want to heat with electricity more BTU's are pumped in the house via groundsource heatpump.
This I can understand - thank you!
Down here in Tampa, Florida, we air condition year-round.  Changing all my lightbulbs to CFLs was a no-brainer.  Left the incandescents in the bath and powder rooms as they are on very little and the wife wanted the 'natural' light.  I date them with a felt marker when I install them so I get some idea of how long they last.  They never seem to last as long as they are advertised to (but they do last a long time).  Another point is the generation and transmission losses to the point of use in the house.  These can be up to 200% of the actual amount of electric used in the bulb, so a CFL really saves quite a bit.  The savings are: 1.  They use 1/4 the electric of incandescent 2.  They don't heat up the house and cause the AC to use more electric to cool the house down 3.  They only incurr 1/4 the generation/transmission losses of incandescent 4.  For businesses, they have less labor costs for bulb replacement.  These are really good synergistic effects for a simple product.
He pointed out that in the recent past ethanol has filled 31% of the increased demand for fuel that the nation has seen.

Not on a net basis, though. On a net energy basis, it is next to nothing.

Cellulosic is further away and a bit more questionable than I had thought before coming.

I am writing an essay on this right now. Every time I point out that there are substantial hurdles left to leap, inevitably I get e-mails from a bunch of Silicon Valley computer guys who say that I just don't understand the power of innovation. Of course this is coming from people who don't understand the first thing about how cellulosic ethanol is produced, but as far as they are concerned innovation is all that is needed, and Khosla is the right man for that job.

Read the Chicago Tribune article on ethanol linked to in today's Drumbeat. If you read between the lines, you will see some real pessimism among a lot of people working in this area. This is precisely why I challenged Khosla's claims that cellulosic ethanol is going to produce 200 billion gallons of fuel 20 years from now. It is not a sure thing that we will produce any. Unless they can get the concentrations up higher than 4% ethanol, it will never be economical to purify the ethanol.

Hey Robert,
I am interested in reading your essay but honestly, aren't you sick of writing about ethanol yet? It is impossible to have an intelligent debate about it because no one can predict innovation: we may leap the hurdles or not, no one knows. To even stand on firm ground and describe the hurdles is meaningless too because our current world oil infrastructure was just a laughable idea in the 1850's when the first wells were dug.

Every time you point out a hurdle, someone like me will point out a possible way to jump it. Time will decide who is right, not us posting on this board.

USDA reports US corn yields down

http://southeastfarmpress.com/news/101206-USDA-report/

Grain stockpiles at lowest for 25 years

The world's stockpiles of wheat are at their lowest level in more than a quarter century, according to the US Department of Agriculture, which on Thursday slashed its forecasts for global wheat and corn production.

http://tinyurl.com/y4mqbx

This was precisely what happened in ?1975? when the USSR then had a bad harvest, and bought American wheat in quantity for the first time.

The price went through the stratosphere, and was part of exacerbating the wage-price spiral of the time.