Peak Oil and The Energy Utilization Chain (EUC)
Posted by Nate Hagens on December 22, 2006 - 12:23pm
Topic: Economics/Finance
Tags: economics, net energy, substitution [list all tags]
I met Doug at the recent ASPO/USA conference in Boston. We both were intersted in Charlie Hall's working paper on "The Minimal EROI Required for Society" and struck up a conversation on net energy, and the peaking of Russian oil. I invited him to do some guest posts on his areas of expertise of economics/net energy and Peak Oil/Soviet Union. Below the fold is Doug's guest post on the "Energy Utilization Chain", followed by my comments.

The Maglev Train.
However, the problem from the economics side is that economists are quick to say that substitution is possible, which gives the appearance that the economists--the Julian Simon's Ultimate Resource crowd--have won the day. But they then fail to consider physics and the entropy law. For example if the net energy for an alcohol fueled car is low, then just use a coal fired steam locomotive train instead or use nuclear power to run electric trains. But if that is your substitute you need to ask, how many railroad tracks and electric corridors are you going to need to build, to replace all the automobiles you have? Such infrastructure would take a long time to build, but more than that it would also require a lot of energy. Thus the net energy of the EUC from in-situ energy source all the way to the energy service is important.
One reason oil is so valuable is because it is in the physical state of being a liquid as opposed to a gas or solid. Solar energy is in the form of an energy field, i.e. a field state, which is the lowest state. The state of the energy resource--the energy state grade--explains an additional value of each energy resource. Coal isn't as valuable as oil or natural gas because it has a lower solid state grade which is why you often pay a premium for oil or natural gas over coal. What is particularly great about a liquid energy resource is that you can take a single drop of that resource, burn it, and release the exhaust all within a split second. That has made the internal combustion engine possible which has made Large Independent Mobil Machinery (LIMMs) possible. The internal combustion engine--as opposed to a coal fired steam engine, which is an external combustion engine--has a great power to weight ratio making LIMMs possible. Coal or nuclear power cannot do that. This is why the oil EUC gives the economy such fantastic service.
Nevertheless, the switch to lower state grade energy resources implies more energy use in order to make heavier, clunkier coal steam engines, as well as electric transport systems, fit into the economy. Also electric transport systems will have a number of power losses along the way because power lines often lose a lot of energy due to heating the lines. So the net energy concept needs to expand to look at the entire EUC from original in-situ resource to the energy service that is being provided. Along the way there will be energy inputs needed to simply build new infrastructure.
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Other economic issues besides this must also be included into concepts of the Hubbert curve. Many such economic concepts can be read in my book, Scarcity and Growth Considering Oil and Energy: An alternative neo-classical view.
REFERENCES
Reynolds, Douglas B., (2002) Scarcity and Growth Considering Oil and Energy:
An Alternative Neo-Classical View, sole author academic monograph, The Edwin
Mellen Press, 240 pages.
_________. (2000) "Energy Utilization Chain: Determining Viable Oil Alternative Technology," Energy Sources, Volume 22, Number 3, April, pp. 215-226.
_________. (1999) "Modeling OPEC Behavior: Theories of Risk Aversion for Oil Producer Decisions," Energy Policy, Volume 27, pp. 901-912.






(I will put them in separate comments to organize any discussion).
First the issue of boundaries. As Professor Reynolds points out, an energy technology might have a higher net energy than its fossil fuel counterpart, but when the widest boundaries of inputs are considered, it may not.
There are few standards (so far) in comparing alternative energy technologies on EROIs - some researchers, (like Patzek and Pimental), use more inclusive (in my opinion more correct) boundaries on what they consider as energy inputs (e.g. not only the energy needed to RUN the tractor to harvest the corn but also the energy needed to MAKE the tractor)
I am going to write a post on this soon, but essentially, oil is used in every layer of our societies transport system. It is therefore not enough to measure the energy needed to create a wind turbine, or nuclear plant; we have to include all the ancillary energy used in the highways, delivery of food for employees, delivery of parts, and the delivery of their parts, etc. This type of analysis reduces the `headline energy' and shows just how globally dependent on oil we have become.
Also, though it's hard to do, when comparing energy choices, we should include an energy cost for environmental externalities. If two energy technologies both have 3:1 EROIs but one has double the greenhouse gas emissions, clearly we would choose the other. The harder choice will be if the dirtier technology has a higher EROI (Coal-to-liquids comes to mind)-unless we have protocols for this in place ahead of time, the dirtier, higher energy options will always win out (which means lose out, in the long term)
I think that since every layer of our society is dependent on a way or in an other on fossil fuels, I think that assessing actual EROEI would be kind of taken accounted for by calculating the actual cost of producing that energy.
Say for ethanol for example, cost calculated before subsides and tax break should amount to something more than what a comparable amount of oil (or gasoline) would cost.
If the cost is 3,50$ and the gasoline is actually 2,50$, it would imply that it is needing 1 $ more of gasoline input that is lost in the process.
So in order to get the same amount of ethanol, you need more energy than what is given by it.
Well, that need to be studied more in detail but Jeff Vail came with something near I think.
What do you think about it?
This is the crux of the issue. In theory you are corect. However in reality, using dollars to generate decisions gives you a constant moving target, based on the markets sloth at recognizing scarcity. Your decisions would change monthly in an energy crisis. Net energy analysis attempts to jump ahead of this by acknowledging that energy is important (implicitly, energy is more central to our needs, whereas the market is good at pricing our wants), and pricing things in energy terms so that accurate planning can be made in advance. I suspect that as we begin to run faster on our natural gas treadmill, the value of pricing ethanol in energy terms instead of $ will become apparent.
In a perfectly functioning market that has no subsidies, that values externalities, and that doesnt exhibit very steep discount rates (valuing the present more than it should), pricing in dollars would equal pricing in energy, but we are a long way from that.
sorry I missed you in Portland...(next summer!)
When calculating EROI in this way, any bias in the dollar value of energy divides out. One might have to take an average over a period of time to account for variations in market forces of different energy types, but this is easy to do. Similarly, all energy produced with fossil fuels is discounted similarly and this bias exists both in the numerator and the denominator in an EROI calculation.
Using a more rigorous approach (following energy expenditures all the way up the chain), you still cannot account for externalities (nuclear waste buried for centuries, global warming effects, missing mountaintops in WV, quite a mess in Alberta, etc. etc.). What is the energy value of those? What is the energy cost to society of disrupting the food supply?
Also, improvements in technology improve EROI--it is not a static number. Pimentel has been often criticised (and then his arguments dismissed) for using supposedly obsolete numbers.
Cheers, Dom
The energy input into an energy harvesting process is subtracted from the gross energy to get the net energy available. But societies a)choices and b) infrastructure also impact EROI. For example, if everyone was vegetarians, there would be no demand for dry distiller grains for cattle. These DDGs get an energy credit that increases the EROI of ethanol production by allocating away some of the inputs.If there was no demand for DDGs, the net energy of corn ethanol would decline.
The choice to drive cars reduces the net energy we receive from cellulosic fermentation (if we demanded electricity instead of liquid fuel, we would lose less of the energy in the lignin or bagasse). We continually face the tradeoff between energy quantity (in Btus) and energy quality (in whatever energy services society demands).
Our infrastructure also impacts EROI. For example, a wind entrepreneur has a 5:1 EROI on small scale wind turbines, which he imports parts for, assembles, then distributes. He currently uses railcars to ship his components - if the rail industry grows too slowly to accommodate all rail demand as energy prices increase, he will be forced to use less efficient means, perhaps shipping his turbine parts in semi-trucks, or some such. This will increase not only his dollar budget, but his energy budget, putting downward pressure on the 'net energy' from the wind turbines.
Essentially, Energy Return on Investment(EROI) is a snapshot in time of a technology combined with an energy source combined with an infrastructure. Oil is pervasive in impacting the EROIs of alternatives. The main point is that we can impact EROI not only by technology, but by demand choices.
This hasn't gotten much attention, but it is in fact happening. The price of DDGs is falling steadily even as the price of corn rises. This is adding to ethanol costs, and is only projected to get worse. I think we will get to the point that excess DDGs are burned for fuel.
I think one of the points I was trying to make was that if the DDGS did not exist, cattle would be fed something else, something that would have its own energy content. So, the energy credit (if there really is one) should really be the energy content of the most likely alternative feed that the DDGS displaces, not the DDGS itself. This may or may not be the correct way of looking at it, but I've had a gut feel from the very start that something was a little dodgy about the DDGS credit.
I know very little about agriculture, but is it not also true that cattle can only tolerate a certain percentage of DDGS in their feed mix without suffering adverse effects? If so, then it would not be too hard to picture the market for DDGS getting saturated pretty quickly as more and more ethanol plants come on line.
You are probably right that at some point a large fraction of the DDGS will be burned just to recover some heat value from an otherwise next to worthless material.
The other big change coming is that companies will start extracting more of the corn oil from the DDG product (already happening at a few plants). This is positive in several ways. From what I understand, less energy is than required to dry the DDG, we pick up another high-value product stream (corn oil -- think biodiesel) and the resulting DDG product can be used for the pork and poultry industries, which so far have been unable to use much DDG at all.
Although there will be short term market issues due to the extremely rapid growth of the ethanol business, we will run out of land to grow corn long, long before we run out of a way to utilize the by-product.
I saw on a recent ag report that nationwide, cattle are not finishing out as well this past year. Do you have any theories about this? They mentioned drought conditions being one, and many people are jumping to the conclusion that its the DDG being fed. What are your thoughts on this?
There is raging debate in the industry about how much feeding DDG is responsible for what has been a significant decline in cattle grading over the last couple of years.
From our personal experience, I think DDG is a significant culprit, and we are investigating how to address the issue.
Very interesting.
We feed cattle, so use a lot of DDG's. Earlier this summer we were contracted DDG from our local ethanol plant for $88 per ton, corn was about $2.00 a bushel at that time. Corn is now worth $3.50 and DDG has shot up as well. Trying to buy some now would cost about $130 per ton. About a 50% price rise. National market reports show this same thing happening across the country.
As long as corn to ethanol is heavily subsidized, DDG's will seldom be burned for fuel as they are too valuable as a feed ingredient.
In the big picture, what will probably happen over the next few years is that corn planting will rise substantially, soybean planting will decline. Historically, the livestock industry has gotten it's protien from soybeans (meal) -- much of that demand will now be filled by DDG.
Here is some Christmas cattle trivia: The MROI (Milk return on Energy invested) is about 5:1
Absolutely is. I have seen several news reports on this. Here is a blurb from Ethanol Producer magazine:
http://www.ethanolproducer.com/article.jsp?article_id=2338
I also have a reference around here from November that I will try to track down. Finally, I have seen an analysis that predicts that the DDGs market will completely saturate pretty soon as ethanol production continues to ramp up.
DDGS prices will continue to decline as expanding ethanol production expands available supplies.
From a USDA report:
The value of byproduct credits declined from 30 cents per gallon in 2003 and 2004 to about 22 cents per gallon in 2005.
That's from a PDF. You can see the exerpts here:
http://www.futurepundit.com/mt/mt-altcomments.cgi?entry_id=3663
Scroll down to comments by "Randall Parker."
Regards
My opinion is that MTBE substitution is the current driver of ethanol production in the US, not use as an alternative fuel. The economics are just not there.
Regards and thanks for your frequent and useful comments.
Nevertheless, I firmly believe that biodiesel, ethanol, CTL, GTL, tar sands and in general all the "whatever-to-liquids" programs are driven by the quest to keep the whole post-petroleum era looking and acting as much as possible like the Oil Era. There is too much capital invested in the whole liquid fuels regime for it to change overnight. The internal combustion engine drives our planetary economy and society.
Yet the quest is ultimately destined to fail, for reasons analyzed extremely well in this site (EROEI + GHG). Oh, they may very well serve as stopgap measures as we (if we) transition to a purely Electric Era, but not much more beyond that. The sooner we realize that the Sun is the only source of permanent energy, the better our future.
Regards
http://www.verasun.com/fuel/biodiesel.htm
Can't disagree on your observation regarding the sun, but is it possible that biomass done right provides a nice "battery" in that equation?
The key is to get started now.
Look at this weekly report issues by USDA -- DDG currently $110 to $130 per ton.. http://www.ams.usda.gov mnreports/SJ_GR225.txt
Not sure where everything will shake out, but DDG is certianly not cheaper. There will be serious mis-location issues over the next couple of years, made worse with high cost of transportation, but the feed market is pretty efficent. DDG will be priced at its feed value. Main value of DDG is it's protien, and the US/north American/global protien market to date is very large.
Oh, and really appreciate the cow picture.. drives home the point that under skyrocketing energy costs, we will all eat less meat!! and who knows, even though I feed cattle, we may be more healthy as a nation by cutting meat consumption :(
http://www.ams.usda.gov/mnreports/SJ_GR225.txt
Thks again.
You are a scholar and a gentleman!
Soybeans are 75% soybean meal (which itself is about 48% protien), so with the coming flood of DDG's, we will be awash in protien and I really believe that soybean acerage will drop significantly under current policy.
One interesting side note, in our part of the world (northeast Kansas), we can grow about as much bio-diesel an acre from a wheat-doublecrop sunflower program as a single crop of soybeans, and have a full "food" crop to harvest that year as well.
Bunge North America, the North American operating arm of Bunge Limited (NYSE: BG), announced that it is expanding the crush capacity of its soybean processing plant in Council Bluffs, Iowa, by more than 11 million bushels per year. When the expansion is complete by harvest 2008, the facility will have an annual crush capacity of nearly 77 million bushels, the largest in the United States.
Wow, now just get yourself and your neighbors to run your tractors on straight sunflower oil and at least we'll know we won't starve. I'm only half joking.
That would be a waste.
http://www.communitysolution.org/04conf/af1.html
So the dry distillers' grains is a pre-emergent herbicide, in other words it stops weed seeds from sprouting. As soon as they sprout, they die. That's because what I've done by putting this stuff in the soil is I've fed seed-eating fungi and bacteria. There's a population explosion, when the weed seeds sprout, that exploding biology eats the little roots of the weed seeds. It's really a tricky little system, really fun. So the farmer doesn't need to buy Round-Up anymore, because he's got it built in, and he doesn't need to buy the GMO corn.