Council on Foreign Relations -"National Security Consequences of Oil Dependency"

With little media fanfare as of yet, a major report by the political heavyweight think tank Council on Foreign Relations was recently released. "Independent Task Force Report #58 - National Security Consequences of Oil Dependency" (pdf warning) paints a somewhat more urgent picture of our energy situation than most other oil and energy research coming out of Washington. Though there is no mention of the words "Peak Oil' in the 90 page report, to the astute reader it is clear that this group of experts, led by ex-CIA chiefs, John Deutsch and James Schlesinger, understand that the era of cheap energy is ending, and that our dependency on oil has major geopolitical implications with few easy answers. The bombshell in this report is the admission that the United States will be unable to achieve energy independence, and should focus instead on reducing our dependency on oil. Though this concept is nothing new to readers of this site, coming from a highly respected mainstream think tank (CFR), recommendations such as conservation, gasoline taxes, and gasoline rationing might be an uncomfortable but necessary wake up call to some of the conservative (cornucopian?) decisionmakers in our nations capital. Indeed, this report may be the next integral step of political eye-opening (the first being the Hirsch Report last year) that hastens our national efforts towards addressing our energy addiction.

This post is a general summary of the report, along with some interspersed comments and conclusions.




Our oil import dependency(pg. 31) (Click to enlarge)

The Council on Foreign Relations has a long history of analysis and research dissemination on issues of national policy from great and respected minds. When I was in graduate school, I often had a copy of their "Foreign Affairs" periodical, which I never managed to read more than a chapter or two but felt it was cool to carry around (youth). The last time I read it was earlier this year when it contained an article on Americas first strike capability vis-a-vis the rest of the world with our nuclear arsenal. This is a heavyweight organization whose work is read and respected at the highest levels around the world.

Our ever vigilant energy/environment media hawk Leanan first posted a reference to this story here, but because of travel it wasnt until a few days ago that I had a chance to review the 90 page document. In my opininon, this is a watershed report, not so much for new analysis or information, but for the fact that a respected mainstream organization such as Council on Foreign Relations implies that the invisible hand of the market will not solve our energy problem.


INDEPENDENT TASK FORCE REPORT #58

The grey boxes below are quotes from the report, which is well worth reading.

"Founded in 1921, the Council on Foreign Relations is an independent, national membership organization and a nonpartisan center for scholars dedicated to producing and disseminating ideas so that individuals and corporate members, as well as policymakers, journalists, students and interested citizens in the United States and other countries, can better understand the world and the foreign policy choices facing the United States and other governments. The Council does this by convening meetings; conducting a wide-ranging Studies program; publishing Foreign Affairs; the preeminent journal covering international affairs and U.S. foreign policy; maintaining a diverse membership; sponsoring Independent Task Forces; and providing up-to-date information about the world an U.S. foreign policy on the Council's website, www.cfr.org.

THE COUNCIL TAKES NO INSTITUTIONAL POSITION ON POLICY ISSUES AND HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. ALL STATEMENTS OF FACT AND EXPRESSIONS OF OPINION CONTAINTED IN ITS PUBLICATIONS ARE THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AUTHOR OR AUTHORS

The council will sponsor an Independent Task Force when (1) an issue of current and critical importance to U.S. foreign policy arises, and (2) it seems that a group diverse in backgrounds and perspectives may, nonetheless, be able to reach a meaningful consensus on a policy through private and nonpartisan deliberations. Typically, a Task Force meets between two and five times over a brief period to ensure the relevance of its work.

...Task Force Reports reflect a strong and meaningful policy consensus, with Task Force members endorsing the general policy thrust and judgements reached by the group, though not necessarily every finding and recommendation. Task Force members who join the consensus may submit additional or dissenting views, which are included in the final report...."

It seems that our dependence on oil and natural gas was deemed a current and critical enough issue to convene a Task Force (#58), chaired by John Deutsch and James Schlesinger and directed by Stanford Professor David Victor. The Task Force itself was comprised of 27 members who read like a whos who of American politics and industry. In the Foreward to the Report, CFR President Richard Haass makes the following profound remarks (emphasis added):

In recent years, energy prices have surged. President George W. Bush, in this year's State of the Union address, warned of an addiction to imported oil and its perils. Yet there is no consensus on what should be done to shake the addiction. Virtually everything concerning energy has changed - except U.S. policy.

The Council on Foreign Relations established an Independent Task Force to examine the consequences of dependence on imported energy for U.S. foreign policy. Since the United States both consumes and imports more oil than any other country, the Task Force has concentrated its deliberations on matters of petroleum. In so doing, it reaches a sobering but inescapable judgement: the lack of sustained attention to energy issues is undercutting U.S. foreign policy and national security.

The Task Force goes on to argue that U.S. energy policy has been plagued by myths, such as the feasibility of achieving "energy independence" through increased drilling or anything else. For the next few decades, the challenge facing the United States is to become better equipped to manage its dependencies rather than pursue the chimera of independence.

Though they appeal to different crowds, it seems Richard Haass shares some common ground with Richard Heinberg.



OVERVIEW AND INTRODUCTION


The Overview of this report is excellent. Here are some excerpts:

The challenge over the next several decades is to manage the consequences of unavoidable dependence on oil and gas that is traded in world markets and to begin the transition to an economy that relies less on petroleum. The longer the delay, the greater will be the subsequent trauma. For the United States, with 4.6 percent of the world's population using 25% of the world's oil, the transition could be especially disruptive.

During the next twenty years (and quite probably beyond), it is infeasible to eliminate the nation's dependence on foreign energy sources. The voices that espouse "energy independence" are doing the nation a disservice by focusing on a goal that is unachievable over the foreseeable future and that encourages the adoption of inefficient and counterproductive policies. Indeed, during the next two decades, it is unlikely that the United States will be able to make a sharp reduction in its dependence on imports, which currently stand at 60% of consumption. The central task for the next two decades must be to manage the consequences of dependence on oil, not to pretend the United States can eliminate it.

This is eloquent and spot on. It is both easy and appealing to believe that we can replace our hydrocarbon usage, but such a belief takes away both the urgency and the drive that urgency creates. It was refreshing to read such frank language from a senior policy missive.

For the last three decades, the United States has correctly followed a policy strategy that, in large measure, has stressed the importance of markets. Energy markets, however, do not operate in an economically perfect and transparent manner. For example, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), quite notably, seeks to act as a cartel. Most oil and gas resources are controlled by state-run companies, some of which enter into supply contracts with consumer countries that are accompanied by political arrangements that distort the proper functioning of the market. These agreements, such as those spearheaded by the Chinese government in oil-rich countries across Africa and elsewhere, reflect many intentions, including the desire to "lock up" particular supplies for the Chinese market. Some of the state companies that control these resources are inefficient, which imposes further costs on the world market. And, some governments use the revenues from hydrocarbon sales for political purposes that harm U.S. interests. Because of these realities, an active public policy is needed to correct these market failures that harm U.S. economic and national security. The market will not automatically deliver the best outcome.

Admission that the market has been an appropriate mechanism historically for energy but may not be so in the future was mentioned several times in this report. For a country built on the invisible hand, this is kind of a radical suggestion (though one I agree with).

The Introduction layed out several policy suggestions which were then detailed in the report. Among them were adopting a mix of gasoline taxes, stricter CAFE standards and gasoline rationing system that would cap the total gasoline consumed in the nation. The Report also advocated removal of worldwide subsidies for oil consumption, removing the protectionist tariff on imported ethanol, reducing oil infrastructure vulnerability, helping oil producing countries better manage their oil revenues, and the creation of an Energy Security directorate within the National Security Staff to coordinate interagency energy policy. It also concluded with a paragraph on global warming, stating that this was an important international policy issue but beyond the scope of this Task Force, other than that many of the answers to reducing carbon emissions were also answers for reducing oil dependency. The lead author, David Victor, had previously written another Report specifically on climate change.


FINDINGS: THE US ENERGY SYSTEM AND THE ROLE OF IMPORTED OIL AND GAS





US Oil Imports vs Exports(pg. 31) (Click to enlarge)

Americas transportation sector revolves around oil. 68% of our oil usage goes to this sector, and 96% of the transportation sector uses oil. Many of the same conclusions of the Hirsch report were repeated here: long lead times, long average vehicle life, etc. And though we once produced what we consumed, this has not been the case for decades and the trend of increasing imports will continue. The Report also spent considerable time on the growth in Chinese demand for oil, and Chinese government policys to secure oil. Indeed, when looked at graphically, a large % of the increase in world oil demand has come from 2 countries:




One of the things I liked about this report was how bluntly they stated that their conclusions differed from some of the conventional energy rhetoric that has been common in the media recently. Given the large group of intelligent, connected people on the Task Force, this means these ideas will be gaining traction with our decisionmakers. They outline several 'myths' about energy along with supporting discussion:




The report points out that, concerned about increases in oil imports to 50% of consumption in the 1970s, US curtailed consumption to only require 1/3 imports. However, this trend has reversed and our infrastructure is so dependent on oil, that coupled with continued declines in domestic production, import dependency is above 60% and expected to rise in the coming decades.




In other words, cutting demand is the key to reducing import dependency.




This was a big takeaway from the report for me. The fact that 90% of world reserves are controlled by National Oil Companies as opposed to market-incentivized public companies, belies the fact that dollar per barrel pricing will not necessarily dictate world oil flows. Publicly traded oil behemoth Exxon Mobil is only ranked 14th in proven reserves (below 13 national oil companies). An important distinction between public and private energy ownership, along nationalistic boundaries, seemed to be a big concern of the authors. With a nations security one day on the line, can oil importing countries rely on oil exporters to accept money in trade for energy?



This has been a central them at theoildrum.com, and really the underlying logic of Peak Oil. There is a difference between productive capacity and actual production, and politics will couple with geology to dictate that spread. Also, as was discussed here, the 'best-first' principle will result in both higher prices and resources being taken away from the non-energy sector as we move into the second half of the age of oil. Net energy analysis should be incorporated into future energy policy discussions.



These topics have been the bread and butter discussions here at the oildrum.com. The Report was very clear that nuclear power will be a vital part of our energy future and needs to be increased in its % of the overall power mix.


FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS: THE CONDUCT OF US FOREIGN POLICY


In the concluding section, the CFR Task Force suggest five goals, with supporting actions for each, on how to manage our dependence on hydrocarbon fuels while pursuing our foreign policy aims simultaneously.

Expand Sources of Oil and Gas Production and Protect Transit Routes of These Fuels to Markets

Encourage Efficiency of Energy Use in All Markets

Promote the Proper Functioning and Efficiency of Integrated Energy Markets

Revitalize International Institutions and Collective International Efforts

Integrate Energy Issues into US Foreign Policy Apparatus




Several pages were devoted to the foreign affairs implications of developed and developing nations signing long term contracts for oil, thus removing this portion from the openly bid for export market. Of particular concern was Chinas locking up of long term contracts, and the rate at which this is accelerating.

The Reports conclusion was really laid out in the Overview and rehashed briefly at the end. Following the concluding comments, two Task Force members, Michael Granoff (CEO of Pomona Capital) and David Goldwyn (President of Goldwyn International), offered an 'Additional View', which is transcribed below (it has a particularly hawkish and urgent tone).

We subscribe to the report's analysis and recommendations, but the report understates the gravity of the threat that energy dependence poses to U.S. national security.

Energy is a central challenge to U.S. foreign policy, not simply one of many challenges. Global dependence on oil is rapidly eroding U.S. power and influence because oil is a strategic commodity largely controlled by regressive governments and a cartel that raises prices and multiplies the rents that flow to oil producers. These rents have enriched and emboldened Iran, enabled President Vladimir Putin to undermine Russia's democracy, entrenched regressive autocrats in Africa, forestalled action against genocide in Sudan, and facilitated Venezuala's campaign against free trade in the Americas. Most gravely, oil consumers are in effect financing both sides of the war on terrorism.

Transformation in the use of energy, especially in transportation where oil is unrivaled, in our government's approach to energy research, development, and deployment, and in the way we conduct our foreign policy, is essential. Achieving this transformation requires efforts on at least three fronts.

First we must integrate energy and foreign policy. For example, we must engage China and India at a presidential level on the impact of their investment practices on regional stability and our common interest in a free market for energy; we must engage Europe on its growing dependence on Russian energy exports and Russia's monopolistic practices. We must also consider asymmetrical means, like support for power and water infrastructure to compete for political influence in Latin America and Africa.

Second, the United States must expand and deepen the collective energy security system forged by the United States and institutionalized in the International Energy Agency in 1974 - not least by bringing China and India into the system. The report endorses this effort but is not sufficiently precise on the best methods; it suggests that the International Energy Forum could be tapped, but that institution is ill-suited as it allows oil producers a veto on its activities.


Third, the United States should use its economic power as a component of its energy strategy. For example, we should consider ways to give preferential access to the U.S. market to producing countries that support a free market in energy. This instrument is blunt and difficult to wield, but among the steps we can take are to make access to energy transportation systems a condition of any new free trade agreement with the United States; limit the ability to access and invest in liquefied natural gas re-gasification facilities on U.S. soil to exporting countries whose markets are also open to U.S. investments; and pursuit of rules to govern fair access and competition within the energy sector as a priority in the next World Trade Organization negotiating round.


All told, an incremental approach to the challenge - as advocated in this report - will not be adequate.


THE BOTTOM LINE


This report did not contain a great deal of new energy information for a frequent viewer of this website. However, the fact that such a powerful group of people delved deeply into the Peak Oil issues, even if it fell under the guise of national security, gives me confidence that awareness now exists at the highest decisionmaking levels of our country(and Id like to think that's a good thing). Perhaps the grassroots message of Peak Oil, discussed here and elsewhere is starting to take hold. Though specific energy reports like CERAs may give the industry misplaced confidence due to confusion between oil production and production capacity, an acknowledgement that even in the best of scenarios, we need to start planning immediately appears to occuring behind the scenes.

To me, this was not a business-as-usual report. Explicitly stated was the suggestion that the energy market will not give the correct signals to solve this problem. The 800lb gorilla (again) was the dire implications for US (and world) economic growth that would presumably accompany reduced consumption, gasoline rationing, and conservation. I also was reminded, that as oil becomes more scarce on the world markets, there exists large factions of motivated, connected individuals who are used to wielding influence. Though conservation will play a role (it must), I get the sense from this document, that alliances and sides will be chosen through the international diplomatic arena, and that local and regional adaptation and mitigation to Peak Oil will be decoupled from the geopolitical game of Risk . The US, due to our dependency on energy imports, is not in the position of strength it once was.

Washington DC, and our nations leaders are being increasingly bombarded with a plethora of energy warnings and information. Sorting through the facts and rhetoric must be driving some people crazy, as this is a very complex subject not quickly internalized. It seems to me that month by month, the facts are emerging about our energy situation, from more and more credible sources, not the least of which was this recent analysis by the Council of Foreign Relations. As necessary infrastructure and demand-side change needs a long lead time (nuclear, electrified transport, import substitution for basic goods,etc.) we should not squander the opportunities we have now, while the international geo-political bear is still sleeping.

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Only 9 diggs (including mine).  That's a pretty pathetic showing.
One the key findings of the report is the fact that more and more of the world's energy production is being removed from the market through the signing of long term purchase agreements.


Global free markets benefit the OECD countries in general and the US in particular. Why should not states outside the OECD act to secure their own energy futures? Why should they seek free trade in commodities if this is not in their national interest?


This trend is likely to be exacerbated by the fact of US intervention in Iraq and elsewhere (Alan posted a long list of recent US foreign interventions on a prior thread - he  left out Iceland). America desires to be feared. And so it shall be. But fear does not present any incentive for any country to co-operate with the US in any way; the opposite applies and the Lillipudians will seek to tie Gulliver down. Restricting his energy supply is one way to achieve this.


I do not believe America yet fully understands all the damage Bush has done.

"Free trade" is the code word which OECD countries use in public for the process of securing the resources they need from the 3rd world. Before we used to conquer them, now we give them no other choice but joining the so called "free market". Which of course is dominated by us... Same topic is covered in BBC's "Why we fight?".
Learning about free markets from a tax money-fattened gang of unaccountable bureaucrats? Interesting approach.
Keithster: You're right. You can only get the truth from a Murdoch employee.
This source will work too.
Ah, wealth beyond nations in the digital age - this link http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/3300 is the Project Gutenberg entry, while the following link is a plain text iso-8859-1 zipped file http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext02/wltnt11.zip which anyone can distribute, without much involvement in the market, except for that of ideas.
I think one of the larger Lillipudians (Russia) does understand and has for some time.  They have been patient with their rope and waiting for the right time to lash it down.

"I do not believe America yet fully understands all the damage Bush has done."

I believe you are correct here and it is too late to climb out of the hole short of desparate moves.  Remember, animals backed into a corner are the most dangerous.

I find it interesting that, so far as I can tell, the CFR is actually wrong.

Several different ways.

The question is, do we have the political will to exercise the technology we have to prove it?

the CFR is actually wrong. Several different ways.

Interesting claim.   Care to actually bother to back up your claim of 'wrongness'?

In a later message you make a statement about how a car that doesn't exist in production shows how CFR is 'wrong'.

A solution that doesn't exist is proof of 'wrongness' how?

The faulty claims include:

  • The USA cannot become energy independent.
  • That the USA cannot sharply reduce its dependence on imports within 20 years
  • That liquid fuels are a sine qua non for the ground transport sector (air transport is another matter)

Etc.  Further, PHEV's will shortly exist in production.  Enova is hybridizing school-bus drivetrains, to name just one.  We can do this far better today than we could have in 1995, but had we begun then we would be much further along due to the impact of R&D.  The current lack of production PHEV's appears to be due to industry intransigence, such as GM's gluing of the plug cover on the PHEV Saab.
The faulty claims include:
    * The USA cannot become energy independent.
    * That the USA cannot sharply reduce its dependence on imports within 20 years
    * That liquid fuels are a sine qua non for the ground transport sector (air transport is another matter)

In the sense that a collape or other countries refuse to sell oil to the US of A.../sure.

The 'we can fix things with new tech' arguments do not show what is being done with the old tech.  

The 'replace  the cars' arguemtn ignores the poor and their use of fully depreciated cars.   And they ignore a desire to carry cargo (in the form of other people or actual items)

Now I haven't seen this point mentioned:

The policy makers 'listen' to orginizations like the CFR.   the line "we create our own reality" echos in my head.   It doesn't matter if the CFR is "wrong", what they have stated will be considered the reality.

It's hard to claim that something is impossible in the face of people doing it.  Felix Kramer and CalCars are doing a great service there, and with a little more publicity contrary claims from the likes of the CFR won't be able to pass the laugh test any longer.
And there is a difference between a few people doing something  in a natiom and a wholesale change of a nations actions.

CalCars can't move 2 600 lbs barrels of isocynate (a task needing to be done every 2 weeks or so)  So should I rent a truck for 3 days every two weeks, or just have a truck and drive about all the time?   Many people select their transportation not for the 90% of what it normally does, but on the 10% they need (or think they need).  

Whne you claim 'the technical solutions exist so its not a problem' I don't see a electric transport that can move 1000 lbs of wet brewes grain 60 miles one way for 'disposal'.  

On another 'politics is the issue':

Many here would see agenda 21 as a step in the right direction.   Yet on other parts of the Internet the plan is a tool of the devil.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=a genda+21
http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/agenda21.htm

Having all kinds of 'technology can save us' plans won't matter much if you can't come up with a way to implement them.   Something like agenda 21 is being fought by some.... so what's the plan to have calcars work?

And there is a difference between a few people doing something  in a natiom and a wholesale change of a nations actions.
How about when GM announces them?
CalCars can't move 2 600 lbs barrels of isocynate (a task needing to be done every 2 weeks or so)
You could probably do that today with a hybrid Escape.  Add a PHEV battery pack, slap 1 barrel in the back and the other on a utility trailer (towing capacity is only 1000 pounds otherwise both would go there).
Having all kinds of 'technology can save us' plans won't matter much if you can't come up with a way to implement them.
I don't have to come up with the implementations, other people are already doing that.

The $64000 question:  will you buy the GM PHEV pickup when it comes, so you can move your isocyanate and whatnot and still get decent mileage for commuting?  Or will you reject the idea as against tradition?  (The whole idea of petroleum-powered vehicles was against thousands of years of tradition; perhaps it's not too surprising that we're being forced to reconsider in the short space of a century.)

The $64000 question:  will you buy the GM PHEV pickup when it comes, so you can move your isocyanate and whatnot and still get decent mileage for commuting?  Or will you reject the idea as against tradition?

I should go ahead, SELL the truck to someone else, have a new depretion schedule on s GM product?  Not to mention pay more in insurance on the new shiney truck VS the less insurance I now pay.  Which is nothing more than re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic because the no longer needed truck was sold off?  With the lesser towing capacity, I now have to make more 70 mile round trips to get the icocyanite off the loading docks.

And where is the $64,000 comiong from to buy this new truck?  

Your "model" of "there is no problem, everyone just goes and gets new stuff" never mentions:

  1. Cashflow to get the new stuff
  2. The removal of the old stuff so it is no longer conuming the oil based products it once did.
  3. The additional costs of having 'new stuff' in tax rates or insurance.

Like the people in Washington DC, your ideas are rather free-spending with my money.  

And now a story:
Got a buddy, he bought a Durango 4 years ago.  I said 'your gonna get killed on gas when it goes up in price'  He said 'I said that to the wife.  She says it's so the kids are safe.'  Last year wife wanted out.   So the buddy ran the numbers, and he figured that gas would have to go to $7.50 a gallon before the loss of blue book value VS what he owed on  the dodge would make sense to dump it based on mileage.   Not to mentiopn he'd loose access to the V8 for the towing he does 10 times (or less) a year.   (he could drive 75 miles one way and get any of his old man's V8s for towing, so it is not like he lacks access per say)  So he still has the Dodge.   How does taking on a new, higher payment help him?  How does his selling off the Durango to get the new techo-fix also stop that Durango from continuing to consume fossil fuels?

The technology plans people keep trotting out ignore the cash flows of existing business models based on old cheap oil.   And I've not seen a transportation model with the autofleet that includes the destruction of the present stock to be replaced with magical new technology to achieve some 5 year plan.

Feel free to show a cashflow that gets me the same transportation level as I now have on a paid off and written down truck.  

You're rapidly descending toward troll-dom, but I'll answer the salient points anyway:
I should go ahead, SELL the truck to someone else, have a new depretion schedule on s GM product?
The truck will probably be worn out soon, definitely within 10 years.  If you continue in this business you'll need another one.  You'll have to fill your need from the options available at the time, either new or used.  I'll rephrase the question so you don't feel quite so righteous in evading it:

Given a choice, will you buy a PHEV truck at that time or not?

Your "model" of "there is no problem, everyone just goes and gets new stuff" never mentions:

   1. Cashflow to get the new stuff
   2. The removal of the old stuff so it is no longer conuming the oil based products it once did.
   3. The additional costs of having 'new stuff' in tax rates or insurance.

My model recognizes the fact that some 17 million light vehicles are made in the USA each year and the average light truck is something like 6.9 years old.  All the "new stuff" becomes "old stuff" within a relatively short time, and the cash flow to replace it certainly exists.  The major question is what that "new stuff" is going to be like.  We once decided that it was all going to slash exhaust emissions compared to previous practice, and within a few years all the new stuff was a lot cleaner and demanded unleaded fuel in the bargain.  This will be no different.
Like the people in Washington DC, your ideas are rather free-spending with my money.
Sum up the costs of feeding your guzzling truck, including the war to try to secure oil supplies, and it looks more the opposite.  How many PHEV trucks could you buy for $2 trillion?  Even if they did cost $64000 apiece and you just scrapped the ones they'd replace, you could get 31 million of them.  At a saner figure of $3000 incremental cost, you'd be able to pay to upgrade the next 667 million vehicles coming down the pike.  At 17 million/year that's the next 39 years of production, even assuming no cost savings from the change.
Got a buddy, he bought a Durango 4 years ago.
He has my condolences.
he figured that gas would have to go to $7.50 a gallon before the loss of blue book value VS what he owed on  the dodge would make sense to dump it based on mileage.  So he still has the Dodge.   How does taking on a new, higher payment help him?
And his analysis probably assumed the value wouldn't keep falling if gas prices rose further.  (Which actually argues for selling now, and letting a bigger fool assume the risk of higher future gas prices.)

Essentially, he's screwed.  But his situation doesn't bear on the question of what he SHOULD have done, or what a wise national policy would promote.

How does his selling off the Durango to get the new techo-fix also stop that Durango from continuing to consume fossil fuels?

If he DID sell the Durango, it would probably be to someone who needs plenty of space but drives fewer miles (otherwise THAT person would buy the more-economical replacement).  The other thing he could do is buy a beater econobox and park the Durango except for those times it's absolutely necessary.  A parked Durango burns no fuel.
The traditional insult mode when the argument isn't going his way:

You're rapidly descending toward troll-dom,
I'll rephrase the question so you don't feel quite so righteous in evading it:

Given a choice, will you buy a PHEV truck at that time or not?

A choice?  

Many factors make up a valid choice.   Existance, cost, capability.   Just the existance does not egual a choice.   I could CHOOSE to have an airplane for transportaton, for airplanes exist.  The cost stops that choice from happening and is considered a 'non choice'.

The magical PHEVs are a non choice if the cost is too high.

The truck will probably be worn out soon, definitely within 10 years.  .......
My model recognizes the fact that some 17 million light vehicles are made in the USA each year and the average light truck is something like 6.9 years old.

I question your modelspace as the truck is 3 years old and gets 6,000 to 14,000 miles a year on it.   That and your modelspace of a 'average of 6.9 years' doesn't jive with the 20 year fleet replacement rate as cited in the past on TOD.

If he DID sell the Durango, it would probably be to someone who needs plenty of space but drives fewer miles (otherwise THAT person would buy the more-economical replacement).

Now who's avoiding?  

You keep speking of a 'lack of will'.   Yet:
Sum up the costs of feeding your guzzling truck, including the war to try to secure oil supplies, and it looks more the opposite.  How many PHEV trucks could you buy for $2 trillion?  Even if they did cost $64000 apiece and you just scrapped the ones they'd replace, you could get 31 million of them.

So you go from a free market idea (include all the costs of oil in the price) to using tax flow to buy PHEVs?  

Meanwhile a comment about the cssh flow of war over here  (bolded)
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=515

TV New Lies- And Readers of TV New Lies:

Well, I'm a veteran of the anti-war movement when Vietnam was the wizz-bang of the moral crusade against the communists, who were going to over run all of SouthEast Asia, and lots of Congressmen then were also making lots of money on the war then too.

It is not so easy to stop a war economy on the march.

None of this is new to me. And, while the time frames are likely going to be sped up, this war won't be stopped by writing letters, voting, marching in the streets, or praying either.

I've seen it all before.

I read recently, the Vietnam War wasn't ended until Congress cut off funding and Dick Nixon was forced to pull out the troops because they didn't have the hardware to continue fighting. This is true, and to get to that stage then took years.

The heart of the matter is WHY did Congress cut off funding? It certainly wasn't because Dick Nixon won the WHite House on a promise to end the war in Vietnam, which he did in fact.

It happened because the anti-war movement had been radicalized to the point where bombs were going off in this country, kids were getting killed at Kent State, the universities were being sht down, and the anti war sentiment was starting to hurt enough monied interests in this country in the pocket so THEY put pressure on enough Congressmen so that they then pulled the plug on the whole dirty mess.

Vietnam was a lie too. These people in politics are born liars. You know that.

Let me tell you how much of a lie this war is now.

When John Kerry stood up at the DNC and said, "When I was a young man, I defended my country." this was the biggest lie he could have uttered all these years later. He knew full well no one in Vietnam was defending this country, any more than anyone in Iraq is defending this country.

All those soldiers are pawns in a big game that is played with real hard cash being made by the barrel full, and much of it going into the pockets of those whom the author is encouraging us to write letters to in an effort to get this thing stopped.

Believe me when I say, no matter how much can be put at the feet of Bush & Company, they're heroes inside the beltway in Washington, heroes who are making all of those Congressmen very rich right now as it is their companies or companies in which they have an interest that are supplying the materials for the war effort through government contracts.

And the Democrats are absolutely not going to stop this war as long as it is their own personal cash-cornucopia, which is what it is since they took the midterm elections by storm. They have a mandate. And as far as they're concerned, that mandate is to get a bigger piece of the war profiteering pie.

Don Robertson, The American Philosopher
Limestone, Maine

An Illustrated Philosophy Primer for Young Readers

You keep speaking of political will, yet the above and documents like from the CFR do a far better job of addressing reality than a handwave 'its all solveable 'cept for the will to do it'.   Reality has things like this:
http://www.devvy.com/notax.html
all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their government.

'Influence' of markets by the govenment requires a cash flow.  Is this influence just going to be "willed" into existance?    Where is the cash flow going to come from in a world built on way underpriced energy?

'Influence' of markets by the govenment requires a cash flow.
You mean, like the $300+ billion cash flow in retail gasoline markets?  (One of many things you aren't thinking about.
I could CHOOSE to have an airplane for transportaton, for airplanes exist.
Considering that we were just talking about vehicles capable of carrying two 600-lb drums of isocyanate from loading dock to your destination (plant? work site?), it's utterly absurd of you to start talking about airplanes.  Unless, perhaps, both ends of the trip have taxiways to them.  I rather doubt this.

And the rest... you should add another layer to your tinfoil hat, they're clearly getting through to you.

The issue is no longer in doubt.  You ARE trolling.  And I'm done with you.

And the rest... you should add another layer to your tinfoil hat, they're clearly getting through to you.
The issue is no longer in doubt.  You ARE trolling

More name calling VS addressing issues.

Way to go.

I have a hard time accepying the claim of industry intransigence regarding Toyota & Honda.  Neither are marketing a PHEV and I think justified concerns about battery life are a major reason why.

You assume industrial capacities that are simply NOT THERE !

Building 20 to 30 million PHEVs/year globally is orders of magnitude (like 2, i.e. x100) more than component supplies can supply.

Yes, capacities can be increased (with markets assured) but that takes several years.  Which would be time for 1st generation designs to be designed and production set up.

For a normal ICE, typically a 4 year process.

Best Hopes for Realistic Planning,

Alan

BTW, I would not buy a 1st generation PHEV, and only a Honda or Toyota 2nd generation PHEV.  I expect just TOO many problems.

Are the raw materials even an option?   Being able to have the people, space, energy, and macines might be able to address the capacity issue.

But if the, say, tantalum is lacking...how will this magical elecro-car world come into being?   And what would be 'more important' - using silicon wafers for electrocars, X box 360's, embedded controllers,  or PV panels?

Oh and:

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Alan, if Firefly Energy's batteries can do the job, we already have production capacity on the scale required; there are hundreds of millions of lead-acid batteries in service today, and the manufacturing and recycling needs are almost the same.  If battery module dimensions and interfaces were standardized, vehicles could retrofit other chemistries (e.g. LiFePO4) when they were ready.

As for motors, we also make induction motors by the tens of millions per year.  Adjusting designs slightly for new applications is something manufacturers do all the time.

This is the sort of thing which could be going full-bore within 5 years.

Technological maturity is an issue as well.  What you seem to be describing will be adequate for "First Adapters" and perhaps "Early Adapters", but significantly longer in service experience is needed for market dominance (>60% market share)

There is also the issue of vehicle design to deal with different issues.  4 motors driving 4 wheels, 2 motors driving two wheels or one motor driving 2 wheels through a differential is just one of several design issues.  How to meet heating demand (fairly easy) or air conditioning demand (OOPS !)

I think I see your vision, but I am more of a skeptic (by far !) than you when it comes to the rate of adaptation.  I see all the issues that have to be resolved, many of which just take time.

I also remember the sorry history of GM when it comes to innovation (Corvair, Vega, GM diesels, V-4-6-8).

If I bought an EV it would be a GEM ( http://www.gemcar.com )  

Simple, easy, meets my needs for 90% of my trips, etc.  And ALL proven technology :-)

Best Hopes,

Alan

BTW, have you noticed the standardization of laptop computer batteries ?

I am not in the market for laptop batteries, but most of them seem to use the standard 18650 cell.
Global free markets benefit the OECD countries in general and the US in particular.?
And China, India, Singapore, South Africa....
Why should not states outside the OECD act to secure their own energy futures?.
They should, although hitching your country's future to a declining resource sounds like a disaster to me.
Why should they seek free trade in commodities if this is not in their national interest?
It is in their national interest, they just don't know it. Any centrally controlled aspect of the economy inevitably fails. The more Russia or Mexico or Venezuela exerts control over their energy sector, the worse it will get for them. How many communist economies must collapse before this lesson is learned?
Stupid drivel.
Don't insult drivel.