Excerpts from an AP article that I got this morning:
Oil Prices Tumble Nearly $2 on Forecast
Despite shortfalls due to Nigerian unrest - which Vienna's PVM Oil Associates put at 550,000 barrels a day - high prices have pushed oil demand downward, increasing sentiment that global supplies were outpacing demand.
"There is no lack of capacity right now," Saudi oil minister Ali Naimi told reporters on the sidelines of an energy conference in Amman, Jordan. Asked about the impact of high prices, Naimi said: "In general, when prices are high, people check their pockets and when they are lower, they open them."
But the main focus appeared to be on the IEA projections.
The Paris-based IEA said in its monthly oil market report Friday that high prices and mild temperatures curbed U.S. oil demand in the first quarter. The agency also noted strong exports from former Soviet countries and concluded that this implied weakening demand.
Specifically, the energy watchdog cut 220,000 barrels a day off its demand growth forecast for the year, trimming it to 1.25 million barrels a day and thus putting average daily demand at 84.84 million barrels.
"There is no lack of capacity right now," Saudi oil minister
So does this mean they have spare capacity - And if they do, why haven't they brought it to the market to reduce the price?
I am skeptical that there is "no lack of capacity" - I would have thought at current prices all nations would bringing as much to the market as they can sell?
Why would the Saudis want to reduce the price of a commodity they are selling?
The Saudi strategy appears to have shifted with their new King. The old king allowed US forces to be stationed in SA, and kept oil prices low. The new King facilitated the removal of US forces and sees the higher prices as being in his country's best interest.
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So does this mean they have spare capacity - And if they do, why haven't they brought it to the market to reduce the price?
"Why would the Saudis want to reduce the price of a commodity they are selling?"
IMO, large, militarily weak exporters like Saudi Arabia are afraid of military takeovers; therefore, they are always trying to talk down Peak Oil theories.
It's also possible that they are trying to talk down oil prices, while they are secretly going long on the oil markets.
In any case, depletion marches on--the world is consuming (from fossil fuel + nuclear sources) the energy equivalent of a billion barrels of oil every five days.
At current rates of fossil fuel + nuclear use, we consume the energy equivalent of all of Texas' oil production to date (about 60 Gb)--every 10 months. We consume the energy equivalent of all the North Sea's oil production to date about every seven months.
I think Peter Maass had it right about Saudi thinking on prices in his NY Times article The Breaking Point (published August 2005) and worth another look.
The onset of triple-digit prices might seem a blessing for the Saudis - they would receive greater amounts of money for their increasingly scarce oil. But one popular misunderstanding about the Saudis - and about OPEC in general - is that high prices, no matter how high, are to their benefit.
Although oil costing more than $60 a barrel hasn't caused a global recession, that could still happen: it can take a while for high prices to have their ruinous impact. And the higher above $60 that prices rise, the more likely a recession will become. High oil prices are inflationary; they raise the cost of virtually everything - from gasoline to jet fuel to plastics and fertilizers - and that means people buy less and travel less, which means a drop-off in economic activity. So after a brief windfall for producers, oil prices would slide as recession sets in and once-voracious economies slow down, using less oil. Prices have collapsed before, and not so long ago: in 1998, oil fell to $10 a barrel after an untimely increase in OPEC production and a reduction in demand from Asia, which was suffering through a financial crash. Saudi Arabia and the other members of OPEC entered crisis mode back then; adjusted for inflation, oil was at its lowest price since the cartel's creation, threatening to feed unrest among the ranks of jobless citizens in OPEC states.
"The Saudis are very happy with oil at $55 per barrel, but they're also nervous," a Western diplomat in Riyadh told me in May, referring to the price that prevailed then. (Like all the diplomats I spoke to, he insisted on speaking anonymously because of the sensitivities of relations with Saudi Arabia.) "They don't know where this magic line has moved to. Is it now $65? Is it $75? Is it $80? They don't want to find out, because if you did have oil move that far north . . . the chain reaction can come back to a price collapse again."
So, they believe there is a magic price above which recession and dropping demand cause prices to fall. We know for sure in May 2006 that $70/barrel is not high enough. Personally, I believe a price collapse of the magnitude they are worried about is impossible. And of course the ongoing irony--the Saudis were very happy when oil was at $55/barrel, a price I think the world will never see again.
Khebab and I have been working on another paper. Above is a link to the graphs (all done by Khebab). The premise is quite simple. In terms of depletion, Saudi Arabia and the world are now where Texas and the Lower 48 were at in 1972 and 1970, respectively. The swing producers apparently tend to peak later than the overall regions do. However, note that Texas' decline rate has been much steeper than the Lower 48 overall.
There have only been two swing producers of any consequence, Texas and Saudi Arabia. The new "swing producer" consists of releases from emergency reserves. Note that the problem is replenishing the reserves (which Bush has already postponed).
Its interesting to see how norway's income surges as its production declines, no doubt a continuing trend. Why not show what has been happening in texas since the 1971 peak - producing increasing amounts of water with decreasing oil production, but with total revenues surging, at least now?
(Higher prices don't immediately generate a recession because some regions are benefitting from the higher prices.)
I was thinking the same thing - someone mentioned this on TOD the other day too - that we should all watch for the hype when oil prices "plummet" or "tumble" or "free fall" or god knows what other feel good word they can come up with - down to around $70.
I swear I can't read anything from the MSM anymore about this (and many other) subject without thinking it's complete propoganda - in an effort to keep giving the stock market verbal CPR. So annoying...
Catskill,
Once you become POA (Peak Oil Aware) you undergo a major paradigm shift.
Almost nothing is the same any more.
The carefree "cult of comfort" stories that MSM pumps out to the lay public about their PP (Pain at the Pump) now appear as raw propaganda rather than as incisive reporting (we reporterize, you moterize and then decide ... as if, ha, you actually have a functional brain once we get through with you).
Those muscular Hemmi engine Hummers now look like like starving dinasours instead of the engineering marvels they once were.
Wal-Mart is the country too far instead of the local mega-depot for all things consumable.
I liked the old American "Dream" better. Becoming POA killed it for me. Sad. I wish I didn't know. But how do you unring the bell?
OPEC's Oil Expansion Plans May Be Delayed Due to `Rig Shortage'
May 15 (Bloomberg) -- Oil expansion plans by members of OPEC, which pumps 40 percent of the world's oil, may be delayed because of a shortage of drilling rigs, Qatar's energy minister said.
``We see that there are big shortages in rig providers because of the huge demand, so these logistical problems are delaying some projects,'' Abdullah bin Hamad al-Attiyah said in an interview in the Jordanian capital Amman, where ministers from the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries are meeting.
The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries has kept its official quotas unchanged at 28 million barrels a day for 10 months as some members including Saudi Arabia pump more than their allotment to make up for members such as Venezuela and Nigeria, which aren't meeting their share.
The group's next policy-setting meeting is on June 1 in Caracas.
Qatar's oil minister said prices around $70 a barrel may slow global economic growth and demand for crude oil.
The International Energy Agency last week lowered its estimate for crude demand by 200,000 barrels a day to 84.83 million barrels a day, reducing this year's growth to 1.5 percent.
Al-Attiyah said that oil producers are already over-supplying the market, with as much as 2 million barrels a day ``floating'' around in search of a home.
double speak ?
I would like to know where 2 million barrels a day are floating around. If this goes on since a month, there are 60 million barrels floating around ? Anyone who saw some these days ?
P.S thanks to RR for explaining argonne acounting rules. I can now tell my wife she shouldn't feel cold when its 20°C at home because 68°(F) is >> 20° :-).
Do you realize how little 2 million barrels is? It fits on one VLCC super-tanker. That might be a clue as to where it is "floating" around. There are plenty of tankers in the world - more than enough to hold an extra 60 million barrels, or even 120.
Nice point about the supertankers. Now, the supertankers in the aggregate serve as the pumps of a pipeline. If they slow down to save diesel, that'll slow delivery but the in-transit crude remains the same - just like slowing pipeline pumps.
However, just like a pipeline, that crude-in-transit isn't like a SPR where you can vary the "reserve" from zero to full. Becuse these ships are slow in the first place, there is no JIT delivery. The ships have a top speed of like 15 knots (17mph) so a trip across the Atlantic is no crosstown drive.
There was also a Reuters story, that has some additional information. Note the last sentence.
Oil tumbles. Gold, silver fall too
$2 slide follows comments that high prices could hurt economic growth and demand. Precious metals also dive.
May 15, 2006: 11:00 AM EDT
LONDON (Reuters) - Oil fell towards $70 a barrel, gold dropped almost 4 percent and copper plunged on Monday as investors feared a rally that has taken many commodities to or near record highs may slow economic growth.
U.S. crude dropped three percent after reports signaled last week that energy costs were hitting global fuel demand and consumer confidence. Greece's finance minister said on Monday that oil is as a downside risk to "strong" global growth.
"Everybody has got a bit jumpy," said Mark Mathias, managing director of Dawnay Day Quantum hedge fund. "We've seen very sharp rises over the last couple of months on equities and commodities, so it's no surprise it's being marked down a bit."
Oil prices are however unlikely to fall too far and may go even higher in future, investors say.
Supply losses in Nigeria, Africa's largest oil exporter, and concern that the standoff between Iran and the West over Tehran's nuclear work could cut exports from the OPEC member have supported oil prices this year.
"The fundamentals are still for the price to go up," Dawnay Day Quantum's Mathias said. "If it drops much below $70 it's a good buying opportunity.
"We're still looking at $100 oil in a couple of years time, because there just isn't enough oil to go around."
A possible solution to peak oil (to at least mitigate the peak or face it) would be to plan for or head for an economic downturn, thus destroying demand growth and perhaps demand overall. It could be happening now....
After its launching 8 days ago at Évora, ASPO-Portugal is starting its activities with a bilingual version of its website (www.aspo-portugal.net) and the release of the DVD on the IV International Workshop on Oil and Gas Depletion.
The DVD contains for each address made during the two days of the conference, a movie, a slide show and a written paper (if delivered). Many hours of footage are included with the addresses of Colin Campbell, Jean Laherrère, Robert Hirsch, Chris Skebrowski, Matthew Simmons, Richard Heinberg and many other specialists on Peak Oil - an invaluable media document on the subject.
And don't forget that the V International Workshop on Oil and Gas Depletion will be held next July in Pisa, organized by ASPO-Italia, more here: http://www.aspoitalia.net/
Anybody up on talking about the fact that the Gulf of Mexico temperatures have appeared to be consitently about 2-3 deg C above last year temperatures. Does this portend an earlier hurricane season? Or just stronger hurricanes?
Well, if they are Jeff Master's blog at Weather Underground would be the place to find it. He has recently made a very interesting post about the loop current and how it affects Hurricane formation. I think he probably has some Hurricane season predictions there somewhere aswell.
Although SSTs in the GOM are hotter than they were last year, SSTs in the tropical Atlantic and Caribbean sea are cooler (but still above average). Jeff Masters thinks that this hurricane season won't be as bad as 2005:
The key things to look at are the SSTs in the Caribbean and the tropical Atlantic between Africa and the Antilles Islands, since this is where 85% of all major hurricanes form. While SSTs are .5 to 1.5 degrees above normal--which is a lot!--SSTs are a full degree Centigrade cooler this year than last year at this time. This reduction in SSTs should keep this year's hurricane season from producing early major hurricanes, like Dennis and Emily of July 2005. However, once we enter the prime hurricane months of August through October, expect another above normal year for hurricanes and intense hurricanes.
His bottom line:
My worst-case scenario for 2006 is a year similar to 2004, which was awful, but modest compared to 2005.
You should look at temps in 2004 as well. April 2004 was WARMER than April 2005, but the 2004 hurricane season was LESS SEVERE than 2005. So there may not be that much correlation between springtime GOM temps and severity of hurricane season.
Millions of people around the world face death and devastation due to floods, famine, drought and violence caused by global warming, according to a report by a charity group.
A report to be released Monday by Christian Aid said 162 million people in sub-Saharan Africa alone could die of disease directly attributable to global warming by the end of the century.
It urged the British government to lead the world's richer countries in taking urgent action to curb global warming.
Poorer regions, the charity added, should be encouraged to use renewable energy sources.
If sub-Saharan Africa switched from fossil fuels to other sources of energy, including solar, wind and water, the environment would benefit and there would be more jobs, better health and enhanced opportunities for learning, the report said.
It estimated that every household in Africa could change to clean, renewable energy sources for less money than it would take to pay the region's oil bill for the next decade.
I need to blog on this pretty soon. I am far more concerned about global warming than TEOTWAWKI due to Peak Oil. There are technologies (GTL, CTL, tar sands) that will mitigate the effects of Peak Oil for a while. But these technologies are very unfriendly with respect to greenhouse gas emissions.
Regardless, I think history has shown that this will not prevent us from diving in with both feet, exacerbating an already alarming trend. If the public showed the same kind of outrage over global warming that they show toward high gas prices, then Peak Oil would get top billing on my worry list.
As far as I know, the public is unconcerned with global warming. I have actually met people who think it is a positive change (unbelievable as this is).
seriously, risk is a hard question. if one can exclude the possibility of tipping-points (big question), then it breaks out to winners and losers on a regional scale. certainly it is foolish to simply assume that you'll be one of the winners.
blythe optimism may be a good survival strategy in general, but not in ever specific.
I could believe that that statement is an American view. I think very few Europeans would say they are unconcerned or view it as a positive change. Most Europeans, in my view, are concerned with GW, but possibly think it won't affect them but certainly their children or grand children.
The Met Office are running simulations, the predictions at the moment are that the very hot European summer of 2003 will be an average summer somewhere around 2060, and a cool summer from 2070 onwards. That, of course, depends on how much CO2 is in the atmosphere and how much global dimming is reduced. That leaves a very wide range of temperatures possible.
My gut feeling is that we will be in the upper range of CO2 predictions because the public won't want to implement to changes needed to reduce CO2 emissions (i.e. a big power down in society/economy to reduce CO2 emissions).
The BBC are running a series of GW programs using the music saying "its the end of the world as we know it" with George Bush in an SUV grinning and giving a thumbs up. This is fairly typical of the BBC running GW programs every now and again.
Do you have any thoughts on how the public might receive the new movie, An Inconvenient Truth, from Al Gore that's coming out in June ?
It's been getting pretty good buzz so far from what I've read - but that's probably from those who are already concerned with the issue.
Maybe this movie can help raise additional awareness regarding climate change and can get expanded distribution across the country after its limited release.
Or perhaps there will be yet another collective yawn...
I passed by the billboards at the movie theater this weekend and didn't realize this was an Al Gore production. Al Gore may be just the right kind of person to pass this "Inconvenient" truth onto the mesmorized masses.
From what I've read Gore comes across as serious (obviously due to the content) but likable with a pretty good sense of humor in certain parts of the film. Apparently he shows alot of a side of him that wasn't so visible during his presidential campaign.
Climate Change is certainly a threat for all of us and it is so very unfortunate that so many will suffer from the effects. I found another article about peak oil climate change (from the PetroCollapseDC Conference) on this peak oil news website. A great place to find the latest
One of the points I haven't seen made too often is that the greatest negative impact of global warming will occur in the third world. Western countries won't be as badly hit, plus we can afford to deal with the problems. Third Worlders are going to be in big trouble if the climate changes. I don't have any references for this right now but I read a very detailed analysis recently that highlighted this aspect of the problem.
I think it is being downplayed, perhaps because of a concern over "compassion fatigue"; with people tired of being asked to fix Somalia and Rwanda and Darfur and everything else, now we've got to fix global warming because of Africa? So activists are playing up the impact to the West, trying to scare people into thinking their own lives will take a hit.
But that may not be scientifically correct, from what I've read, or at least it is not the whole story. The truth is that the whole world will be affected, and the worst impact will be in those countries least able to deal with challenges.
AFAICT the third world is already suffering from Climate Change and Energy Depletion. While the US as a whole is better able to deal with the problems, I think our poor will suffer a great deal. Katrina gave us a glimpse as to how the better off will react.
At the rate inflation is going, it won't be that much longer before stuffing it between the studs will be a better use for it than purchasing actual insulation.
I'm building a house soon, and have been pricing materials. Good God everything is pricey now! At my local home depot, 2"x4"x8' studs are up +66% since last spring! (when I last bought them)
RR
So does this mean they have spare capacity - And if they do, why haven't they brought it to the market to reduce the price?
I am skeptical that there is "no lack of capacity" - I would have thought at current prices all nations would bringing as much to the market as they can sell?
Why would the Saudis want to reduce the price of a commodity they are selling?
The Saudi strategy appears to have shifted with their new King. The old king allowed US forces to be stationed in SA, and kept oil prices low. The new King facilitated the removal of US forces and sees the higher prices as being in his country's best interest.
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So does this mean they have spare capacity - And if they do, why haven't they brought it to the market to reduce the price?
IMO, large, militarily weak exporters like Saudi Arabia are afraid of military takeovers; therefore, they are always trying to talk down Peak Oil theories.
It's also possible that they are trying to talk down oil prices, while they are secretly going long on the oil markets.
In any case, depletion marches on--the world is consuming (from fossil fuel + nuclear sources) the energy equivalent of a billion barrels of oil every five days.
At current rates of fossil fuel + nuclear use, we consume the energy equivalent of all of Texas' oil production to date (about 60 Gb)--every 10 months. We consume the energy equivalent of all the North Sea's oil production to date about every seven months.
http://graphoilogy.blogspot.com/
Texas and the Lower 48 as a Model for Saudi Arabia and the World
Khebab and I have been working on another paper. Above is a link to the graphs (all done by Khebab). The premise is quite simple. In terms of depletion, Saudi Arabia and the world are now where Texas and the Lower 48 were at in 1972 and 1970, respectively. The swing producers apparently tend to peak later than the overall regions do. However, note that Texas' decline rate has been much steeper than the Lower 48 overall.
There have only been two swing producers of any consequence, Texas and Saudi Arabia. The new "swing producer" consists of releases from emergency reserves. Note that the problem is replenishing the reserves (which Bush has already postponed).
(Higher prices don't immediately generate a recession because some regions are benefitting from the higher prices.)
I swear I can't read anything from the MSM anymore about this (and many other) subject without thinking it's complete propoganda - in an effort to keep giving the stock market verbal CPR. So annoying...
Once you become POA (Peak Oil Aware) you undergo a major paradigm shift.
Almost nothing is the same any more.
- The carefree "cult of comfort" stories that MSM pumps out to the lay public about their PP (Pain at the Pump) now appear as raw propaganda rather than as incisive reporting (we reporterize, you moterize and then decide ... as if, ha, you actually have a functional brain once we get through with you).
- Those muscular Hemmi engine Hummers now look like like starving dinasours instead of the engineering marvels they once were.
- Wal-Mart is the country too far instead of the local mega-depot for all things consumable.
I liked the old American "Dream" better. Becoming POA killed it for me. Sad. I wish I didn't know. But how do you unring the bell?double speak ?
I would like to know where 2 million barrels a day are floating around. If this goes on since a month, there are 60 million barrels floating around ? Anyone who saw some these days ?
P.S thanks to RR for explaining argonne acounting rules. I can now tell my wife she shouldn't feel cold when its 20°C at home because 68°(F) is >> 20° :-).
However, just like a pipeline, that crude-in-transit isn't like a SPR where you can vary the "reserve" from zero to full. Becuse these ships are slow in the first place, there is no JIT delivery. The ships have a top speed of like 15 knots (17mph) so a trip across the Atlantic is no crosstown drive.
RR
After its launching 8 days ago at Évora, ASPO-Portugal is starting its activities with a bilingual version of its website (www.aspo-portugal.net) and the release of the DVD on the IV International Workshop on Oil and Gas Depletion.
The DVD contains for each address made during the two days of the conference, a movie, a slide show and a written paper (if delivered). Many hours of footage are included with the addresses of Colin Campbell, Jean Laherrère, Robert Hirsch, Chris Skebrowski, Matthew Simmons, Richard Heinberg and many other specialists on Peak Oil - an invaluable media document on the subject.
You can watch a digest of the footage included in the DVD here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1771926373635406046
To order a copy of the DVD please visit http://www.aspo-portugal.net/
To know more about the IV International Workshop on Oil and Gas Depletion visit http://www.cge.uevora.pt/aspo2005/
And don't forget that the V International Workshop on Oil and Gas Depletion will be held next July in Pisa, organized by ASPO-Italia, more here: http://www.aspoitalia.net/
Temperatures in 2006
Temperatures in 2005
Regardless, I think history has shown that this will not prevent us from diving in with both feet, exacerbating an already alarming trend. If the public showed the same kind of outrage over global warming that they show toward high gas prices, then Peak Oil would get top billing on my worry list.
RR
seriously, risk is a hard question. if one can exclude the possibility of tipping-points (big question), then it breaks out to winners and losers on a regional scale. certainly it is foolish to simply assume that you'll be one of the winners.
blythe optimism may be a good survival strategy in general, but not in ever specific.
The Met Office are running simulations, the predictions at the moment are that the very hot European summer of 2003 will be an average summer somewhere around 2060, and a cool summer from 2070 onwards. That, of course, depends on how much CO2 is in the atmosphere and how much global dimming is reduced. That leaves a very wide range of temperatures possible.
My gut feeling is that we will be in the upper range of CO2 predictions because the public won't want to implement to changes needed to reduce CO2 emissions (i.e. a big power down in society/economy to reduce CO2 emissions).
The BBC are running a series of GW programs using the music saying "its the end of the world as we know it" with George Bush in an SUV grinning and giving a thumbs up. This is fairly typical of the BBC running GW programs every now and again.
Do you have any thoughts on how the public might receive the new movie, An Inconvenient Truth, from Al Gore that's coming out in June ?
It's been getting pretty good buzz so far from what I've read - but that's probably from those who are already concerned with the issue.
Maybe this movie can help raise additional awareness regarding climate change and can get expanded distribution across the country after its limited release.
Or perhaps there will be yet another collective yawn...
Thanks for the pointer.
Movie Trailer here
I passed by the billboards at the movie theater this weekend and didn't realize this was an Al Gore production. Al Gore may be just the right kind of person to pass this "Inconvenient" truth onto the mesmorized masses.
Saving humanity may be Mission Impossible IV.
From what I've read Gore comes across as serious (obviously due to the content) but likable with a pretty good sense of humor in certain parts of the film. Apparently he shows alot of a side of him that wasn't so visible during his presidential campaign.
I'm looking forward to seeing it.
The original article is found here: Climate Change and Peak Oil
I think it is being downplayed, perhaps because of a concern over "compassion fatigue"; with people tired of being asked to fix Somalia and Rwanda and Darfur and everything else, now we've got to fix global warming because of Africa? So activists are playing up the impact to the West, trying to scare people into thinking their own lives will take a hit.
But that may not be scientifically correct, from what I've read, or at least it is not the whole story. The truth is that the whole world will be affected, and the worst impact will be in those countries least able to deal with challenges.
I'm building a house soon, and have been pricing materials. Good God everything is pricey now! At my local home depot, 2"x4"x8' studs are up +66% since last spring! (when I last bought them)