Friday Open Thread
Posted by Prof. Goose on May 5, 2006 - 2:40pm
Jerome a Paris (one day, I will figure out how to get the accents in there, but you know who I am talking about) has a really cool piece today, where he details a thought experiment regarding the circumstances if Norway were to tomorrow decide to make oil a little less fungible.
Here's the link to "The Day of the Oslo Warning."
[editor's note, by Prof. Goose] yeah, we know TOD's running a little slow off and on today...appropriate authorities have been notified and are supposedly whipping the mice on the wheels back in to shape in an appropriate and timely manner.
Analysts skeptical of Iran oil plan
But he doesn't think it's likely:
The best write up on our fiat money system and on the petrodollar I've seen is on the www.urbansurvival.com site, called "Island Economics" there are two parts, I and II, and our money system is described in terms of the TV show Gilligan's Island, to make it understandable to Americans.
Some of the increase in the price of oil is due to the decrease in the value of the US dollar. It is taking more dollars to buy the same unit of oil, but it's taking fewer euros to buy the same amount of oil.
I believe some of what is going on is the decreased holdings of US dollars at various national banks throughout the world. What's replacing those reserves? Gold, euros, and a basket of asian currencies? You bet. As I've heard it a millions of times...to understand the real driver of global activities....FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!!
The MSM (or the federal gov't.) do not want people to recognize this due to its ramifications.
And even though the IOB seems to have lost some steam, I keep feeling it's lurking under the noise. Something is afoot here that is under the immediate radar.
Clearly, the oil exporters are becoming a growing part of the mix, with Asia becoming less important. However, it's not at all clear that there's any relationship between the decision of what currency to use for trading oil and that of what currency to hold central bank reserves in (a point well made by Jim Hamilton back in January).
The same holds true for the bilateral trade between Germany and Russia http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/10/09/047.html
La grande nation, the French also would prefer to buy oil in their own currency. http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nachrichten-2005-04/artikel-1892089.asp - 18k
So when Britain becomes net oil importer in the near future the switch from dollars to euros just might be a logical next step.
on the Oil Wars:
It's very very well done, if you are lucky enough to find it you'll watch it several times. It interweaves the story of a man whose son was lost in 9-11 and fell for the "It's Saddam's Fault" propaganda hook line and sinker, and gradually finds out it was wrong, with a run-down on US history showing our propensity to be at war with someone, anyone, preferably anyone with oil or markets we want to exploit, on a continuous basis. No matter who is in the White House.
http://www.mininova.org/tor/68961
"All buyers, not just investors, pull back"
"Speculators supposedly have fled metropolitan Phoenix's housing market, so it's no surprise that home sales have dropped as that demand has dried up.
What is surprising is that home sales and building are down more than the rate at which investors were buying last year. New-home building permits were down 16 percent for the first three months compared with a year ago, reports real estate analyst RL Brown. Resales plummeted 34 percent during the first quarter, according to the Arizona Real Estate Center at Arizona State University."
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0430biz-catherine0430.html
Only a manic bubble mentality could explain all the new building out there, the place is a real um, heckhole.
Dusty, hot, miserable, sprawly, just an awful place. You're running your heat or your AC all year, there are about 3 nice days when you need neither a year. I've seen it down in the 20s in the AM and up in the 90s in the sun later that same day.
Now, I said normal people. It does not make sense for them. I've met, or re-met, a few who moved out to CA about the same time I moved back to CA. They consistantly found that although rents are higher in cali, the increased pay makes up for it. One waitress told me, it's like getting free rent plus nice weather when she did the numbers and compared the two.
The two demographics that make sense in AZ are the retire-and-rot crowd, and criminals. When Three Strikes was enacted in California, over 100 thousand criminals skedaddled for AZ. Prison is such a big part of the economy and culture there that radio stations often broadcast what the day's prison meals are. Going to visit kin in the pen is as much a part of AZ culture as sittin' on the freeway is a part of CA culture. Although AZ actually has far worse traffic jams and aggro drivers.
I think AZ is the textbook example of what Kunstler is talking about.
Looks like it's more than just Phoenix, too.
"Doors Close for Real Estate Speculators
After Pushing Up Prices, Investors Are Left Holding Too Many Homes"
By Kirstin Downey
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 22, 2006; Page A01
Investors who sought quick profits buying and selling real estate in the Washington region are in full retreat, dampening demand for homes, most notably for condos."
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"While condominiums were the product of choice for investors, luxury neighborhoods also fell prey to real estate speculation, leading to the prospect of price drops even in affluent subdivisions."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/21/AR2006042101720.html
I hear air leaking.....
USA Today:
Home contracts dive 29% at Toll Brothers
NEW YORK (Reuters) -- Toll Brothers (TOL), a leading builder of luxury homes, said Friday that its signed contracts fell 29% in its second fiscal quarter, and it cut its forecast for the number of homes it expects to sell in fiscal 2006.
For the three months ended April 30, Toll projected preliminary contracts of roughly $1.56 billion, down from $2.2 billion in the year-ago period. Backlog for the quarter rose 3% to roughly $6.07 billion.
Article link
(1) "You don't have to shovel the heat"
(2) "It's a dry heat."
And then the bust came in the early 80s, when oil prices collapsed. All of a sudden those condos were not selling at all. Midland was surrounded by a ring that was a veritable ghost town, construction which had begun during the boom days and was now a white elephant. It took decades before that glut of housing was finally used up and the city returned to a semblance of normalcy.
The lesson is the economic booms and busts happen all the time, and what is (or may be) happening today in Phoenix has been repeated many times before.
And incidentally, Midland is a crappy place to live, too, in my opinion - freezing winters and boiling summers. At least, compared to where I live in coastal California, it's very unpleasant there in west Texas. Phoenix is even worse.
http://www.energybulletin.net/13575.html
M. King Hubbert's Lower 48 Prediction Revisited
3/6/06
By: Jeffrey J. Brown & Khebab
Excerpt:
"We are deeply concerned that the world is probably facing an imminent and catastrophic collapse in net oil export capacity because of declining production and increasing domestic consumption in the top exporting countries."
Daily Kos
Energy Bulletin (with JoP's permission)
European Tribune
Thought-provoking stuff.
Nice, JaP, nice.
-pop
Original POP post (5/4/06):
greetings all-
i went to a sustainable energy and development panel discussion last night and an issue was raised about which some clarification, confirmation or debunking, would be appreciated. i assume the oil industry types may be able to respond.
the nut of it is that the USA forbade exploration and drilling in the outer continental shelf (ocs) in the 1970s and that therefore no such (or very limited) activity has taken place, and that there is believed to be a great deal of oil 'n' gas in the ocs, and particularly off the coast of georgia/sc, and the west coast. further, that the US MMS is surreptitiously loosening restrictions.
is any of this so? makes intuitive sense, in the sense that one would expect more off-shore drilling everywhere absent such a restriction. and if it is true, should this suggest a re-thinking of the timing of the peak, whether geological or logistical? and what about collapse and the natural strategic reserve (unpumped fields)? global climate change implications are obviously negative.
anyone?
-pop
HO's response:
There are various reasons why drilling off-shore has been banned in the coastal regions around the country. There is some explanation of the situation off-California from October 1999 where you might note that both the Governor Bush, and Vice President Gore favored the moratorium on drilling off the California Coast.
"Vice President Al Gore pledged yesterday to permanently ban offshore oil drilling in California and Florida, states critical to his bid for the presidency. . . . . . . . .Margita Thompson, Bush's California campaign spokeswoman, said, ``Gov. Bush has consistently supported and will continue to support the current moratorium. As a governor, he understands the importance of listening to local concerns. As president, he will take a hard look at current leases on a case-by-case basis, with a strong deference to local concerns.''
The issue of offshore oil drilling has been the focus of decades of environmental debate in California, where there are 43 active drilling sites. Owners of another 36 still have drilling rights.
New drilling is on hold until the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service finishes a $1.5 million feasibility study." (Quote from 10/99 SF Gate article, which is the linked article)
thanks,
-pop
You might find this article of interest:
http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBD9IDSEAE.html
Shell says reserves may slip more
(Ok I borowed it from Totoneila but I think it's best to greet all the people around!)
I read the essay made by Jerôme à Paris regarding the fictional stopping of oil exportation from Norway. Just Imagine what a less friendly country will a huge demand could do to the market if it were to happen.
On a bright side, I met my hometown mayor this morning with the general manager. I had produced a report in french just to state the PO problem with criticts and analisys of alternatives. We only could go trough the conclusions of the report wich are :
From the start they say they will take a torough look at the issue and think of what can be done from our perspective. I guess they need some time to chew it and sink it for themselves.
The general manager is somewhat of a friend (as someone 20 years older can be a friend!) and told me her girl and their friends are making 2 big gardens for 4 families and expect to be self sufficient this winter. He's grandson has not ever eated industrial farming products, cow milk or ice cream.
Since I'm deeply involved in my hometown, the message was really taken seriously. Also I didnt took the environmental way nor did I had to go deeply in the consequences. Merely stating that if a spike would occur between september and april, there could be food shortage and life threathning hunger.
What they offered already is some arable land owned by the city could be made available to grow food. Tractors, fuel and seeds could be given by the city. People would have to fill in for benevolent work. Also we agreed that before getting the normal citizen to learn about it, we would have to put up a plan so we could prevent hysteria and panic.
They also saw that taking first step toward readying our city would entice green people to establish around here and geting an influx of youth people (we had an youth exodus dating from 12 years ago)
The Quebec goverment has just realeased their new energy strategy yesterday and they asked me what I did think of that strategy. I said that they talk about ethanol from wood waste and oil exploration under the Saint-Lawrent River. I told them that ethanol was an energy looser and that wood harvesting industry has an 30% input in fuel. Wood harvesting industry, already hurted by scores of bad news (tariff barrier with US, raising of dollar from 0,60$US to 0,90$US in 3 years, a cut in the available wood alotment, you know real stinky bad news) would be about the first to fold in the advent of rise in oil price. Also we have good hydro electric dams but they are located way up north. I told them that it TSHTF, there is not much hope from keeping them running easylly. I told them to read the part regarding alternatives.
Since I'm the general manager of the Chamber of commerce, I also told all administrator about the PO problem and talked the president into thinking there was an opportunity when there is a crisis (he's a buisness man, so to win a buisness man, you have to talk buisness). And I told him about the post carbon institute and that they advocate relocalization. Since, like me, he has our city engraved in his heart, that soothed him a lot. I also told him that in 3 to 5 years at most there is no hope for most (if not all) buisnesses around here. I also told him that while buisiness would be dead, people would still needing food, toothpaste, tools, woods, etc and that new buisiness would incur, no matter what we will have to go trough.
Because I can go and talk to almost anybody important around town and they let me in without a warning call, I had met the general manager of the Union Bank (caisse populaire Sieur de Roberval, I know it's a weird name, but we like it a lot) last friday. Apart from asking him money for one of my involment I talked to him about the pending PO problems. I didnt had the time to go trough it toroughly but he was receptive. I advanded the idea of putting forward a new local currency, like the one in Salt Spring, BC. I had not completed the report and wanted to meet with the mayor before showing it to him. He think that I have a very inovative Idea and not current way of thinking but he is open to that idea.
I have already given copies of my report (I will put up a website shortly to make it available to all, creating websites is my sideline job) to all the administrator of the Chamber of commerce and I have put up a presentation next tuesday (may 9th). I will use power point slides and photos of main PO actors and players (Roscoe Bartlett, Simmons, Campbell, Deffeyes, Kunstler, Hubbert, Rainwater, Hirsch, etc) graphics and such. I think some already take my findings seriously and I what to steer them to do stuff regarding this.
I know it will not be easy to steer them toward a new paradigm (a new way of thinking abour their like) but since I make the emphasis in the way I care for them, they will get it.
Also I tell them that there is no real way of telling when TSHTF but that preparing for at least food security might not be too hard to do while they keep on doing what they do best already to earn their life. I have put forward just a few important things to do to cope with PO problems :
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:44 AM
To: ljcook@chron.com
Subject: Al-Saif
Lynn, Great story on the new Saudi oil production. From your article I understand that they are adding 2.7mb/day from Khurais, Abu Jifan and Mazalif fields by 2009. According to Platts the existing fields are depleting at 8% annually so if you take that as 750,000mb/day, then by 2009, the total output will be 9.8 + 2.7 - 3*0.75 = 10.1mb/day. Do I have that right? I didn't take into consideration filling of tank farms, could that be the source of error?
-Robert, oil futures trader
or does he have a picture of al-Saif? It's usually al-Naimi, isn't it?
From: Robert
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:57 PM
To: Cook, Lynn (Business)
Subject: Re: Al-Saif
Lynn, I see, so 4% annual deletion at 9.5 mb/day (according to IEA) would be 0.38 mb/day which that changes my calculation to 9.5 + 2.7 - (3 * 0.38) = 11mb/day.
I still don't see how he gets 12.5mb/day.
Source of data IEA
-Robert
My 1994 oil blog
4% depletion instead of 8%
It would be irresponsible of me to shirk my responsibilities in this area....
At CSIS US-Saudi Energy Dialog, Secretary Bodman was asked about peak oil:
"SEC. BODMAN: Well, the theory is, I think, accurate insofar as any theory. And that is eventually - as the minister has said, eventually, we're going to run out of oil. We will have produced that which we can. We've seen, for example, in the United States - we have seen production decline. And we had peak oil in our country - in the lower 48 anyway - 1980 roughly?
DR. SCHLESINGER: 1970.
SEC. BODMAN: 1970, thank you. Well, I was within 10 years..."
http://www.csis.org/media/csis/events/060501_energy_transcript.pdf
at night thinking about PO.
And being off by 10 years on such an important and recent milestone in US energy history seems like a VERY big deal to me.
Just another Bush-oid who can't be bothered with all those pesky details, I suppose.
It is this fact of great strategic vulnerability which the U.S. elite conceals from the American people because it exposes the elite's own incompetence and vulnerability. Every malefactor in the world knows what Uncle Sam wants and how badly he needs it....just give me one more fix, Mister.
http://www.natives.co.uk/do/ecco.py/view_item?listid=9&listcatid=39&listitemid=1530
Better have a high-availability plan in place!
You wouldn't be able to run the forums but you could get contributor analysis posted up (even just in flat text), which would be valuable during a time of fog.
On the other hand, since I'd be cowering down in my spider hole where the wireless connectivity sucks, I wouldn't get to see that much of it.
Owning a small foundry, a lathe, a milling machine, and other assorted tools means you and yours will lead a community to a localized economy. Keeping your neighbors tractor running on homemade fuel means he makes sure you don't go hungry.
Making horseshoes puts you on good terms with your Amish neighbors. I keep seeing Amish in so many places these days. Having never become dependent on petroleum makes them a repository of skills suburbanites never thought about. Any folks at TOD know how to make linen from home grown flax and the soap to keep it clean. Where will you get your tallow? What about lye needed to make your biodiesel?
How are you going to lubricate the gears in your wind generator? What you gonna do when the bottom of your woodstove rusts through? The guy who can turn a junk SUV into the things you really need will be sitting pretty.
In recent months, traffic has been inching back up though. Don't know how much longer it will be until we exceed last Sept.
http://www.petroleumnews.com/pntruncate/769687358.shtml
i'd say it is consistent with tertzakian's supply chain and break point argument. a moderate expectation of a couple decades of rising prices, no silver bullets, but (grudging?) adjustment.
And of course the observation that even with gas prices up around $7 a gallon, Brits drive all they possibly can. This point needs to be hammered on repeatedly even more than it already is. I honestly thing there's maybe a percentage like .001% of humanity who would turn their noses up at having a car, and driving it everywhere, and that includes to the mailbox 100 ft from their front door. Heck I live in an apartment complex and people get their mail from their car door, parking in front of the mailboxes, rather than just park the damned thing and get the mail as they're walking from their parking spot to the door. New immigrants are as addicted to this habit as any 400lb Wisconsinite. Cars as crack indeed.
Alter thinks we came very close to TEOTWAWKI during the Great Depression. He said in some areas, unemployment was as high as 85%. Families had their whole life savings wiped out in the banking crisis, and the threat of mass violence loomed. Many felt capitalism had failed, and that democracy was failing, too. He claims FDR even considered imposing martial law.
Haven't read the book, but he seemed to be crediting FDR, not so much for his actual policies, but for his leadership. For giving America hope.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=24166
Want VS Reality
(assumption: Iraq was about oil control)
Reality:
The US can't get oil out of Iraq with the present troop levels.
Exactly HOW does oil flow out of Iran and Saudi Arabia if the US attacks them? How would increased troop levels stop attacks on the oil infrastructure?
I'm not seeing a viable plan to execute to 'control' Iran and Saudi Arabia oil based on the Iraq performace.
BTW, the plan does not have to make sense to us, it is sufficient that it make sense to those who get to make the decision. We just get to deal with the results.
U.S. Natural Gas Production in billion cubic feet
2003 24, 118 Peak
2004 24, 055 -0.2%
2005 23, 500 -2.3%
2006 Jan/Feb -3.0%
The U.S. apparently peaked in natural gas production in 2003. Production has not been able to re-attain the 2003 level despite an increasing price and an increased number of wells. In 2005, the U.S. was producing at a level of about 0.4% below 2004, until the hurricane season hit and made the situation worse. Natural gas production from the Gulf of Mexico is not, however, as large a factor as oil production in the Gulf. The current 3% decline may be due to residual effects from the hurricane season, but these are likely to linger through at least the first half of the year, after which the comparison with 2005 may improve - but only if we are spared more Gulf hurricanes.
Canadian natural gas production has been on a ragged plateau since 2000, at roughly one quarter of U.S. production. Some significant discoveries early this decade may have prevented an earlier peak. Slightly more than half of the natural gas produced in Canada is exported to the U.S. This contributes to the U.S. supply as shown below:
Natural Gas Imports from Canada in billion cubic feet
2004 4258
2005 4285 0.2%
2006 Jan/Feb -17.3%
Canada supplies about 15% of the natural gas used by the U.S. The sharp reduction in 2006 Jan/Feb imports is immediately suspicious, and is probably due in large part to the unusually warm Jan/Feb months in the U.S. However, December imports were also down 6%, and December was not a warm month. Whether or not this is a trend of reduced natural gas imports from Canada is probably too soon to tell. Imports of liquid natural gas make up about 2.6% of the U.S. supply, and will remain too small in 2006 to significantly affect the total.
The combination of reduced U.S. production and reduced Canadian imports will likely create a situation where total U.S. supply is down about 4% from last year.
Current U.S. natural gas storage as of the end of Feb 2006 is 6090 billion cubic feet, or about 3 months supply. Measured in terms of months of supply, this is quite a bit more supply than oil inventories, which only run around 3 weeks. It is also quite large compared to what happened with natural gas in England this winter, where they got down below two weeks supply, I believe. The shortfall in 2005 production was completely mitigated by the warm weather in the winter, with stocks now 5.5% above last year's levels. They had been below the previous year's levels in December.
Gas usage in the U.S. breaks down as follows:
Residential 22.1%
Commercial 13.9%
Industrial 30.2%
Electricity 26.4%
Other the rest
Looking at the electricity component, natural gas now supplies 18.6% of the electricity generated in the U.S. This is an annual figure, but the seasonal variation is large. In the summer, natural gas supplies about 25% of the electricity, primarily due to air conditioning. In the winter, the figure drops substantially as natural gas is applied to heating rather than electricity.
The electricity component is the most sensitive area in the short and medium term, because any shortfall in natural gas supply will be taken from electricity. Utility companies are very sensitive to the issue of cutting residential or commercial supply - interruptions in gas supply will cut off supply to burning units and pilot lights, and resumptions will fill buildings with gas, creating health and fire hazards. Industrial users of natural gas are not usually very flexible with alternatives to natural gas. As a result, any shortfall will be taken almost entirely from the electricity supply, since there are alternate sources of electricity, and the consequences are less severe - at least at first.
The problem is likely to develop in the medium and long term. Two thirds of the new electricity generation supply since 2000 has come from natural gas, and now it appears that this source of supply will decline. Furthermore, most of the new power generation capability scheduled to come on line this year is based on natural gas. Electricity generation capacity has been an issue already this year, with rolling blackouts in Texas a few weeks ago. California had a worse experience several years back. Supply is somewhat tight. The natural gas situation will not help.
Most of the figures on this post come from the EIA site:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/natural_gas/data_publications/natural_gas_monthly/ngm.html
Craig
I was reading somewhere about how the power companies want to build a large number of coal burning plants in the next ten years. My gut tells me that they see the writing on the wall, and want to get off of natural gas. Or at least have the option of getting off of the stuff.
Will VERY high NG prices slow down/idle tar sands operations ?
Otherwise, I agree with your points. We've discussed it quite a bit before (eg see this post of Dave's)
Oil 153.5 million brls 7.3 days 2% annual US consumption
NG 749 bcf 11.4 days 3.1% annual US consumption
The quote is right from the website of an environmental conference taking place June 2 - 4, 2006 at CalTech. It's hosted by the Skeptics Society and includes some big names on the speaker's list (John Stossel, Michael Crichton, Nobel lauriate Dr. David Baltimore, with Michael Shermer acting as host).
The site for the conference: http://www.environmentalwars.org/