Burning Buried Sunshine
Posted by Dave Cohen on September 27, 2006 - 4:07pm
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: bioenergy, carbon emissions, climate change, ecological footprint, fossil fuels, jeffrey dukes, mathis wackernagel, overshoot, peat swamp forests [list all tags]
Figure 1
Sustainability requires living within the regenerative capacity of the biosphere. In an attempt to measure the extent to which humanity satisfies this requirement, we use existing data to translate human demand on the environment into the area required for the production of food and other goods, together with the absorption of wastes. Our accounts indicate that human demand may well have exceeded the biosphere's regenerative capacity since the 1980s. According to this preliminary and exploratory assessment, humanity's load corresponded to 70% of the capacity of the global biosphere in 1961, and grew to 120% in 1999.
Tracking Ecological Overshoot
The purpose of the Wackernagel, et. al. study was to develop an accounting framework by which the "extent of humanity's current demand on the planet's bioproductive capacity" could be measured. Unlike earlier studies like Human Appropriation of the products of photosynthesis by Vitousek, Erhlich, et. al. (1986), which used consumption estimates to calculate humanity's aggregate usage of the Earth's net primary productivity (NPP), Wackernagel took a different approach by calculating humanity's natural capital usage measured in biophysical units. Figure 2 shows their categories and accounting measured in hectares.

Global ecological demand over time, in global
hectares. This graph documents humanity's area
demand in six different categories. The six
categories are shown on top of each other,
demonstrating a total area demand of over 13
billion global hectares in 1999. Global hectares
represent biologically productive hectares with
global average bioproductivity in that year.
Figure 2
Naturally, the largest and fastest growing component energy is of interest here. The approach taken was to calculate the biologically productive area required to sequester enough carbon dioxide (CO2) to avoid increases in atmospheric levels.
Because the world's oceans absorb about 35% of the CO2 emissions from fossil fuel combustion, we account only for the remaining 65%, based on each year's capacity of world-average forests to sequester carbon. This capacity is estimated by taking a weighted average across 26 forest biomes as reported by the IPCC and the FAO.As they note, there is a lot of uncertainty in this terrestrial carbon sinks methodology because both the land-based and ocean sinks may change in the future due to a number of factors. For background here at TOD, see Stuart Staniford's The Carbon Economy. See my comment note there and also look at The Oceanic Sink for Anthropogenic CO2 if you would like to read further.
For the purposes of this story, the key insight regards the carbon cycle as shown in Figure 3.
Figure 3 -- click to enlarge
On geological timescales of millions of years, carbon is recycled through the interaction ofamong other thingsplate tectonics, sedimentation (burial) and volcanism. Plainly, we dig up the fossil fuels, or drill for them, and then burn them for the ancient stored energy they contain. By burning fossil fuels, humankind has altered the current carbon cycle such that we are moving carbon more rapidly from the lithosphere into the atmosphere than would otherwise occur. Currently, CO2 constitutes about 381 million parts per volume (ppmv) in the atmosphere, an increase of over 100 ppmv over pre-industrial times.
Wackernagle et. al. note that an alternative to the sequestration approach would be to calculate the "area requirement for a fossil fuel substitute from biomass, using current technology [which] leads to similar or even larger area demands [than the sequestration approach shown in Figure 2]." Jeffrey Dukes believes that the "ecological footprint" analysis they use is inadequate, saying that "true analyses of sustainability must take into account the land or NPP needed to replace the stored [fossil fuel] energy that we use." So, that is what he set out to do.
Burning Buried Sunshine
To understand Dukes' results, it is necessary to understand his methodology.Here, I have compiled data on: (1) the proportion of fossil fuel reserves derived from different environments (i.e., terrestrial vs. marine vs. lacustrine), (2) the efficiency with which photosynthetic organisms are converted to peat or carbonrich sediment in these environments, (3) the efficiency with which organic deposits were converted to fossil fuels, and (4) the efficiency with which we are able to retrieve fossil fuels from near the earth's surface. From these data, I calculate the amount of paleoproductivity that was needed to create fossil fuels. I also estimate the amount of solar energy consumed by humans in the form of fossil fuels, compare the solar efficiency of fossil fuels to that of more modern sources of solar-derived energy, and estimate the minimum amount of modern photosynthetic product necessary to replace fossil fuel energy.Dukes then calculates the RF of NPP for both coal and petroleum. Both of these sections of his paper are highly recommended becauseaside from telling us how Dukes made his calculations they provide excellent detail about the geological settings and processes by which fossil fuels have been created "for our use" during the Phanerozoic Eon that started with the Cambrian Explosion about 543 million years ago.In this paper, a preservation factor (PF) is defined as the fraction of carbon that remains at the end of a transition from one fossil fuel precursor to the next, such as that from plant matter to peat, on the path to coal formation. A recovery factor (RF) is defined as the proportion of original photosynthetic product recovered as fossil fuel. Recovery factors are the product of the PFs of each transition and additional terms for extraction efficiency (for instance, the fraction of existing coal that can be mined from deposits given today's economic and technological setting).
As it turns out, the RF for both is quite small as you can see in Figure 4. In moving from ancient buried plant matter to final extraction, almost all of the original carbon is lost. For oil, the RF = .09%, for gas, the RF = .08%. For coal the RF = 9%. So, the whole process, especially for oil & natural gas, is terribly inefficient.
Best estimate (thick line) and high and low limits
(thin lines) for the percent of photosynthetically fixed
carbon retained during fuel generation and
extraction. The final value in each panel is
the equivalent of a recovery factor (RF) for the
fuel type. The actual RF for coal varies slightly
from the value in the figure, because both brown
coal and hard coal are extracted from the earth.
Figure 4
Dukes' section 5, Applications of the Recovery Factors, is the "fun facts" part of his paper.
- The RF for oil suggests that 89 metric tons of ancient plant matter were required to create 1 U.S. Gallon [3.8 L] of gasoline.
- RFs were used to estimate the amount of ancient photosynthetic product consumed annually in the form of fossil fuels. Approximately 44 Eg (44 × 10^18 grams) of photosynthetic product carbon were necessary to generate the fossil fuels burned in the reference year 1997. This is equivalent to 422 times the net amount of carbon that is fixed globally each year, or 73 times the global standing stock of carbon in vegetation.
- Paleoproductivity use over time (shown in Figure 5 below) suggests that societal consumption of this resource has exceeded the current rate of global carbon fixation since 1888. Cumulative paleoproductivity consumption from 1751 to 1998 exceeds 1.4 × 103 Eg of carbon (as above), which is more than 13,300 years' worth of global NPP.
Figure 5 shows the human consumption of paleoproductivity (in petragrams (Pg) of carbon per year, where
1 teragram (Tg) Carbon = 10^12 grams
1 petragram (Pg) Carbon = 10^15 grams
1 gigatonne (Gt) Carbon = 10^9 tonnes
1 megatonne (Mt) Carbon = 10^6 tonnes
1 petragram Carbon = 1 gigatonnes Carbon
1 teragram Carbon = 1 megatonnes Carbon
Don't miss the thick line (lower right) -- Figure 5
Paleoconsumption refers to the amount of ancient NPP (photosynthetically fixed carbon) that was required to generate the fossil fuels used annually between 1751 and 1998, where the thin dark line is the best estimate and the grey space is the high & low error limits. The horizontal bars represent estimates for the current annual NPP (terrestrial excludes the oceans). The thick line, which starts in 1980, represents Dukes' "conservative estimate of the amount of biomass that would be consumed if fossil fuel energy sources were replaced with modern biofuels." Also, "the onset of oil consumption in 1870 causes the jump in the high limit and best estimate [the thin, dark line, from 0 to 1] for paleoproductivity consumption" because of the large unit of measurement used.
The University of Utah 2003 press release focused on results #1 through #3 above and some other calculations made by Dukes.
"Can you imagine loading 40 acres worth of wheat - stalks, roots and all - into the tank of your car or SUV every 20 miles?" asks ecologist Jeff Dukes...These shocking results bring home the meaning of the word sustainability. They also allow us to understand the meaning of studies on transportation biofuels like Environmental, economic, and energetic costs and benefits of biodiesel and ethanol biofuels from the University of Minnesota (PNAS, July 25, 2006. vol. 103, no. 30, pp. 11206-11210).Dukes then divided the 1997 fossil fuel use equivalent of 7.1 trillion kilograms of carbon in plant matter by 31.6 trillion kilograms now available in plants. He found we would need to harvest 22 percent of all land plants just to equal the fossil fuel energy used in 1997 - about a 50 percent increase over the amount of plants now removed or paved over each year.
"Relying totally on biomass for our power - using crop residues and quick-growing forests as fuel sources - would force us to dedicate a huge part of the landscape to growing these fuels. It would have major environmental consequences. We would have to choose between our rain forests and our vehicles and appliances. Biomass burning can be part of the solution if we use agricultural wastes, but other technologies have to be a major part of the solution as well - things like wind and solar power." [Dukes said]
Relative to the fossil fuels they displace, greenhouse gas emissions are reduced 12% by the production and combustion of ethanol [from corn] and 41% by biodiesel [from soybeans]. Biodiesel also releases less air pollutants per net energy gain than ethanol. These advantages of biodiesel over ethanol come from lower agricultural inputs and more efficient conversion of feedstocks to fuel. Neither biofuel can replace much petroleum without impacting food supplies. Even dedicating all U.S. corn and soybean production to biofuels would meet only 12% of gasoline demand and 6% of diesel demand.All such study results follow in the larger sense from Dukes' analysis.
The Fate of Recently Buried Sunshine
It should not surprise anyone that the geological processes leading to fossil fuels creation continue up to the present. However, the word "recent" does not mean "last week" or even a hundred years ago; rather, it refers to peat formation over the entire course of the Holocene10,000 radiocarbon years, about 11,430 ± 130 calendar years before the present (BP) and the upper Pleistocene (from 1.81 million years BP up to the Holocene). Unfortunately, this peat is not staying buried.Dukes makes the standard assumption that much of the Earth's coal accumulated in peat swamp forests like those in Indonesia and Malaysia.
A "blackwater" peat swamp forest
Peat is a precursor to coal. Given time, pressure and heat, peat becomes brown coallignite or sub-bituminous. Eventually, bituminous or anthracite hard coal is created. See Dukes' article for the details. However, these peat swamp forests have been burning in recent years, releasing "million of tons of harmful greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.".
Fires occur often during the dry season on the South East Asian island of Borneo, but it isn't only the forests that burn. Lowland tropical peat swamps are formed from layers of woody debris too waterlogged to fully decompose. Slowly deposited over thousands of years, the carbon-rich peat strata have been known to reach a thickness of up to 20 metres.Aside from human destruction of the peat, there is an observation concerning how long ago the released carbon (or methane) was buried. The take home message, discussed in relation to melting permafrost, is summarized here:By rights these humid peat swamps shouldn't be vulnerable to flame but during the last couple of decades the Indonesian government started draining them for conversion into agricultural land. In an unfortunate side effect the dried-up peat swamps are turned into tinderboxes - and once a peat fire begins smouldering it is almost impossible to put out.
The age of soil exposed by melting permafrost has an important impact on the release of carbon dioxide and methane and helps determine possible climate changes. If permafrost thawing exposes relatively young peat, its carbon would have been sequestered fairly recently and its release will result in little or no net increase to the world's atmospheric carbon load (O'Hanlon, 2005). However, if old peat is also exposed and then decomposes, the carbon produced will be similar to the emissions from burning fossil fuels, releasing carbon that has been stored away from the atmosphere for millions of years.Similar remarks apply to the Southeast Asia's peat swamp forests. Although the word "old" is not defined in the text above, the insight is clear enough. For example, in the 19th century, particularly between 1830 and 1880, the forests of New England were cleared for agriculture. Ignoring the complex arguments concerning the overall effects on emissions of landuse changes, the 20th century reforestation of New England might be viewed as offsetting any stored carbon lost when the trees were cut down. However, if the carbon was buried thousands of years ago, no such argument can be made.
The peatlands situation in the Arctic, particularly Western Siberia, is potentially worse than the destruction of Indonesia's peat swamp forests. In Climate warning as Siberia melts, we learn that
- Western Siberia, an area the size of France and Germany combined, has warmed by 3°C in the last 40 years, resulting in rapid melting of the world's largest peat bog.
- The peat bogs formed approximately 11,000 years ago at the end of the last Ice Age.
- The West Siberian region contains about 70 gigatonnes of methane, about 1/4th of all the methane stored on the world's land surface. "If the bogs dry out as they warm, the methane will oxidise and escape into the air as carbon dioxide. But if the bogs remain wet, as is the case in western Siberia today, then the methane will be released straight into the atmosphere. Methane is 20 times as potent a greenhouse gas as carbon dioxide."
There is an ongoing argument among scientists, summarized in this International Polar Year proposal, over whether new plant growth in the warming terrestrial region will replace or even increase NPP there. Thus, more carbon would be stored than is lost from the initial burst of decomposition & respiration in Arctic permafrost and peatlands in response to higher mean surface temperatures in the region. However, prima facie, no increase in biomass and therefore annual NPP in the Arctic can offset the loss of ancient carbon which has been accumulating in peatlands since they were established between 9.5 and 11 thousand years agoa total of 70 gigatonnes representing ~26% of all terrestrial carbon formed since the Last Glacial Maximum. This is just the kind of observation Dukes makes in his study.
Quantifiying, Understanding and Managing the Carbon Cycle in the Next Decades (pdf) states that "a preliminary estimate suggests that up to 100 PgC of CO2 equivalent could be released to the atmosphere from wetlands and peatlands over the next 100 years." The estimate includes both the Arctic and the tropical peatlands. 100 petragrams = 100 gigatonnes. CO2 emissions from human burning of fossil fuels amount to approximately 7 gigatonnes per year. So, current studies indicate that the fate of sequestered carbon in Arctic and tropical peat is ultimately release into the Earth's atmosphere and oceans.
The essay has attempted to describe the bigger picture concerning the sustainability of the way we live on the Earth. It seems obvious that as demand for fossil fuels increases, population increases, stress on natural resources increases and the amount of greenhouse gas emissions increases, that eventually something's gotta give. And now, a final thought.
The Planet Earth has been shot.
Round up the usual suspects



Pretty amazing...for a computer game character.
We've hit the trifecta.
What in the blue blazes is "TRIFECTA"?
It's a horseracing term, that more generally means getting three things to happen at the same time.
And direct anthropogenic emissions pale beside the emissions from unintended consequences - god laughs.
Memo to all readers: assemble at nearest peatland, bring spade with which to aid drying to peat (so it goes to co2 not ch4). Should the Irish be put in charge? I'd vote for a picture of Spike Milligan.
Utah Phillips
However, I wonder if the conditions are really sufficient for cracking. Take a typical petroleum deposit a mile down. While the pressure is high (say roughly 3,500 psi), the temperature is probably less than 200 degrees F. So here's the question: don't you need a much higher temperature for any cracking to take place?
For example, if you take say soy bean oil, put it in a pressurized vessel at 3,500 psi and raise the temperature to 200 degrees F, I doubt that you're going to see much happen. And I'm not sure that time is the answer, because if a chemical reaction is not thermodynamically favored in the first place, the supposed reactants can sit there forever and nothing will happen. (I think this is one of the arguments put forth by some of the abiotic crowd, but I haven't the expertise in petroleum chemistry to judge the merits of such arguments.)
Or is the answer that these deposits were at one time much deeper and that the product of the cracking having migrated upward to their present level?
To put the question another way, is there some minimum pressure/temperature regime below which no petroleum will form regardless of what time period is allowed?
Its the shale source rock that is baked not the resiovor where you find the oil. The temperature need not be that high I guess the lower limit might be surprising say 200-500 C and I think the role of microbes in the formation of oil is under estimated.
This link claims 600 C
http://www.hubbertpeak.com/shale/
But this is on the surface and for rapid formation. As I said
I think you can get formation at much lower temperatures once you consider microbes and millions of years.
I'm guessing your looking for a uplift event on a sedimentry plain or dried ocean to provide the energy and the oil will flow into the sandstone or carbonate basin and be trapped under salt domes.
Its intresting that the uplift is probably the cause of both the conditions for capture and the source of heat for oil formation.
There are a few places on earth were you have heat and shale
that may have significant oil deposits that we have not looked into. Its along subduction zones and along the deep sea trenches where the sea floor is spreading. Also there are a number of mountain ranges in the deep ocean which might have oil nearby. I'd call this ultra desperate oil.
Methane hydrates are found in abundance along the subduction zones for example and the formation is biological. This is why I think the contributions of bugs to making the oil is underestimated. In any case if we are ever crazy enough to start drilling into these areas it probably makes more sense to go after the methane then any oil thats forming. Call it biotic deep oil. There is a huge amount of reduced carbon locked away in the deep ocean silt.
Here is a drill record note carbon content is in the percentage range.
http://www-odp.tamu.edu/publications/prelim/188_prel/188s1166.html
So in a sense the earth probably still has large quantities
of oil and methane left considering the source conditions of
silt and heat are common but very little of it is probably in the nice large pools we like to drill. I think that almost all dry holes hit traces of oil pretty much anywhere you drill. So there are huge quantities of dispersed small oil pockets.
There is so much focus on commercial deposits that a lot of people don't think to much about the extent of far more common non commercial oil pockets. Like any natural resource small quantities can be found wherever conditions are halfway reasonable but large deposits are rare.
Thank you. That was a very nice explanation.
Having spent most of my career in the environmental field, I am far more familiar with anaerobic biological processes than petroleum geology and chemistry. Given the ubiquity and incredible versatility of microorganisms, I would be very surprised if some sort of very slow biological processes had NOT been at work in the formation of oil.
However, all biological processes involve any number of oxidation/reduction reactions. So if indeed some of the final petroleum constituents are in a more reduced state than the starting bio lipid material, then it would follow that something down there must have been functioning as a reducing agent. I wonder what that something might have been? One possibility that comes to mind is sulfur and its many compounds, which always seem to be found, in greater or lesser amounts, with oil.
I'm also glad that you pointed out that at a certain depth it is quite common to find traces of petroleum, but that commercially feasible deposits are quite rare. The highly dispersed oil may amount to a total many billions of barrels but it ain't gonna do no one no good never.
I'm a landman, not a geologist, but I had a couple of courses a quarter of a century ago. A geologist like West Texas or a geochemist could provide you with a much better explanation. But, the article you linked to said that Shell Oil was heating oil shale to 600 degrees C. in order to cook kerogens in to oil that could be produced. Thats not a natural process, the real old fashioned grease out of rocks was originally produced at lower temperatures. There is a thermal window below which oil is not produced and above which oil is cracked to natural gas and condensate. There is very little oil more shallow than 1,000 ft or deeper than 10,000 ft.
But you are definitely right about marginal, sub-economic amounts of oil being present in many rocks, particularly shales. I'm also fairly certain many microbes help in this process.
I'm glad guys like you think about things and are curious. A huge amount of basic science was done and is stil done by gifted amatuers. Einstein was a postal clerk!
My understanding is salt domes are caused by salt deposits left from dried up shallow seas.
I don't know how common they are in the deep ocean if they do exist then the other place to look for larg pockets of oil would be near volcanic or undersea mount regions. Even in the deap sea. This would be caused by mangma intrusions baking the deep silt of the ocean floor. The conditions to recover it would be insane. Large carbonate deposits exist to act as a resevior I just no nothing about salt domes existing past the continental shelf.
http://www.nps.gov/archive/brca/geodetect/Rocks%20&%20Minerals/sed%20extention.htm
And this suggest there are salt domes and deposits off the continetal shelf.
http://geology.about.com/od/regional_geology/a/aa042698whales.htm
And this is a really cool link about the gulf geology.
http://www.oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/06mexico/background/geology/geology.html
"Killing themselves would be the best thing to prove that they are true believers by removing another person from our overpopulated planet."
I disagree. Killing as many people as possible before being taken down by the authorities would both be better proof and be more "helpful".
From time to time, I allow myself to think about what the best way of saving humanity from it's excesses might be, assuming the ends justify all means. Again and again, I come up with a 12 Monkeys-like event (releasing a bacteria or virus that indiscriminately wipes out the majority of humanity). Now, I'm not promoting anything along these lines (my morals certainly don't allow it), but ironically, it looks like nature is making significant headway in this direction (avian flu, West Nile virus, AIDS).
Personally, I'd rather that humanity educate itself on sustainability and collectively adopt a lifestyle within a framework of sustainable systems. I'm personally working towards this end on a personal level, but I don't know how one would enspire this sort of behaviour on a large scale. (I can't even convince my wife to do anything other than to barely tolerate my actions. As I move forward, I expect that there will be conflict on this front.)
It all depends on how the continental topdogs wish to play this out. Do they wish to continue the infinite growth paradigm or jumpstart a wholesale shift to true, shared biosolar sustainability at a vastly reduced level of everything? I speculate that they will go for a mixture across the North American geography. Detritus MPP for them, and rapid, but forced postPeak biosolar MPP livestyles for the rest.
Consider the latest Hirsch update of 15 favored detritovore states and the continuing topdog push for SuperNafta. Since the human harnessing of fire so long ago: an eventual global "Dictatorship of the Detritovores" is the paramount result. Never forget that at this advanced state of Global Overshoot: Detritus means Life.
How might this play out? I think it is highly plausible to have 'National Sacrifice Zones' of massive ecosystem destruction for continued detritus extraction, and 'National Sacrifice Zones' of massive human destruction for biosolar living at the same time.
The Southwest is a logical place for this to start, IMO, due to incredible Overshoot and high per capita detritus burn-rates. The Asphalt Wonderland is paving its Doom despite my best email efforts. Recall in my previous postings how I doubt Cascadia, and other areas seeking early biosolar legislative Secession, will gladly welcome a migration influx of 50 million from the cities in the Southwest postPeak.
Lower latitude heat waves and droughts are demographically optimal for reducing headcount and preparing us for the squeeze through the Dieoff Bottleneck. Recall how quick and effective the tragic 2003 European heatwave was in elderly deathrates: it is Nature's best way to non-violently reduce competition for the remaining resources. Contrast this with competition in a climatic area of ideal temperatures: people have to fight each other for essential goods to reduce headcount.
We know that Cantarell is crashing, and worldwide detritus depletion is inevitable. It is a foregone conclusion that the detritus infrastructure spiderweb will shrink to support the rich detritovores. We can also expect the great unwashed masses of uninformed North American detritovores to protest and/or riot at some future inflection point.
The eventual US-MEX border fence will be ideal place to isolate some of the poor detritovores in the postPeak future as SuperNAFTA proceeds. Some of the funding for KBR workcamps will be to basically dump some violent protestors south of the border. With proper MSM coverage: these dire conditions will make the remaining protestors very compliant for the '3 Days of the Condor' scenario. They will then gladly accept the re-imposition of the Draft for their children because of their ceaseless detritus yearning.
For SuperNafta to be successfully implemented only requires the mercenary protection of a thin strip of NA. The topdogs can then leverage detritus trickle-down to their best advantage such as rewarding a few compliant biosolar areas with extravagant imported gifts of targeted shipments of bananas, coffee, or vanilla, and punishing violent biosolar areas by appropriating PV panels, cutting off shipments of bicycle tires, or medical equipment denial. Use your imagination of all the possible 'carrots and sticks', or recall my previous postings on all the possible Foundation-based detritus perturbational tools at the topdogs' disposal to further induce biosolar shifts.
There is a broad spectrum of possibilities as we decline from detritus entropy and seek what biosolar powerup is truly attainable. In short, a lot will happen before we reached the advanced state of Somalia: where brother clans fight to the death over a small stand of forest; one biosolar tribe wants the trees to live, the detritus tribe wants to make charcoal for cooking. Such is life.
Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?
I'm afraid the Earth Marines and biosolar communities just aren't going to happen.
"For above all else, men desire power."
Thxs for responding. I make no claim to being a prophet--it is just speculation. I would prefer the Energy Fiesta continues for the next 1,000 generations, but it just doesn't seem likely. Have you read author Reg Morrison's article [teaser intro reprinted below]? He, Jay Hanson, and Darwinian [Ron Patterson] had fascinating dialogue with other Yahoo:Dieoff forum members awhile back. These guys know so much more crucial info than me [about what I call Jay's Thermo-Gene Collision], that I found it to be a truly humbling experience. I still consider myself a rank 'newbie' compared to these gentlemen. Remember, I only discovered this stuff Summer of '03.
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HYDROGEN: Humanity's Maker and Breaker (PDF 1.82mb warning)
A reassessment of life, its cosmic role, and the future of our species.
The primary molecular ingredients of earthly life are carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and sulfur (CHNOPS). All six play vital and particular roles in the structure and behavior of organisms, but the traditional emphasis on carbon obscures a more accurate, cosmic view of the biota, the biosphere and our place within it. This skewed perspective effectively conceals the magnitude and immediacy of the threats we face on this hydrogen-regulated planet.
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Click on the 'articles' button at his website to find it.
http://www.regmorrison.id.au/
Bob Shaw in Phx,Az Are Humans Smarter than Yeast?
food for thought!
Kinky swore to put 10K National Guard on the border to stop illegal immigration, but then turns around and has a guest speaker decrying border security.
Frankly a fence is a risk, most Texans, legal immigrants I think would be willing to take.
The issue of border security and stopping the flow of illegals is one that is overwhelmingingly popular with citizens, both natural born and legally immigrated, and equally popular amongst Democratic and Republican and Independent voters. But both political parties in Washington refuse to touch the issue despite an outcry of voter anger over the issue.
Illegal Immigration Poll Results:
http://www.npg.org/immpoll.html
http://www.adl.org/learn/news/San_Diego_Arson.asp
Like the great crusades, with less support.
The buildings will get rebuilt anyway.
They hurt the enviromental effort(way too radical!).
Yet more (sacred) trees must be logged to replace those buildings.
Adding to the CO2 problem by burning the buildings.
Prison.
Motivation without leadership(?) Naw- misguided, deluded thinking.
They are a negative to the enviromental movement and will probably just wind up in jail where they will be rendered ineffective(Tre arow). IMHO it is better for the rest of us that they are locked up in prison before they create a broader backlash like GW&Bushco has in the rest of the world.
I always find it ammusing(sarcasm) that they wear clothes and eat food grown on farmland that was probably once a forest. Hang in trees, buildings, or bridges with nylon(oil) ropes. Probably live in electric or gas using wood framed houses, ride in oil powered vechiles, but damn it they are not a part of the problem, "these other people" are! Such blantant hypocrysy! I bet tre arow even uses toilet paper made from (sacred) trees...LOL
As for DelusionaL's last paragraph, it is of little value. Everybody here at TOD uses oil, and that makes us hypocrites, but does it mean the peak oil conversation should be ignored?
Maybe we should give radical activism a little more thought. A radical peak oil activist might travel the countryside of Alberta, carefully shutting down both natural gas and oil wells. They could strategically vandalising them in expensive to fix ways. Heck, if the wells had to have (better) security systems installed, the activist would have helped to reduce production and push up the price of the commodity. I'd prefer a less radical form of action for myself.
"monkey wrenching" = a nice sounding term for vandalism. I bet "expensive to fix" "monkey wrenching" gets jail time too!
I understand you wanting fuel prices to go up. I agree this is needed to get the masses moving in the right direction.
I suspect there are alot of innocent hard working people making a living in the oil industry. "Money wrenching" with thier paycheck is probably not going to make them go away. I suspect they will employ gaurds,and lawyers. Unless you get a thrill (my suspicion!) out of destroying things I still think this is a waste of economic rescources not to mention damaging to the enviroment. Yes burning the fuel damages the enviroment too, but to just waste it isn't "better". Like the buildings burnt they will come back like ants to fix the damage. I think this will also harden thier resolve to stop "monkey wrenchers" and put them behind bars. &nbs