DrumBeat: June 7, 2007


Chris Skrebowski on spare global petroleum capacity (podcast)

Chris Skrebowski, editor of the UK Petroleum Review, talks with GPM's Julian Darley about the latest spare capacity estimates for the Middle East and the world.

Oil hits $67 after Turkish raid

Oil prices rose to $67 a barrel Thursday after a raid by Turkish troops into northern Iraq revived worries over exports from the Middle East, which pumps a quarter of the world's oil.

Data showing U.S. refiners were struggling to boost summer fuel production and Cyclone Gonu's disruption of Omani oil and gas exports lent additional support to the market.


Al-Qaeda spark for an Iran-US fire

After revelations of a US administration policy to hold Iran responsible for any al-Qaeda attack on the United States that could be portrayed as planned on Iranian soil, former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski warned last week that Washington might use such an incident as a pretext to bomb Iran.


The Death of Conventional Oil

Remember the good old days when oil was $50 a barrel? I know that was only a few months ago--but just wait a few years from now when you're wishing the price for a barrel of sweet crude was below $100. The reality is that peak oil is a lot closer than you think.


Australia: Pressure grows on petrol companies

Petrol companies have been warned by Prime Minister John Howard he will give the competition watchdog whatever powers it needs to investigate price gouging at the bowser.


Gas prices hinder retail rebound

Sales were mixed overall as the chain stores struggled with tougher comparisons from a year ago and consumers found themselves shelling out a lot more at the gas pump.


On Broadway, trucks shake while residents steam

Rising costs for petroleum-based repaving materials have delayed many state road projects, including work on Broadway, Gailey said. The project was pushed back to 2010, Gailey reported at a recent South Porland City Council meeting.


Noble and BP Make Discovery at Isabela Prospect

Noble Energy has made a discovery on Mississippi Canyon Block 562 (Isabela Prospect) in the Gulf of Mexico, located approximately 150 miles southeast of New Orleans in 6,500 feet of water.


House GOP Plans Amendments to Counter Rahall Energy Bill

U.S. House Republicans are preparing a flurry of amendments to counter provisions in an energy bill critics say would stunt domestic oil and gas production, aides close to the matter said.

The raft of amendments principally seek to foil Natural Resources Committee Chairman Nick Rahall's, D-W.Va., provisions to repeal 2005 Energy Policy Act laws designed to accelerate oil and gas production. The bill is scheduled for markup Wednesday in the Natural Resources Committee.


Bluster on the Hill

Today's gas prices stem from high demand and low supply, not price gouging. If Congress really wanted to lower gasoline prices, it would act to reverse our current supply-demand equation.


Another Inconvenient Truth

The point I am making is that even if we were to discover a world-class oil field today, the supply from that will probably not reach the market for another decade and we will need to find many oil fields to feed the rapidly rising global demand. To complicate matters further, over the coming years, it is expected that more and more existing oil fields will enter a decline. So, rather than adding to the global supply in any meaningful manner, additional supplies from new fields may only just about compensate for the decline in the older fields. This is a sobering thought often overlooked by many oil-analysts and economists.


Food prices skyrocket

"What we've done with the usage of biofuels, based on corn, is link our food prices to energy prices," said Michael Swanson, an agricultural economist for Wells Fargo, one of the nation's largest commercial agricultural lenders. "Agriculture is one of the most intense users of energy. And now you can either sell corn for feeding animals or for fueling vehicles."


Russia's nuclear power company finds business is good - in Iran and elsewhere

The Russian nuclear power company, Atomstroyexport, has been roundly criticized for helping Iran build its nuclear program. But that project, along with the company's mouthful of a name, is not hurting its business prospects.


Fertilizing oceans to save the planet

What if you could save the planet from global warming -- and reap vast financial rewards -- by dumping iron filings off the side of a ship? That's the tantalizing promise offered by a handful of companies that are trying to turn the cultivation of ocean-based algae into billion-dollar businesses.


Profiting From Climate Change: Ignore Gore the Bore, Build A ‘Floatel’

Who’s to say that rising sea levels are a bad thing? The coast line isn’t really gone. It just moves further inland, raising somebody else’s property values.


G8 agrees "substantial" emissions cuts

German Chancellor and Group of Eight host Angela Merkel said Thursday that G-8 leaders agreed on a plan calling for "substantial cuts" to greenhouse gas emissions.

The leaders failed to overcome U.S. resistance to committing to specific numerical targets to curb global warming, but did refer to the European Union goal of cutting emissions by 50 percent by 2050.


Climate Change Battle Could Spell New Disasters

On energy supply, a focus on small-scale distribution is the answer to fighting climate change and poverty both at once, say non-governmental and UN organisations.


Brazil: Biofuel Gold Rush Continues

President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's call for Brazil to become a “green Saudi Arabia” over the next few years has investors giddy and environmental and workers organizations panicked.


OPEC Official Looks West for Investment

In an unusual admission, OPEC's new secretary-general said oil-producing countries may have to attract more foreign investment to meet world oil needs. But his call is at odds with the rising barriers faced by Western oil companies hoping to tap the cartel's vast reserves.


Columbus is Dead #3: The Imminent Threat

The Neocons know that with the end of the age of cheap oil there comes an end to this age of general affluence with its common conveniences. The trucks and trains which ship everything to our stores’ shelves will stop rolling so frequently. Things about our society that many of us take for granted will seize-up, as food and other basic stuffs are no longer readily available to most people.

Neocons are counting on this to be the case. There’ll be a general deployment of their private corporate armies to put down any potential movements by people towards practical local autonomy.


The Way It Is: The Era of Energy Trades War for Comfort

The noise is sharp, ominous and growing louder. It is not the deep roll of thunder; it is almost like the snapping of dry sticks. That sound is, in fact, the sound of thin ice cracking, and when it comes to our nation’s energy policy, we’ve been skating on thin ice for along time.


Russian Oil Pipeline Shutoff to Lithuania: Wider Ramifications

Moscow’s closure of the oil pipeline to Lithuania in July 2006 “looked, sounded, and felt” (see EDM, August 3, 18, 2006) like political and economic retaliation against the privatization of Lithuania’s Mazeikiai refinery by Poland’s PKN Orlen, which had prevented a Russian takeover The Russian government cited the need for “emergency repairs” on the Russian stretch of that line, a northbound spur from the westbound Druzhba pipeline. However, Russia failed to carry out any repairs ever since and ignored Lithuania’s and the European Union’s requests for information.


Peace is greatest crop of them all

In the grounds of a 10-acre community garden that is virtually unknown to the rail commuters and residents who pass it every day, an ecological revolution has begun to bloom.


Post-Petroleum Gardening

I came across a great book that's had me thinking a lot about why we garden. In my case, I don't garden because I have to. I do it because it's rather magical -- and much cheaper than therapy. But considering the impending peak oil phenomenon, gardening simply for the sake of gardening really is something of a luxury. Someday -- maybe someday soon -- growing a lot of our own food may well be a necessity.


Nigerian president calls for addressing power shortage situation

Nigeria's President Umaru Yar'Adua said his administration will take measures to handle power shortage problem across the country.

In a meeting with key stakeholders in the power sector, he said the country is bedeviled by crippling energy crisis, with power outages more regular than supplies.


Energy crisis threatens manufacturing growth

The government Wednesday expressed concern over the lingering energy shortage and termed it as a potential threat to the country’s economic growth, especially of large-scale manufacturing (LSM), which followed 8.8 percent growth this year against the set target of 13 percent.

Jahangir Khan Tareen, the Federal Minister for Industries, Production and Special Initiatives while talking to reporters blamed the energy shortage (gas and electricity) as the sole reason for decline in large-scale manufacturing.


'Green power' could help solve many problems

Outsourcing, global warming and terrorism are very different problems, but "green power" could wean the West and the developing world off cheap oil and its accompanying problems, New York Times Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Thomas L. Friedman said Wednesday.


Cambodia's Oil Prospects Uncertain - PM

Prime Minister Hun Sen said Cambodia's petroleum prospects are uncertain, going back on earlier comments that his country could begin tapping its oil reserves by 2010.

"Oil under the sea is still a dream. It is better to think of how to keep the current economy growing," he said in a speech broadcast on national radio.


Shell Confident Nigerian Production Will Return by Year-end

Royal Dutch Shell has high hopes for Nigerian oil production following a seemingly democratic presidential election two months ago, said a company official.


The Peak Oil Crisis: Twin problems

Someday soon, the poor countries of the world will be importing so little oil that increasing demand will leave only the rich bidding against the richer, prices will move up again and still fewer will be sharing in the last years of the oil age.

This situation could change for the worse, even before the end of the year, as knowledgeable observers are starting to issue stronger warnings. This week at an energy summit, Guy Caruso, the head of the EIA, called on OPEC to increase production immediately; otherwise the world faces higher prices and shortages due to increasing demand. The normally optimistic Caruso noted that with potential outages from Nigeria, Venezuela and Iraq, there are few reasons to think global oil prices will fall anytime soon. "Most of the price risk is on the upside."


Your World-Saving, Bill-Cutting Home Starts Here

27,022 kilowatt-hours. That's how much energy the average U.S. home uses in a year. Scroll around above to see where it all goes, then click through for tips and projects (also listed below). This diagram, based on data from the Department of Energy, can help homeowners spot the best ways to boost efficiency. The numbers may surprise you. Refrigerators and air conditioners tend to be the villains in an electric bill, but they don’t dominate total energy usage. Why? The big picture includes not just electricity, but also fuel for heating, which is the typical home’s true energy hog.

On the other hand, the spread of widescreen TVs, iPod chargers and other electronics is boosting electricity usage. That carries a hidden cost: Power plants consume about 3.3 kilowatt-hours’ worth of fuel for every 1 kwh that reaches a home outlet. The rest of the energy is lost along the way. That plasma TV that eats 166 kwh per year? It accounts for nearly 550 kwh of energy generation at the plant.


Coal Futures: Will this energy standby truly last for centuries—or just decades?

With the price of gasoline so volatile of late, it is not hard to accept the argument that the world may be entering the period of "peak oil," a time in which the extraction of oil from the ground becomes limited by geological constraints on the amount globally available. Resource analysts differ in their assessments. Some believe the peak in oil production from conventional sources (which is to say, easily exploited ones) has already arrived. Others project that this key turning point may not come for another decade or more.

But one thing is for sure: The notion of peak oil has been on lots of people's minds. Books and Web sites are full of the topic. Now a new study from a European organization called the Energy Watch Group proposes another daunting prospect: that the world might soon have to grapple with a peak in the production of coal, too.


Oil Is Not Well

Who are the major producers of oil in the world? The unsettling answer is Saudi Arabia and Russia. They produce about 9 million barrels of oil a day. And who are the world's major producers of natural gas. Again the answer is unsettling, Iran and Russia. There are students of geopolitics with a special knowledge of energy resources who worry about this. One, the economist Philip K. Verleger, Jr., believes that with regard to Russia and its energy reserves, we are in the second round of the Cold War.


Japan Gas Row; Co-Development an Option

The relatively small size of gas reserves under the East China Sea disputed by China and Japan, and the failure to make progress in the row so far, show just how much both sides feel they need to get their hands on the gas even if the political cost is high.

How much gas and other hydrocarbons lie under the disputed waters, and surrounding areas, is an open question.


China Recovers Natural Gas Hydrate from South China Sea

China has successfuly recovered samples of natural gas hydrate, otherwise known as "flammable ice," from the South China Sea, the Ministry of Land and Resources said.


Centuries of oil left in Alberta

Alberta's massive oilsands make the province second only to Saudi Arabia in reserves, the Alberta Energy and Utilities Board said yesterday.

With reserves of 173-billion barrels of bitumen and 1.6-billion barrels of crude, the province will keep pumping out oil for the next 378 years at current production levels, the AEUB said.


‘Nigeria Loses $2.5bn to Gas Flaring’

An environmental expert, Prof. Oladele Osinbajo has declared that the nation loses an average of $1.73billion and $2.43billion annually from flaring of associated gas.

Osinbajo, the Director of Basel Convention Regional for Africa for Training & Technology Transfer in Hazardous Waste Management of the University of Ibadan , quoting the World Bank, stated that the nation holds the world record for gas flaring.


Shell spends N381bn to tackle gas flaring

Shell says it has spent a total of $3-billion (N381-billion) in tackling the problem of gas flaring in the Niger Delta as the 2008 deadline given by the Federal Government draws near.


London cops check fuel tankers for bombs

Gasoline tankers and chemical trucks entering London are being stopped at roadblocks to check for bombs, police revealed Wednesday, but officers said the operation is not in response to any indication of a specific plot.


Bush calls for calm in missile dispute with Russia

President George W. Bush on Thursday urged Russia not to "hyperventilate" over US plans for a missile defence shield as leaders of the world's wealthy nations struggled to reach a deal on combating climate change.


Climate change wreaks havoc on Asian water resources

Asia is expected to face a serious shortage of fresh water due to climate change, with more than one billion people forecast to be hit by the crisis, a US State Department report warned Wednesday.

Melting glaciers in the Himalayas -- which contain the largest store of water outside the polar ice caps, and feed seven great Asian rivers -- may lead to increased flooding in the short term and reduced water supply in the long term, the report said.

A note on the tar sands story:

I just find it remarkable that half-truths never die. In fact, they have more lives than cats.

"Alberta has more reserves than Iran and Lybia [sic] combined," spokesman Bob Curran said. "So when we're asked how sustainable is oil in Alberta, the message is the supply is going to be there."

"We'll get back to you about flow rates."

I agree.

With reserves of 173-billion barrels of bitumen and 1.6-billion barrels of crude, the province will keep pumping out oil for the next 378 years at current production levels, the AEUB said.

At current rates of consumption, from nuclear + fossil fuel sources, the world consumes the energy equivalent of 173 Gb of oil--14 Prudhoe Bay Fields--about every 2.4 years.

Based on Deffeyes' HL plot, which accurately predicted the decline in world crude oil production relative to 5/05 (EIA crude + condensate), the world will consume 10% of remaining conventional crude oil reserves during George Bush's second term.

By the way, I wonder what will happen to domestic Canadian oil consumption in the years ahead, especially as their natural gas production depletes? Perhaps that might have a slightly negative impact on their net oil exports?

Which is why any investment in the tar sands must be matched to an investment in a uranium mining company. Now that things are heating up again between the US and Russia, what are the prospects that Russia continues to sell us their nuclear warheads for conversion into fuel rods?

My pessimism about how we are going to solve all of these problems is nearly matched by my optimism about my investments.

What if Russia can’t keep the pipeline full?

http://jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2372212

RUSSIAN OIL PIPELINE SHUTOFF TO LITHUANIA: WIDER RAMIFICATIONS

By Vladimir Socor

Wednesday, June 6, 2007

While seemingly unassailable legally, Moscow’s stance seems to bear out the recent forecast of Moscow-based, Russia-friendly energy and finance specialist Eric Kraus: “Russia would have no need to shower the West with nuclear missiles to create Armageddon. A simple announcement that the Transneft export pipeline would be shut down for ‘emergency repairs,’ but would be working again, soon, sometime, hopefully, [such an announcement] would send oil prices spiraling above $200 [per barrel], creating financial chaos. Yes, this is politique fiction, but it is meant to underscore the simple fact that the West shall be forced to seek an accommodation with Russia” (Truth and Beauty and Russian Finance, nikitskyfund.com, Johnson’s Russia List # 125, June 3).

BTW, Brent is currently within 2% of its post-5/05 monthly high of $74.

When goods and services flow across borders, armies don't. When goods and services don't flow across borders, armies soon will. Glastnost had a lot more to do with the North Sea and Prudhoe Bay coming online and with the jump in Saudi production than with any aging B-movie star's saber rattling.

olepossum, you mean you don't think Reagan was the prince of peace promised in the Bible?

If anyone should be credited with causing the Russian downfall by overproduction, it should be the Saud family. My personal theory, it was MTV. Once the Russians could get half-naked girls wearing nice shoes, Communism was finished. Russian women want nice shoes too!

Why shouldn’t Russia feel beleagured?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/art...

Russia’s belligerence is hardly surprising
Anatole Kaletsky 7/7/7

Know your enemy – a phrase coined by Sun Tzu, the Chinese military strategist, 2,000 years ago – is even more critical in diplomacy than it is in warfare. As the leaders of the world’s most powerful nations gathered in Germany last night for the annual G8 summit, the identity of the enemy was pretty clear.
He was not, as might have been expected, George W. Bush. Nobody can be bothered to talk to the White House any longer about Iraq and Iran, while on climate change Washington has successfully created a diversion and thwarted the German and British desire to make this the summit’s central issue. Best of all, an alternative villain has suddenly upstaged the hapless President Bush. Enter Vladimir Putin, the new global enemy No 1.

If the Zionist-Neocons didn't like Iran demanding payment in Euro's they really are going to hate what this one could develop into. :-)

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070605/66679704.html

President Vladimir Putin said in his state of the nation address last year that Russia, as a leading oil exporting nation, should set up domestic markets to trade crude oil and derivatives in the national currency, the ruble.

It doesn't seem that anyone is concerned about Iran supposedly demanding payment for oil in Euros, except a dimishing set of die hard conspiracy theorists. The claim that Iran and Russian bourses are going to crash the dollar has been a perennial here for the last two years. No amount of debunking can kill it.

Well, we have to wait and see how the cookie crumbles, but it needs to be put in context.

It isn't so much that anyone has any real interest in crashing the dollar.

It's more like with oil denominated in dollars the dollar becomes the reserve currency of the world which allows the US to run deficits and in effect have others pay for them. At some point people get fed up and even a giant can die the death of a thousand cuts.

I have no doubt that the ability of the US to run deficits and have others fund (not pay for) them is coming to an end, probably fairly soon. I do think the dollar is headed down and could possibly face some threat regarding its reserve currency status, although it is hard to see what would replace it.

The point is that it makes almost no difference what currency oil prices are denominated in. Firstly, oil can only be priced in one currency. All other citations are just a translation, or else there are arbitrage opportunities.

However, the price is just a price. Oil can be quoted at $70/barrel and paid for in Euros, Yuan, or pretzels if the two parties agree. I haven't seen any one produce evidence that EU countries pay Russia, Saudi or Iran in dollars.

However, even if they did, it still does make any difference. The value of the dollar is propped up by foriegn countries holding US assets, such as treasury notes. If countries reduce these holdings, which is quite possible, then the dollar will be threatened. If they maintain the holdings, it won't.

Price in this case is really just a measuring unit. Saying that quoting prices in Euros would hurt the US economy is like saying that converting highway measurements from miles to kilometers would threaten the auto industry.

Iran does not want to touch dollars because the US places restrictions on their ability to move capital.

I argued at great length almost two years ago that Iran would never successfully launch and oil bourse. I argued a year ago that Russia would not be able to launch a bourse that serves as anything beyond a local clearing house. So far this seems accurate. The bourses and dollar pricing of oil are non-issues and conspiracy fodder.

So, yes, the dollar could weaken, crash and/or cease to be the world's reserve currency. However, the threat comes from waning demand for US denominated assets, not from how oil is priced or traded.

I don't think the Iranian oil bourse is fully operational, and the Russians have said that is the direction they will move.

Conspiracy theorists, yada yada, I worked in high levels of corporations and sat in on tons of board meetings and had access to lots of data and over hearing conversations of CEO's of fortune 500 company's, you trying to tell me that people don't work in secret and do things to others to try and gain an advantage thru all kinds of means is one of the most ignorant statements people. make.

Learn what the real world is like skippy, and get back to me.

Quid Clarius Astris
Ubi Bene ibi patria

you trying to tell me that people don't work in secret?

No, you're making that up.

We have to agree to disagree then.

Since oil is the primary commodity, if it is denominated in pretzels then people are forced to hoard or acquire pretzels. Doesn't matter whether baked, microwaved or digital. The digital version just allows for a bigger Ponzi scheme.

As long as the currency that is printed does not return to the country of origin it can be printed with impunity. If it does return then there is a cost associated with it. IMO this cost depends on a large degree on the interest rates (ie the higher the rates go the less of a free ride the US has and this is the underlying reason the market is so sensitive to rates).

The consumer is a convenient excuse, the big boys will make a profit either way because they hold the tiller and know in what direction the next steering inputs are going. This isn't a normal productive situation anymore, the US shuffles a lot of paper but produces little, it's a game of what Alice in Wonderland can sell to the uneducated sheeple.

People can see it and are bailing while the US is otherwise engaged because they know they don't have the "juice", the real question will one day be if the Fed has the balls to make the music stop leaving the Chinese standing. Or will the Chinese bail before it happens?

Jack: The US dollar is down 54% against the Cdn dollar since 2002. It hasn't crashed yet, but the trend isn't good.

Ah, but Canada was stupid enough to sign the portion of NAFTA that forces them to maintain current levels of fossil fuel exports to the US. (Mexico refused to sign that part of the agreement) So Canada cannot curtail exports to the US without violating the treaty, even if their own people have to freeze. And we all know how these treaties are set in stone, unless of course it's something we signed, that's different...

Could the Canadians fulfill their treaty obligations by sending the US unprocessed tar sands? Just dig it up and ship it out, leaving the "refining" to the US?

Sure, the treaty was only about letting companies sell their product at market rates. This isn't a bad thing for Canada or the US, unless you really believe Ricardo was dead wrong and trade doesnt work, in spite of centuries of results in favor of trade.

'centuries of results in favor of trade.'

Sure - centuries ago, when there was few developed countries and vast empires to exploit, trade helped the exploiters who made the rules. Free trade is a daft concept in todays world [except for a few capitalist elite].

Trade and free trade are chalk vs cheese

But given all the arguing over the US imposing duty on Canadian softwood export, Canada would be entitled to say the US had behaved in bad faith and they were therefore tearing up the NAFTA treaty.

Once oil becomes scarce is the US really going to risk its continued supply by complaining if Canada reduces exports? OK, they could be that stupid, but somehow I think the US will just have to accept and make do with what they are given.

Its a rule of the post peak world, he who has the oil exports has the control.

Its a rule of the post peak world, he who has the oil exports has the control.

Hm, like Iraq? Not that I'm suggesting the US would invade Canada. I mean Hitler never invaded Austria, did he?

It was only a few years ago that these kinds of discussions would have seemed totally looney-tunes.

Its still loony toons. Canada is filled with a bunch of white christians, Iraq was billed as filled with a bunch of brown people that worshipped a different god and blew up our pretty buildings. The average american knows several Canadians, but no Iraqis.

We might have the US invade Sudan or Angola or possibly Venezuela in some really bizzare world where politics lined up just right. For Canada you would have to have the rhetoric going on longer than US politics has the endurance for aggression.

"...and blew up our pretty buildings."

Only they didn't, but the spin machine got to work and soon most americans believed it anyway. That should worry the canadians.

Hrm, perhaps a book idea is cooking in my head...
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The Connection: Al Queda, Canada, and Global Jihad

How Canadas Liberal government is conspiring with terrorists to destroy America and kill Jesus
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I'm not quite sure if people would find it less plausible than the crap Ann Coulter and the like spews.

I'd go for invading Venezuela.:)
Leave fighting the Arabs to Europe, China, and Japan. They are the ones dependent on Arab oil and are getting it on the American taxpayers' tab.

There is a TOD story on the Canadian energy situation here.

The elephant in the room here is the fact tht, despite all the current immigration reform blather, the actual plan is to eliminate the borders and make Mexico/US/Canada one big country. The point of this is to make it easier for the US to have access to (plunder) their natural resources.

In the new North American Union, we will each have our role to play.

Mexico will supply inexpensive labor.

Canada will supply natural resources.

The United States will supply consumers.

Yup. That'll work.

Well ,

somebody has to feed this nation of Yanqui tit-babies.

Rugged Individualism? - My Arse.

Good luck Jose, Good luck Ed.

You have your work cut out, looking after the entightlement parasites between your borders.

Jose (if you are listening - not likely considering the demographics of the above survey) , Take it back .

One baby at a time...

This will hurt (no apology) - Its quite clear that your loyal and true legions have been sent abroad while your NeoCon Slave Masters have filled the USA with Praetorian Mercanary troops.

Oh..and stripped your State Owned National Guardsmen of vehicles and weaponary (what a coincidence....)

Your best hope to avoid a NeoCon / Globalist /Corporatist putsch is your Army. It swore an oath to the constituion.

And to the American People.

PS: For those patriotic Americans who think your special forces are pretty damn good:

Spoke to my old man today at length
Was in UK Special Forces in the early fifties
Became an unarmed combat instructor just before I was born
Was silent for years, but he can now see the end.
Spent a lot of time in SE Asia, and the middle east.

Americans: (post '45 I hasten to add, pre '45 he regards you as Gods)

Rates American Special forces as 'Childish'

'Wouldnt take a crap in a green beret'

'US Marines should be renamed US Morons'

'Worst soldiers in the world at keeping silent - even the Italians were quieter'

'They dont even know how to shit in a bag'

'More interested in getting fags* and coke** than ammo'

'Always whingeing'

'you could smell the toothpaste from a klick away'

*Cigaretes , ** Coca Cola - Wouldnt want your mothers to think that you were homo druggies.

Who knows?

An old mans rambling?

Or a pretty accurate assessment of US Gov forces personnel?

Anyway, We are a people divided by a common langauge.

Discuss.

How is the Iraqi 'surge' going by the way?

Mudlogger,

Wonder what he thinks of Delta and Seals?

A fairly accurate assesment but I do respect the Seals. They make 'Airborne' look like sissies at a weenie roast. Ditto the Rangers and Recon.

Special Forces..had a role other than combat. Were supposed to be there to train the civilians into a fighting force or so
"Warrior Soul" by Pfarrar states.A good book BTW.

I rate it thusly:
Seals(Navy)
Delta(Army)
Marine Recon put rest of Marines somewhere below
Regular Navy (swabbies)
Army (grunts) Airborne a bit higher
National Guard and Reservists
Air Force(known as Air Farce or Pigeons)
Coast Guard(the pits)

Special Forces(Green Berets? hate to guess..they get the glory due to John Wayne)

The Coast Guard covered themselves in Honor and Glory during Katrina. Above and Beyond performance ! Professionalism to the outer limits of the envelope.

The US Army failed in their Duty, dishonored themselves with their cover-ups and failures to do their simple duty, and did more damage to their Country than al Queda could have.

The rest were slightly better than useless.

Oh, and the British Columbian Search and Rescue were the first ones into Plaquemines Parish (as hard hit as Orleans) after DRIVING cross-country from Vancouver BC.

It is not how well you drill on the parade ground.

Best Hopes for the Coast Guard never having to buy a beer in New Orleans,

Alan

I was invited to a party put on by some Hollywood types shortly after Katrina (not sure why). Talked with two Coast Guard swimmers at the party. They still had cuts on their arms and faces with stitches. One had a limp. They told of their competition between crews as to how many loads of people they could get out. One had 128 loads, the other 138, #2 in the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard waived safety regs and flew 16 on, 8 off for 8 straight days. Base Commanders simply dispatched rescue helos to New Orleans from all over the country without checking with DC HQ.

Other services stayed with the max 8 hours/day until near the end.

My reference was but to the military aspects of combat.

They are not tasked with such as you describe above except maybe for the National Guard.

Clearly there were many who failed miserably but the rest of the service should not have their feet held to the fire since they must be commanded and given orders.

The Coast Guard excels at rescue. Around here they mostly do buoy tending. They don't do much when we had floods like in 93. Its local fire and rescue and volunteers who do that. I remember many church groups sandbagging the Ohio back some years ago when it got real bad and some National Guard as well.

Currently the role of National Guard has changed due to be federally activated and now seeing life combat. My buddy's son has had many deployments with his Patriot Missile battery in many areas of the ME. He is there now for 18 more months.

As 911 was a pivotal event so I payed very close attention to Katrina since it was also so pivotal. There should be much outrage as the stupidity of many in control during that time.

Regards,
Airdale

The military is a reflection of the population in general. Everywhere.

A few very competent professionals and then a little of everything. Problem with a volunteer military you tend to get the leftovers.

It's no wonder that the truly competent drift towards the Blackwater's of this world. A true elite and less paperwork.

Your SAS/SBS are good, but I still put my money on a SEAL team. The other 99%? C'est la Vie.

If you add it all up, the asphalt on all the nation's highways and parking lots represents an impressive amount of "reserves" as well. Great EROEI, that.

;-)

Best idea I have seen all day. A twofer: demand destruction -and- supply.

The problem will solve itself.
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