DrumBeat: July 18, 2007
Posted by Leanan on July 18, 2007 - 9:07am
Topic: Miscellaneous
Oil Industry Offers Sobering Outlook on Supply
It started with a simple question by Samuel W. Bodman, the energy secretary: “What does the future hold for oil and natural gas supply?”The query was made in October 2005 in a one-page letter sent to Lee Raymond, the former chairman of Exxon Mobil and head of the National Petroleum Council, a federal advisory group representing the oil industry.
After nearly two years, Mr. Raymond has finally delivered his answer.
Oil to hit $100 in 2008, predicts bank
A "steady ascent" of crude oil prices toward $100 (U.S.) a barrel continues, but the predicted date when that level will be hit remains a moving target, according to a CIBC World Markets report Wednesday.The investment banking division of the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (TSX: CM) predicts "new record highs of $80 a barrel this year and reaching as high as $100 a barrel by the end of 2008 as soaring oil demand outpaces growth in global supply."
Hybrid lovers: The honeymoon may be over
As the reality of fuel efficiency sinks in, fewer new car buyers are considering a hybrid, according to J.D. Power.
Designer bag hysteria at Whole Foods
Entrances to Whole Foods locations in New York, New Jersey and Connecticut swarmed with shoppers Wednesday morning who had lined up to buy limited-edition canvas bags designed by Anya Hindmarch....The light brown bags - emblazoned with the words, "I'm not a plastic bag," in blue letters - are designed to raise awareness of the environmental impact of plastic bags.
Tight Global Supply to Underpin Long-Term Oil Price
Jeffrey Currie, an analyst at Goldman Sachs in London, said the only way to avoid a spike in crude prices above $90 a barrel this autumn is a ramp up in production by Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates."These three countries are the only members of OPEC that took significant supplies off the market a year ago, have not increased production with the recent rise in prices and still have significant spare capacity," he said.
Currie estimates that keeping OPEC production at current levels, and assuming normal weather this winter, would mean total petroleum inventories will fall by 6.5% by the end of 2007, a move which could push the crude price to $95 a barrel.
Recent Ofgem figures reveal that 2 million consumers are now officially in debt to energy providers.At the same time there has been a 33% increase in energy debt since 20041- the average amount of money owed by consumers to energy companies. But this is just the tip of an energy debt iceberg says uSwitch.com, as the figures only take into account customers on official debt repayment plans.
Africa’s Energy Crisis Worsens: Viable Clean Energy Alternatives Are Imperative
A comparative study of debt relief and spending on oil and human services in on-petroleum producing countries in Africa that receive assistance under the Heavily Indebted Poor Countries Initiative—the countries hit hardest by high world oil prices.
Poor maize crop could dent South Africa biofuel hopes
Two seasons ago, when a bumper harvest pushed South African maize prices to four-year lows, it seemed like a good idea to plough all that excess maize into biofuels -- energy tapped from crops like sugar and maize.But for the second year in a row, South Africa faces a season of slim pickings after a drought slashed maize production, raising doubts about how a country with such a poor farming climate can produce crops to meet the government's ambitious green energy targets.
Oil Companies Not Seen Impacted By UK-Russia Spat - Analysts
British oil and gas companies are unlikely to be impacted by the diplomatic spat between Russia and the U.K., analysts said Tuesday.They said that Russia's takeover of large projects has already taken place, while the Russian energy sector has come increasingly to depend on the U.K. financial sector and U.K. companies for its development abroad.
If the Russians wanted to take control of certin energy projects, "they already achieved that," said Aton Capital analyst Artyom Konchin.
Russia to increase oil, product export duty from Aug 1
The export duty on oil in Russia is to increase on August 1 from $200.6 to $223.9 per tonne.
Buying imported food may actually be more energy-efficient
A conference of experts yesterday heard that importing food from the other side of the world can actually be more energy-efficient than buying British produce and helps developing countries tackle poverty.
6,000 Kurdish fighters to guard Iraq oil installations
The Iraqi government will soon dispatch about 6,000 former Kurdish guerrillas to protect electric and oil infrastructure from insurgents attacks, a security official said yesterday.
House boosts energy efficiency programs - But Bush threatens veto
The House voted Tuesday to award increases to programs aimed at making cars and buildings more energy efficient and boosting research and development of alternative energy sources.
Slick Connections: U.S. Influence on Iraqi Oil
Violating the very notions of freedom and democracy Bush invokes in nearly every speech on Iraq, the U.S. government has actively intervened in the restructuring of Iraq's oil industry since at least 2002. At different times, the Iraqi government has been threatened that passing the oil law was a pre-condition for partial reduction of Saddam Hussein's debts, for the provision of reconstruction funds, and even for the continued survival (through U.S. military support) of the al-Maliki government itself.
Solar Power Sector Will Need to Cut Costs
At present a shortage of high grade silicon, a key component in solar panels, has created a bottleneck, boosting producer profits as demand for the clean energy source outstrips supply.But a ramping up in silicon investment means the production of solar panels could surge in the next two to three years, risking a shakeout across the supply chain to mirror a glut now in the biofuels sector, another renewable energy source.
BP Expands Solar Energy Manufacturing Capability
BP Solar is expanding what is already the largest fully integrated solar plant in North America. On July 17 the company broke ground on a $97 million expansion project that will nearly double the current casting and sizing capacity to 150 MW and will create 70 new jobs. Construction is slated for completion by the end of 2009.
World first: Flying high on pond scum
Air New Zealand and airliner manufacturer Boeing are secretly working with Blenheim-based biofuel developer Aquaflow Bionomic Corporation to create the world's first environmentally friendly aviation fuel, made of wild algae.
Glory days are over for North Sea as the big companies look abroad
High oil prices have triggered a drilling boom off Britain but the big oil companies around which the North Sea energy industry was built are pulling investment out of this country and shifting their focus to what they see as more promising areas such as West Africa, the US Gulf and Russia.
In London, the price of North Sea Brent, the benchmark for two-thirds of the world’s oil, touched an all-time high of $78.40 per barrel this week, with no sense of alarm at the world’s top central banks. Regarded as a key indicator of global inflation, central bankers are sitting in stone faced silence about the surge in crude oil, and that’s good news for bullish speculators in gold and energy shares.
Tighter Oil Markets: Get Ready for Another Spike in Oil Prices
The tightening oil market has made some analysts change their price forecasts, but one of the latest oil reports is calling for some serious spikes. The question is whether or not we'll be able to avert them.
Analysis: Venezuela, Iran team up on oil
Venezuela and Iran are forging closer oil ties in hopes of reducing their dependence on the United States, inking a $4 billion deal to develop a block of the lucrative Orinoco Reserve in Venezuela.
Turkmenistan: Engineer Shortage Threatens Energy Expansion
Turkmenistan has overstretched its resources by pledging to extract more oil and gas when it does not have enough trained professionals to meet the task, say NBCentralAsia observers.
Hummer owner gets angry message
On a narrow, leafy street in Northwest Washington, where Prius hybrid cars and Volvos are the norm, one man bought a flashy gray Hummer that was too massive to fit in his garage.So he parked the seven-foot-tall behemoth on the street in front of his house and smiled politely when his eco-friendly neighbors looked on in disapproval at his "dream car."
It lasted five days on the street before two masked men took a bat to every window, a knife to each 38-inch tire and scratched into the body: "FOR THE ENVIRON."
China's growth, however, is powered by America's demand for consumer products -- and this growth is fueled by coal. These two factors lie at the heart of the political impasse. China and the United States each worry that if they agree to binding greenhouse-gas reduction targets, their respective house of economic cards will collapse. This unhealthy symbiotic relationship needs to be unraveled if any global post-Kyoto global warming agreement is to be reached.
Ministers speak out on Chile's energy crisis
Chile’s impending energy crisis, sharpened by diplomatic tensions with Argentina and one of the coldest winters on record, was the theme of a seminar held last week in Valparaíso’s Congress building. New Energy Minister Marcelo Tokman Ramos, Environment Minister Ana Lyn Uriarte and various members of Congress spoke at the event, which was titled “Energy Policy in Chile: A Challenge.”
Nigeria: Oko-Afo Ilogbo community protests power outage
The Oko-Afo Ilogbo community Badagry has cried out over power outage that has lasted over a year, following the packing up of the 2.5 KVA transformer that serve the community.
Biofuels: “We are nowhere near an economic solution”
We believe that first-generation biofuels should merely be seen as a stepping stone towards the development of second-generation, because first-generation biofuels will never be available on the necessary scale, without causing huge problems in terms of food supply. I mean, first-generation biofuels will have a very small impact on fuel compared to the impact they will have on food supply. Also first-generation will not be sustainable in terms of water and land use and will lead to a loss of biodiversity and deforestation, which in the long run, will cause an increase in CO2.So second-generation, I would say, are the future, but we first will need many more technological breakthroughs.
Queens Residents Mark First Anniversary Of Blackout
Since the outages, Con Ed has spent nearly $1.5 billion to upgrade their system. The utility says it will spend another $7 billion over the next five years on improvements, but many Queens residents are still skeptical....They say the company should not be rewarded for mishandling the blackout – including vastly underestimating the number of customers who were affected.
Nationalized oil staying in the ground
World demand for oil now stands at 86.1 million barrels a day. The U.S. Energy Information Administration expects it to reach 97.3 million in seven years and 117.6 million barrels a day by 2030. That extra 31.5 million barrels of daily production is the equivalent of three Saudi Arabias.Based on what's known about the world's petroleum reserves, nearly all of the increase will have to come from countries that have national oil company monopolies.
Conservation, alternative fuels and giant new oil and natural gas fields in areas where Exxon Mobil Corp. and other private companies can explore won't be enough to meet the rising demands of a growing global economy.
Japex Suspends Production at Niigata Field After Quake
Japan Petroleum Exploration Co Ltd (JAPEX) said it has suspended production at one of its oil and natural gas fields in Niigata Prefecture Tuesday after yesterday's powerful earthquake cut water supply to the site.However, it said the total production level will be maintained by increasing output of other fields in the prefecture.
India holds out helping hand to Mittal's oil foray
The project is configured to process low cost sour and difficult crudes and convert them into high value products like petrol, diesel and LPG, he had said. Petrol and diesel quality would comply with Euro-IV emission norms.
Taiwan, Venezuela Seek to Resolve Oil Exploration Dispute
Officials of the Taiwan state-owned oil company CPC Corp. are poised to meet with their Venezuelan counterparts in Houston to discuss how to resolve disputes over oil exploration rights, CPC General Manager Chen Pao- lang said Tuesday.Speaking at a meeting of the legislative caucus of the opposition People First Party (PFP), Chen said that the CPC has retained a lawyer to help deal with disputes over its right to explore oil resources in Venezuela and that should the bilateral negotiations in Houston fail, the CPC will not rule out the possibility of filing a lawsuit against the Venezuelan government to defend its oil exploration rights in the South American country.
Indonesia: House enacts new energy law, hopes to encourage sustainability
The policies set out in the bill include the maintaining of a strategic energy reserve to ensure the nation's energy security, consisting of not only conventional fossil fuels (oil, gas and coal), but also renewable energy resources, such as biofuels, hydropower, and geothermal energy.
Energy Policy Could Help Make or Break European Unity
Back in the good old days, European unity was all about energy. The European Union's original ancestor was the European Carbon and Steel Community, established in 1951. Six years later, on March 25, 1957, leaders signed Euratom, an agreement on atomic energy, along with the other, better-known Rome Treaty.Fifty years of peace and wealth are a testament to a convergence of fundamental interests, which would be better represented by a common European energy policy than by tomato quotas. Yet today, while the agricultural trade restrictions remain in place, energy policy has taken a back seat in the European truck, even as the Union's energy problems --natural gas ones in particular -- become more evident by the day.
Japan's nuke spill bigger than first reported
The earthquake Monday off the Japanese coast killed nine people, started a small fire at the sprawling Kashiwazaki Kariwa nuclear complex and caused 312 gallons of radioactive water from the plant to spill into the Sea of Japan. Tokyo Electric Power Co., which owns the plant, didn't announce the leak until nearly 12 hours after the quake struck.Tokyo Electric spokesman Akitsuka Kobayashi said today that the water was actually 50% more radioactive than they had initially calculated. The company apologized on its website for the error. Spokesman Jun Oshima said the amount was still "one-billionth of Japan's legal limit."
"They were hiding the truth," said Masako Sawai, researcher at Tokyo's Citizens' Nuclear Information Center.
Japan's Nuclear Plant Shutdown May Boost Oil Demand
Nippon Oil Corp. expects Japan's oil and heavy fuel demand to rise by about 700,000 kiloliters in August after the shutdown of a Tokyo Electric Power Co. nuclear station, Chairman Fumiaki Watari said.The Kashiwazaki-Kariwa nuclear station, the world's biggest, was shut after a magnitude 6.8 earthquake struck Niigata prefecture in central Japan on July 16. The trade ministry and Kashiwazaki city authorities have ordered the utility to keep the plant shut until they approve its restart.
National Petroleum Council report comes up a dry hole
On Wednesday, the National Petroleum Council (NPC) plans to release its report on oil and natural gas trends out to 2030. However, “Facing the Hard Truths about Energy” does not meet the promise of its title, according to the Association for the Study of Peak Oil & Gas (ASPO-USA).“The NPC artfully camouflages the enormous near-term challenges in producing sufficient oil and gas to fuel the global economy,” says Randy Udall, a board member of ASPO-USA. “Hard truths are hinted at, but are never clearly identified. Troubling trends are referenced, but their ramifications are dodged.”
Petrol hits £1 a litre with no end in sight to turmoil in the world's oil market
More pain to come as supplies are disrupted by strife and Opec turns screw.
World Economy Resists Oil Price
The world economy is bounding ahead, largely unaffected by record high crude oil prices, which have quadrupled over the past six years, economists say.
Real Crude Prices Higher Than Nymex Suggests
A quick look shows U.S. crude oil futures prices are lagging record year-ago levels by 5% while crude oil inventories are brimming at their highest early-July level in 14 years.That snapshot might suggest that prices, which have held above $70 a barrel for the past two weeks, may be in for a steep slide.
But the regional issues surrounding the price of U.S. benchmark West Texas Intermediate crude oil for delivery at Cushing, Okla., mask a broader, far more bullish reality: Many refiners are paying record-high prices for increasingly tight supplies of sweet crude oil and even higher prices may lie ahead.
"Refiners are paying more for crude than last year due to more serious worries on supply and a fundamental tightening in the market," said Antoine Halff, an analyst at Fimat USA in New York.
New low-sulphur crude to be introduced into Asia
New Asian oilfields are about to produce some 120,000 barrels a day of high-quality, low-sulphur oil.The low sulphur oils should appeal to simpler refiners, as more Asian countries switch to lower-sulphur petroleum products to reduce worsening pollution.
Even though the fresh barrels won't fully offset declining output elsewhere in the region, the spread between Tapis and Brent crude should be shortened.
Industry's role in Cheney energy report emerges
A confidential list prepared by the Bush administration shows that Cheney and his aides had already held at least 40 meetings with interest groups, most of them from energy-producing industries. By the time of the meeting with environmental groups, according to a former White House official who provided the list to The Washington Post, the initial draft of the task force was substantially complete and President Bush had been briefed on its progress.
Alternative Energy: How to Invest in the Next Booming Industry
Even if the whole global warming epidemic isn’t enough to change human behavior, we really don’t have much choice in the matter. Fossil fuels are becoming more difficult and expensive to find, and extract, from the earth. Couple lower supply levels with rapidly increasing demand from nations such as China, and India, and you have the perfect recipe for much higher oil prices. Many experts believe we have reached, or will soon reach, “Peak Oil.”
Biofuel demand makes fried food expensive in Indonesia
Palm oil-derived cooking oil is a staple in the Indonesian pantry. It is used to fry many of the spicy dishes that are part of the local cuisine.But the high price of oil has forced millions of poor Indonesians to eat their food boiled instead of fried.
Chrysler to drop new sedan, cites fuel curb
The Chrysler Group is abandoning a plan to build a new luxury sedan, citing fuel regulations currently on the table in Washington that could push U.S. automakers to increase vehicle fuel mileage, the New York Times reported on Wednesday.
Swiss glacier retreats at a rapid clip
In the past 30 years, studies show, the Aletsch has been losing 50 meters of length a year and is thinning. Some years show gains in length, others record losses. But the overall figure is one of shrinkage. Last year, it lost 115 meters – though in 2004 and 2005, the glacier gained about 50 meters per year."At this rate, by 2100 about 80 percent of the surface of the glacier will be gone," says Ralph Logon, a Swiss geomorphologist and expert on glaciers.
Action needed on climate change: Business group
A major U.S. industry body said on Tuesday that human activity is changing the Earth's climate and urged Washington to take action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions nationwide.But the Business Roundtable, representing 160 of the largest U.S. companies with $4.5 trillion in combined revenue, stopped short of advocating a specific policy to accomplish that, saying its members did not yet agree on methods.
Climate change threatens Italy's Po River delta
Rising sea levels, reduced rainfall and lack of snow in the Alps will combine over the next few decades to render the last 100 kilometers (60 miles) of the river useless because of saltwater intrusion, the experts predicted at a meeting in Parma on Monday.



Goldman Sachs says Crude Oil production down 1 mb/d from last year.
As I said yesterday, last year’s rally was driven largely by fear but this year’s increase in price is due to the fundamentals. Crude oil production is now falling. The question is; how long before the financial world figures out exactly why?
Ron Patterson
It's time to bug out.
"You can run but you can't hide." - Joe Louis.
More like "You can run...but you can't hide!" - the Wez in "The Road Warrior"
Yeah, I'm hoping I can suck another year out of the market before it crashes. I'm enjoying those 17% returns. My returns are greater than the APR on my credit card. I would like to think that moving my money to stocks in renewable energy companies such as SunPower and Evergreen Solar would be beneficial, but I'm sure the market will take those down right with the rest of the stocks due to general panic.
~Durandal (http://www.wtdwtshtf.com/)
Famous last words.
Yeah, and don't count on it, looks like the market will do the sucking:
NB: One Bear [sic] fund was valued at $5 billion, the other at about $15 billion. No word on that one yet, but they're not even trying to save it.
NB2: An isolated incident?! Sure, and isn't it hilariously great that the Dow is breaking records? Try this one from the TOD:Canada Round-Up:
sent to me by a latoc reader 10 days ago. I didn't post as I didn't want to create a panic. but he turned out to be correct. Oh well.
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.com/Archives2007/blogcatastrophe.html
Matt, that links leads me here: http://internetnewz.info/?rid=705831.
Not what you intended, I'm thinking. Been hacked?
Try this:
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Archives2007/blogcatastrophe.html
Matt: The Fitts book looks like a good read. Thanks.
Did someone say Fitts!
http://www.solari.com
http://www.solariactionnetwork.com/phpBB2/
Start up a good Peak Oil discussion. I'd like to see someone other than Daybrown post!
Fitts had the correct reply. The stock markets, interest rates, dollar index, and gold prices are all actively managed. The Fed (~JPMorgan) and Treasury (~GoldmanSachs) have all the tools required to prevent abrupt market discontinuities. The BOJ, BOE, and ECB are all partners in this process. There will only be a financial "crash" when and if the PTB want one.
In addition, for people who have significant investments, "crashes" can be immensely profitable. Selling some stock (even in Evergreen Solar) and buying some put options can put one in position to profit from a "crash".
As for real estate, the "crash" can't come soon enough for this renter. IMO, someone who bought their house or farmlet in 1977 should be very happy to sell it to me for a 1997 price and make a huge profit. But, they still are greedy enough to want a 2007 wishing price, which is at least twice a reasonable multiple of local income and no buyer will pay it. Bring on the "crash", please!
What is the BOJ, BOE, and ECB and the PTB?
Bank of Japan
Bank of England
European Central Bank
Powers That Be
MH,
I intend to poach you from TOD over to the LATOC forum. I can offer you lots of turnips.
Everything MH said about the PTB and a crash are pretty much dead-on, however, if the PTB really had all the power they think they do, and all that we attribute to them, we wouldn't be in quite the level of sh!t we are in right now.
The best laid plans, and all that.
And a crash can also be profitable a little later on when large amounts of material resources can be had for fire sale prices, but one again needs significant resources to begin with.
The rich get richer, etc.
710: TPTB are rich-they are getting richer-they are presently too busy to worry about everybody else's problems.
If I have a 5% fixed 30 year mortgage, and the bank has a call provision that allows them to call the loan at any time, and they can get 7% on their money somewhere else, why don't they?
If S&Ls made 3% fixed 30 year mortgages in the 50s and 60s, and the prime interest rate went to 20% in 1980, and the S&Ls can call in the loan, why did they choose to go bankrupt instead?
If a BANK is actually solvent but having a liquidity crisis, can't they borrow money from the federal reserve? Bears Stern investment fund I dunno, but if it was solvent, and Bears wanted to, I presume they could borrow money from somebody.
They would bite the golden goose that feeds them. As long as that mortgage is in their books, they can use it as collateral to go out and "fractionally invest" 10 times what the mortgage is worth. That pays far more than the 2% extra you mention. In fact, if they use your loan to raise 10 times what it's worth, and get 10% interest on that, their return is 100% of the loan, not some lousy 5-7%.
They'd be real dumb calling it in, it would kill the collateral, and hence the chance to invest.
What's more: it's not their money you borrowed for your home, they created it out of nowhere, it's not like they had it waiting in the safe when you walked in. They need just a few percent of it in their books, if that.
These funds consist of 95% borrowed money to begin with. They'd have to borrow money to save the money they borrowed to buy into vehicles that are now worthless. One of Bear's funds' big lenders is Merrill Lynch, and they got the ball rolling recently, by making a call on Bear. When they tried to auction off part of the funds' "assets", no-one offered more than pennies on the dollar, and the auction was halted.
So where could Bear borrow? Not at Merrill's. Other big banks? Not today, honey, I have a headache...
It strikes me that these big financial institutions have tons of money. So much money that they can hold $11BN of worthless bonds on their books pretending that it is still worth something. The tipping point will come when, in aggregate, the excess money sloshing around at these institutions dries up and they can't pretend any more. The only things we can be sure of are:
1. the real picture is highly likely to be worse, maybe much worse, than the publicly reported picture.
2. They will keep pretending as long as they aren't totally forced into some kind of liquidation
Hmmmm, sounds like other pictures, such as oil and energy and Global Warming.
Another finance company getting hit...
CIT Group Posts Unexpected Loss on Home-Lending Exit
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aal8W.hF.QpM&refer=h...
Hooray! That makes it 100!
http://ml-implode.com/
Damn, and just when I thought I understood banking! I always heard, from my economics teachers and other such no-nothings, that banks were allowed to loan out a given percentage of monies held on deposit. I believe it was 90% at the time but I would not swear to that.
But now I hear that this is not the case at all. That instead banks are allowed to loan out 10 times the money they already have out on loan. Well no, that's not really what you said is it? You say they can "fractionally invest" ten times the money they have out on loan.
Exactly what does "fractionally invest" mean anyway. Where would they get this money to "fractionally invest"?
I did a Google search on "Fractional Investment" and find it means to invest in a fraction of a property. For one million dollars you can buy a ten percent fraction of a ten million dollar property.
http://www.rees1031.com/pdf/fractionals.pdf
Uhhhh....now I am really confused.
What am I missing here HeIsSoFly, somehow that just doesn't make any sense at all. I need you to explain what you mean and do banking laws really allow this sort of thing.
Ron Patterson
Ron,
I am genuinely sorry that it's hard to understand, and humbly suggest Money as Debt to clarify matters.
HeIsSoFly, thanks for the link. I watched all 47 minutes and 7 seconds of it. It was excellent and I would advise anyone to watch it. Although I do not see money as the bogeyman the creators of the film obviously did, it was nevertheless very good.
I found the explination of how the economy must grow exponentially as we use, then throw away, our natural resources very interesting.
That being said, the film cleared up for me where you got the idea that banks were allowed to loan out or "fractionally invest" ten times the amount of existing loans. You simply misunderstood what the film was saying.
Banks were allowed to loan out ten times the amount of moneys that were invested, by the bankers, in the original bank charter. After that, as the film clearly stated, banks were then allowed to loan out 9 dollars for every 10 dollars on deposit in the bank. And that is the way banks create money.
A bank will loan out 10,000 dollars. The borrower then deposits the 10,000 back into the bank. New deposits! Then the bank can loan out another 9,000 on these new deposits. The borrower then deposits the 9,000 back into the bank. The bank then lends out 8,100 on these new deposits and so on down the line.
That is exactly how I learned it in economics classes and that is exactly how it is explained in this film.
Thanks again for the link.
Ron Patterson
Ron,
I'm glad you liked it, and yes, i agree, everyone should watch Money as Debt.
Your description of the process is exactly how I tried to describe it; the term "fractional investing" was half-jokingly used.
I was responding to the question why banks wouldn't call in loans if they could make more with "their money" elsewhere. As the film says: If there's no debt, there's no money. So that loan of yours is a prerequisite, and it's not so important how much the interest is. You are the vehicle that allows the bank to make money.
I like the following piece by Prof. Succo at Minyanville for describing the next phase in money for nothing and your chicks for free: derivatives.
FT's financial editor Gillian Tett wrote well on that topic too, see The Dream Machine, and estimated the trade at $470 trillion.
"Rich Dad" Kiyosaki put it this way:
Leanan, sorry dear but that is not the way it works.
Watch the film:
http://www.rees1031.com/pdf/fractionals.pdf
Or just skip to the point where this point is explained. It begains at about 13:28 into the film.
The 9 to 1 reserve ratio applies only to the banks investors in a newely chartered bank! That is to the banks original investors, not deposits. After that the law kicks in that governs loans verses moneys on deposit. And that is 10 to 9, or 9 dollars can be loaned out for every 10 dollars on deposit.
It is al explained very well on the film. Just watch the part beginning at about 13:28 on the film and runs for three or four minutes. Just take the short time to do that and all this muddy water will be cleared up.
Ron Patterson
And may I rudely add that Kiyosaki is a louse.
You want proof? The Google Corporation happily obliges:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7039974980410674247&q=Kiyosaki&...
I think the term that you want to look up is Fractional Reserve Banking. See link for an explanation of Fractional reserve banking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking
Banks rarely invest their own deposits in Mortgages these days. Banks usually off load Mortgage debt to the GSE or sell Mortgage backed bonds on the market (Syndication). They make money collecting service fees. This is why during the mortgage boom years banks were more than eager to loan money. They didn't own the debt, so if the borrower defaulted, they cared less. The more loans they made the more loan service fees they collected, but they don't make any direct money off the loan interest. Since the Banks don't own the debt the can issue as many billions or trillions they wish without violating federal (or state) banking laws. I believe HeIsSoFly doesn't quite understand how mortgage lending works.
Another common misunderstanding is how long term fixed rate mortages work. When a borrow gets a 30 yr fixed mortgage, the lender doesn't issue a 30 yr fixed bond to finance it. Generally a long term mortgage is financed with much shorter term bonds (2 yr, 5 yr and 10 yr). When the bond comes do, they re-issue a new set of bonds. They'll continue to do this until the mortgage is paid off. However, there is a risk factor. For instance lets say that a lender offers home owners 30 yr fixed at 6.00%. They calculate that the during the entire life of the loan, that they'll be able to issue bonds below 6.25%. Usually its a significantly lower since they make money off the difference. Now lets suppose that with in the next few years, the rates rise substantially, so that the Fed overnight rate is at 6.50% and the lender must sell a new set of bonds to finance a group of 30yr mortgages sold @ 6.00%. Can you see the lend