At $100 Oil - What Can the Scientist Say to the Investor?
Posted by Nate Hagens on January 4, 2008 - 11:44am
Topic: Supply/Production
Tags: biophysical economics, Charles Hall, eroei, eroi, investment, net energy [list all tags]
The following post is my cut and paste review of a new paper by Charles Hall, Robert Powers, and William Schoenberg titled "Peak Oil, Investments, and the Economy in an Uncertain Future". This paper, along with 16 others (including 2 by theoildrum.com contributors), will be part of an upcoming book edited by Professor David Pimentel, "Renewable Energy Systems: Environmental and Energetic Issues". (I'll provide links when published). The paper by Professor Hall et al. is a thoughtful preliminary treatise on the impact that projected lower net energy for petroleum might have on the economy and investments.
The following graphics and grey box quotes are taken, in order, from the paper "Peak Oil, Investments, and the Economy, in an Uncertain Future". The paper is much longer than what is pasted below, but this post should give a general sense of the authors work. The comments between the grey boxes, as well as the conclusion, are my own:
While we are used to thinking about the economy in monetary terms, those of us trained in the natural sciences consider it equally valid to think about the economy and economics from the perspective of the energy required to make it run. When one spends a dollar, we do not think just about the dollar bill leaving our wallet and passing to some one else’s. Rather, we think that to enable that transaction, that is to generate the good or service being purchased, an average of about 8,000 kilojoules of energy (equal to roughly the amount of oil that would fill a coffee cup) must be extracted from the Earth and turned into roughly a half kilogram of carbon dioxide. Take the money out of the economy and it could continue to function through barter, albeit in an extremely awkward, limited and inefficient way. Take the energy out and the economy would immediately contract immensely or stop.
Professor Hall also has recently written a textbook on Biophysical Economics, and the above example illustrates part of the difference between biophysical economics and neo-classical economics. There is no 'substitute' for energy. Conventional economists see economic activity as a function of infinite "money creation", rather than a function of finite stocks and flows. Though we are not taught this way, the economy is 100% dependent on available energy. (Biophysical economics is a step in the right direction, but does not address the demand-side problems with neo-classical economics -e.g. we are not rational utility maximizers, 'utility' itself being a scientifically non-measurable tautology, etc.)
Cuba found this out in 1991 when the Soviet Union, facing its own oil production and political problems at that time, cut off Cuba’s subsidized oil supply. Both Cuba’s energy use and its GDP declined immediately by about one third, all groceries disappeared from market shelves within a week and the average Cuban lost 20 pounds.
I could use 2-2.5 of these energy crises...;) (There is also a movie "The Power of Community" about the successful response of Cuba to their oil crisis)
While the United States has become more efficient in using energy in recent decades, most of this is due to using higher quality fuels, exporting heavy industry and switching what we call economic activity, and many other countries, including efficiency leader Japan, are becoming substantially less efficient.
The very large use of fossil fuels in the United States means that each of us has the equivalent of 60 to 80 hard working laborers to “hew our wood and haul our water” as well as to grow, transport and cook our food, make, transport and import our consumer goods, provide sophisticated medical and health services, visit our relatives and take vacations in far away or even relatively near by places. Simply to grow our food requires the energy of about a gallon of oil per person per day, and if a North American takes a hot shower in the morning he or she will have already used far more energy than probably two thirds of the Earth’s human population use in an entire day.
A quibble~ this differs (conservatively) from the numbers I've been using. I've seen it several places that 1 barrel of oil has the amount of calories that equates to roughly 25,000 hours of human labor. Of course, me sitting at a computer will use less than my friend the jackhammer operator, but take that as average. Working 50 weeks per year at 40 hours per week, that equates to 12.5 years of labor per barrel - each American uses 25 barrels+ of oil per year, which is 312 'hard working laborers', not 60. If we include gas and coal, the number is over 700 of these 'energy slaves'. (Professor Hall works much harder than I do, so if he meant 60-80 "Charlie Halls", I'll agree...;) I guess I need to track down a source for my 25,000 figure.
.... So our physical capacity to produce oil depends upon our ability to keep finding large oil fields in regions that we can reasonably access, our willingness to invest in exploration and development, and our willingness to not produce too quickly. The usual economic argument is that if supply is reduced relative to demand then the price will increase which will then signal oil companies to drill more, leading to the discovery of more oil and then additional supply. Although that sounds logical, the results from the oil industry might not be in accordance to that logic as the empirical record shows that the rate at which oil and gas is found has little to do with the rate of drilling.
Annual rates of total drilling for and production of oil and gas in the US, 1949-2005 (R2 of the two = 0.005; source: U.S. EIA and N. D. Gagnon). Since drilling and other exploration activities are energy intensive, other things being equal EROI is lower when drilling rates are high.
This surprised me. I would have thought there was some stronger correlation than ZERO. Obviously a much better predictor of this years production, is last years production plus (2 years ago prod. minus last years production). Only around the peak would that have not had high predictive value. But I leave such details to the experts. The graphic is also potentially misleading in that it does not show discoveries of oil but production- some of those wells might have been drilled for different reasons than production (exploration, injection, etc.)
The United States clearly has experienced “peak oil”. In a way this is quite remarkable, because as the price of oil increased by a factor of ten, from 3.50 to 35 dollars a barrel during the 1970s, a huge amount of capital was invested in US oil discovery and production efforts so that the drilling rate increase from 95 million feet per year in 1970 to 250 million feet in 1985. Nevertheless the production of crude oil decreased during the same period from the peak of 3.52 billion barrels a year in 1970 to 3.27 in 1985 and has continued to decline to 1.89 in 2005 even with the addition of Alaskan production.
In 2006, when oil averaged over $60, there was a 20 year record of drilling feet. According to API estimates, 290 million feet were drilled in 2006 with over 74 million in the fourth quarter alone. But annual production declined to 1.86 billion barrels.
Energy return on investment (EROI or EROEI) is simply the energy that one obtains from an activity compared to the energy it took to generate that energy. The procedures are generally straightforward, although rather too dependent upon assumptions made as to the boundaries, and when the numerator and denominator are derived in the same units, as they should, it does not matter if the units are barrels (of oil) per barrel, Kcals per Kcal or MJoules per Mjoule as the results are in a unitless ratio. The running average EROI for the finding and production of US domestic oil has dropped from greater than 100 kilojoule returned per kilojoule invested in the 1930s to about thirty to one in the 1970s to between 11 and 18 to one today. This is a consequence of the decreasing energy returns as oil reservoirs are increasingly depleted and as there are increases in the energy costs as exploration and development are shifted increasingly deeper and offshore. Even that ratio reflects mostly pumping out oil fields that are half a century or more old since we are finding few significant new fields. (In other words we can say that new oil is becoming increasingly more costly, in terms of dollars and energy, to find and extract).
While we do not know whether that extrapolation is accurate, essentially all EROI studies of our principal fossil fuels do indicate that their EROI is declining over time, and that EROI declines especially rapidly with increased exploitation (e.g. drilling) rates. This decline appears to be reflected in economic results. In November of 2004 The New York Times reported that for the previous three years oil exploration companies worldwide had spent more money in exploration than they had recovered in the dollar value of reserves found. Thus even though the EROI of global oil and gas is still about 20:1 as of 2007, this ratio is for all exploration and production activities. It is possible that the energy break even point has been approached or even reached for finding new oil. Whether we have reached this point or not the concept of EROI declining toward 1:1 makes irrelevant the reports of several oil analysts who believe that we may have substantially more oil left in the world, because it does not make sense to extract oil, at least for a fuel, when it requires more energy for the extraction than is found in the oil extracted.
This is a critical (and shocking) observation. So I can enjoy my weekend, I will assume the suggestion of energy break even for new oil is for the United States, and not the world. But I'm not sure hard data exists in either case, a fact Dr. Hall has pointed out and lamented.
Of course it COULD make sense to extract oil at energy break even or below, if the fuel we used to extract it was plentiful. But oil and natural gas are the primary fuels used to extract and refine, crude oil, so approaching energy break even would be an extremely fast treadmill for the economic system, as we will see below. It also suggests that the economy 'feels' the high EROI stuff which was found long ago, but that the 'yet-to-be-discovered' may not translate to 'yet-to-be-produced' due to high costs.
How well we weather this coming storm will depend in large part on how we manage our investments now. From the perspective of energy there are three general types of investments that we make in society. The first is investments into getting energy itself, the second is investments for maintenance of, and replacing, existing infrastructure, and the third is discretionary expansion. In other words before we can think about expanding the economy we must first make the investments into getting the energy necessary to operate the existing economy, and into maintaining the infrastructure that we have, at least unless we wish to accept the entropy-driven degradation of what we already have. Investors must accept the fact that the required investments into the second and especially the first category are likely to increasingly limit what is available for the third. In other words the dollar and energy investments needed to get the energy needed to allow the rest of the economy to operate and grow have been very small historically, but this is likely to change dramatically. This is true whether we seek to continue our reliance on ever-scarcer petroleum or whether we attempt to develop some alternative. Technological improvements, if indeed they are possible, are extremely unlikely to bring back the low investments in energy that we have grown accustomed to.
The main problem that we face is a consequence of the “best first” principle. This is, quite simply, the characteristic of humans to use the highest quality resources first, be they timber, fish, soil, copper ore or, of relevance here, fossil fuels.... It is critical for CEOs and government officials to understand that the best oil and gas are simply gone, and there is no easy replacement.
Perhaps that message is starting to be heard and understood by CEOs and government officials. The issue is that when they see a problem, they like to hear a solution. The solutions are difficult, complex and do not conform to the systems that put the CEOs and government officials in the positions they now hold.
We pay for imported oil in energy as well as dollars, for it takes energy to grow, manufacture or harvest what we sell abroad to gain the foreign exchange with which we buy fuel, (or we must in the future if we pay with debt today). In 1970 we gained roughly 30 megajoules for each megajoule used to make the crops, jet airplanes and so on that we exported. But as the price of imported oil increased, the EROI of the imported oil declined. By 1974 that ratio had dropped to nine to one, and by 1980 to three to one. The subsequent decline in the price of oil, aided by the inflation of the export products traded, eventually returned the energy terms of trade to something like it was in 1970, at least until the price of oil started to increase again after 2000. A rough estimate of the quantity and EROI of various major fuels in the U.S., including possible alternatives, is given in Figure 5.5. An obvious aspect of that graph is that qualitatively and quantitatively alternatives to fossil fuel have a very long way to go to fill the shoes of fossil fuels. This is especially true when one considers the additional qualities of oil and gas, including energy density, ease of transport and ease of use.

Figure 5.5. “Balloon graph” representing quality (y graph) and quantity (x graph) of the United States economy for various fuels at various times. Arrows connect fuels from various times (i.e. domestic oil in 1930, 1970, 2005), and the size of the “balloon” represents part of the uncertainty associated with EROI estimates.
(Source: US EIA, Cutler Cleveland and C. Hall’s own EROI work in preparation)Click to Enlarge.
By quality here, on the y-axis, they mean EROI, as opposed to 'energy quality'. So EROI x Scale = Total energy gain. The "USA 2005" balloon should be a different color - as its a 'consumption', not an energy source. But note that it is 20% greater than the total photosynthesis for the entire country!
And this graph suggests an important story. Yes, I've increasingly heard about 10:1+ EROIs on new generation biofuel technologies that are 'pending'. This may or may not be true. But even if it is we have to multiply EROI X Scale. With oil, we are getting the energy content of 86 million barrels a day times 20:1, or whatever the current energy gain average is. Biofuels, even the ones that might attain high EROIs, will be limited in scale. The scale issue is less clear but still relevant for the other alt energy sources of wind, solar and nuclear.
The implications of all this is that if we are to supply into the future the amount of petroleum that the US consumed in the first half of this decade it will require enormous investments in either additional unconventional sources, in import facilities or as payments to foreign suppliers. That will mean a diversion of investment capital and of money more generally from other uses into getting the same amount of energy just to run the existing economy. In other words investments, from a national perspective, will be needed increasingly just to run what we have, not to generate real new growth. If we do not make these investments our energy supplies will falter or we will be tremendously beholden to foreigners, and if we do, the returns may be small to the nation, although of course if the price of energy increases greatly the returns to the individual investor may be large. Another implication is if this issue is as important as we believe it is then we must pay much more attention to the quality of the data we are getting about energy costs of all things we do, including getting energy. Finally the failure of increased drilling to return more fuel calls into question the basic economic assumption that scarcity-generated higher prices will resolve that scarcity by encouraging more production. Indeed scarcity encourages more exploration and development activity, but that activity does not necessarily generate more resources. It will also encourage the development of alternative liquid fuels, but their EROIs are generally very low.
What would be the impacts of a large increase in the energy and dollar cost of getting our petroleum, or of any restriction in its availability? While it is extremely difficult to make any hard predictions, we do have the record of the impacts of the large oil price increases of the 1970s as a possible guide. These “oil shocks” had very serious impacts on our economy which we have examined empirically in past publications (e.g. Hall et al. 1986). Many economists then and now did not think that even large increases in the price of energy would affect the economy dramatically because energy costs were but three to six percent of GDP. But by 1980, following the two “oil price shocks” of the 1970s, energy costs had increased dramatically until they were 14 percent of GDP.
The Cheese Slicer Model
We have attempted to put together a conceptual and computer model to help us understand what might be the most basic implications of changing EROI on the economic activity of the United States. The model was conceptualized when we examined how the U.S. economy responded to the “oil shocks” of the 1970s. The underlying foundation is the reality that the economy as a whole requires energy (and other natural resources derived from nature) to run, and without these most basic components it will cease to function. The other premise of this model is that the economy as a whole is faced with choices in how to allocate its output in order to maintain itself and to do other things. Essentially the economy (and the collective decision makers in that economy) has opportunity costs associated with each decision it makes. Figure 5.6 shows our basic conceptual model parameterized for 1970, before the oil shocks of that decade.
The “Cheese slicer” diagrammatic model, which is a basic representation the fate of the output of the U.S. economy, 1970. The box in the middle represents the U.S. economy, the input arrow from the left represents the energy needed to run the economy, the large arrow on the left of the box represents the output of the model (i.e. GDP) which is then subdivided as represented by the output arrow going to the right. In other words the economic output is “sliced” into different uses according to the requirements and desires of that economy/society.
(Data principally from the U.S. Department of Commerce. Extrapolations via the Millennium Institute’s T-21 model courtesy of Andrea Bassi))
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The large square represents the structure of the economy as a whole, which we put inside a symbol of the Earth biosphere/geosphere to reflect the fact that the economy must operate within the biosphere. In addition, of course, the economy must get energy and raw materials from outside the economy, at least as narrowly perceived, that is from nature (i.e. the biosphere/geosphere). The output of the economy, normally considered GDP, is represented by the large arrow coming out of the right side, where the depth of the arrow represents 100 percent of GDP. For the sake of developing our concept we think of the economy, for the moment, as an enormous dairy industry and cheese as the product coming out of the right hand side, moving towards the right. This output (i.e. the entire arrow) could be represented as either money or embodied energy. We use the former in this analysis (as almost all of the relevant data is recorded in monetary, not energy, units), but it is probably not terribly different from using energy outputs. So, our most important question is “how do we slice the cheese”, that is how do we, and how will we divide up the output of the economy, or said differently, in what way can the output of the economy be divided up with the least objectionable opportunity cost. Most economists might answer “according to what the market decides,” that is according to consumer tastes and buying habits. But we want to think about it a little differently because we think things might be profoundly different in the future.
Figure 5.7. Same as figure 5.6 but for 1981, following large increases in the price of oil. Note change in discretionary investments.
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Figure 5.8. Same as figure 5.6 but for 2007, following large decreases then small increases in the price of oil. Not change in discretionary investments.
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Figure 5.9. Same as figure 5.6 but for 2030, with a projection into the future with the assumption that the EROI declines from 20:1 (on average) to 10:1.
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Figure 5.10. Same as figure 5.6 but for 2050, but a projection into the future with the assumption that the EROI declines to 5:1.
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The results of our simulation suggest that discretionary income, including both discretionary investments and discretionary consumption, will move from the present 50 or so percent in 2005 to about 10 percent by 2050, or whenever (or if) the composite EROI of all of our fuels reaches about 5:1.
As 'new oil' replaces 'found oil', the EROI will drop faster than the global decline rate. In this sense, the authors time estimate (2050) for the contraction of discretionary spending might be conservative. Further study combining net energy with global decline rates may be fruitful, especially as the worlds last giant oil fields deplete, we will be replacing them (if we're lucky), with newer, more expensive (in energy and dollar terms) production. Who knows how high of energy gain Ghawar has provided the world - 200:1? 1000:1??? Impossible to tell because we don't have the data.
The above sensitivity analysis from 2007 to 2050, were it to be done in 'dollars', would likely not show this decline in discretionary income for society. Deep seated assumptions about technology, capital and efficiency improvements, combined with the unlimited support of central bank fiat currency, would underestimate the shrinkage in discretionary investment, especially if conflated perceptions between the 'actual production' and 'productive capacity' of oil persist. Such an analysis would likely also fall victim to the phenomenon of 'receding horizons', as tar sands, deep water oil, etc. might look slightly profitable at $90+ oil but when oil is at $150, they will STILL only be slightly profitable as the inputs will have also increased in price. This 'running in place' is the real world manifestation of a low energy gain technology, and why biophysical analysis is important.
Individual businesses would be affected by having their fuel costs increase and, for many, a reduction in demand for their products. This simultaneous inflation and recession happened in the 1970s and is projected to happen into the future as EROI for primary fuels declines. The “stagflation” that occurred in the 1970s was not supposed to happen according to an economic theory called the Phillips curve. But an energy-based explanation is easy (e.g. Hall 1992). As more money was diverted to getting the energy necessary to run the rest of the economy disposable income, and hence demand for many non-essential goods and services, declined, leading to economic stagnation. Meanwhile the increased cost for energy led to inflation, as there was no additional production that occurred from this greater expenditure. Although unemployment increased overall during the 1970s it was not as much as demand decreased, as labor at the margin became relatively useful compared to increasingly-expensive energy. Individual sectors might be much more impacted as happened in 2005, for example, with many Louisiana petrochemical companies that were forced to close or move overseas when the price of natural gas increased. On the other hand alternate energy businesses, from forestry operations and woodcutting to solar devices, might do very well.
So what can the scientist say to the investor?
When the price of oil increases it does not seem to be in the national or in corporate interest to invest in more energy-intensive consumption, as Ford Motor Company seems to be finding out with its large emphasis on large SUVs and pickup trucks. We are likely to have over invested already in the number of remote second homes, cruise ships, and Caribbean semi-luxury hotels, so that it may not a particularly good idea to do more of that now. This is due to the “Cancun effect” – that such hotels require the existence of large amounts of disposable income from the US middle class and cheap energy, even though that disposable income that may have to be shifted into the energy sector with less of an opportunity cost to the economy as a whole. Investors who understand the changing rules of the investment game are likely to do much better in the long run.
So what can the scientist say to the investor? The options are not easy. As noted above worldwide investments in seeking oil have had very low monetary returns in recent years. Investments in many alternatives may not fare much better. Ethanol from corn projects are financially profitable to the individual investor because they have been highly subsidized by the government, but they are probably a poor investment for the Nation. It is not clear that this fuel makes much of an energy profit, with an EROI of 1.6 at best, and less than one for one at worst, depending upon the study used for analysis. Biodiesel may have an EROI of about three to one. Is that a good investment? Clearly not relative to remaining petroleum, but some day as petroleum EROI declines it may be. However real fuels must have EROIs of 5 or 10 or more returned on one invested to not be subsidized by petroleum or coal in various ways, such as the construction of the vehicles and roads that use them. Other biomass, such as wood, can have good EROIs when used as solid fuel but face real difficulties when converted to liquid fuels, and the technology is barely developed.
This is the issue of energy quality, which cannot be ignored due to how embedded liquid fuels are in our transport system, hence total economic system. Even though electricity currently is a higher quality fuel than oil, that may change as attempts to turn all sort of disparate BTU sources into transportation fuel may occur (Fischer-Tropsch Coal-to-liquids, biodiesel, ethanol, etc.) So EROI and scale are important, but so is quality, which is determined by what is needed and desired by society.
The scale of the problem can be seen by the fact that we presently use more fossil energy in the US than is fixed by all green plant production, including all of our croplands and all of our forests. Biomass fuels may make more sense in nations where biomass is very plentiful and, more importantly, where present use of petroleum is much less than in the US. Alternatively one might argue that if we could bring the use of liquid fuels in the United States down to, say, 20 percent of the present than liquid fuels from biomass could fill in a substantial portion of that demand. Nevertheless we should remember that historically we in the U.S. have used energy to produce food and fibre, not the converse, because we have valued food and fibre more highly. Is this about to change?
Apparently, yes.
Energy return on investment from coal is presently quite favourable compared to alternatives (ranging from perhaps 50:1 to 100:1), but the environmental costs are probably unacceptable as the case for global warming and other pollutants from coal burning becomes increasingly clear. Injecting carbon dioxide into some underground reservoir seems unfeasible for all the coal plants we might build, but it is being pushed hard by many who promote coal. Nuclear has a debatable moderate energy return on investment (5-15:1, some unpublished studies say more), but newer analyses need to be made. Nuclear has a relatively small impact on the atmosphere, but there are large problems with public acceptance and perhaps safety in our increasingly difficult political world.
Windmills have an EROI of 15-20 return on one invested, but this does not include the energy cost of back up or electricity “storage” for periods when the wind is not blowing. They make sense if they can be associated with nearby hydroelectric dams that can store water when the wind is blowing and release water when it is not, but the intermittent release of water can cause environmental problems. Photovoltaics are expensive in dollars and presumably energy relative to their return, but the technology is improving. One should not be confused by all claims for efficiency improvements because many require very expensive “rare-earth” doping materials, and some may become prohibitively expensive if their use expands greatly. According to one savvy contractor the efficiency in energy returned per square foot of collector has been increasing, but the energy returned per dollar invested has been constant as the price of the high end units has increased. Additionally while photovoltaics have caught the public’s eye the return on dollar investment is about double for hot water installations. Windmills, photovoltaics and some other forms of solar do seem to be a good choice if we are to protect the environment, but the investment costs up front will be enormous compared to fossil fuels.
The authors allude to, but do not explicitly say, that Peak Oil may initiate a "Tragedy of the Investing Commons". Short-term (3-5 years) high returns can be made by entrepreneurs and corporations by using both government subsidies (in the case of ethanol) and societal subsidies (in the case of roads, hospitals, food, etc.) that only exist due to cheap transport fuels. Decisions that may look promising from a corporate boardroom perspective, would not look good from a global declining EROI perspective. So, investments in 'moderate' EROI technologies might pay off for individuals, while simultaneously the global energy gain cushion continues to drop. (But I guess this has been happening for a long time wrt the environment)
CONCLUSION
It seems obvious to us that the U.S. economy is very vulnerable to a decreasing EROI for its principle fuels, whether that comes from an increase in expenditures overseas if and as the price of imported oil increases more rapidly than that of the things that we trade for it, or as domestic oil and gas reserves are exhausted and new reservoirs become increasingly difficult to find, or as we turn to lower EROI alternatives such as biodiesel and or photovoltaics. We do not know exactly what all this means, but our straightforward model suggests that a principal effect will be a decline in disposable income and a greater requirement for getting energy, with all the economic impacts that entails. Since more fuel will be required to run the same amount of economic activity the potential for environmental impacts increasing is very strong. On the other hand protecting the environment, which we support strongly, may mean turning away from some higher EROI fuels to some lower ones. We think all of these issues are very important yet are hardly discussed in our society or even in economic or scientific circles.
Concluding Thoughts
As many in the Peak Oil aware community know, Charlie Hall has been researching and writing about energy for almost 30 years, initially as a graduate student of the late systems ecologist Howard Odum. I posted excerpts from this paper because I believe the implication of declining net energy is the single largest overlooked supply side phenomenon about oil and gas depletion, both on Wall St and on Main St. As 'best first' becomes 'best available now', more energy will be diverted to the energy sector, and as the authors have pointed out, this means less for productive society. This doesn't happen while everything stands still - the primary allocation mechanism for lower net energy is already underway -higher prices - squeezing less developed countries, less profitable businesses, less traveled air routes, etc.
However, there are many problems with EROI analysis, not the least of which is the difficulty of parsing non-energy limiting inputs, like water, soil, or knowledge, into energy terms. Its just simpler to denominate everything in dollars, and of course that is what has happened gradually, but nearly completely, over the last 3 decades. Net energy analysis also has the problem of correctly adjusting for energy quality, as all kilojoules are not created equal, nor do they stay equal in preferences/needs of a civilization. (did the Yibali tribesman 5 centuries ago in Saudi Arabia care about light sweet Arabian crude? No - they cared about strong Arabian horses). Net energy analysis is not a surgical tool, but more like a blunt instrument. But what EROI lacks in precision, it makes up for in scope. It at least attempts to ground analysis based on first principles - we need energy to procure more energy - to procure more dollars, we just print them (using paper, ink and energy).
The battle between the financial economy and the biophysical economy is seeing its first serious skirmish, as oil flirts with $100, pricing out someone, somewhere. Somehow, more analysis like this one by Hall et al. need to be examined, understood and advanced. Grounding supply side analysis in physical terms is not easy, but it will ultimately be more accurate and a better predictor of the future on a planet with finite stocks and flows. I give great credit to the authors and their academic peers who continue to think about the world in this way. Limited funding, limited data and limited government interest, are prohibiting scientists like Prof. Hall from accomplishing more than just nibble around the edges of this vital topic. Finally, though net energy analysis is an important tool, it is still a part of the larger science that is essentially just a 'documentation' of natural resource depletion and the environmental entropy process. Until we thoroughly address the demand side of our energy consumption, better and more correct energy analyses cannot be optimized.
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I think either (or both of) Matt Savinar or Roscoe Bartlett used the 25,000 number in Crude Awakening. At least the first place I saw the number was the film.
Always be skeptical of the numbers and try and do the math for yourself as a check ... you don't have to be totally accurate, just get a feel for it ... my approximation is:
a US gallon Gasoline = 115,000 Btu
1000 Btu = 0.293 kWh
therefore a US gallon = 115 x 0.293 kWh = 33 kwh
Assume, at best, in an 8 hour working day you could get 100w continuous useful work from a man, ~0.8 kWh?
As a check, a normal man should consume ~ 2,500 kilocalories per day? (1 kilowatt hour = 859.6 kilocalories, so about a third converted to useful work seems reasonable?)
Therefore a US gallon contains the same amount of useful energy as 33/0.8 = 41 days or ~330 hours of human (slave?) labor!
In a barrel there would be 42 x 330 ~ 13,800 hours of manual labor.
thanks
your calculations indicate that there is no precise answer for this question - but we're in the ballpark.
13,800 hours of manual labor at $20 per hour is $267,600 per barrel.
And I could make the argument (strongly) that the energy quality of oil is higher than human labor...;)
Crude at $97.75 today a bargain!!!!
BTW Nate, IMO this was an excellent/important post - my understanding of how the world all hangs together and the 'underlying truths' took another leap forward with this. When will the whole book be published?
Thanks. I'm not sure. Certainly this year, but can't say when. Here is draft table of contents:
I think you mean that the thinking of human beings is often of a thicker quality than crude...;)
While interesting as a fun comparison it is just that attitude of looking at energy as a be all and end all that has got us where we are. Trade me one willing worker (for his lifetime) for a D9 cat (and all the diesel it can use in it's lifetime) and look at the different world you and I will produce.
"One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man." -- Elbert Hubbard
Unfortunately we have way too many ordinary men and their machines doing things we do not need and not enough extraordinary people doing without machines what needs doing.
"Ordinary men are made not born." -- anon ;)
Some men are born mediocre and some men have mediocracy foisted upon them.
Some men don't count and some men can't count ... 2 7? 3 4
(Just in jest robert2734, merely to see if this thread of nit wittery will continue:)
I had always heard about 75W output on a fairly continuous basis for a fairly fit person, but wouldn't be surprised if in reality it is more like 50W when average fitness is considered and the work is stretched over 8 hours, day after day, month after month...etc. So the 25,000 hour figure not off the mark either perhaps, though I don't know enough to argue about it.
True, but also I forgot that to get the energy out of the oil you need something like a power station with all it's losses - so, maybe there's only ~17Kwh of useful energy in the oil as well as less useful energy in the man?
Arm output cranking was some 50-80 watts for myself.
Legs 400 watts. (no shoe clips)
Lance Armstrong was known to do 600 watts for 30 mins peddling.
The numbers I have are a gallon of crude is about 138,000 BTU, and a gallon of gasoline is about 125,000 BTU. The standard figure for boe is given as 5.8 million BTU.
Using these numbers, I get about 16,600 hours. 100W is perhaps a little high for sustained effort, usual figure is 0.1 HP, about 75W. This gives nearer 23,000 hours manual labor.
33 kwh is gross chemical potential energy, but given that we are mostly concerned about mechanical uses for oil should we not be doing somthing like this?:
first subtract 10% for energy cost of the oil production i.e. assume that EROEI on oil is about 10:1 right now, that gives us 29.7 kwh / gal
then assume 2/3 will be lost when converting it to mechanical by running an engine connected to a machine, so we then have 9.89 kwh / gal
So a gallon is more like 9.89 / 0.8 * 8 = 98.91 person hours of labor.
X 42 = 4,153 hours of manual labor per bbl (that would be 1 person year at 6 days a week 13 1/4 hours a day, which sounds like a rough number estimate for a third world sweatshop).
Lets assume we can hire manual labor "somewhere" for 20 cents an hour (1/3 of the worlds population earns less than $2 per day according to the UN) then the manual labor substitution cost of the bbl becomes something like $830 per bbl.
Is this the valid measure? This talk of "slave labor equivalents"? Consider: If there is a half-ton rock, I might require ten slaves to move it (figuring each slave capable of lifting 100 lbs.). But I have technology: a long lever, a wheeled cart. Now, instead of ten slaves, I can move the rock myself (given certain assumptions such as a fulcrum for the lever and cart-friendly terrain - but those assumptions aren't unreasonable for a broad range of situations). Nor do I need to eat ten times my normal meals for the day to have energy for the lever and cart.
Since much of our technology is of the lever or cart type, rather than the brute strength type, this whole "slave equivalence" metaphor is severely misleading. It makes for a nice rhetorical flourish, but misrepresents our reality. It treats machines as primarily energy-consumers, whereas they achieve their primary value via design - as levers and carts do - with energy inputs being a real but secondary, and not tightly-correlated part of any equation accurately describing their place in our economy.
Technology is "raw power" harnessed. I don't think for a moment that the energy slaves describe a pointless task of dragging a rock for example.
It might describe the ability to type and click send and the electricity and embodied energy in the internet allows you to instantly send a message without having to find paper, ink, envelope, postage, pony express, ship, plane,rail and other means for physical communication.
Also consider a robotic car manufacturing plant, very high energy consumption, definitely highly technical, precise operations being performed more of our energy slaves 24 hrs 7 days a week.
Computer chip manufacturers and countless other industrial processes that are highly energy intensive currently built around our cheap oil lifestyle.
My contention is that in reality we are in fact via technology using the equivalent of levers, fulcrum and cart friendly terrain all the time this only magnifies our dependence.
Comparing oil to manual labour may provide a sense of scale to the energy in a barrel of oil but it ignores the sheer versatility of oil.
No matter how many human labourers I have, I will never be able to get them to move me along at 60 miles per hour without ever complaining or getting tired.
Human labour can't be converted into lubricants, chemicals, medicines, ashphalt, plastics etc., etc.
What a miracle oil is ? $ 100 a barrel is a bargain.
$ 100 a barrel is a bargain.
So? Doesn't mean much when how people are used to living is with $10 oil.
The transition to higher oil pricing means pain - and animals in pain and who feel cornered are dangerous
From "Food, Energy, and Society" by Pimentel, pg. 13. Gasoline is 20% efficient in converting to work in a mechanical engine, 8.8 kWh. A horse working for ten hours at maximum capacity yields 7.5 kWh. Man can work at 0.1 HP or 0.075 kW per hour. 117 hours of Man work done by 1 gallon.
See http://greatchange.org/bb-answer2.html for a tentative resolution of $146.00 as the value of gasoline per gallon, considering the energy cost of machinery and the need to do more work as value than what simply pays for the fuel.
If we are considering the efficiency of the ICE, do we also need to consider the efficiency of the human?
Is the 75W of the man expended power or effective power? And what efficiency does the human work at?
Nate: This is a fantastic post, great observations, the info and the work are much appreciated! Pk
Terrific post, and 100% dead-on right in the points made and cited.
What Can the Scientist Say to the Investor?
The global system is finite and bounded, live within it.
Any economic theories you have that include the assumption of the infinite are wrong and you can win yourself a Nobel prize by pointing this out. The only infinite thing is human stupidity.
Herman Daly, among others, pointed this out in the 1970s. I think he is first in line for the Nobel for economics, once all this comes to light....
I've had....discussions.... with finance types when I had the temerity to point out that in the end the system was finite and zero sum (ok excepting the solar input). It seems to be a religious tenet that everything is infinite and growth can go on exponentially for ever.
BTW, as far as this simple systems dynamics model is concerned, throw in the effect of the demographic timebomb and see how much worse it gets.
Herman Daly was a Ph.D. student under Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen, the author of "The Entropy Law and the Economic Process". This is the book that preceded "ecological economics" by 35 years and deserves a Nobel (hey, if Al Gore can win one with a Powerpoint presentation...). Most of Daly's ideas can be found in more complete and energetically aware form in Georgescu-Roegen's book--highly recommended as THE starting point for any energy/society discussion.
Another piece of essential reading is Howard T. Odum's "Environment, Power and Society", published in the same year (1971) as Georgescu-Roegen's magnum opus.
Georgescu-Roegen's "Energy and Economic Myths" (1977) is also worth a read.
EROEI for nuclear is at least 30. Maybe 100. EROEI for photovoltaic is 30. I don't know why people assume PV will self destruct in 30 years. Worse case we recycle the silicon.
We've just had a content free discussion of nuclear power a few threads ago.
Nanosolar claims that the energy payback for their CIGS product is less than one month compared to up to three years for first generation wafer based polysicon cells. So, your EROEI may be way understated for Nanosolar's printing based technology.
While I am not a cornucopian, I think we need to recognize these breakthroughs when they occur. For reasons not just related to energy, we should not seek to maintain our current lifestyle, much less what we hope for in the future through continued unlimited growth.
I have read elsewhere that solar cells produced 50 years ago are still cranking albeit at reduced efficiency. A ton of coal put in the hopper this morning will be gone before noon, but the CO2 produced will be around for hundreds of years.
The economists, though not all, tend to believe that there are always alternatives, given a high enough price. If this is believed, why not hasten the arrival of those alternatives now since they will supposedly magically arrive eventually anyway?
Yes, the market can do many things, but we do not have the luxury of waiting for it to do something about oil shortages and the overuse of coal.
Hi tstreet,
Are you referring to my comment the EROEI is at least 30 for PV? Nanosolar's technology is so cloaked in secrecy, I don't know what they have. I'll recognize "breakthroughs" when there is falsifiable evidence one occurred. Solar cells have a "half life" of 130 years. They never die but keep cranking away at reduced efficiencies until we decide to take them down and recycle the silicon. The only thing that happens after 30 years is that the warrantee expires.
robert
Yes, this needs to be verified (falisfied?) but I'm can only just report what Nanosolar says on their web site at this time. Given the process, though, it does seem reasonable that efficiency and payback have improved thereby. It would, of course, be nice if Nanosolar could provide some documentation showing the energy inputs and outputs required. They are, however, quite paranoid, probably justifiably, about protecting their very valuable processes and patents.
I don't know any more or less about nanosolar than you do. I expect continued evolutionary improvement in solar technology. Anybody can write anything on a website.
I've run into this with regard to batteries. People report what someone wrote on a website somewhere as if its a fact. At best it is someone's goals for a research project.
Commenting on Solarhouse below: Most batteries are killed rather than die a natural death. The 800 watts are a maximum at some particular testing condition for some voltage and current output.
Nineteen years ago I bought 800 watts of single crystal solar for my house. I have fairly good metering and the most power I ever saw on a bright clear day the year I installed them was 635 watts. (Overselling the power capability was common then.) On bright clear days I still see over 600 watts. No discernible decrease. These and a 1kw (peak) windmill have kept me, partner, computers, toaster and misc. stuff well supplied.
Aside. There has been considerable talk about lead acid battery life. In the nineteen years my battery experience has been thus. First set 450AH L16 size 12v. Destroyed in 3 years due to my stupidity in not appreciating that they look rugged but in fact are exquisitely delicate chemical plants. Second set 900AH L16 size 12v. Slowly petered out after 7 years. I can learn. Third set 1000AH reconditioned fork lift truck battery. Still going after 10 years but starting to show some cell to cell inequalities. Conclusion: Lead acid batteries are remarkably delicate. The simplest things can damage them. Example: Having two rows of parallel batteries at different heights means they are at slightly different temperatures, which means one set discharges the other. In series it means some cells will not be in equilibrium. Temp gradients within a battery (say sitting on a thermally conducting floor(concrete) will develop internal voltage gradients and slowly destroy themselves.
Thanks for this article.
SolarHouse
"If this is believed, why not hasten the arrival of those alternatives now since they will supposedly magically arrive eventually anyway?"
we know what will magically appear at a certain price. conservation, demand destruction, bikes, solar, wind, hybrids, PHEVs, EVs and so on.
no, that is where you are always wrong - we don't KNOW that at all - you believe it, some suspect it, many here doubt it
if the economy crashes beyond the ability of the nation to feed everyone, we don't KNOW what is going to happen, but we can guess, the 4 horseman; war, famine, conquest and death
if things get bad enough quickly enough, a gradual changeover will be impossible - instead collapse will occur, a world-wide great depression will hardly be the place where advance research and development will occur
if the BANKING crises gets bad enough, where will the $ come from to finance all of your dreams? and that is without peak oil, resource wars, etc. etc.
show me the bright spots in equatorial Africa, how all the investments are occurring as oil gets priced out of people's reach - show me the peaceful transition to another way of life
macduff- your ifs are a lot less possible than my knows. if something like what you said happens we won't need technology because so much demand destruction will occur that 100% resources will go only towards production of food and some other necessities.
I've said this before, if there is a big huge crash oil ain't gonna matter because nobody will be able to afford it(hyperinflation) or nobody will buy it and it will be cheap(massive deflation).
whatever the situation is, my good old low tech of conservation/demand destruction will work.
the 70's was bad and people still bought enough fuel efficient cars that the fleet MPG went up.
It is very hard to know for sure what the EROEI of nuclear power is. Currently in the US it is almost certainly less than one because we are using very poorly stored Soviet hydropower from the sixties and seventies. Enriching uranium to weapons grade then diluting it does not make for an efficient process.
On the solar front, recycling silicon requires one third the energy that initial purification requires so that post recycling you get an EROEI three times higher. I take the current silicon EROEI to be about 12.5 for a 25 year (guaranteed) life and about 33 for and extended 100 year life (20% degredation every 25 years). So, on recycling you get an EROEI of either 37.5 or 99 depending on how you use it. The EROEI also depends on where the silicon is used. At altitude you get more cosmic rays so it will degrade faster. In the desert you get a much higher EROEI because there are more hours of sunlight in a year. The Southeast of the US, which did not want the RPS portion of the energy bill, should see an improved solar resource as a result of global warming because they'll have more drought. Perhaps they are biding their time.
Chris
It was claimed by a recent Sandia labs publication that the energy payback time for polysilicon was 2.8 years. I don't know what sort of assumptions about siting were made, but I can bet that for PV installed in Germany, and Japan the payback period is probably more like ten years. Even using the 2.8 figure, we see that we are using more energy creating PV modules than they are currently producing. This is probably the basis for derisive statements about solar consuming more power than it generates.
Of course this is really investing current energy to create future capacity, and earning 30% energy interest! If I could sell bonds that did so well I would be the next Warren Buffet!
We have several promising developments such as Nanosolar which claim much shorter payback periods. That is probably not yet auditable, but it seems pretty likely that energy payback times of a year or less should become common within a few years.
I think you mean 1000% interest?
Chris
I think you both mean 3.6% a year.
A return of 33 in 100 years is quite low for today standards.
Sorry, the term energy interest is proabably flawed. It is a factor of ten or more return in energy invested. Obviously, the Sun is not a bank.
Chris
Those claims for EROI of PV are like EROI for crude oil at the wellhead. That's not how oil is actually used - nor how PV is used. You need to transport the (large and fragile) panels, install them, replace if damaged (hurricanes? hail?), wire them (priced copper recently?), add charge controller and batteries and/or inverter and grid-tie electronics, suffer energy losses in battery storage or grid, etc etc. If you look at the economics of PV in actual use, the cost of manufacturing the raw unframed panels at the factory is a minority of the total cost. Is it also a minority of the energy cost? I think so, unless I see evidence otherwise.
At least in terms of weight, solar panels put 200 times less stress per unit energy delivered on transportation infrastructure than coal. There is labor involved in installing panels so you might want to count the portion of income that is spent on energy as an input as well.
Chris
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thanks. (and yes, this one deserves it!)
Good job! As a recent convert to the peak-oil issue and all matters related, I remain truly perplexed at what seems to me to be the continuing yawning gap between the "in-the-knows" and the ignorant when it comes to relating this type of academic analysis to the real world. I've recently read any number of great and good analyses of what 2008 and beyond holds for mankind and I'm astonished at how few commentators - including the supposedly smart ones - who simply can't or don't see the peak oil writing on the wall. When and how does this huge issue - much bigger than climate change (or dare I say religous terrorism) - hit the consciousness of the world's movers and shakers? The longer we sleepwalk on this matter, the further we're going to fall and the harder we'll hit the deck when the day of reckoning arrives. Keep up the good work guys.
Mark*,
I think it's just an example of purely Kuhnian paradigmatic thinking. When you're inside a paradigm, you don't see outside--instead you continue refining the knowledge pile inside your own paradigm with "normal science."
The problems (and I would bore you with a discussion of Lakatos, etc.) are that the protective assumptions of that paradigm are failing...therefore, perspectives will be resistant to change until the paradigm shift occurs...and after that, who really knows? Paradigm shifts lead to macrosocial changes of the highest order, that's about all I would be willing to forecast at this point. :)
I make the forecast that Darwin did concerning evolution. Those with the ability to adapt to the shifting paradigm will survive. Those that don't, won't.
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“So why is "homeland security," not green energy, the hot new sector? Perhaps because there are two distinct business models that can respond to our climate and energy crisis. We can develop policies and technologies to get us off this disastrous course. Or we can develop policies and technologies to protect us from those we have enraged through resource wars and displaced through climate change, while simultaneously shielding ourselves from the worst of both war and weather. (The ultimate expression of this second option is Hummer's new TV ads: the gas-guzzler is seen carrying its cargo to safety in various disaster zones, followed by the slogan "HOPE: Hummer Owners Prepared for Emergencies." It's a bit like the Marlboro man doing grief counseling in a cancer ward.) In short, we can choose to fix, or we can choose to fortress. Environmental activists and scientists have been yelling for the fix. The homeland security sector, on the other hand, believes the future lies in fortresses.”
Guns Beat Green: The Market Has Spoken
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Actually, installations of solar power grew 83% in the US in 2007. I think a portion of this growth was motivated by national security concerns. It was only 259 MW but at that kind of growth rate we might see 100 GW installed in 2017, well above the 4 GW of wind installed in the US in 2007. However, world growth in solar cell production would have to increase above the current rate of 50% annually or the US would be taking half of the total production in 2017. At its present growth rate of 60% annually, wind should still be ahead of solar in 2017, installing about 530 GW. I'm not sure we'll need that much new generation but we sure could stand to retire some coal and nuclear plants. We currently use about 1.2 TW in the whole economy. Silicon prices should be heading down in 2009 so that growth in solar should be sustained because thin film, which is reaching a production cost below $1/watt will see competitive pressure from silicon at that time so that they will have to lower prices. We should be sure that it is investors in coal and nuclear power that take the hit when they are driven out of business rather than tax payers. By 2017, wind should reach a terminal $1/Watt cost and some solar manufacturers should be reaching below $0.50/Watt and further cost reductions will be found more in installation methods (as with wind now) than in reduced cost of fabrication. All of these costs are competitive with coal so that coal mining and transportation would have to find cost savings to remain in the market. This is contrary to current trends where deeper mines at greater distances from power plants are being used. A reduced cost for electric power should spur conversion to plug in hybrid and all electric vehicles and we ought to see energy independence from both imports and fossil fuels by 2025 at the outside. I would guess that the price of oil at that time would be a factor of ten lower than presently and most biofuels would be non-competitive.
Chris
we're not using so much power at night, it only makes sense to use that we use some of that for vehicles. why wast it by using oil that has to be shipped all the way from saudi arabia and trucked here.
Alternative energy is growing yet Security technology investment is ballooning faster.
"According to Venture Business Research, in 2006 North American and European companies developing green technology and those focused on "homeland security" and weaponry were neck and neck in the contest for new investment: green tech received $3.5 billion, and so did the guns and garrisons sector. But this year garrisons have suddenly leapt ahead. The greens have received $4.2 billion, while the garrisons have nearly doubled their money, collecting $6 billion in new investment funds."
Same link
Well, I think in the case of solar we are seeing quite a lot of reinvestment because the main issue is market share. There may be room for a startup and some more venture capital but that room is getting smaller because self-financing of growth is getting to be the trend now.
Weapons become obsolete as the other guy gets better weapons or methods so we might be seeing something of that. Also, in the security business you start out with connections to the military so that your profits are guaranteed unless the IG really gets on your case and the IG is probably too busy with so much war going on.
Chris
Hang on. You really believe that in less than 20 yrs we'll be free of ff and energy independent? And oil will be $10 a barrel? Does anyone else? Is a poll in order?
Yes, I think the prime mover will be the rapidly falling production cost of solar power. It looks like breakthroughs in battery technology have already occured so that transportation will transition pretty rapidly to electricity and electricity will become (slowly) cheaper enforcing the transition. Aleady, it is cheaper to heat a home with space heaters than with oil and much cheaper to use a heat pump for the same performance. Space heaters save when you don't heat the whole home. A large reduction in demand for oil will reduce the price to close to the lowest cost of production which is getting to be about $10/bbl. Projected decline rates for the overall availability of oil at maximum production are likely not sufficient to maintain scarcity in the face of rapidly falling demand. I would expect that our use of oil will be mainly confined to small ICEs that get infrequent use such as lawnmowers and so are not worth converting rapidly to electricity though new equipment will likely be battery powered.
Chris
People tend to only see the gas oil and electricity as options, so I'll add my comment here.
Energy for homes does not have to be only be expensive oil or electricity space heaters, but can also be direct 'input' from the surrounding planet which the solar panel is taking advantage from. The panel is only a portion of this input effect, put towards generating electricity. But it's really our total urban design being half the problem, with a mindset of techno-answer for everything. With the cheap energy going we will have to consider how we design how we live.
For example, the amazing technology of the 'awning' in summer that blocks heat from entering is just at the right height to allow the lower winter sunlight in. I know it's just a sheet of cloth, but it turned out to have a purpose. We'll rediscover all sorts of 'new' technologies hopefully before the memory of their use disappears.
I'm enjoying the discussion on solar panels but if it's just to heat a living space, passive solar does not require silicon, just some wood, black paint and glass. There is also the usability of geothermal underneath us that also goes unused or exploited for it's natural tendency to be cooler (or warmer in winter depending) than the surface air. Combine the two and you have helper technologies that can dramatically effect the energy used via urban design.
If we ever again pay attention to the sunrise and sunset orientation of our buildings to take advantage of the best heating times as well as use of ever increasing PV technologies as discussed here, it will improve the efficiencies without adding overly expensive and time consuming inputs. In this case taking input effects directly from the sun and earth.
Given the discussion and the above 'earth friendly house' example however, this is only likely to be practical in a low density environment with direct sun access. Cities with apartments without this access cannot ever really use PV. Therefore I expect this to create an urban planning reassessment as we seek ways to improve PV usage.
Walter
oh yeah, about that battery powered lawn mower... I think the battery will be put to better use elsewhere. I remember as a kid being the only one with a manual mower. When we moved in it came with the house otherwise I had never seen one before. I was happy the lawn wasn't that big! If we're to zero in on wasted inputs again, lawns are going to go too. They're the SUV's of the gardening world as they soak up another priceless commodity...water.
More likely if you have a lawn in 2015 it will be mowed manually and mostly replaced by fruit trees, planter groves and edible herbs etc.
It'll be nice, promise ;)
Walter
I live in an "earth friendly house". We burn 2 cords of wood, no backup, 2400 sq ft. Very toasty.
The problem is, no one is going to tear down their house to redo it right, & we've got a huge overhang of new, poorly built homes. People who can afford to do it, don't care. Most of the rest can't afford it. That's why mdsolar is wrong. Joe Shmoe isn't going to by solar panels. It would make him realize what a moron he was to buy/build a house that has a garage blocking his southern exposure!
I agree that both improved building codes for new construction and retrofitting for existing structures is a big part of the energy transition. I think that once energy generation becomes an architectual element, there will be a pretty natural shift to considering the energy flow of the whole building even without better building codes.
Chris
Regarding the amount of energy associated with the expenditure of each dollar. This is an average, of course, and depends upon the nature of the expenditure. If I buy most of my goods used, then the actual energy costs of production could be completely negated since it would just be counted against original production. This would not be counted against GDP, but would clearly contribute to my welfare and the overall welfare.
What if we cut our consumption of "new" products by 50%. What impact would this have on our economy and what impact would it have on our overall energy consumption? From a GDP perspective , the economy would appear to suffer although individuals would be benefiting from the necessary financial transactions, not to mention the barter possibilities that can and do occur. This is why we need a different proxy for measuring well being. While GDP doesn't purport to really measure well being, we treat it as such, much to our and the planet's peril.
The supposed health of our economy is based upon the premise of infinite growth, maximum consumption of new items, and maximum debt. No politician really wants any of us to save. While saving might be a prudent exercise for the individual, a massive increase in overall savings would be a nominal disaster to the economy, at least the way we measure it.
On a personal level, my sense of personal well being and security is enhanced by saving and investing, not consuming up to and beyond my income level. For this attitude, I would not be considered a patriotic American. After all, right after 9/11, we were told to shop and travel, both massive consumers of energy. The irony, of course, escaped almost everyone.