DrumBeat: December 31, 2007


Kunstler: Forecast for 2008

One thing the public doesn't get about the housing debacle is that it is not just the low point in a regular cycle -- it is the end of the suburban phase of US history. We won't be building anymore of it, and those employed in its development will have to find something else to do. Now, unfortunately the whole point of the housing bubble was not really to put X-million people in so many vinyl and chipboard boxes, but rather to ramp up a suburban sprawl-building industry as a replacement for America's dwindling manufacturing economy. This stratagem ran into the implacable force of Peak Oil, which not only puts the schnitz on America's whole Happy Motoring / suburban nexus, but implies a pervasive trend for contraction in everything from the daily distances we can travel to the the very core idea of regular economic growth per se -- at least in the way we have understood it through the age of industrial capital.

Paul Maidment On Energy

The Misplaced Assumption

That high energy prices are stimulating real investment in new supply. There is less to the apparent surge in oil and gas investment in recent years than meets the eye. Drilling, material and personnel costs in the industry have soared, so that in real terms investment has been broadly flat since 2000. The back of the envelope calculation is that $20 trillion needs to be spent on energy-supply infrastructure of the next quarter-century.


Russia Intensifies Arctic Exploration

A year-long Russian mission to study the dynamics of Arctic ice is underway. Given Russia's claiming of the North Pole earlier this year, the results could have many political and economic consequences as they do political.


BP Texas City refinery to miss restart goal

Delays to the restart of a crude unit at BP Plc's (BP.L) Texas City, Texas, refinery will cause it to miss its goal of raising crude oil processing rates at the refinery to 400,000 barrels per day by the end of 2007, a source familiar with refinery operations said Monday.

The company now expects to reach the 400,000 bpd rate by mid-February and will ramp up to its full capacity of approximately 470,000 bpd by the middle of the second quarter of 2008, the industry source said.


Coal-to-Chemicals Projects Boom in China

For years China has been a magnet for the chemicals industry, attracting European and American companies with its cheap production costs and growing market.

Now China has another attraction for the energy-intense chemical industry: vast supplies of coal that can replace oil and natural gas as raw materials for chemical production.


China will tax grain exporters

China is to introduce taxes on grain exports in the latest attempt to rein in food-driven inflation that reached an 11-year high in November.

Exporters of 57 types of grain, including wheat, rice, corn and soya beans, will have to pay temporary taxes of between 5 and 25 per cent, the country’s Ministry of Finance said on Sunday.


Illegal logging concern rises with timber value

WHITESBURG, Ky. - The crime scene — a once-wooded landscape marked by tire tracks and tree stumps — makes the victim, Verna Potter, feel physically violated.

"It's just like someone cut your heart out," says the 77-year-old Potter, who lost an estimated $50,000 worth of generations-old oak trees, which were taken from her property and sold, without permission, while she was away.


Energy security and America

Energy security is a front-of-mind issue for the people of the world. We face the difficult fact that the current market environment is a tough one, and the energy industry is working hard to keep the energy flowing. The oil price is close to the real-term record set in 1979. Every geopolitical event causes a spike in the price, but these spikes only happen because the underlying market is itself tight. Strong demand is coming mostly from the developing world, led by China, and it is a lesser known fact that rising demand is also coming from oil and gas producing nations themselves, many of which are using their booming oil revenues to invest in their own economies.

Oil supplies have not already peaked. There are, at the very least, 40 years of proved oil reserves left, at current rates of production, and over 60 years of natural gas. Unfortunately, political and technical obstacles hinder bringing these reserves to market, and become more challenging all the time. For the medium term, the era of cheap energy is behind us.


Shanghai's first fuel store to cost $71 mln

Shanghai's first emergency fuel storage facility will cost 520 million yuan (71.2 million U.S. dollars) to build, nearly double the original budget, the Shanghai Chemical Industry Park said at the weekend.

...The project, to be built by the Bailian Group, will include 18 oil tanks with a combined storage capacity of 200,000 cubic meters. Some 30,000 tons of refined oil products, mainly diesel, will be stored, the equivalent of five to seven days of Shanghai's needs, ready to be used in the event of any disruption of supplies.


Islamabad residents witness another difficult day

The federal capital Sunday witnessed another hard day, as most people were unable to buy food or petrol, with most shops, fuel stations remaining closed.

Weekly bazaars, which are the main attraction for the residents of Islamabad to buy daily use items, were also not open, adding to hardships for the people.


Pakistan: Children on an empty stomach on empty streets

At a time when all the commerce in Karachi is facing a shutdown and there is an acute shortage of basic necessities in the city like food and fuel, no one is finding the going tougher than the street-children of Karachi.


Noodles, chips and biscuits make the main course for hostel-dwellers

“For the past one year, I have been living independently in an apartment in Clifton. I usually eat out and hardly keep any food at home. I even buy items like bread, eggs and milk on a day-to-day basis, depending on what I feel like eating.” Needless to say, Aslam was completely unprepared when Benazir Bhutto died and all he had in stock at home were packets of instant noodles and a few crackers.

“I did manage to buy a few food items from a nearby general store but even there, the choice was quite restricted as only a few items were available. All the shops are apparently running low on stock due to the closure of petrol pumps and the imminent threat of vandalism,” he said.


Nigeria: NLC Restates Opposition to Fuel Price Hike

President of the Nigerian Labour Congress, Abdulwaheed Omar yesterday restated the labour union's opposition to plans by the Federal Government to increase the price of petroleum products in 2008.


Some ethical investments

Kunstler’s premise — what he calls the Long Emergency — is that our economy, fueled by cheap energy and over-extended credit, will eventually crash, taking Western civilization with it into a Dantean hell that will make Cormac McCarthy’s “The Road,” seem tame.

I decide not to share this with the Waterhouse guy, and I let him off the hook so he can daydream undisturbed of his mythic Fiji. Then I print out Kunstler’s benediction and give it to my wife so we can discuss our investment strategy from his sober perspective.


The new energy crisis

We are absolutely at a fork in the road with the energy requirements of this nation. At a time of phenomenal technological progress and unprecedented growth in onshore and offshore markets, leaders in the contract drilling business, and indeed throughout the entire energy industry, face crucial decisions.


What the Tar Sands Need

For each barrel of oil produced from the tar sands, between two and 4.5 barrels of water is needed. The water is used in the process of extracting bitumen from the naturally occurring the tar sand. The bitumen is later "upgraded" into synthetic crude oil.

In 2007, the government of Alberta approved the withdrawal of 119.5 billion gallons of water for tar sands extraction, of which an estimated 82 per cent came from the Athabasca River. Of that, extraction companies were only required to return 10 billion gallons to the river.


Divorce Is Easy in Cuba, but a Housing Shortage Makes Breaking Up Hard to Do

After 21 years of marriage, Pedro Llera and his wife, Maura, decided to call it quits. Their divorce took 20 minutes, but Mr. Llera compares what came next to “more than a year of open war in the house.”

Sleeping in the same bed and sharing a single room with their 14-year-old daughter, they battled in Cuba’s courts over who should stay in their second-floor, two-bedroom apartment in the Vedado district here.


Brazil's oil 'blessing' is no energy panacea

A recent report by the Acende Brasil Institute, a private sector energy think tank, warned that the shortage of gas and water could cause blackouts similar to those in 2001 and stunt growth and force up prices.

"We are going to be strongly dependent on rain in 2008," says Acende Brasil president Claudio Sales. "There will be an increasing risk of rationing."


US Stalks Gulf of Mexico Oil Wealth

Bush then said exactly: "We will strengthen our own energy security and shared prosperity of the world economy collaborating with our allies, trading partners and energy producers." Mexico gathers the three qualities mentioned by Bush: it is a political and ideological ally of the United States, trading partner in the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and traditional supplier of oil to the imperial nation.

The "collaboration" between the US and Mexico was established in the Alliance for Security and Prosperity of North America, also formed by Canada.


Bangladesh: Coal, not gas, dependable source of energy, Gas reserves exhaust by 2011, Serious energy crisis looming

The country's proven gas reserves of 8.39 TCF are likely to be exhausted by 2011 and the probable reserves of 13.6 TCF by the end of the year 2015, indicating the possible shutdown of 90 percent gas-run-power plants, demonstrating the looming of serious energy crisis if its substitute, coal, as energy is not extracted from the mines or new gas fields are not discovered.


Indonesia making headway on higher oil and gas production

Upstream oil and gas regulator BPMigas says it is upbeat about achieving next year's oil production target, although this year's output expectations will not be achieved.

BPMigas deputy chairman Abdul Muin said recently that next year's target of 1.034 million barrels of oil per day was achievable on the back of an expected increase in the production of the country's major oil producer, Chevron, and the coming onstream of new oil fields.


Vietnam: Ministry mulls fund to hedge spikes in petroleum prices

Importers of refined petroleum products would be required to contribute to a fund to hedge against volatility in global prices, under a draft regulation being circulated by the Ministry of Finance.

The director of the ministry’s Pricing Management Department, Nguyen Tien Thoa, said the regulation would mandate importers contribute a part of their profits to the fund during times when import petrol prices are low. When world prices climb, they would receive rebates from the fund in return for keeping a lid on domestic retail prices.


19 Reported Dead in Chinese Mine

Nineteen miners died in a coal mine blast in a northeast Chinese province -- the latest casualties in another deadly year in the world's most dangerous mines, state-run media said Monday.

An explosion rocked the Shunfa Coal Mine on Saturday and the bodies of the 19 miners were recovered after a two-day rescue operation, the official Xinhua News Agency reported.


Nose-to-Nose With Bill Richardson

The book concludes with the chapter "2020 Vision." Richardson pictures a world magically transformed by his policies. Energy efficiency soars while energy prices fall. Carbon levels in the atmosphere drop while alternative energy investments actually pay for themselves. Oil dependence becomes a thing of the past. America is loved and admired again as other countries follow in our greentastic path.


Does the Future Need a Legal Guardian?

Given the human tendency to favor current needs over future risks, some environmental and legal scholars are proposing that governments at various levels appoint a “legal guardian of future generations” to consider the impact of policy choices on citizens yet unborn.


Baggage Ban on Batteries Begins

To help reduce the risk of fires, air travelers will no longer be able to pack loose lithium batteries in checked luggage beginning Jan. 1, the Transportation Department said Friday.

...The Federal Aviation Administration has found that fire-protection systems in the cargo hold of passenger planes can't put out fires sparked in lithium batteries.


Oil above $96, eyes biggest gain this decade

Oil rose above $96 a barrel on Monday, heading for its biggest annual gain this decade as dwindling fuel stocks and growing concern over political turmoil offset the impact of a softening U.S. economy.

...With prices starting the year at around $61, oil is now up almost 58 percent. It hit an all-time high of $99.29 on November 21 as a falling U.S. dollar and thinning inventories stoked investor interest.

Oil's rally is entering its seventh year, more than quadrupling its market value of below $20 at the start of 2002.

If prices hold, they will register their best performance for a front-month contract since 1999, when oil prices more than doubled from a $10 low.


Peak Oil: A Crude Awakening

Ask most people, and they'll probably tell you global warming is our greatest global obstacle. Some will even say something like terrorism or illegal immigration. Frankly, I thought I was pretty damn clever spotting the global credit bubble, and believed it to be the greatest global crisis we'd face in our lifetimes (i.e., something on order of five times larger than the S&L crisis). Even if I'm right about that number, I'm far from being right about the significance of the event.

I rented a movie this weekend, A Crude Awakening (2006), from Netflix. You have to see it; it changed my thinking in 90 minutes.


New Zealand Green Party: Peak oil acknowledgement a breath of fresh air

The Green Party is welcoming Prime Minister Helen Clark's acknowledgement that the Earth may have already reached peak oil production or that this point is very near.

"Helen Clark is the first New Zealand Prime Minister to grasp this fundamental driver of our future, and I commend her for this. Still, New Zealanders continue to wait with bated breath for some real action on this issue," Green Party Co-Leader Jeanette Fitzsimons says.


BP critic writes to lawmakers on new Alaska incident

A boiler at BP PLC's Alaska oil and gas operations suffered a short mid-December, the latest of a string of incidents at the company's local operations, according to a letter written last week by a BP critic to U.S. lawmakers.


Kirkuk Oil Flow To Ceyhan Stopped; 5.15 Million Bbl Stored

Oil shipments through a pipeline from Iraq's Kirkuk oil fields into the Turkish Mediterranean export terminal Ceyhan halted Thursday night a local shipping agent said Monday, and haven't yet resumed.


For car sales, this year may mark worst in 10

Holiday discounts failed to bring consumers out of their funk, and December sales are expected to fall around 4 percent, which would bring the full-year total for U.S. auto sales to 16.1 million vehicles, the lowest volume since 1998.

Sales have been hurt by consumer anxiety over gas prices, the housing crunch and the overall weakening economy.


Uganda: New Strategy for Energy Crisis

The new strategy is tackling electricity demand head-on instead of the old approach of chasing demand forecasts from behind. This is through attracting local, foreign, public and private investors into the sector.

...Already the Norwegian firm, Jacobsen Electro AS, has started work at Namanve to build a 50MW heavy-fuel oil thermal plant that is expected to deliver power in August 2008.

Uganda's first local independent power producer, Electro-Max, will also build a 20MW heavy-duel oil thermal plant in Tororo. Initial power is expected in June next year.


All fired up

Joe Shear, owner and operator of Northeast Chimney in Poughkeepsie, said he has also seen a steady rise in people using wood to heat their homes since the year 2000, and a particularly significant increase over the last three years.

"I would say right now that probably almost 40 to 50 percent of the people that come through my showroom are looking for ways to cut fuel costs. Five years ago that figure was more like 10 to 15 percent. I think people are, some of them at least, just fed up. Some people that have the money are simply saying, 'No, I don't want to pay that cost.'"


New England can lead the new energy boom

AMERICA NEEDS to shake its dependence on foreign oil. Our entire economic infrastructure is built on cheap energy, and with oil prices touching $100 a barrel, it is clear how vulnerable we have become. The global oil extraction rate is approaching an all-time peak, and global warming is at the top of the international agenda. The world is looking to America for leadership and New England is leading the nation.

Peak Indium and the Solar Power Industry

Indium, which is used by Nanosolar for instance, is expected to run out in 10 years (according to the following article). The article talks about research on a possible substitute, graphene.


New Material Promises to Save LCD, Solar Power Industry

It sounds like the death knell of the solar power industry -- shrinking Earth supplies of indium, which experts estimate will only last for another decade. Facing its darkest hour, a new breakthrough by researchers at Germany's Max Planck Institute for Polymer Research holds the promise of saving the solar industry from an untimely demise.

Solar cells have always relied on the metal indium, due to its transparency, which is essential to light emission or absorption in electronics. Engineers also regard indium valuable in LCDs and other transparent electrical devices. However, indium is a relatively rare metal on Earth and existing supplies are rapidly dwindling. Researchers have frantically searched for transparent conducting materials to little avail.

One more rare material looks to be replaced by one of the most common, carbon.

As I've been saying for a while, when our needs can be satisfied with carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen (the CHON elements), there will be effectively no barrier to indefinite sustainability of technological civilization as long as the sun shines.

.... there will be effectively no barrier to indefinite sustainability of technological civilization as long as the sun shines.

So when is it that all our needs will be satisfied by CHON? Might want to hurry that one a little. Within ten years, if not sooner, climate tipping points may make sustainability a word of the past. That is, if it isn't already. That is, if the combination of technology and sustainability isn't the biggest oxymoron of all times to begin with.

Can we have a guarantee the CHON paradise will be established before 2018? If not, never mind, we've got more important things to do.

The production ramp will be fast. There is a lot of money to be made in converting the lifeblood of our economy from oil to ingenuity.

But, it will take time to ramp production and refine techniques.

The largest delay will come from de-monopolizing power generation and transportation. These are regulated monopolies with monolithic distribution rules. Most innovations profit by preempting waste with distributed collaborative distribution (Internet like). Innovations break the rules.

The technology and manufacturing can be addressed, maybe not without real hardship. Regulatory approval to innovate is a more desperate issue.

Regulatory approval to innovate is a more desperate issue.

Ya know - I used to think that but its a lot more cloudy then just deregulation - powerful groups have a mutual assured destruction pact with each other. The EV1 (flawed example I know but stay with me) altered a market too much for the vested markets (auto parts supply, oil change shops, oil companys ect...) for it to be accepted. The vested market alliance kept with the relationships it knew.

One of the reasons that IBM fell in influence was due to the desire for the mass market to want to have th evil empire to fall - it was a social background that created the realizations that empowered the market to move beyond the mainframe modal.

Even with innovations the ground is littered with the bodies of companys that had the right idea but fell because people did not have a connection that the innovators success was tied to there own destiny.

I guess what I am trying to say is the regulators are simply one part of a puzzle - a social realization that ones own prosperity is connected to the success of a new market configuration and then the new market needs to create products that capture the passion of the consumer in a non rational way - involve yourself in this market and you will prosper, do not and you will personally fall.

All the deregulation in the world cant ignite that passion within a person - and all of the digital theorizing in the universe amounts to a rain dance for a non existent reality.

I am still hopeful - but looks like we do not have too much time.

No, you can't have any guarantees. As they said in my High School Natural History class, 'The only thing constant is change.' But even without a contract written in granite, don't you think we should be looking into the many things we're discovering we can do with carbon? Hydrocarbons, and (CHON) Organic Chemistry in general?

Yes, his statement was also overly broad. 'No Barrier', indeed.

There are MANY important things to do, and MANY people that we have to keep busy if we are to get there. (Since we clearly can't stay here..)

Bob

I seem to remember Indium going for something like $100 an ounce and this was several years ago.

It might be now, where gold was a decade ago.

If it could be displaced by carbon, it would be. There must be applications that really call for it.

One I've heard of it, that it's used in low-temperature soldering, like of mil-spec stuff.

I've long said that high-tech stuff would soon devalue to where it's only worth its scrap value, but that it where high-tech equipment stands now. It's not repairable, it's quickly outdated, and its only value is in the gold, palladium, and stuff like indium that may be on the circuit boards and in the chips.

The minute human beings began chipping stone tools we became a technological species. Just prior to the invention of the steam engine, Europe had thousands of water wheels powering manufacturing machinery of various types. A nascent solar power industry also existed but was cut short by the realization stored solar power in the form of coal was more economical to exploit. Assuming that the human race survives the coming energy transition, there is not the remotest possibility that we will become a non-technological species. The key questions are:

1. What level of economic production can be sustained in post fossil fuel world containing 8 or 9 billion people?

2. How long can the world’s net economic productivity continue to increase?

It is not just the sustainability of solar PV that matters, but economic cost of delivering a net unit of energy, including the cost of compensating for the variable nature of the solar resource on both short and long time scales as dispatchable fossil fuel generation declines. Since China is still building coal fired power plants like crazy, it is clear that solar energy has a ways to go yet before it can match the economic quality of fossil fuels.

Furthermore, no matter how much solar energy technology improves in the future, it cannot enable the exponential expansion of our economic productivity forever. When the world’s net economic productivity stops increasing, then new ways of allocating production resources and more equitable means of distributing economic output will have to be developed if we hope to maintain a humane, democratic society. I believe that the dream of purely technological fix which will enable business as usual operation of the current economic system to the end of the century and beyond, will prove delusory.

...if we hope to maintain a humane, democratic society.

I would maintain that we (USA) do not have what qualifies as a humane and democratic society. We may have come close a few decades ago, but things have been decidedly downhill since the 'Reagan Revolution'.

The trends of wealth accumulation, poverty and injustice are plainly negative. At present we likely have available the most energy per-capita that will ever be available (some figure the peak of per-capita energy was passed ~1989). Given this, how are these trends likely to be reversed. How are we going to fix our deteriorating infrastructure, house our homeless, provide health care and education for all in a future with less energy available? Especially considering the extra energy that will be taken to make the post fossil-fuel transitions?

Optimistic back-of-envelope calculations will mean nothing until these negative trends are seen to be clearly on the mend.

I would maintain that we (USA) do not have what qualifies as a humane and democratic society.

I agree with the above comment. I should have said: 'If we hope to create and maintain a humane, democractic society'.

when our needs can be satisfied with carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen (the CHON elements), there will be effectively no barrier to indefinite sustainability..

The fly in the ointment here is the "H" or Hydrogen. There is no free hydrogen anywhere on earth. It takes more energy to extract hydrogen from water than you get when it is re-oxidized and becomes water again.

Just saying that these elements are out there and all our needs can be satisfied from them says nothing. Well, it says nothing to anyone with any knowledge of thermodynamics anyway.

But of course the solar rollers believe we can build thousands of square miles of solar panels and extract all the hydrogen we need from water. But all this is nothing more than a pipe dream. It is a little like fusion energy, fifty years in the future, and always will be.

Ron Patterson

Or bussard fusion which could be just a few years away:

http://iecfusiontech.blogspot.com/2007/12/bussard-fusion-update.html

I like how Ron is so positive about what the future will bring, doesn't think there is absolutely any chance he is wrong. Although I think new science and tech will save the future, even I know there's a chance that is wrong and things will go bad. I think my favorite quote of the year on the forums was "absolute statements amuse absolutly" can't remeber who wrote it, but very telling. There was also someone who had a great prediction from 1880 about NYC, where the guy predicted in 100 years NYC would be overrun by horse manure, pretty amusing. The point of all this? No one not even Ron can predict the future with 100% certainty, only a fool would believe so.

unfortunately other than Bussard (now gone) and those who are continuing his work, nobody who works in fusion seems to think it will work - I've spoken to a few physicists who work in fusion and none of them believe the Bussard type fusors are the way to go...not my area of expertise by a long shot, but doesn't make me hopeful that the (fusion) cavalry is going to ride in at the last minute and save us all...

I agree the future is quite unknowable - but I would argue that some truly awful "nasty, brutish and short" futures are included (and perhaps more likely?)

on the other hand Indium was supposedly as common as silver, so how could we have only 10 years left? (and it has not been a sought-after element for very long, unlike silver) - not sure I'm buying into peak Indium yet...

I can make an absolute prediction that I am certain is right - everyone of us is going to eventually die.

I can make an absolute prediction that I am certain is right - everyone of us is going to eventually die.

It's that "eventually" that's the tricky bit. . .

Are you aware that so far only about half of the people who ever reached the age of 1 have died?

Which just goes to show how much of the world's resources we must plunder to keep the current population alive and happy for the remainder of our natural lives...

Not a nice thought.

Are you aware that so far only about half of the people who ever reached the age of 1 have died?

Wrong! Not just wrong but terribly wrong. A quick google check of "How many people have ever lived on earth" brings up several estimates.

The total of the entries of the last column is about 2,402 billion person-years (2,402,000,000,000). If one divides by 25 as an estimate of average lifespan, one estimates that 96,100,000,000 people have lived on the earth. http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ramsey/People.html

And:

Number who have ever been born 106,456,367,669 http://www.prb.org/Articles/2002/HowManyPeopleHaveEverLivedonEarth.aspx

But of course it does not say how many of those 106 billion lived to reach the age of 1. But you can be sure it was far more than one in 30, the number it must be if half the people who reached the age of 1 are alive today.

So only 1 in 15 to 20 people who ever lived are alive today.

Ron Patterson

Yeah, estimates since agricultural development, are as high as 100 billion, but with much of the time in that 10,000 year period having infant mortality rates as high as 1 in 2, about 50 billion have reached 1 year old - so today it's about 1 in 8 people alive compared to the total who have reached 1 year...

Now, if you look at resource use, I would suspect that our resource use, for the people alive today, will far outweigh all the rest of human history.

AntiDoomer, your critique of my post can best be described as "whining". I posted my opinion that thousands of square miles of solar panels to generate hydrogen from water and save the world form peak oil was a dream, and like fusion energy, always somewhere in the future.

You replied with a URL that on the Bussard reactor that ended with this statement:

"Someday, they said, if they're right, a machine just 20 times bigger than the one sitting in the corner on Parkway Drive could run the city of Santa Fe."

Someday indeed! And I made no absolute declarations in my post. But I do believe that crude oil will begin its decline in five to ten years, perhaps less. And the fusion reactor that will solve all our problems is coming down the pike someday! We cannot wait for someday AntiDoomer.

If peak oil hits the economy hard, and I believe it will, research money will be the first to go, especially research money that only promises a "perhaps someday" reward.

Ron Patterson

One Glaring problem with fusion is how to extract energy from it. Half of the energy output of D-D fusion is fast neutrons which are extremely difficult to trap and convert into thermal energy. These fast neutrons also have a nasty habit of embrittling materials as well as transforming them into radioactive isotopes. Fusion has the radioactive madas touch. Everything in reach will become radioactive.

That's exactly the point for why Bussard's polywell fusion is potentially so interesting. He believed the machine would support Boron-proton fusion, which is a much much cleaner process.

One description of this:

Theoretical and experimental results suggest that this "polywell" approach to fusion can not only generate net power, but do it in a clean way, with no radioactive byproducts, using fuels (hydrogen and boron) that are abundant environmentally friendly.

For more details: (Should Google Go Nuclear?, Polywell, Aneutronic Fusion).

theantidoomer,
Thanks for posting that link. It's nice to hear that Bussard's polywell work is still progressing.
W.

Please.

We researchers and engineers who churn out this miraculous stuff for you to brag about are dismayed by your lack of understanding.

Have you any idea what compromises and limitations we have to fight each day just to keep adding tiny refinements to existing technologies? And how long its been since anything 'revolutionary' has been discovered?

We're no longer plunging into the unknowns, full of undiscovered unpredictable new fangled things. That was over hundred years ago. Today we know rather well what might be possible. Rather we are like stuck in a small box of limits of laws of physics, tediously stretching our limbs for better positions, with ever diminishing returns...

But surely more money will create more innovation and release us from our troubles?

What do you mean by more money? Double my budget? Ten times the dimes I have? So a hundred times then. Ok, that'll buy me some latest equipment, hire a couple of research teams on projects I'd been keeping in the closet, and maybe a new building for them. Let's see ... no, you didn't even double my 'innovations'. And by the way, now I'll need that same or increasing amount of money every year from now on just to stay in place.

Money is linear but research subjects are infinitely exponential. Give me any amount of money, and I'll spread it out so thinly on all the possibilities that nobody will notice the difference. So you have to make choices. Not just ball park guesses but actually very specific and highly defined narrow projections on where it's worth placing the buck.

And then you go to work. You spend 5 years collaborating with your international colleagues to experimentally test some of the most likely projections. You end up with a candidate or two and spend your next 5 year's budget to make the experiments that define enough data to see some of the engineering limits of its applications. Then a venture capital firm jumps on some fruitful looking angle of your technology and you spend another 5 years waiting if they can get their shit together and make anything out of it. Oh, too expensive for the current market conditions? - damn, back to the drawing board. And so on and on...

So, you see, I find it hard to share your optimism. Perhaps you'd like to share with us your ideas and experiences on why we should think that after a hundred years, our modern, mature, pumped dry and streched to the limit -technology has the capacity left, or the time to deploy, solutions or even significant mitigations to problems like PO or GW?

Ransu, great post. I read it twice. I could not stop chuckling at your venting of your frustration. Of course I know it was not funny to you but nevertheless I could not stop laughing.

A far better rebuttal to TheAntiDoomer than I could ever give.

Thanks again.

Ron Patterson

ransu, great post - right about dead on what the less technocopian fusion researchers describe...

I know one fusion physicist who (quietly on the side) said to me that he sees societal collapse before we solve the engineering issues of fusion - I'm afraid his view is far closer to mine than the "we can mine helium 3 from the moon and run society forever!" camp....

the test reactor that they just groundbroke in France, I wonder if it will even be finished when budgetary problems hit? and that's a test, not adding anything to the grid at all...

ransu,

The frustration is understandable.

While you're crying in your beer I'd like to hear how the unified theory of physics goes - since you implied it with "Rather we are like stuck in a small box of limits of laws of physics,"

Ah, did I? Well, may I then too assume you imply that the existance of water-proof unified theory is required before one is allowed to critically look at what can be achieved?

As for crying into my beer, may I be excused for doing so when surrounded by antidoomer people spouting silly nonsense without the slighest understanding or experience in experimental physics or real world engineering?

My point was the species is still learning the physics laws, so the box size is unknown ...and then there is that real world engineering ...that costs ...money.

Yeah, reality is a hard taskmaster !!

Ok, the box I was talking about is the conceptual frame, which consists of our understanding of physics, a frame you need in order design any kind of experiments in science or applications in engineering. We know this box well, we've been bouncing on its sides for long enough now, and its getting tight for us already. We see clearly all the walls and have measured the angles between them, so it sure looks like a box to us, inside of which we are stuck. Now, we cannot quite see if the seams join in the corners so there is some small uncertainty left, hence we can't make up our minds on the unified box theory yet...

Now, what you mean is well known - the limits have been discussed here on TOD many times. Your box is the reality. Specifically for us, at this time, this globe. With all our physics and chemistry books and datasheets full of statistics on ecology of populations, we just don't seem to 'get it'. As a species we're the kid in the classroom who slept during all the lessons when nature spoke of the rules and limits, which govern everything. Now we're sweating it out at the exam, trying to make up stuff in the answer sheet.

Re: "the conceptual frame,"

Thanks for the clarification.

This post explains exactly why I left the field of environmental ecology (entomology) and became a computer analyst for a private company. I decided the effort to succeed in science far outweighed the returns. I am glad that there are some folks left in the world with the stamina to keep up scientific effort, but it becomes more difficult every passing year. My tolerance for it all ran out after ten years.

I salute you and sympathize with your struggle. I decided to try for a more normal life...kids and a salary to support them.

Ransu,

Excellent post. A lot of intelligent folks still don't seem to 'get' either the time constraints this particular civilization is under or the Tainteresque diminishing returns on investment in complexity, which are huge at this point in mature fields.

I spoke with Bussard last year about his approach, not because I thought it would work, but because it was one of the few long-shot approaches which might not prove to be impossible, and if it wasn't impossible, it seemed to possibly have the characteristics which could allow it to be retrofitted into current systems in a reasonable time. (ITER-style tokamaks won't ever be built out significantly even if they work fine). In other words, a hail-mary pass.

In other words, a desperation move. We're down to desperation moves at this point. His work was funded by the Navy instead of by what I had in mind, which was fine by me. I'll be amazed if anything comes of it, but it'd be nice.

Anyone who thinks there are plenty of tech answers out there to human overshoot really, really, doesn't understand the problems.

Keep posting!