The Expected Economic Impact of an Energy Downturn

I have been asked to give a short talk about the expected economic impact of an energy downturn. The talk is to be part of public health program called "Converging Environmental Crises: A Teach-in on Energy, Climate Change, Water, Agriculture and Population." I expect that the audience will be university students plus physicians and others in the public health field. The talk will be recorded, and will appear on the internet. I have added some to the talk, since my first draft. These are the PowerPoint slides I show. This is a link to the recorded version of my talk.

Good afternoon. My name is Gail Tverberg. Some of you know me as "Gail the Actuary" on TheOilDrum.com web site. The Oil Drum is a web site about energy and our future.

Today, I will be talking to you about The Expected Economic Impact of an Energy Downturn. If, after this talk, you would like to learn more about peak oil and about resource depletion issues of all types, TheOilDrum.com is a good site to go to for more information.

Let's talk a bit first about the energy downturn. As everyone is aware, the price of gasoline and diesel has been rising recently. The reason the price is rising is because the world's supply of oil cannot keep up with demand.


Figure 1



I have illustrated the situation we are facing in Figure 1. In this chart, I show demand increasing in the future at about the same rate that consumption has increased in the past. One reason for increasing demand is growth of economies of developing countries such as China and India.

The supply of oil has leveled off. Oil production for 2007 was about the same as it was in 2005 and 2006. Many people believe that sometime in the next few years, supply may actually begin to fall. Even if supply remains level, as it has in the past three years, there will be a growing gap between expected future demand and supply.

Why Does a Drop in Oil Production Make a Difference?

Why does a drop in the production of oil, or for that matter, any type of energy, make a difference? After all, oil doesn't cost a lot. We only pay about 4% of the US gross domestic product for it.

In many ways, oil is like food for your car, or food for the earthmover that makes our roads. Without food, we can't do anything. We would starve. Without oil, or the fuel made from oil, all of our big equipment won't work. Our electric power plants use other types of fuel, but if they don't have the fuel they need, we won't have the electric power we need either. Our houses will be dark.

We talk about substitutes, but in the real world they are still a very long way off. Think about plug-in battery-operated cars--that's the kind that use only electricity. First of all, we really don't have this kind of car perfected. Even if we did, it wouldn't solve our need for a whole lot of other kinds of vehicles, like semi-trucks and earth-moving equipment.

Suppose we did have the plug-in cars perfected. We still would have to figure out how to build the cars in quantity. Engineers are looking at the possibility of using lithium batteries, but the supply of lithium isn't necessarily sufficient for making millions of batteries for cars.

We also have to think about how people will pay for all the new cars. If there isn't a good supply of oil, the old cars suddenly are worth very little. How many people are going to be able to buy a new car, if they can't trade in their old car as a down payment on the new one?

Scientists have looked at a lot of other solutions as well, but they all seem to be a long way off. It is hard to get people to tell us the truth about the problem. Politicians don't want to admit there is a problem that they don't have a solution for. Even a publication like Scientific American won't admit there is a problem. They would like us to think that our scientists can fix any problem. No one wants to admit that the solutions they are looking at are a long way off.

Earth Is Finite

What is happening is that the earth is finite, and we are starting to reach some of its limitations. At this point, most of the "easy to extract" oil has already been removed. There is still oil in the ground, but what remains is becoming more and more difficult to remove.

When we try to find alternatives, we encounter limitations of other types. In some situations, natural gas might be a substitute, but in North America it is also in relatively short supply. Coal is in better supply, but it has serious climate change issues.

We hear a lot about ethanol from corn. Growing corn for ethanol requires huge amounts of agricultural land and fresh water. Both agricultural land and fresh water are in limited supply. About 25% of the corn we grow in the United States is now being used to produce ethanol. Even using this huge amount of corn, we don't produce very much ethanol. The energy content of the ethanol produced is equal to only about 1% of energy of the oil we use. Clearly, there is no way we can scale up this process, to cover any reasonable shortfall of oil.

Even the minerals that we might use in batteries, and the uranium we might use in nuclear reactors, are becoming increasingly difficult to extract. We have already removed most of the high quality ores of many minerals. What is left is ores of lower concentration. These ores can still be extracted, but it takes more energy resources to process this ore. The energy resources used for processing the ore are often oil and natural gas, and they themselves are in increasingly short supply.

Immediate Economic Impacts

We are all aware that the price of oil is rising. With the increase in price in oil, the price of things made from oil, such as gasoline, diesel fuel, and asphalt also rises. In some cases, it is possible to substitute one fuel for another. Because of this, prices for other fuels, like natural gas and coal, also tend to rise. Electricity is made from coal and natural gas, so its price tends to increase as well.

Food prices are also rising. This is partly because oil is used in growing crops and transporting them to market, and the cost of oil is higher. Higher food prices also reflect the fact that food production is not keeping up with demand, now that demand is so much higher because of biofuel use.

Impacts of Higher Food and Oil Prices

A major impact of higher food and oil prices is to squeeze out discretionary spending, such as eating out at restaurants and flying overseas on vacation. Some students may have to temporarily drop out of college, if their families can no longer afford to help with tuition. Families will cut back in many different ways to keep their budgets balanced.

Another impact of higher food and oil prices is more defaults on loans. We first heard about higher default rates on subprime mortgages. As prices of food and energy continue to rise, defaults can be expected to spread to other kinds of loans, such as credit card debt, auto loans, and student loans.

As families cut back on spending, financial difficulties can be expected to spread to businesses. Some types of businesses that are particularly vulnerable include restaurants, airlines, auto manufacturers, and homebuilders. Businesses with high levels of debt are especially vulnerable, since a drop in revenue is likely to make it difficult to make loan payments.

Financial institutions, such as banks, hedge funds, insurance companies, and pension funds are also likely to be affected by rising default rates. When individuals or businesses take out loans, these loans are often held by one of the various types of financial institutions. If there are defaults, it adversely affects these institutions. Banks and hedge funds often borrow money themselves, so they may find themselves squeezed in the middle if default rates rise. Insurance companies and pension funds may find themselves unable to meet their obligations, if defaults become a serious problem.

Finally, recession is an important impact of higher food and oil prices. Higher energy prices in the past have lead to recessions, including the very severe recession that took place in 1973 to 1975. It is likely that higher energy prices are one of the causes of the current recession.

Longer Term Impacts

The graph I showed earlier suggested that the gap between oil supply and demand is likely to get wider, as time goes on. If the shortfall in oil continues to get worse, and it is not possible to offset this shortfall in other ways, this recession may become permanent. The recession may get worse with time, turning into what we would think of as a long-term depression.

We are now reaching limits of many kinds. One way of representing the economy at various points in time is as disks of various sizes. Each year, society has various resources available to it, in terms of oil, natural gas, fresh water, soil productivity, minerals of various types, good climate, and people available to work with these resources. Based on the investments we have made over the years, society is able to produce a collection of goods and services using these resources. The amount of these goods and services has been growing. Let us look at this graphically.

In the recent past, the economy has been growing:


Figure 2

With a long-term recession, it may change to a no-growth economy:


Figure 3

More likely, the economy will decline as resources deplete:


Figure 4

(TOD readers: In the article The financial crash has a simple cause and a simple solution, Jerome a Paris discusses the fact that since 2002, the US median wage has stagnated. Thus, for a large share of the population, we have already reached the "no growth" scenario. This lack of growth in median wages is likely the reason that the financial services industry developed new forms of loans that made home-buying look more affordable than it really was. The lack of growth in median wage is also a likely reason that those same schemes are now falling apart. To the right is the graph Jerome showed.)

With a declining resource base, the median wage, adjusted for inflation, is likely to decline. This decline in median wage means that default rates on loans are likely to increase, and that discretionary spending will continue to decline.

Future Promises

It is not very obvious just looking at an array of discs, but a change from a growing economy, to a flat or declining economy, is really a major change. With a growing economy, future promises are relatively easy to fund:


Figure 5

The reason promises like interest payments and social security payments are relatively easy to fund in a growing economy is because these payments are generally not growing as fast as the economy as a whole. When promises such as these are made, the expectation is that the payments will be less of a burden in the future, because the economy will have grown. With this growth, there should be plenty of funds left over for other things.

With a flat or declining economy, funding for promises becomes almost impossibly difficult. Food and energy costs become a bigger share of the economy, over time, because of energy shortages. Future promises like interest, social security, and Medicare payments also become bigger, relative to the total. I have illustrated this in another graph. The combination of the two types of increases, that is the food and energy costs plus the cost of future promises, becomes a huge problem. There is not enough left over for "everything else".


Figure 6

Lenders Will Soon Catch on to Decline

If the economy is in long-term decline, it will not be very long before lenders start to catch on. Some creditors may actually figure out that the economy is not growing, and that it is not likely to grow in the future, because of energy shortages and other limits. Other lenders may only figure out that the default rate is very high, and, because of the way the economy is headed, it can only go higher. Regardless of their reasoning, many lenders are likely to come to the same conclusion, namely, that it no longer makes sense to offer loans.

For the United States, the balance of payments deficit is very much like debt. For years, the United States has been importing nearly twice as many goods as it exports. Once trading partners realize that the US economy is in long-term decline, they will realize that it will be almost impossible for the United States to make up for its export shortfall in the future. They are also likely to realize that buying US treasury bonds is not a good substitute for an even trade balance, since the Treasury bonds are likely to decline in value in the future, in terms of the goods they can buy. These issues could lead to a crisis in US imports of all kinds.

World Is Headed for a Credit Unwind

It seems likely that the world is now headed for a major unwind of credit. There has recently been a crisis in the financial markets. This crisis looks very much like the beginning of a major shift toward reduced credit availability. As energy supplies get tighter, economic conditions are likely to get even worse. People will be spending more for food and gasoline, so will be more likely to default on loan payments. If people are out of work, they are more likely to share living spaces. This will reduce demand for houses, and further depress prices.

I expect that the shift toward reduced credit availability will expand in the future. This may even be the "great unwind", in which debt and financial instruments of all types, including derivatives, become very much less common. The real question now is what form the unwind will take. How major will it be? Will it take place in steps, or will large sections of it occur all at once?

The impact of a credit unwind is very much like cutting up a person's credit cards. The person (or business or government) still owes as much debt as in the past, but the organization has no way of obtaining new credit. The debtor must now repay the loans out of current income, in addition to paying current expenses out of income. For many, this will not be possible. Bankruptcy seems likely for many, including a large number of businesses and some governments.

It is possible that a correction to the balance of payments situation, mentioned previously, could be part of the unwind. If this happens, imports of all kinds could drop by as much as half, very quickly.

Looking Ahead 20 or 30 Years

If we look ahead 20 or 30 years, it seems likely that the world will be very much poorer. Personal autos may be rare. Electricity may be unreliable. It is likely that we will have much less in the way of goods and services than we have today. A growing population may add to our problems. If the smaller supply of goods and services is divided among more people, living standards are likely to be much lower than they are today.

If the world becomes much poorer, I would expect social security and Medicare to be drastically scaled back or even eliminated. There will be so little goods and services in total that society cannot afford to set aside much for the disabled and elderly.

I expect that in 20 or 30 years, many business and governments will have failed. Bonds of these businesses and governments will have little value. Stocks of companies that remain in business will continue to have value, but this value may not be high compared to the cost of available goods. Inflation rates are likely to be high, reflecting the lack of goods and services for people to actually buy if they do have money.

Insurance companies and pension plans own stocks and bonds of other companies. When these other companies fail, the insurance companies and pension plans are likely to encounter financial difficulty as well. People who were counting on insurance companies and pension plans for benefits are likely to get nothing, or to receive benefits that are worth very little, because of hyperinflation. I expect most people will choose to continue to work as long as they are physically able to work, because of the poor retirement and pension benefits available.

My expectation is that over the next 20 or 30 years, globalization is likely to be scaled back. A decline in air travel will make it more difficult to manage international businesses. There will be less trust for other countries, because of all the defaults. Countries expecting to import goods are likely to need a corresponding amount of goods to export.

Nature of the Transition

The exact timing and shape of transition from our current economic system to the one that will be in place twenty or thirty years from now is not yet clear. Ideally, the transition will be a slow one, planned by governments. Even if it is slow, it will not look all that slow to people who are laid off, or to people who can no longer afford to drive a car.

It seems at least equally likely that the transition will not be smooth. Many people talk about the possibility of some type of implosion, if our current debt situation cannot be straightened out, or if rising food and gasoline prices make the debt situation worse.

We would like to think that our current financial system can handle multiple failures by banks, money markets, hedge funds, and insurance companies. It is possible, though, that failures will cascade through the system, because each institution owes money to multiple other institutions. If too many institutions fail at once, it is possible that the safety nets in place for the financial system will not work. A lot of people could lose a lot of money, overnight, from multiple failures of institutions holding our money.

There is a second way cascading failures of financial institutions could work out badly. Suppose multiple failures cascade through the financial system, and regulators actually succeed in keeping financial institutions propped up. It is possible that all of the extra cash added to the system may cause rapid inflation, or hyperinflation. If this should happen, we might all find that our money will purchase very little, almost overnight. Our bank accounts would still be full; we just wouldn't be able to buy much of anything.

Unfortunately, the current safety net in case of cascading failures is fairly limited. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has proposed a new regulatory structure that would be wider ranging, and presumably provide a better safety net. Getting agreement on what this new regulatory structure should be is likely to take months. In addition, once a new structure is agreed upon, it is likely to take at least another year or two to fully implement the new plan.

Meanwhile, the problem with failing financial institutions is a very current one. If recent trends continue, it is possible that several large financial institutions may fail within the next few weeks or months. If failures occur this quickly, it is doubtful any new structure will yet be in place. We can only hope that ad hoc methods, such as those used by the Federal Reserve so far, will be successful in keeping things patched together.

Health Care Services

Since this talk is part of a series of talks related to public health, I will close by making a few comments about changes I expect in the healthcare field.

I expect that over the next 20 or 30 years, health care services are likely to be drastically scaled back. In a poorer world, I expect that services of all kinds are likely to become less important relative to actual physical goods, and medical services will not be an exception. Fees paid to physicians are likely to be scaled back even more than health care services in general, because few will be able to afford the high fees physicians currently charge.

Public health may become more important, rather than less. If people are poorer, they may look to the government to provide some basic level of service. We might do well to look at how some of the poorer countries are handling healthcare now, for some ideas as to what we might do in the future.

If there is a shortage of oil, transportation is likely to be an issue, for both healthcare employees and for patients. Smaller facilities, within walking distance of patients, may become more important.

Because we are running into limits in so many ways, I expect that electrical interruptions will become more common in the next 20 or 30 years. These may even become a problem early on, for a whole host of reasons, including lack of water for cooling, lack of fuel for power generation, and poor upkeep of the electrical grid. Healthcare providers would be wise to plan for the day when elevators and electronic records may not be available.

Conclusion

I am sorry all of these predictions are very downbeat. As the world reaches it limits, it is clear that the growth paradigm that we are used to will have to end. Decline is in fact quite likely. The financial world does not deal well with economic decline, so economic problems are likely to be among the more severe ones facing the nation and the world, in the years ahead.

Thank you.

Gail,

Sad, but most probably true.

As currencies become more debt-based (debts that were in-turn based on the promise of fossil-fuel fueled growth) they will obviously lose value. I suspect that a barter-based economy will become more prevalent.

I'm watching the budget debates going on in NJ. There are rumors that government departments might be eliminated. If true, where would the workloads go? After all, things need to be taken care of. Scary.

Things may need to be taken care of, but I suspect that they won't. If there is no Department of Education, each school will be on its, and any funding will be allocated on the basis of the simplest possible formula. If there are not enough funds for prisons, some excuse will be made to let the prisoners out early. Medicaid will go away too, if there are not funds for it.

I also heard the NJ State Department of Agriculture, as well as funding of equipment acquisitions for volunteer fire departments (as if they don't get paid little enough as is).

I live in NJ too and was a volunteer fire fighter a couple of years ago. I'm not sure that the state has ever had a significant hand in providing money for local departements to buy gear. Most of the money comes from private donations or fire distric taxes. Still, the budget situation in NJ is something to be concerned with. Gov. Corzine, as far as I'm concerned, is being realistic about the situation, and a lot of people in the state assembly simply don't want to face up to reality.

California has a 16 BILLION dollar deficit... so you can imagine the cuts going out here on the left coast.

Todd

If I were a lender, I would have serious questions about lending California anything, with that kind of deficit. California looks like a problem waiting to happen.

California is a problem in progress.

Interesting that the Bush regime has brought down three sitting Democratic governors. Gray Davis in California by recall, Don Siegelman in Alabama by dubious prosecution, and Eliot Spitzer in New York State by combing his financial records. (Spitzer is shamefully guilty, but his offenses were uncovered by opposition research. Siegelman seems to have been railroaded.)

The "no growth" situation cannot be recognized too soon.

I wasn't able to quickly find the last time that the CA budget was actually balanced, but it's been broken for a long time. At least 10 years, but my memory says much longer than that. We've been running on borrowed money forever. As in many other things, CA is a microcosm of the bigger picture, and it wouldn't suprise me a bit if, in the same way that we have led the country in pursuit of renewable energy and emissions controls, we also lead it in playing out the inevitable end of the borrowing game.

Great work on this article, Gail! It's not a pretty picture but you told it straight and simply, and you did it well.

Governments downsizing is something that I hadn't really thought much about until I read Kunstler's new book "World Made By Hand", where the State government in Albany is down to one guy working alone in the Capitol building (He has no authority, everything is really run by a warlord). As for medical care, it's just a GP in the little town (Union Grove) which is the main setting. He has to brew up his own pain-killers and other medicines. Most awfully, there aren't any antibiotics to be had. (I personally hope Kunstler is wrong about the antibiotics. )

I think your presentation is good, but I wonder if many young people will be able to fully understand its implications. A few more concrete examples might be helpful: little by little we'll have a tough time getting and affording plastic; we won't be able to fix roads, so people will have a harder time to simply VISIT a doctor, etc.

I'll see if I can add an example or two.

If I give the talk to other audiences later, when I am not constrained to 20 minutes, I can add some more.

I've discovered when you say, "There may not be medications", I get a lot of arguments that this is the highest use, so of course we would have medications, even if we had nothing else. Also, if I say there may not be plastics, someone believes that since they take such a small share of the petroleum, surely they will be spared. And so on.

If this is a part of a group of talks, it is hard to know how much foundation the other speakers will have laid.

Gail, what a great way of expressing the problems of medications or any usage - somehow they end up broken down and we're still using as much oil as ever! That's very helpful to me when I run into these same questions.

Sharon

Hey! Make with the Spoiler Alert! Some of us are still checking the mailbox for our copy of WMBH.

Thought about buying it locally, yes.

(I personally hope Kunstler is wrong about the antibiotics.)

Our grandparents' generation, our parents', our own, and perhaps our childrens', have had the great good fortune to have existed during the extremely narrow window in human history when fossil fuels were cheap and antibiotics actually worked.

Gail - Thank-you for writing a realistic unsanitzed version of events. We are so conditioned to the happy ending that this may sound downbeat. The post-peak world is a different landscape. The sooner we look at that reality and make adjustments the better.

There's a number of international organizations like The International Committee of the Red Cross, The International Organization for Migration, and UN activities like WFP that receive funding from the various member nations. Lots of these programs are already operating on a fairly tight budget and I'd guess things will get tighter still as nations look for places to cut. I doubt that donations will be especially forthcoming in hard times and there's probably some minimal funding level below which they just can't operate. (The bird with one wing can't fly witticism fits here.)

I often read here where folks assert that it's not possible for there to be a massive die-off in this day and time. Perhaps not here in the US (but I'm now so sure about that-things can happen very fast with a confluence of untoward events). Folks killed directly by warfare or a climatic disaster can't be prevented, but timely aid via these international programs can prevent lots of deaths and privation that sets in once the hurricane, volcano, earth quake, tsunami or whatever subsides.
I know from observing the response to the infamous hurricane Katrina that governments can be pretty callous about such things even when it strikes on the home turf and it's probably even easier to ignore if it's some little country somewhere in Africa.

Short answer: they won't.

Entitlement programs of all sorts will be scaled back or eliminated.

Infrastructure, especially roads, will be maintained less well and eventually not at all.

The fact is that we have built an enormous edifice that couldn't be funded even with steady growth, and certainly won't be in a shrinking economy.

In the short term you'll see desperate tax grabs, along with enormous labor disruptions from public sector unions as their disproportionate wage increases stall and even more as serious layoffs begin.

Longer term you'll see a lot of very angry ex-entitlement recipients causing increasing political turmoil.

Inner city riots will be commonplace as welfare stipends disappear.

Ya know - I don't think so. I was around during the riots of LA - but something tell me the anger is not in the air - maybe because we are all screwed?

maybe because we are all screwed?

I'd say the energy peak message has not quite arrived.

When the shelves of food go blank - then you will see reaction.

As an example of government funding problems, think of what happened in California after Prop 13 passed. Lots of departments took big hits, especially education. There was a hiring freeze, which, incidentally, cost me a job and a career. Governments will try to raise taxes where they can, which will only make the problem for the consumer more difficult and hit the consumer based economy even harder.

E. Swanson

The Economist Has No Clothes

In 1847 German physicist Hermann von Helmholtz formulated the conservation of energy principle and postulated the existence of a field of conserved energy that fills all space and unifies these phenomena. Later in the century James Maxwell, Ludwig Boltzmann and other physicists devised better explanations for electromagnetism and thermodynamics, but in the meantime, the economists had borrowed and altered Helmholtz’s equations.

The strategy the economists used was as simple as it was absurd—they substituted economic variables for physical ones.

Could you double check your link?

Actuaries are involved with a field that is basically economic, but don't go through the same indoctrination as everyone else (unless actuaries choose to take additional economic courses). My MS is in mathematics.

The casualty actuarial profession (what I am) basically grew up outside of the university system. We have our list of readings, and there are short courses a person can sign up to take, taught by other actuaries. Everyone must pass the prescribed examinations. There were never enough casualty actuaries to justify our own university program. There is now a program in Canada, at the University of Waterloo.

The life actuarial field is bigger, and is somewhat more tied to universities, but still pretty separate. I don't think we lost anything by not being closely tied to the economists.

the html in his link seems to have an extra close command at the end of it..

Well...economists might have taught you about supply and demand. When the price goes up.....
I doubt, at these prices, you will see demand rise the way you project on your charts. In fact, I think we have seen the peak already.....US demand now running below year-ago levels.....
add to that fresh supplies coming on..,Shell says they can extract shale oil at $30 a barrel, and they just annnounced they likely can make gasoline from biomass....man, these guys are great....never bet against man's ingenuity....
I hate to bring good news to the party here, but the fact is we will be making plenty of energy in the years ahead, as the demand shrinks...maybe a glut coming.....

Shell can't extract shale oil for $30/barrel or they'd be doing it. Extracting oil from shale requires lots of water and natural gas, gas now being used to heat homes. As it is diverted to produce shale and natural gas supplies diminish, the price of gas will rise exponentially.

And the amount of oil produced from shale will NEVER maintain pace with the loss of easy to refine light crude from existing mature fields.

Wake up and smell the napalm.

I hate to bring good news to the party here, but the fact is we will be making plenty of energy in the years ahead, as the demand shrinks

While you just got here - perhaps you take the time to read the arguments and data posted over the years, then cite how the arguments were wrong.

I'll try to remember your name a year from now - and see how your good news is working out.

Here is the correct link for the article:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-economist-has-no-clothes

This is an April 2008 article! People are actually now thinking about the issue. It is well past time.

I'm still confused.

... Was it the April 1 edition?
.....Or the April 31 edition?

Gold as an investment alternative? How would the value of gold develop under this scenario?

I would think it would have value. You probably wouldn't be able to buy milk and eggs with it, because the denomination would be way out of line. You would have to be able to show that it was really gold, and of the weight you said. I don't think ownership of a piece of a bar somewhere in someone's vault would necessarily be all that helpful, but if everything worked out well with paper currency, maybe it would be.

As simple as it sounds, if you want a cheap "lifeboat investment" go to your bank and load up on Eisenhower dollar coins and other coins.

If paper inflates, small coins will hold relative value against inflation.

Unless you can defend great wealth in a meltdown, it is best not to go flashing gold coins.

I think we can make the corner. Efficiency increases are so easy to make. The big question is will we make the effort before the fenders hit the corner.

I think we can make the corner.

If by 'make the corner' you mean keep the stock market growing for the rest of the century, I am extremely skeptical that we can do so. If we could create an economic system that did not require constant growth in order to be 'healthy' then it is possible that a combination of efficiency and the development of non-fossil energy sources could maintain a decent standard of living. However, creating an economy which does not 'need' growth requires altering the fundamental power relationships of our society. I am not holding my breath waiting for such an event to occur.

I think it is possible to have an economy that is not reliant on growth. The problem is it would involve government takeover of all banks, with zero interest loans for monetary creation, and an eternally balanced budget where taxes go up everytime government spending goes up.

Doable, but not politically viable until things get a lot worse.

I agree. Unfortunately the number of people who understand that public or community financing is an alternative to private financing is extremely small.

You can buy bags of silver quarters and dimes, that are a whole lot less expensive than gold coins. These would seem to me to be more practical. Check on the internet for suppliers.

I have numerous 1000oz silver bars (the big one in the pic below). Heavy as hell, but can be taken to a bank for a lot of credit. These bars are stamped with serial numbers and the exact weight (rarely exactly 1000oz), so no need to "prove" they are silver or have them assayed.

Must be fun having numerous bricks of that value. Hope you don't have to swim anywhere with 'em.

Nice that they have serial numbers and exact weight, but I think you still might have to "prove" it's really silver. Seems like you could make 'em hollow and pour in lead & aluminum to get the specific gravity just right.

One of my colleagues, metals investing guru Greg McCoach, recommends buying silver eagles in particular, because they are not only silver, but legal tender.

Euro,

Be sure to check on what the costs are if you need to sell/convert to cash. Gold traders - like any trader in other investment deals - do charge fees.

Although I agree with almost every word of this, I suspect it is a bit too harsh an introduction to peak net energy. You come to extreme conclusions (in the context of a typically unaware US audience) whilst presenting very little evidence to support it. It is a big subject to cover in one talk, but a little more introduction to how central energy is to industrial society, and some references to external information for those that wish to review the evidence may help.

In 20 minutes, it is hard to know where to go. I was originally starting from the premise that someone else would be talking about peak oil. After I looked at the list of speakers and talks, I decided that wasn't necessarily the case. Some of the others seemed to be talking about population overshoot and collapse. The speakers mostly seem to come from a medical/biological background, so the whole concept of energy is off their radar.

I ended us with at least a short introduction to energy shortages. I hope that a few of the others will go in this direction as well.

There are some articles on medicine, public health and peak oil, often by Bednarz and sometimes by Montague. See rachel.org. Maybe something there will help bridge to the health aspects.

cfm in Gray, ME

Bednarz is organizing the event Gail is preparing for. I will give a talk, so will my wife, an MD. I think the promo materials will be available soon and it is free and open to anyone who visits the web site.

One blogger:

Peak oil medicine, a blog by Dr Paul Roth exploring health care options for a scarce oil future.

http://peakoilmedicine.com/

Very standard, mainstream.

There is actually quite a bit of standard medicine that one can do with very little electricity. When my father learned medicine in the 1940s, he used a stethoscope even more than doctors do now. He learned to diagnose illnesses more based on symptoms, with much less reliance on medical tests.

Later, my father learned hypnotism, and used that as an anesthetic when delivering babies and when sewing up people hurt in auto accidents.

My father is no longer alive, but he would get very disgusted with the doctors he went to because they couldn't do the kind of medicine he had been trained to do years earlier. He read constantly, so knew many of the more up-to date techniques as well.

Ahem, well perhaps not everybody with such a medical/biological background (I'm a neurologist). Of course, general energy issues are not mainstream, in the sense we see it from the oil drum. However such an audience should be rather easily convinced (if they don't watch CNN too much). In medical training we deal a lot with some forms of energy, be it only in feeding. I think concepts of homeostasis and intersystem analysis are well understood by such people. When I discuss these issues with colleagues, most ot them understand well what I am talking about. Doctors working in hospitals or general practioners are probably already used to increasing poverty among patients.

The people less convinced are the executives from the large pharmaceutical companies.

I would agree that doctors are pretty good at understanding these things. I have discussed TOD topics with my brother, who is a psychiatrist, and he has a good understanding of what is going on. Other relatives, with more like engineering backgrounds, catch on quickly too.

I don't think the audience is really doctors. I think the audience may include a fair number of graduate students, and they should catch on reasonably well.

Well drafted. Please post the URL on the internet once delivered..

I agree that it would be best if someone - if not you - could outline some of the things that NEED to and COULD be done to at least soften the landing and transition.

Sorry to keep beating on the Climate Code Red horse but that is - on the one hand - a very sobering read, but on the other hand things are peesented that can be done to soften the blow of Global Climate Change however they are presented in the conext of we have one chance to get it it right and BAU, PAU, and TAU (thinking as usual) will NOT cut it. No more screwing around.

Seems to me to be similar here. These students can be left with some "hope" - NOT sunshine up the rear end hope - that there are things that can be done and it is (also) up to them to "lobby" that they be done if not to get them.

Pete

Its true that its a difficult subject to cover in such a short time span because of all the inter-related subjects but I hope if anyone is going to grasp the scale of the problem it will be some bright students.

Although I agree with almost every word of this, I suspect it is a bit too harsh an introduction to peak net energy.

I think it is necessary to declare at lease Peak Growth.

The economy is like a freight train. It has momentum and requires consistently increasing energy and/or efficiency gains to keep speeding it up (growth).

The energy source that got us to the party is conventional crude oil. Other forms of oil may take its place, but until proven, I would not bet my life on oil sands.

Looking at Peak Crude, disposable income and foreclosures indicates that lack of steadily increasing crude results in diminishing discretionary income and more foreclosures.

What Jpods have you folks sold? Do they work in the summer, if it gets hot outside?

Hi Gail

We have an agreement to build at the Mall of America and are working on funding. Our British friends and competitors are building at Heathrow. Backed by Korean steel company POSCO a network is opening by Vectus in Uppsala Sweden.

Based on riders per day the elevator is the most successful form of public transportation. Horizontal elevators on automated guideways was recommended by the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment as a solution to the 1973 Oil Embargo in study PB-244854. Opened in 1975, Morgantown's PRT, has delivered 110 million oil-free, injury-free passenger miles since.

Hopefully the recent EU study and New Jersey Legislature study will help.

Having the wrong idea does not mean no one will buy. Congress bought biofuels on a massive scale.

Having the right idea does not mean it is easily sold. Opening minds is sometimes a hard sell.

Once the first networks open and people experience the service of a chauffeured car with the cost of an elevator, networks will propagate.

Thanks. It is hard to get a real life model of anything new and somewhat expensive going and tested. Until this happens, no one wants to be the first one, so it is an uphill battle, especially if you don't have an interest group, like corn farmers and ethanol investors, pushing the project along.

There is a joke among people working on this, "There is an infinite number of cities that want to be first at being third."

Reading the history of the Transcontinental Railroads, there is a great comment from the Chief Engineer that no one, not even day laborers would give credit to get started. That all changed once the first miles of rail went into operation.

Innovation is brutal in a free market. It is insanely tough when you need rights of ways from regulatory monopolies.

I love the CSX ads showing they can move a ton 423 miles on a gallon of fuel. In urban transport we use a gallon of gas to move a person 18 miles. We can do better. Someday we will.

Excellent, Gail--you are a superb teacher. Clear, simple, succinct, logical. I hope they listen to you.

Yes very good Gail keep it up.

It’s great to see an enthusiastic discussion about how to improve our energy future. With the cost of gasoline predicted to reach $4.00/gallon by summer and other sources such as coal and natural gas following suit, more and more people are interested in learning about the promise of alternative energy options. Many government and industry leaders believe transitioning to a hydrogen economy will help will to reduce oil consumption and improve our environment. Later this week the NHA Annual Hydrogen C