DrumBeat: July 23, 2007
Posted by Leanan on July 23, 2007 - 9:23am
Topic: Miscellaneous
Go anywhere in America, among any class of people — from the Nascar morons to the Ivy League — and one expectation is pretty universal: that technology will only bring us more wonders and miracles, and it will certainly save-the-day where our energy problems are concerned. This would seem natural for people living in an age when a simple cassette SONY Walkman is superceded by an 80-gigabyte iPod in one generation. But what if this assumption is off? What if peak technology occurs roughly in the same wave as peak energy?Of course, another nearly universal expectation is that we will go through an orderly transition between the end of the oil fiesta and whatever comes next — implying, naturally, that some new sovereign energy resource is out there in destiny's green room, getting prepped up, waiting to be sent on-stage. The confusion about this, induced by strenuous wishing, is such that most people expect the next energy resource to consist of technology itself.
Oil falls to $77, OPEC wary of high oil prices
Oil fell towards $77 a barrel on Monday after OPEC expressed concern over near record prices and said it was prepared to pump more crude if needed.OPEC President and United Arab Emirates Energy Minister Mohammed al-Hamli said on Sunday that oil's strength was a worry but the world economy was still growing in spite of it.
$100 Oil May Be Months Away, Not Years, Say CIBC, Goldman
The $100-a-barrel oil that Goldman Sachs Group Inc. said would prevail by 2009 may be only a few months away.Jeffrey Currie, a London-based commodity analyst at the world's biggest securities firm, says $95 crude is likely this year unless OPEC unexpectedly increases production, and declining inventories are raising the chances for $100 oil. Jeff Rubin at CIBC World Markets predicts $100 a barrel as soon as next year.
Cheap natural gas about to be piped away
Colorado consumers’ long romance with cheap natural gas is about to end, thanks to an interloper by the name of REX.REX, the energy industry’s nickname for the $4.5 billion Rockies Express pipeline, will take some Rocky Mountain natural gas away from Colorado and deliver it to eager customers in the Midwest and East.
Consumers could see heating bills increase as early as this winter.
Ecuador tries novel balance of oil and environment
Under pressure to preserve the environment while at the same time ease the poverty of his people, Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa has come up with an unusual solution.Correa wants wealthy nations to pay Ecuador $350 million a year in exchange for leaving an estimated 1 billion barrels of oil under the ground in the pristine Yasuni rainforest.
How Big Is The Oil Supply Problem?
How big of a problem is the oil supply situation? The latest report from the International Energy Agency warns that the world will face an oil crunch in five years. IEA said that supply was falling faster than expected in major producing areas while consumption is accelerating thanks to strong economic growth in emerging countries.To listen to some commentators, the world faces an impending economic cataclysm over what we are told is a major reduction in the available supply of oil. To others, the currently high oil price is a response not so much to actual supply as it is an inefficiency (whether contrived or accidental) in getting oil and its by-products to retail market channels. And yet another theory is that today’s high oil price is a hidden “tax” on consumers to help pay for a long-term war effort in the Middle East (with its obvious benefits to the oil oligopoly).
British National Party: Politicians fret over wrong crisis as Peak Oil looms
In a stunning reversal of its previous dogmatic ‘business as usual’ stance, the International Energy Agency has belatedly accepted the reality of Peak Oil, and the huge impact the phenomenon is going to have on the entire world.The crucial and potentially devastating nature of the point at which humanity has used half of the world’s oil reserves - with the remaining half being overwhelmingly lower in quality, in smaller and harder to reach fields, and in less stable parts of the world – has been a BNP theme for more than five years.
Aramco resumes operations after fire
State oil company Saudi Aramco announced on Monday that operations from a fire damaged pier at their export oil terminal had resumed.Four people died and a further 12 were injured as a result of the fire on Thursday at the world’s largest offshore oil export terminal.
"The Ras Tanura North Pier is back in operation, but the two berths affected by the fire are currently not in service," Aramco said in a statement.
Bangladesh Energy: Poor Policy, Wrong Strategy
The gas sector is more than half a century old yet it does not have a exploration plan, depletion strategy, competent reservoir engineering unit. There is no agreed and authentic reservoir assessment to tell with any degree of confidence the proven, probable and possible reserve of natural gas. Some theoretician based on sketchy and motivated information creates panic off and on and misguide poor attitude and corrupt political leadership. Some opportunist business syndicate avail this confused state and fish in muddy water. This clique systematically destroyed the capacity of Petrobangla and other Petrobangla companies. Bright competent professionals wiling to serve the sector with vision, commitment and innovations were not encouraged, regular recruitment of fresh young guns were stopped. There were favoritism and parochial preference for promotion training and prized posting. Evil syndicates involved in theft and pilferage were patronized and favored. Consequently huge brain drain of competent professionals made the sector hollow. BAPEX was crippled deliberately to make the exploration and drilling segment almost barren, no initiative was taken to grow and nourish mining professionals.
Michael J. Economides: PDVSA's 'Operational Emergency'
There is something really funny that happens all the time after countries go though oil nationalizations or re-nationalizations as Venezuela is re-discovering the hard way. The path is simple. Oil is declared the national treasure that the often hated foreigners, headed by the United States, want. Controlling that oil becomes a symbol of national emancipation and assertiveness.Then reality sinks in. Oil in the ground might as well be on the moon. It takes very complicated technology to extract it. Pemex, the tightest of all national companies, has discovered it a long time ago. On the Mexican side of the Gulf of Mexico with even better reservoirs, well depths and sophistication do not come close to the ones on the US side.
Energy Summit to be held in Manitowoc
The Myths of Energy Summit will be held 8 a.m. Aug. 15 at the Holiday Inn.The Energy Summit will discuss the future of energy usage and how to help reduce energy use and costs.
The keynote speaker will be U.S. Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., who will discuss the topic of Peak Oil and what it means to our future energy needs.
Other topics will include Aldo Leopold Legacy Center Zero Energy Building presented by Tom Kubala of Kubala Washatko Architects; The State of Electricity in Wisconsin presented by Wisconsin Public Service's President Charles Schrock; Bio-Mass-Wisconsin's Diamond in the Rough presented by Judy Ziewacz, Office of Energy Independence; Energy Efficiency — The Real Money Savor presented by Stephen Heins, Orion Energy Systems vice president of corporate communications.
Cameco Problems Halt Uranium Price Decline
News announcing the facility's closure for two months ‘is expected to place significant upward pressure on the spot price,’ according to NMR editor Treva Klingbiel. She estimated a ‘minimum loss of 2,000 tU of UF6 production’ during the shutdown....Soil within the perimeter walls of the plant was reportedly contaminated with uranium and production-related chemicals. Cameco’s conversion facility is located about 60 miles east of Toronto near the Port Hope (Ontario) harbor. Cameco Fuel Services, at 1 Eldorado Place, is about one-quarter mile from the shores of Lake Ontario.
As candidate's look to Iowa, ethanol becomes top issue
As Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton climbed onto a makeshift stage at the Iowa State Fairgrounds and embraced motor fuel from corn as a key to America's future, she completed a turnabout from being an ethanol opponent, a position she held only two years ago....Political observers view her about-face as a political necessity, saying Iowa's first-in-the-nation's caucuses -- in which residents of the country's biggest corn-producing state vote their choice for presidential nominee -- makes it politically risky to avoid kneeling at the altar of ethanol-from-corn.
For decades, college kids have used stolen milk crates as the basic building blocks of coffee tables and dorm room shelves.Now, a new breed of crate rustler is cashing in by swiping thousands of the containers from loading docks and selling them to shady recyclers.
The containers are chopped into bits and shipped to booming factories in China to be made into a variety of products, from pipes to flower pots.
...The crates are made of petroleum-based plastic that has increased in value along with gasoline prices. The material now sells for 22 cents a pound, compared to 7 cents a pound in 2005, said Patty Moore, a recycling consultant in Sonoma.
Claude Mandil: Industry Can Substantially Save Energy And Reduce CO2 Emissions
Have you noticed odd changes in the behaviour of your friends and family, such as shunning car purchases in lieu of public transportation and taking action to move to a smaller residence? Probably not. Generally, rising incomes translate into demand for bigger homes and more powerful and larger cars. This poses a problem, since it produces direct emissions from consumer use as well as indirect CO2 emissions.
China June crude oil output up 2.5 pct yr-on-yr at 15.72 mln tons
China's June crude oil output rose 2.5 pct year-on-year to 15.72 mln tons, the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) said.China produced 5.06 mln tons of gasoline, 10.69 mln tons of diesel and 1.0 mln tons of kerosene in June, up 12.9 pct, 11.2 pct and 26 pct respectively, the NBS said.
North Dakota: Gas crunch not likely to end soon
The fuel situation remains tight in North Dakota and the crunch isn't likely to end any time soon.
Western Slope's study on oil shale delayed
The long-awaited tome of fine print outlining the breadth and depth of future commercial oil shale development and its effect on the Western Slope’s water, economy and environment is experiencing more delays.The Bureau of Land Management told state officials the draft commercial oil shale programmatic environmental impact statement, or PEIS, is slated for release Aug. 7, Assistant Colorado Department of Natural Resources Director Mike King said Monday.
But that date will be pushed back, BLM Washington spokeswoman Heather Feeney said.
Gov. Brian Schweitzer's Big Idea - to build plants to turn coal into liquid fuel, thus reducing dependence on foreign oil while taking advantage of our coal resources before they are made obsolete by cleaner energy sources - is taking a big beating these days.The concept, the subject of much recent congressional debate, has a couple of main problems. One is that the huge incentives involved are seen by many as a reckless boondoggle for the coal industry. The second is the fear that carbon dioxide pollution from the process may not be controllable either economically or practically.
New Zealand: Ready and waiting for the oil boom
The arrival of oil and gas prospectors in the deep south has raised hopes of an energy boom for the Mainland.
UK: Government is failing on energy saving
The Government has been threatened with legal action for its failure to promote energy saving in millions of homes as required by an Act passed in 2000.
Taiwan opts for coal-fired power plants
Power demand rose to a record in Taiwan last week, and the country said it would favor plans for coal-fired stations when it awarded permits to build new capacity next year because coal plants are cheaper to run and easier to supply than plants fueled by gas.
Spain Takes Steps to Curb Energy Consumption
Spanish ministers have approved a batch of urgent measures to curb energy consumption and slow the growth of greenhouse gas emissions, ministers said on Friday.The central government will set an example by reducing energy consumption in its own buildings, with a goal of saving at least 9 percent by 2012 and 20 percent by 2016.
New insights on the Soviet Union's collapse
Crude oil prices last week were flirting with a record high. It's great news – for the Russians.Low oil prices contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991. In Russia today, high oil and natural gas prices are, to a large degree, the reason for an economic boom.
Welcome to Richistan, USA: The American Dream of riches for all is turning into a nightmare of inequality - but a backlash is brewing
It was the same in the late 19th century when the original Gilded Age of conspicuous wealth and deep poverty was spawned by railways and the industrial age. At the same time government has helped by doling out corporate tax breaks. In the Fifties the proportion of federal income from company taxes was 33 per cent, by 2003 it was just 7.4 percent. Some 82 of America's largest companies paid no tax at all in at least one of the first three years of the administration of President George W Bush.
Russia and US to Square Off Over Energy Reserves
Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President George W. Bush spent most of their time at the “lobster summit” at Kennebunkport, Maine, discussing how to prevent the growing tensions between their two countries from getting out of hand.
Q&A: ConocoPhillips' chief talks about meeting the demand
What's different now, as we are in 2007, is we don't see necessarily the cycles of the past. It could happen, but we see the demand for energy continues to increase with the population and the development of economies. Our question is: 'Where is all the energy going to be coming from?' It makes all the sense in the world to us to encourage conservation and more efficient use of energy because if we use less, that's the same thing as adding supply. And if we use less energy, it certainly helps with respect to climate change and greenhouse gas emissions.
David Strahan: Climate criminals
Mountaineers are a special class of climate criminal. We clearly have a particular moral duty to protect the icy landscapes we enjoy, and most of us like to think of ourselves as environmentally responsible. But the reality is rather different. When it comes to flying, just like the hordes heading off to the beaches of Magaluf, we remain in stubborn denial about the damage our emissions cause, and carry on regardless.In a recent three page article for The Independent entitled ‘The Melting Mountains’, Joe Simpson bemoaned the destruction of classic routes in the Alps from melting ice and massive rockfalls, without a single mention of his own airmiles, still less the helicopter fuel used to haul him off the Dru. At a meeting of the Alpine Club last summer, one speaker regaled us with stories from a lifetime of expeditions and slides showing evidence of glacial retreat, without once making the connection.
The crisis presented by global warming demands a response that is simple, comprehensive and effective. A tax on carbon consumption is the only response in sight that both discourages the production of emissions that cause global warming, and finances the rapid transition to a post-carbon economy.
Climate change fears reach even Formula One racing
Talking about climate change at a Formula One race might at first glance seem like praising celibacy in a brothel.The world's top motor sport competition is for many the epitome of gas-guzzling wastefulness with powerful engines burning nearly a liter of fossil fuel per kilometer while a vast entourage of people and machines jets to races round the world.
But green winds of change are blowing through one of the world's most popular sports, and a growing number of team bosses say they want to make Formula One a high-tech pioneer and leader in fighting climate change rather than a whipping post.
Floods force many to face climate change reality
"It would be wrong to deny the possible impact of climate change on flooding because if we (waited for more) statistical proof it may be too late," said Wolfgang Grabs at the World Meteorological Organisation of the United Nations.



How many of you have checked out the prospective YouTube videos for tonights "debate"? In among the rather (copious) marginal issue videos (e.g., "full disclosure" about Area 51) and the large block submitted via teacher's unions, there are some good ones about peak oil and alternative energy.
So... what is the probability that CNN will pick one of the PO/energy questions for airing? Anyone giving odds?
I posted a peak oil question!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh0bt6TdVfk
www.baratunde.com
comedian, author, vigilante pundit
Concisely done, I hope it is picked. There was another one that was very clear about PO and well done. Plus, there were a couple of good ones on ethanol also.
I thought that the energy question videos were among the best executed out of the whole lot, and furthermore it is a topic that is actually policy-centric so candidates may find it answerable.
like yoda said, "there is another"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-iKzACjqw
very well done
www.baratunde.com/blog
comedian, author, vigilante pundit
Unfortunately neither your video or the others on oil were selected by Mr. Cooper - or perhaps they didn't make through the first screening process at CNN for some reason. That's too bad; at least there was one direct question on nuclear power.
If any billionaires are in fact reading TOD, I suggest you call up Ted (or a friend that knows him) and Sergey&Larry (or a friend that knows them) and say that this question must be asked of the Democratic (oops, I mean, it's too late now--maybe for the Elephants?) candidates for President during this "historic" debate.
Of course, there are Doomers here who will reply why even try, it doesn't matter--there is no hope--which is ironic that they would actually care to chime in with a comment like that, you know? Reductio ad absurdum? But you see it around a lot. That's in part the spirit of the origin of the term, and incidentally, of the time. Sure, I like Schopenhauer too, but keep it to yourself. You know who you are... And the smart uber-Doomers don't drone on all day long, because they understand absurdity--they're smart. They keep to the facts and keep to themselves their bleak views of global thermonuclear war or whatever other doomer porn may satisfy their hearts' desire in the private confines of their own creatively pessimistic minds. The smart ones don't flog around "aghh screw everything", as I said, they stick to the facts, which are more than abundant (unlike something else we all know about...) There can never be enough Doomer Porn. =] I suggest slapping that on the masthead once these comment threads get to 1000 a day when oil is approaching $100... And we think we have it tough? When Drumbeat is 2000 comments a day in 2013 we will pray for the tranquil serenity of '07 comment threads. Question is: will Leanan be willing to do the Drumbeat for another six years?
Politics is a charade, but at least it could be a charade where for once they discuss the root of America: oil. And do it in scintillating in-depth sound bites (yes, an oxymoron, don't worry) trying to best each other for the reins of a republic (or empire depending on who you ask, or what you think) that is in disarray--a bloody foreign war/occupation, the military hemorrhaging young men and women, no end in sight--and all for what? Yes, oil. I hear the hecklers in the background now, as Billy Falafel O would say, shut up, we all know it's about oil. Yeah, yeah be quiet, of course we aren't stealing their oil, we're just "securing the region" with "full spectrum dominance"--check out the borders buddy. Look at your nearest world map. Go shake OPECs hand. Get back to me, I've gotta go golfing in Jackson Hole with Dick Cheney now...
Why even try? It doesn't matter.
There is no hope.
Hahah. Nice one. I usually don't respond with one-liners like this, but I'm tired and about to catch some shut-eye and I couldn't resist typing "Hahah" and then clicking "edit" to add this superfluous explanation in order to not feel guilty over merely typing the banal "Hahah" (which is far superior to the puerile "lol").
LOL
How dare you insult interweb speak!
"You can never solve a problem on the level on which it was created."
Albert Einstein
You and I have exchanged private emails on this and other topics. I don't think there are many "doomers" who would tell you not to try but there are lots of us who would tell you not to get pissed off when they ignore you.
I wish you the best of luck in your crusade, mr f, so please be sure to keep me posted how it turns out. ;) You'll have to excuse me if I am not as enthusiastic for such activities as you are. I've run the political gauntlet numerous times before for other issues and am pretty aware of how it works.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Dr. Albert Bartlett
Into the Grey Zone
GreyZone,
Not so much a crusade, more like a pastime, like following baseball. I hear you on the political gauntlet ---> mincemeat clause... I don't mind being ignored, and I don't get pissed off when it happens either (at least not for very long!) I learn a lot reading here about the subjects at hand, and I enjoy blurting out whatever I think in response to TOD stimuli (that's what all this "blogging" is for, after all.)
Like I mentioned before, TOD is a fascinating microcosm of human nature. For that reason alone, if no other aside from the excellent statistical analysis and summaries--I believe it to be an invaluable resource.
Wow! 462 comments!!! Woohooo!!!!
I have had an epiphany.
We are all saved. Do not worry. Technobear, a very cuddly bear, will save everything!!
Wooohooo!!
Don't worry!!! Infinite World is POSSIBLE!!!!
Be HAPPY!!!!
There is enough for thousands of years!!! Don't forget ZERO POINT ENERGY!!!! See!!! We have plenty!!!!!
Gosh gee golly willickers!! I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER!!!
See, you gloomy woomy shoomy gosh bewillickering silly ole doomy doomers!! We are all just basking in the sweetness and light!!!
Oh, cornucopia, oh sweet nectar. Oh innumerate bliss of the unwashed masses. We need no scientific hoohaaaa!!! We can just throw ourselves down like children before the television, our chins on our hands, waiting to hear the absolute truth from the anointed ones who speak in quiet tones and tell us, "Look children, sweet technology!!!!!!"
Yes, I am convinced. It must have been your cogent arguments, your impressive intellect, perhaps your invariant application of rather smallish words grouped in what some call "childish attempts at satire" but which I call the SMARTEST DAMNED ARGUMENT EVER PUT FORTH!!
Yes, you, you my amazingly erudite friend, my brilliant child prodigy, my sweet, sweet stoker of the truth, stokin' stokin' ever stokin' that truth, purveyor of tasty cherries of knowledge (pronounced in honor of you, kah-nowledge), I finally bow to your ever potent, ever erect, ever pointed and superior ego.
Yes. I accept defeat.
Now. Where is my flying car?
We're backed up on the flying cars, but we're fully stocked on "ever potent, ever erect, ever pointed and superior ego[s]".
What scent would you like with that? I'm guessing nectar, but one never knows...
[Edit: Maybe because it is past my bedtime I forgot to mention that technobear will be out for the week sick. I hope you can understand that this is why the flying cars are giving us such immense problems. They simply don't want to fly without technobear...]
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What you didn't get the memo? July 23 is autobiography day here on TOD.
| The problem will solve itself.
| But not in a nice way.
Those memos are sneaky. I have doubts that anyone reads them at all (I've even seen some use them as dart targets.)
That reminds me, I have to finish The Life of Henry Brulard.
I'm not sure why the return to railroads that Kunstler advocates wouldn't be a form of "technology saving us" that he excoriates. I feel like some adjective is missing before what he calls "technology". Energy-intensive? But that just makes the argument tautological.
I think he means NEW technology. Technology that hasn't been discovered yet. Like oil that hasn't been produced yet, if technology hasn't been discovered yet, there's usually a good reason.
New as in unknown or new as in unimplemented?
I know a lot of people driving SUVs who are cognizant of the likelihood that gasoline prices will continue rising. However, they seem to think that they can simply get some 'technology' installed that will up their mileage and keep them breaking even. That or trade in for an SUV with the 'technology' already installed. I see very little critical thought in this area.
[sarcasm]
All you have to do is attach rare-earth magnets to the fuel line, it reconfigures the molecular structure of the fuel and gives it more energy.
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Sounds like a business plan to me! ;)
Remember to send the stuff fedex, so it's not mail fraud!Bob Ebersole
Actually there is a temporary way to keep it going. The 6 stroke diesel engine. part internal combustion part steam engine. very cleaver indeed...
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060227/FREE/3022700...
Delusional, water injection has been around since at least WW2. I read your link. There were no diagrams but as far as I can tell Crower has done nothing that has not been done already. Of course, Crower used the usual disclaimer 'engine has not yet been run against load on a dyno.'
Using water injection on take off with a high performance radial engine will allow higher turbo boost pressures without the normally associated higher cylinder head temperatures. Water will also allow the engine to be run with more mag or distributor advance for more hp, and the water will allow higher compression ratios with lower grades of fuel because water is loathe to compress. The use of water injection was all but done away with by the end of WW2 because of the associated problems that water in the cylinders causes over time. I was on a flight crew in the Navy and we used the purple 115/145 octane aviation fuel without water injection to run our turbo charged 32 cylinder engines with power recovery turbines to power all the generators and alternators. I noticed that Crower said he wanted to switch from regular tap water to distilled water to prevent build up of (mostly calcium) in the engine. If he does that then he will be using some very corrosive stuff...distilled water. One reason the military got away from water injection was if an engine sits without running for a week with water residue in the cylinders then (depending on weather conditions and ambient air temps) the rings will stick in their grooves, the valves will stick in their guides, and the spark plugs will need changing because their electodes will rust...FUBAR. Sounds like Crower is bored and doesnt like to read about what has already been tried and discarded for good reason. Perhaps he should work on something to replace sleigh runners?
water injection has been around since at least WW2.
And its mentioned in the 1970's vitage 'how to extend your gas mileage' book(s) I have around here somewhere....
There are a number of serious problems with that concept engine, including:
It wouldn't be all that hard to separate the diesel and steam sections, even using the engine coolant (perhaps an oil of some sort) to heat a low-pressure boiler. But the gains would not be terribly impressive, and the difficulties of freezing and the like would make the engineering very difficult for the improvements you could eke out.
Maybe UTC's organic vapor turbine is a better model than steam.
This is a 6 stroke engine not a traditional water injected engine. In a water injected engine water is introduced along with the fuel for combustion thus moderating it's properties.
In the six stroke after the traditional exhaust stroke there is another injection stroke where water is introduced into the hot cylinder (with Crower by using the injectors that would have forced in the diesel).
This creates a steam expansion stroke which is followed by a steam exhaust stroke and then followed by the normal (fuel/air) intake stroke. Six strokes not four with the cam running at 1/3 engine speed instead of 1/2. (extra set of cam lobe ramps for the 2 add. cycles)
Crower has been grinding racing and mileage cams for years and so has the know how to do the engine and head mods. (He was nice enough to talk to me on the phone once when there was no body else to answer my cam question and that impressed me)
I have seen this arraingement touted before. I can't tell ,in theory, why it would not yield more heat energy based on nearly eliminating the loss from a conventional cooling system.
The 6-stroke engine will certainly convert more energy to work, but you have issues:
A better comparison is to a conventional bottoming-cycle steam engine (boiler heated by exhaust) or an organic vapor turbine. An OVT might be able to use the cooling jacket heat as well as the exhaust heat, and either could probably get more energy out than Crowther's system (which can only use the heat stored in the combustion chamber walls to make steam).
The high fuel price causing them to trade in their vehicle will be the same high fuel price that crushes their vehicle's resale value. They are in for a doulbe [unpleasant] surprise.
"I think he means NEW technology. Technology that hasn't been discovered yet . . ."
I'm not sure the distinction is really between new and old technology, although that model would work in most situations. I see two possible distinctions between types of technology that Kunstler refers to. One distinction is between technology that would require a lifestyle change, such as rail or bicycle, vs. technology that doesn't (continue to use cars but fueled by something else). The other distinction is between technology that obeys the laws of thermodynamics and "technology" that does not (which I think should actually be called "magic"). I don't mention the second one the be facetious, but because in the minds of alot of people, technology isn't bound by the laws of physics, mainly because they are only vaguely aware of these laws. It would be interesting to go around telling people that scientists are working on flying cars that will be powered by only a AAA battery and see how many people believe it would be possible.
Re: flying cars
Wait! Hang on there, fella'. Do you mean to tell me that flying cars running on AAA batteries are just a dream I had?
Excrement! I'm so disaaaaapoiiiiinted...
I gotta get me one of dem!
Yeee Haaaw!
Clarke's third law, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" may, it seems, have a corollary: "Any sufficiently foolish culture is unable to distinguish advanced technology from magic".
For to those who use but do not understand science and technology, technology is simply magic by another name. Peak oil is, at bottom, telling people the magic is going away.
They say every time a child stops believing, a fairy dies.
LOL :)
"You can never solve a problem on the level on which it was created."
Albert Einstein
"if technology hasn't been discovered yet, there's usually a good reason"
That is actually the first non-sensical thing I've read from you. Or maybe, if it accurately represents Kunstler's idea, he should get the credit.