DrumBeat: July 30, 2007

Saudi to add half-million bpd to output capacity

State oil giant Saudi Aramco said Monday that it expects to add half-a-million barrels per day (bpd) of crude to its maximum production capacity of 10.8 million bpd next December.

"Saudi Aramco's maximum sustainable production capacity is 10.8 million bpd," the company said in a statement on a midyear meeting of the executive committee of its board of directors in Vienna.

"The grassroots Khursaniyah Crude Increment is expected to be in operation in December 2007, with a capacity of 500,000 barrels per day of Arabian Light Crude blend from the Abu Hadriya, Fadhili, and Khursaniyah fields" in the oil-rich Eastern Province, it said.

Oil Prices at $70-80 a Barrel

The price of North Sea Brent has risen from $50 a barrel at the beginning of the year and recently crossed the record price threshold that was set last summer, during the Israeli war against Lebanon, namely $78 a barrel. It began to approach, for the first time, the level of $80, then fell to around $70.

What is behind this high level of prices?


Energy debate moves to House

Debate on a broad range of energy proposals is set to begin in the House of Representatives this week, a month after the Senate passed a big increase in vehicle efficiency standards.

Whether the House will vote on its own fuel efficiency standards is unclear, and will be perhaps the most watched item in the legislation.


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OPEC chief: Oil $7 over value

Current oil prices are inflated by around $7 per barrel because of concerns about supply security, OPEC's Secretary-General Abdullah al-Badri was reported as saying in a newspaper interview on Monday.

...Badri said Western concerns about possible production bottlenecks due to political instability in oil-producing countries were overdone and OPEC had scope to increase production if necessary.

"There are such concerns, but in our view they are exaggerated," he told WirtschaftsBlatt. "There is much talk about production bottlenecks - but in reality we have free capacities of around 3.5 million barrels per day."

"We can activate this cushion any day."

...He said OPEC did not plan to reintroduce an official price band for oil, but added: "I believe I can say that we feel comfortable if the oil price doesn't fall below $50. A price above $80 wouldn't please us either."


A revolutionary report on the future of oil

In the debate over oil supplies, July 2007 may be seen as a turning point. The International Energy Agency, a body set up to advise OECD nations on energy supply and security, broke with its previous optimistic projections of world oil supply and threw the future of oil into doubt. The IEA’s recently released “Medium-Term Oil Market Report” (PDF 1.87MB) reads like a summary of peak oil concerns made acceptable for the ears of government by occasional disclaimers to the contrary. However, its central declaration is clear:

Despite four years of high oil prices, this report sees increasing market tightness beyond 2010, with OPEC spare capacity declining to minimal levels by 2012 … It is possible that the supply crunch could be deferred [by decreased demand growth] - but not by much.


Rise in diesel consumption sparks concerns in Algeria

As Algeria's diesel consumption overtakes domestic production, the Algerian government looks for ways to reduce losses from the fuel's falling exports and rising imports.


Turkey: Water shortage warning in electricity dams

With the air conditioners boosting the usage of electricity, hydroelectric power plants are being used in addition to natural gas and coal; therefore, the water level in the dams has decreased from 80% to 52% in 2.5 months. Electricity usage has risen up to 606 million kw/h, and all plans are being shaken.


Bombings in Mexico — A Sign of Upcoming Unrest?

The way this guerrilla force reappeared represents a qualitative leap in their strategy, and in the focus of their objectives of not only making the country more violent but towards the destabilization of Mexico and its institutions as well. In the media, the government has sought to minimize the attacks and damages by playing them down, but its media strategy and other actions taken in the fight against insecurity have not had the expected results. As a result, the situation in Mexico is becoming more complex and difficult day by day.

And these elements, along with others, could be the first symptoms of a future social explosion.


The Real Reason Why Gasoline Costs More If you want to know why gasoline and everything made from oil is going to cost more in the years ahead, I give you, ladies and gentlemen, Hugo Chavez, dictator of Venezuela, and a number of other nations who have engaged in extortion.


Gas-station owners' profits hinge on thirsty customers

Convenience-store owner David Malik earns about as much on a can of Coke as he does on a typical 10-gallon purchase of gas.

Malik's gross profit on gasoline is roughly 3 cents a gallon after paying for supplies and credit-card fees, but he earns 30 cents on the soft drink.

And when trouble in a faraway oil-producing nation spikes energy prices, his profits here are squeezed even more.


Long green seen in algae in city lakes

Biodiesel is a liquid fuel equivalent of regular diesel, except that it is made from sources such as vegetable oil instead of petroleum. Currently, biodiesel comes mostly from soybeans, canola oil and waste oils from restaurant kitchens. While these sources are adequate for now, experts agree they could not support any transition to green fuel on a large scale.

This has led to a search for "second generation" biofuels which might meet a larger percentage of our demand.

"Algae has serious potential," said Kenneth Walz, a chemistry instructor at Madison Area Technical College who teaches a course on biodiesel, "because compared to the current agricultural crops we use, algae can produce magnitudes more oil per acre."


The mirage of nuclear power

Since the 1950s, the nuclear industry has promised energy "too cheap to meter," inherently safe reactors and immediate clean-up and storage of hazardous waste. But nuclear power is hardly cheap -- and far more dangerous than wind, solar and other forms of power generation. Recent French experience shows a reactor will top $3 billion to build. Standard construction techniques have not stemmed rising costs or shortened lead time. Industry spokespeople insist they can erect components in assembly-line fashion a la Henry Ford to hold prices down. But the one effort to achieve this end, the Russian "Atommash" reactor factory, literally collapsed into the muck.

The industry has also underestimated how expensive it will be to operate stations safely against terrorist threat and accident. New reactors will require vast exclusion zones, doubly reinforced containment structures, the employment of large armed private security forces and fail-safe electronic safeguards. How will all of these and other costs be paid and by whom?


Cameco Quarterly Net Reaches Record on Uranium Price

Cameco Corp., the world's largest uranium producer, said second-quarter profit rose 36 percent to a record on increased shipments of the raw material used in nuclear-reactor fuel.


Israel - An armed force or a trade union?

The announcements by the Israel Electric Company that the heat wave had pushed the national power grid to maximum capacity and that any technical failure would lead to blackouts around the country, was almost the mirror image of the IDF's protestations that it needed another NIS 7 billion to ensure it was prepared for the next war.


Transmeridian Exploration: Attractive E&P Player From Kazakhstan

Kazakhstan is located at a central intersection between Europe, India, and China. India and China are massive importers of oil, which should continue to rise at a steady 2-3% rate over the next decade. Matthew Simmons, an energy investment banker and a former adviser to US president George W. Bush believes that oil production in Saudi Arabia will soon peak, meaning it will not be able to supply the world's growing energy needs. Someone must step in. To add to that point, Kazakhstan is expected to be come the fifth largest exporter of oil over the next decade. In this case, the top five would likely be Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Russia, Iran, and Kazakhstan. That will put Kazakhstan in front of Kuwait, Iraq, Nigeria, and all other major oil exporting countries.


Iraq Now As I See It

If the American empire is to continue it will have to maintain control of the other oil riches of the Middle East. These are the crown jewels of the empire, and with peak oil here or coming soon, control of that oil will be essential to world domination. But the United States will have a hard time maintaining control of the rest of the Middle East when it withdraws from Iraq. Iraqi bases were meant to substitute for bases in Saudi Arabia when the Saudis objected to bases so close to their holy sites. So where will the United States put the bases now?


Climate change rage a lot of hot air?

A survey by the Public Policy Institute of California shows most residents think dirty air from cars is helping foster disasters such as drought and hurting their health through ailments such as asthma.

They want immediate action from government officials and presidential candidates with strong environmental protection stands. They support current attempts to lower greenhouse gas emissions from autos.

...But the poll released last week also found two-thirds of workers put up with pain at the gasoline pump so they can drive solo to jobs — a fourth in SUVs.


Economists Find Current Biofuel Potential In Oregon May Be Costly And Limited

The adoption of biofuels in Oregon could reduce the state's fossil fuel use by less than one percent, but at a much higher cost to society than more direct approaches such as a gasoline tax or raising fuel economy standards. That is the conclusion of a study published by the Oregon State University Extension Service.


'Sustainable' parking: A 21st-century oxymoron?

The automobile may do us in eventually, but for now we are content to ignore all that. The Europeans have responded differently, but they were never as dependent on cars as North Americans. Furthermore, land is at a premium in Europe, which means the appeal, not to mention the practicality, of sprawl is not as great.


Review: Stop the Madhouse!

“Peak Oil” is a useful hoax, based on a 51-year-old theory by Dr. M. King Hubbert, perpetuated by the oil multinationals and petrol juntas — What! (Hold that objection).

Among other official fictions like “WMD,” Palast shows that all that sloganeering about spreading democracy in Iraq was just happy talk and hot air to sell the ill-fated invasion to a frightened, vengeful and patriotic post-9/11 public.

We’re in Mesopotamia and we’re staying in Mess-o-potamia, regardless of the invasion’s horrific costs and abject failures, to make sure Iraq’s oil is not privatized and over-produced. We are there, Palast says, not to open up the spikot but to protect OPEC quotas and the House of Saud’s price-fix racket.


The New World Order: The Bilderberg plan -- control oil, control people (Part 23)

There are arguments from both sides of the oil issue: either we are quickly running out of oil or we have adequate oil to meet our requirements for generations. Both sides offer evidence, witnesses, experts and documentation to validate their assertions. Some peak-oil projects, funded by oil companies, are highly suspect. The very credible Lindsey Williams maintains that the North Slope in Alaska has as much crude oil as Saudi Arabia. Governor Frank H. Murkowski said in 2005 that there is enough oil on the North Slope to supply the entire United States for 200 years. Antony Sutton, author of Energy, the Created Crisis, is adamant that we have sufficient oil. Conversely, I have read reports which support the peak oil theory. I personally believe, after research, that "there is enough and to spare." Doom and gloom, Chicken Little oil scarcity claims have been propagated from the beginning. A scarcity, authentic or manufactured, of any crucial commodity accomplishes the following...


Global warming doubles number of hurricanes, study finds

Global warming's effect on wind patterns and sea temperatures have nearly doubled the number of hurricanes a year in the Atlantic Ocean over the past century, says a new study by US scientists.


OPEC not expected to discuss output change: Iran

Iran does not expect OPEC to discuss changing output levels at its next regular meeting in Vienna in September, Oil Minister Kazem Vaziri-Hamaneh was quoted as saying on Sunday.

"Crude oil price fluctuations are related to geopolitical issues and a shortage of gasoline in America, and I do not imagine that, at its next regular annual meeting, OPEC would put the issue of changing its output level on the agenda," he was quoted as saying by the Iranian oil ministry's Web site Shana.


Gasoline prices fall 17 cents over two weeks

U.S. average retail gasoline prices fell 17 cents per gallon over the past two weeks as Midwest refiners recovered from recent difficulties and produced more gas, an industry analyst reported Sunday.


Esso reckons 20 more years of oil left in Bass Strait

SUCCESS in life extension work by Bass Strait operator Esso has prompted the ExxonMobil subsidiary to predict that the region still has more than 20 years left of oil production and more than 30 years of gas.

A $400 million seismic data and infill drilling program, involving wells at the Kingfish, Bream, Halibut and Fortescue fields, is adding 30,000 barrels of crude oil to daily production, worth close to $1 billion a year on current prices.

But Esso's success has implications for the planned $5 billion Monash Energy coal-to-liquids project in the Latrobe Valley, a joint venture between Shell and Anglo American.


German Hard-Coal Production to Cease by 2018

About a half-mile under the Earth's surface here, dozens of soot-faced miners scrape coal from some of the richest seams in the world, just as their forebears had done for generations. Conveyor belts funnel the shiny black rock through crushing machines and up to the surface, where it helps to power the globe's third-biggest economy.

Germany's 500-year-old tradition of hard-coal mining, however, is dying out. With domestic coal long unprofitable because of cheap imports from Africa and Asia, the German government this year decided to gradually withdraw expensive subsidies that have kept its mines open for nearly a half-century.


Chavez accuses former oil officials

President Hugo Chavez on Sunday accused former Venezuelan officials of allowing foreign oil companies to "rob" Venezuela's immense petroleum wealth, saying they should be charged with crimes.


Taming Iran and Russia through Europe's pocketbook

Not only has Bush destroyed Iran's most formidable enemy and bogged down U.S. troops in a hopeless cause, he also has enriched energy-abundant Iran and Russia by pursuing a war that has dramatically raised energy prices. High crude oil prices make it easier for Iran to build nuclear weapons and for Russia to use energy blackmail to threaten Europe.

But Europe can fight back. By imposing a stiff tax on energy consumption, Europeans would reduce both consumption of energy and its price in world markets, in turn cutting the flow of funds to Russia and Iran.


Saudi Arabia to focus on renewable energy

A multimillion-riyal world-class research centre for renewable energy has been set up at the Dhahran-based King Fahd University of Petroleum and Minerals (KFUPM).

The aim of the research centre is to help the country play the role of world energy leader for years to come. The centre is currently working on resource mobilisation before its premier research activities kick off in a year’s time.


Trinidad and Tobago: Peak oil - expensive food

We have to grow more food. Our experience with steel down-streamers suggests that the production of fertilisers by foreign direct investors in T&T will not mean cheaper fertilisers to local farmers. T&T will have no alternative but to follow in Cuba's footsteps and develop an agricultural industry that moves progressively away from energy intensive techniques into small family lots and co-ops.


Building Circles of Community: 'Lone Rangers' Cannot Survive Collapse

In facing collapse it is important to develop skills that will be useful in navigating it. We hear a great deal about learning permaculture, organic gardening, woodworking, composting, catching rainwater, and utilizing alternative energy sources, but the two skills without which communities cannot be created or sustained, deep listening and compassionate truthtelling, are rarely discussed.

As I have stated repeatedly, I do not know how collapse will play out. It may culminate in instantaneous nuclear annihilation, sudden economic devastation, or some other form of civilization plunging blatantly off a cliff. It may also unfold more slowly with consequences equally as dire. Therefore, it is important not to embrace the illusion that skills provide magic bullets of survival. Who knows who if any of us will survive no matter what we know or have experienced?


Global warming blamed as China endures freak weather

Global warming was under a fierce spotlight in China on Monday as forecasters said Shanghai was set for its hottest summer on record, while flood and drought wreaked havoc in other parts of the country.

A new Round-Up has been posted at TOD:Canada.

A rash of bankruptcies at subprime lenders prompted a market wobble in February and March but traders swiftly decided the problem was contained. Equity markets across the world continued to rally, while the credit market remained phenomenally high in historical terms, thanks in large part to the growth of credit derivatives. These prompted optimism that it had become easier to spread risk and so it was justifiable that even the riskiest companies could obtain credit cheaply.

That mood of optimism is over. Fear now rules the credit markets, where the effective cost of ensuring against a default, in both Europe and the US, has increased by more than half in barely a month. A steady drip of bad news has prompted fears that the subprime debacle could trigger a credit crunch, raising the cost of financing worldwide as investors are forced to sell healthy investments to make good their losses....

....Rather than an orderly correction, they confront a situation where the market for riskier forms of credit seems to have come to a complete halt. US issuance of high-yield, or low-quality, debt stayed below $1bn for the third successive week, according to Thomson Financial. The last week of June brought $9.7bn of high-yield issuance; by last week that had fallen to $322m. This financing is crucial for private equity deals.

"The cancellation of high-yield deals and the inability of the large banks to syndicate their leveraged loans is causing the credit markets to shut down," says T. J. Marta, strategist at RBC Capital Markets. "Something has to give here: either equities have to give it up or credit is going to implode."

One could also argue that the collapse of the housing market will help the market. People who otherwise would invest in the real estate will invest in the market instead, its a valid theory.

The decline of US housing is good for peak oil mitigation in my view. i.e. The last thing we need to be doing right now is building infrastructure that is obviously unsuited for a post peak world.

A recession would be good too. They almost always lead to decreased oil consumption in the US and they tend to wake people up to the fact that living at the bleeding edge of your income is a recipe for pain. Recessions also force people to work less overall, which is good too, because production consumes limited resources just like consumption does.

All in all, perhaps one of the better possible cases going forward is a normal recession in the OECD with persistently high crude prices. That combo has brought welcome changes in the past.

Unless like me you've just found yourself in a potential job hole and you are suddenly hoping ANY temporary respite is good to buy some time... cos if you fall now - there is no waiting it out... it goes from bad to worse around here....

Woohoo! I could become a peak oil casualty (okay not so good for the wife & kids though)
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Noting the top article about hurricanes, you may have the first legit system coming together in the central Atlantic. Here is a picture from the floater. A long way to go before it would be a storm, a lot of dry air out there. Still something to watch.

Here is a link to a PDF from the authors cited in the newstory:

http://www.ncar.ucar.edu/research/assets/Holland_AMS_Jan_2007.pdf

It is featured on the NCAR website so I assume it is the one referred to in the news story. According to the presentation, the majority of the work done was to establish an understanding of past observations - given that satellites are relative recent as observational tools. Given that, the authors claim that there is indeed a relationship between Atlantic SST and hurricane frequency.

Oh, and there is a better (than Yahoo) synopsis of this work here:
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn12377-tropical-storms-step...

The local weather person pointed this out Sunday evening and used an adjective similar to "likely" or "quite possibly" to develop into a tropical depression.

Best Hopes for upper level shear in the Gulf of Mexico,

Alan

Just to keep you thinking check out the second one

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1130 AM EDT MON JUL 30 2007

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH A LOW PRESSURE AREA
CENTERED ABOUT 175 MILES WEST-NORTHWEST OF BERMUDA HAS BECOME
BETTER ORGANIZED THIS MORNING. ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS ARE ONLY
MARGINALLY FAVORABLE FOR SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER...THE
SYSTEM COULD BECOME A TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL CYCLONE BEFORE
MERGING WITH A FRONTAL BOUNDARY IN A COUPLE OF DAYS AS IT MOVES
NORTHEASTWARD AROUND 15 MPH.

AN AREA OF CLOUDINESS AND SHOWERS LOCATED ABOUT 950 MILES EAST OF
THE SOUTHERN WINDWARD ISLANDS IS ASSOCIATED WITH A WESTWARD-MOVING
TROPICAL WAVE. THIS AREA SHOWS SIGNS OF ORGANIZATION...AND SOME
SLOW DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SYSTEM IS POSSIBLE DURING THE NEXT COUPLE
OF DAYS.

Here is the tracks. Still kind of meaningless at this point.

And there's another Typhoon that should threaten Japan in 4-5 days. Not what they need right now!

http://typhoon.yahoo.co.jp/weather/jp/typhoon/typha.html (it appears to be deepening, was 980hpa last night)

Kyuushuu has had amazing amounts of rainfall this year.

It has been said that Global Warming and Climate Change can cause in increase in the severity and strength of hurricanes, now we have this evidence of the increase in frequency. This is too big a topic with too large a downside risk to ignore. We need to reduce our use of fossil fuels anyway for a lot of reasons, here is yet another good reason to get on with doing what we need to do. Let us not put it off even one more day.

Another place of unimaginable beauty is also showing effects from GW http://news.aol.com/story/_a/mighty-lake-superior-mystifies/200707291346... or as some in the article surmise is it really GWB?

OFF TOPIC

See what TOD CAN look like

Sunday, the crew came around my block and advised everyone that they would be filming the new Fox Series "K-Town" (a New Orleans Police drama) this Tuesday. And just my block, so we should be the focus.

I will give details later as I know them for the curious.

Best Hopes for accuracy in media (fat chance I know),

Alan

Maybe you should audition to be the street-wise informant, or at least the streetcar-wise informant.

TOD CAN - The Oil Drum: Canada?

See what Transit Oriented Development can look like.

That was my first thought too... i was confused...
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Man Rows to Work, Leaving Car Behind
By SARAH KARUSH (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 30, 2007 2:11 AM EDT

Gabriel Horchler used to be among the frustrated souls on the frequently backed-up Anacostia Freeway, navigating his motorcycle through stop-and-go traffic and clouds of car exhaust.

But one day the Anacostia River - congestion-free and running parallel to the road - grabbed his imagination. Would it be possible to get to his job in Washington on the water, he wondered? Could the daily grind of commuting be transformed into something enjoyable and healthy?

It's been more than seven years since Horchler, a trim 63-year-old, began rowing to work. He rides one bicycle from his home in Cheverly to a boathouse where he keeps his 21-foot-long fiberglass rowing shell. He rows 6 1/2 miles, then rides another bicycle from the river to his job at the Library of Congress. The whole trip takes about an hour-and-a-half.

The routine is only possible thanks to a flexible work schedule. The Library of Congress allows employees to arrive between 6:30 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. - a policy intended in part to help workers cope with the area's notorious traffic.

He arrives for his job as head of the library's law cataloguing team in shorts and a T-shirt. Then he rinses off in the library's employee shower and changes into work clothes he keeps in his office.

Horchler rows one-way each work day, weather permitting, from March until November. One day he rows to work and takes the Metro home; the next day he takes the subway in and rows home.

I got a kick out of this because I thought about rowing part of the way to work on the Potomac back in the 70s, when I was commuting from Arlington to Bethesda. But I didn't have flextime, a shower at work, a boathouse, or a boat. :-(

I remember when they closed the Solomons Island bridge, and a bunch of people were commuting by boat to the Patuxent navy base from the island. Ahh, those were the days of low security alerts....heavy sigh. (cue dream sequence: people sharing a ride, talking to each other without cell phones, traveling with a smile on their faces (except when it rained), entering a government installation without going through metal detectors and Blackwater security drones...what a world...what a world....)

DC Metro is also part of the equation.

Best Hopes for non-oil Transportation of ALL types !,

Alan

Re: SA's focus on renewable energy. Further evidence that oil has peaked or will peak soon. SA finally gets it; this stuff ain't gonna last forever. And they have sun out the wazoo.

Hey, the energy problem is solved! Look at the NYT today (monday 30july) about the fast growing salvinia weed on caddo lake in texas. Says it doubles area covered every two or three days! Talk about exponential growth! Find a big body of water, dump sewage in it, suck up the resulting weed, smash the water out of it, and stuff it into a power plant. Off we go- under way on weed power- forever.

And so much for nuclear power. Sorry about that, Rickover.

From the Economist:

As population predictions have changed in the past few years, so have attitudes. The panic about resource constraints that prevailed during the 1970s and 1980s, when the population was rising through the steep part of the S-curve, has given way to a new concern: that the number of people in the world is likely to start falling.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9545933

As population predictions have changed in the past few years, so have attitudes. The panic about resource constraints that prevailed during the 1970s and 1980s, when the population was rising through the steep part of the S-curve, has given way to a new concern: that the number of people in the world is likely to start falling.

This is a concern ? Cause for celebration, maybe. QUICK!! EVERYBODY HAVE SEX!!!

It's a definite concern for an Economist...the very basis of some economic theories depends on continual growth, often implicitly the continual growth of the consumer base. If population growth ever stopped, they'd have to worry about finding ways to add consumers by bringing larger numbers of people out of crushing poverty. It's much easier if the already affluent just keep having babies, which seems to be what the author is pushing for. Because women who aren't having kids are clearly spending their time "...their 20s clubbing rather than child-rearing, and their cash on handbags rather than nappies...". Not that there's anything wrong with that, say the authors. Condescending tripe, this whole article.

To write an article on population growth without even mentioning China, India, or anywhere in Africa is impressive. You know, where half of the people in the world live, and their populations are still growing. Please, please, can we stop letting economists have such important roles in planning societal policies. Let's leave it actual scientists (sorry, minority of economists who do actual science, I'm lumping you in the non-scientist group until your field as a whole acknowledges the utter failure of past economic filed tests; i.e., the World Bank/IMF cluster----s), with tested and testable ideas based on the actual physical world.

with tested and testable ideas based on the actual physical world.

I'm not an economist. Took several courses in it, though, since I was an econ major for a while. But I read economics blogs all the time these days -- many of the most active ones would be classed as centre-left (at least).

Take Dani Rodrik, for instance. He's no globalization shill.

http://rodrik.typepad.com/dani_rodriks_weblog/

I wish I had a link to the precise post, but he mentioned in passing once that these days an economist's career goes nowhere without some serious empirical work.

As far as how scientific economics is, I can speak from personal experience that some of it is pretty hardcore. I remember a prof once presenting my class with a statistical math problem for homework. Next day he asked if anybody had solved it. Nobody had. "That's a pity," he said, "Because if somebody had, it would have meant a more or less instant Phd and likely more. Nobody has ever solved that problem and it matters." Economists regularly make contributions to scientific fields.

In my view, if powerdown becomes necessary, economists will contribute a lot to making it happen.

Don't forget, the field is known as the dismal science and, in fact, I first studied Malthus in an economics course. (late 80's)

I should point out that so long as the scientific method is followed, you are practicing science, and contributing.

Cheers.

I remember a prof once presenting my class with a statistical math problem for homework.

So get a Mathematician or a Statistician, we can use the work. ;)

I would agree that there are a lot of economists out there doing good work, particularly on "small-scale" problems. One of the tenets of the scientific method is repeatability, though, and many economic experiments (trade treaties, taxes) are basically unrepeatable; try it once, hope it works, no do-overs. Despite wide-spread evidence that heavy internal regulation and government support is almost the only way to ever get a "first world" economy off the ground (see: Europe, North America, South Korea, China, Japan), the majority view in many economic departments is that de-regulating and free market approaches are the way to go. It's always "oh, they didn't make the market free enough", or "Now we just need every other country to play by the same rules, and we're set". Total detachment from reality.

Economics wasn't called the dismal science because of realistic (often confused with pessimistic) notions,
http://www.economics.unimelb.edu.au/TLdevelopment/econochat/Dixonecon00....
it was called that, as I read it, because Carlyle thought supply and demand was a horrible way to do things and used this as an argument for continued slavery. The dismal science is of pure supply and demand.

Many good points. I wasn't aware of the Carlyle connection but it certainly makes sense. Thanks.

I would note that with climate science we don't have repeatability either where it matters. ie. the big picture.

And we are agreed that much mainstream economic advice about free-markets is offered rather recklessly. "Maximize growth" is their mantra. But, to be fair, that is the assignment society has given them.

The profession as a whole needs to be given a new homework problem! I'm pretty sure we can't do without them -- i.e. for attempting to predict the effects of peak oil and policies in response.

For instance, economist Dr. James Hamilton of the Econbrowser blog used a term recently that I hadn't heard in decades, "Scarcity Rents".

Is OPEC relevant?

http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2007/07/is_opec_relevan.html#comment...

That definitely has application to peak oil (which Hamilton takes seriously btw with no ax to grind that I'm aware of).

...the very basis of some economic theories depends on continual growth, often implicitly the continual growth of the consumer base. If population growth ever stopped, they'd have to worry about finding ways to add consumers by bringing larger numbers of people out of crushing poverty.

TTBOMK, none of the mainstream economic growth models require population growth -- all of them allow per-capita economic output to grow in a stable population. However, all economic growth models have to describe the past 300 years, in which Europe, North America, then later Japan and some other economies, have exhibited exponential per-capita output growth. That is, any model which does not predict exponential per-capita growth over long periods of time is demonstrably wrong.

It is possible, even likely, that these models are incomplete. Newton's physics were incomplete, but that didn't show up in the data until you got close to the speed of light. Today's growth theory is probably incomplete, but it won't show up in the data until we get close to resource limits.

QUICK!! EVERYBODY HAVE SEX!!!

Sorry, but Putinland has beaten you to the idea. In an eerie shadow of Fascism, Putin is promoting Russian procreation at Nashi youth sex camps

I would venture that Bushland is much far ahead of Putinland in that race. Especially after you consider illegal (but oh, so much welcomed) immigration.

Especially after you consider illegal (but oh, so much welcomed) immigration

.... for the time being - that is ?

Another quotation:

Overcrowding and a shortage of resources constrain bug populations. The reasons for the growth of the human population may be different, but the pattern may be surprisingly similar.

Newsflash: The Economist and Bob Shaw see eye to eye! ;-)

ARE humans smarter than yeast?
Well, they aren't any smarter than bugs, that's for sure...;-)