Peak Oil - Whom to Believe? Part One - "There's Plenty of Oil, CERAiously"
Posted by Nate Hagens on March 28, 2007 - 10:23am
Topic: Supply/Production
Tags: capacity, cera, demand, production, sociology [list all tags]
If you're like me, you might have spent a moment or two in recent months pondering how billionaire oilman T. Boone Pickens, oil banker Matthew Simmons, and many others are suggesting that the world is reaching Peak Oil now, and at the same time, Cambridge Energy Research Associates (CERA) headed by Pulitzer Prize writer Daniel Yergin, and others such as Exxon Mobil, are not predicting a Peak in global oil production until circa 2040 followed by a slow gradual decline. How can such smart and successful people disagree by decades on a topic so vital?
Is it possible they use different data sources? Do they mean different things when they say "Peak Oil"? Do they get different secret handshakes from Saudi princes? Do they have different agendas? Are they using different boundaries of analysis? Is one of them kidding? This 3 part post will address how people can differ so much on something so important as a peak and subsequent decline in world oil availability, addressing both factual and psychological reasons. Does the world have plenty of oil? Maybe, but as I will discuss below the fold, this is not among the questions we should be asking.
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Part One is a general background and history on why people can disagree so much on peak oil.
Part Two will explore the many factual areas that are confusing and lead to different conclusions.
Part Three will look at social and psychological reasons for disparate opinions on this critical topic.
BIG PICTURE
Humans like to eat and have sex (1). We also are designed to compete with each other and other species for resources (2)(3). This function of population times demand will continue to increase, ceteris paribus.
We live on a planet subject to natural laws. The procurement of oil, a finite resource critical to our globally interconnected society, follows the general laws of thermodynamics, as more 'heat loss' occurs as we find and pull out the more difficult oil. Technology is thus in a battle with depletion, and so far depletion is winning. What once returned over 100:1 on an energy investment is now below 20:1. (4&5) The ease of finding, harvesting, refining and distributing liquid fuels to society, will continue to decrease over time, ceteris paribus.
Peak oil, as will be discussed below, has many definitions. Simply put, it is about the intersection of the above two trends. It represents the general time frame when human demand for the energy services derived from oil will permanently diverge from our capacity to provide them.
Modern human culture, capitalism, globalization, food production, and essentially all aspects of life as we know it (unless *we* are Amish, 3rd world, or off-the-gridders), centers around oil, electricity and natural gas. Peak Strawberries or Peak Snapple obviously wouldn't be as big of deal.
Peak Oil is not a theory. It is a fact. Only the timing, magnitude, and implications are open to interpretation. How we interpret them should be a top priority for us individually and collectively. This post addresses why there are so many disparate opinions on this subject - many are concerned - many are unconcerned - many flip/flop from being concerned to unconcerned, etc. Why?
PRE-AMBLE
There exists considerable rancor between increasingly polarized groups on this topic. Many names for the two camps have been used: cornucopians/doomers, optimists/pessimists, pollyannas/cassandras, etc. I prefer to group them as the 'relatively unconcerned' and 'relatively concerned', as it is the level of concern that will motivate near term actions and policies. So far, the 'unconcerned' group (which includes the 'unaware') comprises the vast majority of the population.
I obviously am in the 'concerned' camp. For people interested in my motives, here they are: - I am getting my Ph.D. in Ecological Economics specializing in the energy/human nature side of the Peak Oil problem. Like my fellow Oil Drum contributors, I offer my time freely because I believe this issue needs to be urgently addressed, especially at the regional, local and community levels, due to the long time lag between policy change and meaningful response. Neither the mainstream media nor the scientific community have connected enough dots to communicate the urgency with which this problem needs to be addressed. My writing here is an attempt to get people in macro-policy and decision-making positions to think in ways that exposure to typical media and stimuli-laden schedules may not elicit. If my efforts result in a slight course change of current misguided energy and environmental policy or help citizens or communities better prepare, the effort will have been worthwhile (and, if I should randomly receive an email from a single, attractive off-the-grid farmer, I would view that as a positive externality (female only pls...)
AND NOW, A WORD FROM THE UNCONCERNED
CERA and Exxon are probably the most vocal oil optimists (not all oil companies are inherently optimistic, as evident by some Chevron and Shell ads). Here are three recent reports and interviews by CERA and Peter Jackson:
- Why the "Peak Oil" Theory Falls Down - Myths, Legends, and the Future of Oil Resources
- Peak Oil Theory Could Distort Energy Policy and Debate
- There is No Evidence of A Peak in the Next 10-15 Years
Some of the main points of these pieces include:
- Based on a detailed bottom-up approach, CERA sees no evidence of a peak before 2030. Global production eventually will follow an undulating plateau for one or more decades before declining slowly. Global resources, including both conventional and unconventional oil, are adequate to support strong production growth and a period on an undulating plateau.
- We hold that aboveground factors will play the major role in dictating the end of the age of oil.
- Despite his valuable contribution, M. King Hubbert’s methodology falls down because it does not consider likely resource growth, application of new technology, basic commercial factors, or the impact of geopolitics on production. His approach does not work in all cases—including on the United States itself—and cannot reliably model a global production outlook. For example, production in 2005 in the contiguous 48 states in the United States was 66% higher than Hubbert projected.
- The peak oil theory causes confusion and can lead to inappropriate actions and turn attention away from the real issues. Corporations, governments, and other groups, including nongovernmental organizations, need to have a coherent description of how and when the undulating plateau will evolve so that rational policy and investment choices can be made. It is likely that the situation will unfold in slow motion and that there will be a number of decades to prepare for the start of the undulating plateau.
A FEW WORDS ON WHY THE CORNUCOPIAN THEORY FALLS DOWN
Before I add my own thoughts to this debate, here are some recent rebuttals of CERAs claims, predictions and analysis:
- Dialoguing with Dr Peter Jackson - Is the Future of Oil Resources Secure?
- The Forecasting Record of CERA and other Commentators
- Does the Peak Oil "Myth" Just Fall Down? - Our Response to CERA
- An Open Letter to Peter Jackson of CERA
- Its CERA Week and Houston We Have a Problem
- Peddling Petro-Prozak - CERA Ignores 10 Warning Signposts of Peak Oil
- Does TheOilDrum Threaten CERAs Market Share?
Some of the main points of these posts include:
- CERA conflates reserves with resources
- CERA conflates productive capacity with productive flows
- CERA misprepresents what King Hubbert modeled, and how subsequent modelers use linearization methods.
- Approximately 50 countries have already peaked, more are peaking or about to peak (China, Mexico)
- So far the discovery forecast that CERA uses from the USGS is 77% too optimistic (see here)
- CERA's track record on individual countries is poor because its been too optimistic (see here)
- CERA needs to publish production intervals (i.e. a lower bound + a higher bound) not just production capacity.
- The Hubbert high forecast was spot on for the lower-48 (1% error on the 2005 cumulative production after 40 years!)
- Unconventional sources are slow sources of oil (low flow rates)
- The Super-giant fields with high flow rates are dying (Ghawar, Cantarell, Burgan etc.)
- Reserve growth remains unproven at the world level and is based on observed reserve growth for the US (Attanasi et al.) which is likely biased due to the inclusion of censored statistics
- CERA fails to acknowledge (or realize) that the long list of 'above ground factors' exist precisely because of increased geologic constraints on 'below ground resources'
- The best technology in the world and higher prices did little to change the production profile of the United States, which peaked in production in 1970.
MAN ON THE STREET
As with my last article on discount rates, I thought I'd include an interview with one of my friends, who happens to be an energy broker at a middle-tier Wall Street firm. His name is John (not really).
Nate: Yo Johnny - how's it going?
John: Not lousy Nate. I'm sure your environmental friends are dancing a jig on this TXU deal but they are going to be singing a different tune in 2009-2010.
Nate: Why is that?
John: They defeated the construction of new coal plants. Texas needs that energy man - there are going to be blackouts in a few years and not just sporadic ones. Someone else will have to build those coal plants.
Nate: I didn't know that - perhaps we can talk more about that another time. I'm writing another Oil Drum piece. Did you ever read my last one on how we steeply value the present over the future?
John: Um, I actually started it then got called away - It looked real good. But maybe you should put the summary points up top so busy people can get the special sauce without spending 20 minutes trying to read everything - you are kind of wordy you know.
Nate: Thanks for that. So what do you know about CERA - I am thinking about writing a piece criticizing their criticism of Peak Oil. Are they respected? Do your clients talk about their research?
John: They are respected. Probably upper 25%. Real mensa types.
Nate: How can they realistically disregard net liquids and flow rates and instead focus only on productive capacity, which in the end is basically just an academic exercise?
John: Hey man - they are not policy wonks - they try and make money for their clients and thus themselves. CERA is a cash cow for IHS Energy. Their clients think the same way mine do - their long term strategy is to make short-term profits. So if they paint the oil picture a certain way thats advantageous to their clients, they make money. And it's all about money man. And what do you mean, net liquids?
Nate: Actually it's not all about money. But thats a different topic. Do your clients agree with the cornucopian rhetoric behind those recent peak oil denial reports from CERA?
John: Cornucopian rhetoric? Man have you turned into a philosopher or something? Like I said, my clients are looking at how to make money in the oil markets over the next 6 months. They realize Peak Oil probably is for real but still view it from an investment perspective, not a life perspective. My smartest clients think that CERA is using 2007 geology with 1970 cost structures and 2050 technology in their projections - but the story still sells. CERA has smart people but they're definitely drinking the kool-aid.
Nate: Do your clients understand net energy? That producing energy requires energy and this comes out of a shrinking pool as the quality resource depletes?
John: I think less than 5% of the street thinks of things that way, and most of those are the analysts. The ethanol debate started people thinking about net energy but most everyone still thinks in dollar terms.
Nate: But don't they realize that oil is finite and dollars are not, meaning this increase in oil prices is going to accelerate once we permanently cross peak in net oil available for purchase?
John: There is the beginning of such conversations. Obviously with $60 oil, the E&P sector should be printing money, but alot of companies' costs are going up more than their revenues. New finds of oil are really expensive, especially domestically. Chevron, with all the hoopla a few months back, has still not sanctioned Jack II. I'm guessing it's cost related.
Nate: But do you thi---(phone rings)
John: Nate buddy. I gotta hop. This is one of those clients whose long-term strategy is short-term profits. Later.
Nate: Bye

REASON #1 - THE PHRASE "PEAK OIL" MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE
When someone says 'oil has already peaked' or 'peak isn't until 2020', what do they mean? Peak Oil can (and will) have many definitions. It would benefit policy debates and discussions if there were a universal, agreed-upon definition. The most common is the year in which global crude oil production reaches its maximum sustained level, followed by a permanent decline. Some (Ken Deffeyes) define Peak as the date when 50% of the world's oil has been used irrespective of the annual flow rate (presumably, we could have used 50%+ of our oil and still have rising production if technology is allowing us to borrow from what would have been a bell shaped curve.)
Other definitions differ in what is included as 'oil'. The most restrictive includes only oil graded as "Light Sweet". More common definitions include condensate and Natural Gas Plant Liquids (NGPL). Still broader definitions include the heavy oils, the Orinoco oil sands, and the Alberta tar sands. And the broadest measure of 'what is oil' might include corn and sugarcane turned to ethanol, palm nuts turned to biodiesel, and coal turned to diesel fuel. This is referred to as "All liquids" and is what is commonly reported as total oil production in the media.
Ultimately, we want oil for the energy services it provides. None of us should care about how much daily or annual gross oil production of this and that there is, other than these statistics being precursors to a more important statistic: net liquids available to the non-energy, non-governmental sectors of society. This is the oil that is able to 'do work' for the world economy. As I will discuss in Part Two, gross statistics are misleading on three counts: 1) NGPL and ethanol have lower BTU content than crude oil yet are counted the same 2) procuring energy requires energy - a low energy requirement product is counted the same as a high energy input product and 3) following best first principles, depletion eventually overtakes technology, until one day an energy break-even point is reached in the extraction of a resource, irrespective of price. Thus future projections that assume oil in 2040 has the same ability to do work for society, after its energy costs have been subtracted will prove to be optimistic.
References:
- Malthus, Thomas, "An Essay on the Principle of Population" 1798
- Williams, George "Adapatation and Natural Selection" 1968
- Lotka, Alfred J. "Contribution to the Energetics of Evolution" 1922
- Cleveland, CJ, "Energy Quality and Energy Surplus from the Extraction of Fossil Fuels in the US" Ecological Economics 1992:6 139-162
- Cleveland, CJ, ""Net Energy from the Extraction of Oil and Gas in the United States"(pdf)
Coming up next
MORE FACTUAL REASONS WHY PEOPLE DISAGREE ON PEAK OIL
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Nice piece. Liked the bit with "John."
Curious:
Could "John" elaborate more on how CERA makes money for its clients?
Nate,
You are a gifted writer, that is a great piece! I am really looking forward to the next 2. Qualiy is WAY better than most news reporters, you should submit to a printrag!
(English Teacher Wannabe Mode) I was almost euphoric to see your use of the uncommon word "disparate". But then the euphoria evaporated when I saw you abuse "illicit", which you are no doubt DO'H!-ing right about now. (/English Teacher Wannabe Mode)
DOH
that was freudian. its been changed. thanks
especially when TOD is cutting into CERA's market share:
http://resourceinsights.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html
Re: The Recent Debate Regarding the HL Model
Deffeyes says that the world peak could be as late as 2008.
Robert says that the world peak could be as soon as 2009.
And the difference is?
Re: The Cornucopian Position
Regarding ExxonMobil and CERA, IMO they are motivated by two things: (1) They largely believe what they are saying and (2) They are trying to forestall punitive taxation, i.e., the major oil companies need all of their cash flow to put production on line from trillions of barrels of "resources."
The problem with the ExxonMobil/CERA position is that they are, in effect, encouraging Americans to continue borrowing money to maintain their SUV/Suburban lifestyle.
OGI announced yesterday that a 2 billion barrel (guestimated) field was discovered in Bohai Bay, China. There might be more oil in the South China Sea disputed areas.
Mexico is probably getting overconfident with its Ku- Maloob-Zaap nitrogen injection. Cantarell was a larger field and the nitrogen injection schema only boosted production a decade, the drop off in production in their largest field is of the steepest type. Mexico will need to tap into its onshore heavy oil resources. That takes time, it might take more expensive upgrading also.
North Ghawar was reported as watering out. I have read that there are many different parts of Ghawar and much is not published. The Saudis yet have on a website that there are 75 billion barrels of recoverable oil in Ghawar. I think that might closer to remaining oil in place, and that most of it may not be recovered with current technology. Ghawar was described as past peak. I recall OPEC had advertised a million barrels a day plus in production cuts, OPEC is something that might obscure peak forecasting.
National Oil Companies might need more money for E&P to replace declining production or temporarily boost it like Mexico did. National governments need to take more funds from NOIC's to fund growth.
I think Rex Tillerson's 4 year investment plan for XOM is a failed plan, even as defined by his own terms. He plans to spend 20B a year for 4 years to increase capacity by 1 Mb. That's not net, btw. That's gross. Not only am I unconvinced that he'll gross that amount, but, I also conjecture he'll be spending more than 20B a year the second two years.
It's a stupid plan fraught with exploration and cost escalation risk, especially when there are at least 10 E+P companies already trading on the exchanges that he could buy. Everyone from Suncor to OXY, to Devon, the CNQ, NXY, Anadarko, and so on.
But Rex Tillerson's need to believe in the traditional model is so strong, he can't consider the possiblity that his plan is higher risk and will spend the money to prove it, (dammit!).
Other interesting examples of stubborn belief include the public beleiving that Dan Yergin is "an oil expert", and/or that Rex Tillerson understands or even cares to understand the price of oil. Neither are true of course, and even Rex has tried to tell us in as many words. When he was first made CEO of XOM he was asked about the high price of oil and said "I have no idea why the price of oil is where it's at, and frankly I don't care. It's not what I do."
A very honest response for a man in his position, imo.
When Matt Simmons says he won't be investing in XOM, he too is being quite honest and knows exactly what he's saying.
Tillerson is now essentially running an Oil and Gas Trust. He trumps up the gross production capacity he wants to achieve, while carefully avoiding the net, and meanwhile he's really spending capital buying back XOM shares. And Yergin is really just a Front Man for CERA, a Hood Ornament--a kind of accidental expert--who is wise enough to never, ever say anything notable, that hasn't already been said by someone else.
Interesting world.
Gregor
If you are so inclined, this is just a reminder to upvote this at reddit, digg, stumbleupon, slashdot, and other linkfarms.
This is an important piece and we need to get Nate as many readers as possible.
Nate wrote:
Now we know why you retired your LastSasquatch moniker! Seems even aspiring peasant women have limits to their atavistic tastes. :-)
Nate,
Love your Socratic dialog with "John".
That so pegs it on how our Attention-Deficited Money-Directed (ADMD) culture operates.
We are each so programmed into thinking of everything in terms of money ($$$) and social prestige (mensa-types, ha ha) that we cannot begin to grok the world in any other way.
(P.S. Recently I was watching CNN's Anderson Cooper doing a story on cults, brain washing and more specifically the Heaven's Gate group that drank the Kool Aid as the Hale Bob comet came flying by because they thought that was their ride to the next dimension if only they free themselves of the mortal Shell. The funny part was that Anderson was wearing a pin stripe suit with tie, his expert was donned in suit and tie, and they were laughing at how the Hale Bob bobo's could ever allow themselves to be brain washed. Hello Anderson. You're wearing a rope around your neck! Don't you see it?)

thanks, i have more on that, but understanding the ADMD of the people we are trying to reach, i doubt anyone had 1-2 hours to read this post so broke it up. Cultural memes are strong forces. That currently is a curse but could turn out to be a blessing - we'll see.
Brainwashing is a very interesting subject. The vast majority of people do not realize their own predilection to brainwashing. Almost everyone on earth have been brainwashed into taking certain things on faith, though they may believe their beliefs are based on sound scientific evidence.
The talking heads on CNBC have been brainwashed into believing that Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle Eastern countries have vast amounts of oil and can increase production at any time. There is absolutely no scientific evidence to support this silly notion. But there is lots of propaganda to support it.
And I really hate to be a nitpicker Step Back, but it's "Hale-Bopp", not Hale Bob.
Ron Patterson
What is even more interesting than brainwashing -- which is after all as old as civilization itself -- are the tactics people adopt to try to avoid it.
One tactic is to fasten one's mind very tightly onto a handful of scientific first principles and then to attempt to organize the overwhelming complexity of the world through that lens.
I imagine that this has been done ever since Newton's time as science waxed and religion waned, at least among the cognitive elite. There's isn't much that isn't amenable to the Three Laws of Motion or some slightly approximate popular version thereof. For instance, even stating "What goes up must come down" can be highly informative and even reassuring if one is beleaguered by a priapism. But, of course, Newtons Laws apply to much more than one's private(s) life. They pretty much explain all things political and social or at least give a good approximation.
Of course, we have since gone on to apply quantum mechanics and relativity to equally good effect but on a disappointingly smaller audience.
I hereby posit the Laws of Usefulness of Scientific First Principles for the Avoidance of Brainwashing
(1) For a principle to be useful, the broader public must be convinced that they can have a vague clue about it.
(2) The scientifically minded layman, after reading a couple of popular works on the principle, must be capable of feeling he is one of the elite few who now understands it perfectly.
Asebius,
Best comment ever! That had me laughing! Written as only a true linguaphile can write!
For anyone who didn't get Asebius' very funny comment, look it up. It's worth it.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/priapism
(I guessed your enjoyment of words when you used 'revenant' in a previous comment, although I would have used 'atavism' or 'atavistic,' myself, since a Sasquatch is more of a throwback than a ghost. Not that I'm a cryptozoological expert!)
[atavistic is indeed better, i think i'll go change it ;-) ]
That's for sure - most people believe in something supernatural, whether religious or new age or paranormal, etc., despite the total lack of falsifiable and verifiable evidence. That scientific naturalism is so very rare in this so-called "modern" age is proof positive that most humans are basically just talking monkeys. James Randi will give anyone 1 million dollars who proves a single supernatural phenomenon (and the preliminary test set-up is actually very forgiving - yet no one ever makes it to the more scientifically rigorous test, because there is no such thing as magic - only fallible human minds).
Simple-but-false memes which reinforce what people want to hear will ALWAYS succeed over complex logical-reality-based memes which challenge misconceptions. This is true whether you are talking nutrition, religion, or whatever. Thus, only when the cultural zeitgeist has evolved to where people ARE PRIMED BY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES TO BELIEVE - only then will the simple logical facts surrounding peak oil penetrate the masses. There is probably a threshold that has to be reached, and it could probably happen damn quickly after energy descent gets undeniably viscious. Humans are meme machines not truth machines.
The free market meme easily triumphs over the peak oil meme precisely because there is no thinking (or documentation) required, whereas even the most wonderfully distilled peak oil meme is significantly more complex.
Actually, ALL of us are talking apes except for the few who can't talk.
New excuses are fabricated every time another animal is observed using tools or communicating with a species mate.
I like to think that our brains were not designed (by evolution!) to look objectively at facts and come to logical conclusions. They were designed to listen to our physical and emotional needs and define actions that will secure resolution of those needs. Learning and applying the scientific method is extraordinarily unnatural. It is so unnatural that humans that develop the ability to use it need to compartmentalize it in their brains so that they can lead a normal life among other humans.
That nicely explains engineers and astrophysicists that go to church and why men get married.
There must be some evolutionary advantage to religeous belief for it to be so prevalent and persistent over the millenia. Religeons provide the basic rules of community life and the mythologies around them describe our relationships with each other and with nature. It is a belief of my faith community that all things are spiritual and that there is no separation between science and true religeon. We are not biblical literalists and assert that nature is another way God reveals himself and his will for our lives. I believe religeous belief can be as self correcting as science claims to be as we do our best to promote communities of love, hope, faith, and peace. Belief that grace taught by Jesus of Nazareth is not rooted in magic but is an empowerment to keep trying to improve the quality of life of all people. The grace extended to us allows us to extend grace to those who have offended us and break the cycle of revenge which has left so many blind and toothless. Not all Christians believe these things. Some Jews, Muslims, Bhuddists, and others do.
The threats of peak oil and global warming calls the body of Christ to act as the savior of the world and to offer a voice of hope while doomers scream that all is hopeless.
"Learning and applying the scientific method is extraordinarily unnatural."
You couldn't have said it better.
I would only make one suggestion to this analysis:
Too much is focused on "our physical and emotional needs". This is implying that humans tend to act as individuals.
After observing the way kindergarden mothers adjust their views so quickly to compensate for each others' view (and all the unnecessary talk that goes along with it!!), I would place common opinion/belief much higher than any physical needs out there. Except, of course, in a dysfunctional/collapsed/broken society.
Groupthink is about a zillion times more prevailent than any scientific method...
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My grandfather pumped oil with an engine-house,
my father pumped oil with a 20 lb. electric motor,
can't I just pump it online?
Evolution does not "design" anything. Evolution is not some form of "intelligent controller" (intelligent designer) that lurks out there and forces things one way or another.
Our brains are the result of random scrambling. There was no "design". It just so happened that a bunch of random mutations (from among all other mutations that failed miserably) did not fail miserably and managed to squeak by with a D- instead of an F grade in the great school of hard knocks and competitive survival.
We humans do not choose to "compartmentalize" things in our brains. Instead, our brains are the messed up compartments.
You have a chicken/reptile compartment up there in the attic, as well as a herded sheep compartment, and finally some miniscule compartment that fools itself into thinking it engages in "rational" thought.
It is the herded sheep compartment that urges engineers towards going to church and towards huddling in Dilbert cubicles. Once inside the cubicles, they engage on rare occasions in some rational thought. (i.e., Let's see. I went through a graduate engineering program, busted my ass, all so that some business degree major can now control my life. That makes me "smart" and her "stupid".)
Can you say Mooh? How about Bah, Bah?
Can you say Bah Humbug? --See? That proves you are a sheeple and I'm a sheeple. Relax. I engage in religious activities also. It comforts the sheep compartments of my "designed" brain. :-)
One thing I would like to say is Peak Oil is a economic event it occurs when supply cannot meet demand and gets worse as supply decreases. So peak oil in the economic sense occurs when cheap oil peaks.
So even on a global scale this core issue is supply and demand
even if we had more oil and supply was not going to decrease for say 30 years we are in a peak oil economic model the moment demand is not reached.
Now drop down to the individual level this means that for each person they experience peak oil in two simple ways.
1.) They cannot afford the oil (Demand Destruction)
2.) They can afford it but supply constraints cause shortages.
Bill Gates will never experience peak oil in the first sense. But even he its not immune to the second case.
The point is regardless of how much money you have your oil
usage will decline as overall oil production decreases simply because its impossible to subsidize all the goods and services you use that depend on oil. So literally having all the money in the world does not help.
And more important the social impact as more people suffer demand destruction is huge.
Just like the theory of peak oil is based on the peaking of well then fields and regions the effects of peak oil occur as each individual gets less oil this month than last month.
And to be more specific its when the total EROI/price peaks and declines.
We can argue the date of geologic peak but its becoming clear that the chances for a lot of new production capable of offsetting current declines are slim. OPEC has signaled that they will not allow prices to drop even if we have the oil.
Next prices indicate that demand is strong even at higher price points and we are supply constrained. World events indicate that the poorer parts of the planet are suffering demand destruction now.
So as far as the social and economic consequences go we have already reached peak oil. The geologic peak and decline is simply going to determine the rate at which the oil economy falters then destructs if we do nothing.
I know I'll be shedding a sorrowful barrel of tears if Billy experiences any hardship.
Leave no billionaire behind!
`Investment Porn' Panned by DFA Funds Preaching Fama's Gospel
By Seth Lubove
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aX85KTTfho.M&refer=h...
In light of the conversation with "John," I thought this was an interesting look at market types that wouldn't even bother to ask CERA.
I wrote my masters thesis under Gene Fama. I got an F on the midterm but an A+ on the term paper titled "Why the Millionth Monkey Lives in Vegas" about how sports gambling markets were similar in herd mentality to financial markets.
Without getting to far off topic, I dont believe in efficient markets - though MOST people would be better off just buying the indexes.
More relevant to this discussion is that the 'markets' are the ultimate resting ground of the wealth created from natural resource extraction. Even at 10:1 EROI there is a 1000% return on oil that gets circulated through the economy. But what is the minimum EROI that can keep the 'fixed' component of the system going - let alone have any 'marginal' energy gain left over for growth. We are not only fighting depletion, but population. This will sound heretical, but I expect the end of (global) economic growth within a decade.
Can you share a copy of your midterm paper? That sounds interesting. I used to work for a broker and did some analytical work on peoples decisions to buy or sell a position. My conclusion is that it is all a 'crap shoot'.
If we have peak oil this decade, it cannot possibly be otherwise. As our energy slavs start to disappear, industry will start to shrink. Energy drives the economy and liquid energy, fossil oil, is the most efficient driver of them all.
Energy Slaves:
http://transstudio.com/2006/01/energy-slave-equivalency.htm
Ron Patterson
Ron I agree.
But it could possbily be otherwise. Here are the reasons:
1) its possible (though highly unlikely) that high net energy sources like large scale wind will be scaled in time to meet up with the depletion of lower net energy fossil fuels. remember right now large scale wind has higher energy return than new oil - its just that we have alot of 'old oil' in the ground.
2) if we use wind and coal (still high EROI, but dirty) to transform transportation grid to 50% electric, we could still have economic growth
3) some event reduces human population by 1/4 to 1/3 then there could be economic growth after that
4) some miracle like nuclear fusion or some way to safely access methane hydrates, etc
5)regions, countries, locales, etc that bite the bullet now (at cost of current economic growth) to create future based less on fossil fuels and more on sustainable flows could have growth - or at least steady state, but not the world as a whole
but if we (collectively) continue on the present course, assuming technology and capital create wealth, then I agree with you.
Your comments above are one reason I am firmly in the doomer camp. Essentially all efforts are toward maintaining some version of the growth paradigm/status quo. Realy, what is needed is a new societal meme not wind turbines and light rail.
As Greer argues in his Tuesday essay on EB, the same thinking that got us into this mess is unlikely to get us out of it.
Why does everyone forget/ignore nuclear fission? We've covered it here over and over and the overwhelming conclusion is that nuclear power is certainly viable enough to meet our future energy needs for as long as we care to project.
That wasn't *my* overwhelming conclusion.
Anyone see Roger and Me, wherein the flailing town of Flint MI keeps trying to prime the pump with massive (and massively stupid) projects (a theme park, a luxury hotel) which fail spectacularly. They eventually build a large prison.
WRT Cool Hand Nuke, I think nuclear plants will be built, using a lot of public money, and a few people will make a lot of money. The plants will lose money, but will keep the power on in certain neighborhoods.
I expect the much the same of Clean Coal and Mighty Wind.
Collectively most of us set at the apex of a great pyramid or better ponzi scheme based on continued economic expansion and cheap energy. We are far close to the top than the bottom.
The problem is its generally impossible to conceive of the pyramids intrinsic structure failing by those inside it. Even the biggest doomers still think the overall status quo will be maintained i.e the wealthy will stay wealthy.
Events such as the Russian or French revolution are not considered even though structural failure increased the probability of dramatic changes taking place.
I think that the reason this occurs is pretty simple when your dealing with a system that is exhibiting exponential growth the event that causes it to unravel or collapse is generally small. Slight changes in resources or other inputs results in a sudden massive collapse of ponzi based systems.
I'm not being a doomer really just pointing out that the system seems unstable if its effected structurally.
I guess I'm not a very good doomer :-(
Some of the wealthy are awfully well-entrenched, and only a political revolution could dislodge them. Until then, some wealthy folk will find that their cash cows have run dry, and will be replaced by fast-thinking and merciless schemers, as in the FSU. AIUI, there is no shortage of very rich people in the FSU.