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BP's Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill at the Oil Drum Overview - Especially for New Readers - Discussion
Posted by Gail the Actuary on May 3, 2010 - 10:19am
This is a post we plan to update and keep up during the time the oil spill is an issue. See the Discussion section at the end for comments about the proposed post.
Trying to follow a complex ongoing story like the oil spill on a blog like The Oil Drum is difficult, so I thought I would put together some pointers and useful links, especially for new readers. In this, I include
- Drumbeat
- Oil Drum articles closely related to the Oil Spill
- Oil Drum background articles, helpful to newcomers
Drumbeat
The place most readers start is Drumbeat. Leanan puts up a list of news articles in every day. Many will be relevant to the oil spill and responses to it. The comments below Drumbeat will also include many useful discussions and links. For most people, starting with today's Drumbeat is useful.
If you want to look at prior Drumbeat dates, an easy way to find them is to look through the Archives. If you are particularly interested in comments by a particularly knowledgeable commenter JOHN DOE, you can click on that person's name, and be led to a page that has as one of its choices "Comments by JOHN DOE", and from there can see further comments by the same person.
Oil Drum Posts Closely Related to the Oil Spill
We have run a number of posts that are related to the Oil Spill. These, listed from the most recent to the oldest, are as follows:
4. Progress on the Gulf oil leak and comments on cementing and well completion by Heading Out (Dave Summers) - May 3
Background technical information on cementing pipes and well completion, plus discussion of how these seem to be an issue in the Deepwater Horizon blowout.
3. Tech Talk: Revisiting Oil Well Pressures and Blowout Preventers after BP's Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill by Heading Out (Dave Summers) - May 2
Post by a recently retired university professor, describing some of the "ins" and "outs" of oil well pressure and blowout preventers. In the second half of the post, Heading Out talks about how this relates to some recent questions that have been raised with respect to how the current blowout took place, and what can be done to stop the leaking.
2. BP's Thunder Horse to Under-Perform in the Wake of the Deepwater Horizon Blowout? -Guest post by Seismobob (Glenn Morton) - April 30
One question of interest is, "If we do all this deepwater drilling, is it really possible to get a reasonable quantity of oil out?" Hopefully, we will be able to run a number of posts trying to examine this question. The April 30 post was the first such post. Based on the analysis Seismobob did, it appears that at least in this example, production is not going nearly as well as planned--suggesting that deepwater oil reserves may be overstated, and costs of production may be much higher than oil companies have planned on.
1. The Gulf of Mexico Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill: Some Background and What It Means by Gail the Actuary (Gail Tverberg) - April 28 Excerpt:
It seems to me that the great depth and attendant pressures, and the learning curve that goes working within these new parameters, probably contributed to the initial leak, and is contributing to the difficulties that are now occurring in stopping the leak.
This particular well was not an important one--one source said it had economic importance only because of its proximity to a platform which was already in the area. The issues are more the possible environmental damage and the political fallout that could come from the accident. Unfortunately, most of the "easy oil" is gone. The oil that remains all has some challenges--but the fact of the matter is that the world economy cannot run without oil. So there are no easy answers.
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If there are oil shortages, it will affect the economy--either through recession or high prices--but not necessarily both simultaneously--so the impact may look like an oil demand problem, as much as an oil supply problem. Even if we were able to put up an infinite number of wind turbines or nuclear plants tomorrow, these would not really substitute for oil, so would not solve our oil-related problems, although wind, nuclear, and other energy approaches might have benefits of other types.
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Delusions of Finance: Where We May be Headed
Peak Oil and the Financial Crisis
Insights on Where We May be Headed
The Failure of Networked Systems
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The dark side of coal - some historical insights on energy and the economy
Technical posts related to oil supply
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Discussion
We are thinking about leaving up a version of this post up for new readers during the time the Oil Spill is an issue. (It would be an additional post with a short header, listed above Drumbeat.) I would plan to update the list of oil spill articles with new Oil Drum oil spill articles, as new ones are published.
The article would probably have comments disabled, and this last Discussion section would be removed after this first post.
I know the idea of running a list of important recent press articles, and an ongoing summary of where we are now, similar to that that we did during the hurricane season, is appealing, but I am not sure that we have the staff to maintain such an endeavor. I am also not sure such a format would be very accessible to our very diverse readership, as the story grows in size and complexity. As a practical matter, readers are going to be able to read much more than 2,000 words or so at a time. They will be put off by an overlong document, and such a document will be difficult to keep organized. We will also not be able to do all aspects of the story equally well--may have to slight ecological impacts for example, since this is not our area of expertise.
Hopefully, from time to time, we will be able to run articles giving an overview of where we are at a given point, and maybe articles on good sources to go to for informations. Such articles would then be added to the list of articles shown on this post, which would be available for readers to review.
Any thoughts about this idea?
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The only article I have seen that discusses the type of oil being spilled, and the implications.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126424949
Alan
I searched and found one story that said the oil had an API gravity of 35 -- not exactly heavy -- but that indeed the asphaltene content was high.
Some questions I have are:
a) is there any emulsification happening where the oil exits the riser, or only on the surface?
b) does any gravity separation occur, or does surface tension keep the oil together (unless emulsified?)
My GUESS is that the pressure delta is so high, that pipe friction from laminar flow (see Reynold's #) would not balance the equation. So the oil speeds up till turbulent flow is created, at which point the equation balances.
Turbulent flow implies mixing what is in the pipe (oil, NG, produced water, sand).
Alan
Alan,
While my field of expertise is from a different field of study from oil (that being drinking water), mixing/contact for the disinfection of water using chlorine, credits are highest when using pipes - aka Plug flow - What i'm trying to say is that ideal mixing occurs in a plug flow situation.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug_flow_reactor_model
So, if I were to make a WAG and bring knowledge from another field and attempt to make it apply to this liquid (oil) flowing in a pipe, that the plug flow in this case would create a perfect mixing environment.
Note, the inherant roughness of the walls of the pipe can cause axial turbulence and mixing to occure, so the flow will likely NOT be perfect plug flow. But for our discussions, IMO, you could assume essentially perfect mixing of all the components of the stream of fluid.
A Suggested Editorial by The Oil Drum
I think that the most interesting thing I have read in the past 24 hours is the MMS study that Russell Gold, with the WSJ, wrote about. An MMS study in 2004 pointed out that the shear rams on many rigs were probably not capable of handling the higher strength drill pipe being used in deepwater areas:
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6421#comment-617636
And as "Toolpush" pointed out, Brazil requires that companies demonstrate that the shear rams can actually cut through a length of drill pipe, before they can commence drilling. Makes one wonder why deepwater GOM doesn't have a similar rule, especially in light of the 2004 MMS study.
I suggest that The Oil Drum come out with an editorial urging an immediate new mandate by the MMS that would implement the "Brazil Rule," to-wit, that drilling operators have to demonstrate that the shear rams can cut through a length of drill pipe, before they commence drilling operations.
MMS maintains a web presence at: http://www.mms.gov/
A good place to go from time to time.
Craig
Its hard for me to believe that a drilling operator would not have documented proof that a BOP has been tested for all possible contingencies. At least using a BOP of the exact manufactured series. That is simply not SOP. As long as I can remember every wireline tool housing and sensor (Sonde) has been pressure and heat tested beyond its operating specs.
From the WSJ article linked above (emphasis added):
Then it would seem that MMS has the final responsibility for the blowout. When this problem was presented the drilling should have been shut down untill there was 100% capability and compliance.
Incidentally, it occurred to me that it might be a swell idea to implement the "Brazil Rule" on the rigs drilling the relief wells to the blowout wellbore. I suppose that it might be nice to know that their shear rams could cut through the drill pipe at depth. Just a thought.
As far as I can tell, the current MMS regulations already require that. BP could be liable for huge fines if it turns out the did not install a super-shear BOP. They were available at the time the project was started. Perhaps BP can shift the blame to Cameron but someone is going to take the heat for this.
I could easily be wrong, but based on what "Toolpush" posted, it seems that the "Brazil Rule" is not in effect in the GOM. There is of course a huge difference between the shear rams being designed to cut the drill pipe at depth and demonstrating that the shear rams will cut the drill pipe at depth. (See note about Cameron down the thread.)
And what about testing the ability to cut through the threaded unions? I may be a simple country electrical engineer but Murphy says that in an accident the pipe will always be in the wrong position. Seems like you'd always want two shear rams, spaced so that one would always have plain pipe to cut.
Joe -- we call that section of the drill pipe "collars". And they are far more difficult to shear. In the early days most BOP failures resulted from catching the collars with the shears,
Realist
Not quite sure how to say this, but having a deeper look into the super shear construction, I may have been a little haste in claiming the DW Horizon did not have Super Shear.
www.c-a-m.com/oe01/presents/camdrill.ppt
This is a power point from Cameron that shows all their 5th Generation toys. I had originally understood the super shears to be a differant bodies to the their standard TL ram. In the PPT you can see the TL body can accept, pipe ram, shear and seal rams, or Super shears non seal. The DW Horizon as per Transocean web site contains 2 x double TL Rams and 1 x single TL rams, giving 5 ram bodies. 3 are always used for pipe rams, 1 is always used for shear and seal. Leaving one other ram that could be another pipe ram, or it could be a super shear, leaving the gate open for the possiblity of this being in place.
Having confessed all that I have not seen anything from the ROV pictures or any comments anywhere say they had Super Shears, so we will have to wait for a bit more evidence to come.
PS. If it was a MMS regulation, then it would be in place.
Why? I always had the idea that limited government was a founding principle of the US of A. Why would a body that is subject to this principle have the final responsibility for anything that it was not constitutionally mandated to do?
Which of the following was our government mandated to do and which of them do you want them to stop doing?
1. Traffic laws
2. Food testing for bacteria, viruses, parasites and lead and other poisons
3. Physicians licensing
4. Pharmaceutical testing
5. Testing for lead in paint on children's toys
6. Testing and regulation of nuclear power plants
7. Treating of sewage
Are we all ready to get our own toxic metal test kits, petrie plates and microscopes to make sure our food is safe to eat.
The bigger and more complex a society is, the more it becomes impossible for the common citizen to watch out for himself. I would be in favor of eliminating all these functions that government now does if we could return to the state of affairs in the 1700's where for instance you would not be at risk of getting melamine in your baby formula or dog food, in fact where there would be no such thing a baby formula. Or where a traffic accident is more likely to be stepping in some horse poop than a 20 car pile up on an interstate.
In matters of public welfare where the actions of corporations, whose highest principal is profit and who can endanger large numbers of citizens,who BUT the government is in the position to provide for public welfare. That is why people form governments, to provide for their welfare in any way they wish the government to do.
This may be due to a personal bias, but, IMO #1 on that list should be supply of safe drinking water.
The disinfection of drinking water is equivalent to the discovery of penecillin with respect to human health.
But hey, if you like Tuberculosis, Cryptosporidosis, Cholera, Dysentary, Gastroenteritis, E. Coli... and on and on. Have at it, close the doors and hand over your drinking water supply to someone who hand dug a well in the 1700's...
The economy of scale of supplying safe drinking water would be hard to ignore if everyone was responsible for their own drinking water safety - the energy costs could be huge as most people would boil every drop of water they drank to ensure their own personal safety.
As an aside, given that the average citizen neglects to regularly change/clean their furnace/air conditioner filter, would you want them responsible for ensuring the safety of drinking water???
Although that could provide an interesting solution to the population problem, I'm not sure that we would want to go down that route ;)
Enviro yes I missed that one. I was looking for a sampling. Another is Public Health. Health is everyone's problem, not just the poor. If you are rich and hire an undocumented nanny to care for your kids (hey you got rich by cutting corners eh?) and that nanny can't get adequate health care she may infect your and your kids with TB. Public Health while used largely by those without insurance or the poor, actually protects the whole society.
I didn't mean to imply that the 1700's was a wonderful time. Just that the problems were on a smaller scale and more manageable by individuals. True city drinking water was full of stuff but most of the country was rural and rural folks have one hole for water and another for wastes and don't generally put them very close together. In other words the source of their water and its likelihood of being contaminated were something they could have first hand knowledge about and something they had some control over.
I don't rely on government to provide or treat my water. I have a deep drilled well and did not go on city water when it was offered. But I live on a large acreage in a very rural area. In most of the US government regulations on water are vital. Even if you can afford to buy water I presume most people trust that there are government regulations and testing. Anyone who thinks they can trust unregulated big business do do right by the people hasn't been following the news.
Hi gem, I hate to burst your bubble on #5 above, but:
http://www.katu.com/news/national/79638657.html
It seems that the Govt doesn't do much testing. In fact, it seems they don't do much enforcing either. I agree that there are important roles for Govt. Lately I find myself asking; what's the point.
I didn't say they did a good job of these things. Clearly industry would like them not to do a good job and endlessly lobbies and bribes public officials so they don't do a good job. But don't you think that the public wants someone other than themselves to do the testing and don't you think they think the government is doing this. Yet many in the public decry government regulation. They are bombarded with how bad government regulation is and deceived into believing that it is in their best interest to get rid of all government regulation. Yet they buy food and toys without thinking that they need to get petri dish, microscope and test kits for toxic substances. They complain about government regulation, let they expect traffic signs to be put up. They complain about government regulation because they have be programmed by MSM to do so and never take one thought about all the government regulation they expect and depend on. Makes the corporations happy because they don't give a #@$% about anything but making money and they are happy to have the people they are trying to stiff complain about the one force that could protect them.
Our government is no longer the gov't of the people (not sure it ever was but it was supposed to be the gov't of the landed white males at least). It is the gov't of the corporations. Oh yeah I forgot they are people too (or so the Supreme Court tells us), but not people that go to jail or get death sentences and they don't get to vote, they just get to buy the vote. "Also on October 25, 2007, BP paid a $50 million fine and pleaded guilty to a felony in the (Texas) refinery explosion." http://www.truthout.org/whistlelower-bps-other-offshore-drilling-project... A felony? Why isn't BP in jail if it is a people?
OK enough of my rant for the night.
I read somewhere that Cameron built the stack. Cameron is an old company that has been in the oil field for ages. I’m not trying to defend Cameron but I’ll bet before that BOP shipped it was tested in the shop. Most of these companies have extensive QA programs. Paticularlly if the stack is stamped ASME. I know there is an API standard for design of trees and probably covers stacks as well. There will testing in the API standards. Maybe someone has a copy of the API standard that covers stack design and testing. Could they post the important information.
From the WSJ article:
This is an excellent initiative. Many people will appreciate your efforts.
Thanks! It seems like the best we can do is try to provide a road map to what we have. The Oil Drum is difficult to navigate, and readers come with very different interests and knowledge levels.
Rockman or someone in the know,
I'm wondering about the safety of the relief rigs. The relief rigs obviously need to be right in the vicinity of oil plume, where the oil is at it's thickest on the ocean surface. Earlier in the week, the coast guard/BP purposefully set fire to some of the oil on the surface of the ocean. Could the oil around the rig accidentally catch fire?
Will BP do anything to try to keep the oil away from the rigs? Some type of booms surrounding the rig & skimming in that confined area, or is oil constantly floating up from under the rig making this not possible, or is this precaution not necessary?
The oil is being released 5,000' and 3,500' down and deep water currents carry it in one consistent direction.
My GUESS, just position the rigs "upstream" of the spill. Relief #1 will be a half mile away.
Alan
E -- Very little chance of those types of problems having any real impact. The high risk part comes when they intersect the original hole. They know they’ll be tapping directly into high pressure oil/NG flow. They be prepared as best as possible. Almost always works without killing someone. Almost always.
I posted this link (referenced by Papa Ray) on HO's technical thread: www.drillingahead.com has a radio interview with a survivor from the rig. Seems to be the real deal. He addresses some of the issues regarding relief efforts. Recommended listening (adobe alert).
I have heard estimates of the volume of oil flowing from this mess from 1000bbl/day to 110,000. That is a huge range, and it would be helpful to know how these figures are arrived at.
How much can be determined from the size of the oil slick and the rate it is expanding?
Does the slightly heavier nature of this oil play into these calculations?
How thick is the oil slick at this point, and could it thin out and expand greatly as it does so? Is that what happened with the dramatic tripling of the size of the slick in just a few days?
Is it possible that the rate (whatever it may be now) could increase greatly?
Is pollution of the Atlantic and Mediterranean possible? Likely? The Arctic?...
This post goes into a fair amount of detail regarding the calculations & assumptions:
http://blog.skytruth.org/2010/05/gulf-oil-spill-new-spill-rate.html
CNN has this statement embedded in their article titled:
Officials warn of potential catastrophe from Gulf of Mexico oil spill
By the CNN Wire Staff
May 2, 2010 11:38 a.m. EDT
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/02/oil.spill.government/index.html?h...
There seems to be a very real possibility that this spill could enter the Gulf Stream and come up the East Coast into the Atlantic Ocean...
Spreading oil spill could threaten East Coast
Looks like I might be diving under the slick soon to check on our coral transplants. I'm heading up to Palm Beach this weekend to talk with the folks at Reef Rescue,to see what if anything I will be able to do personally!
I'm not getting the sense that too many people comprehend the magnitude of the potential environmental disaster that we are looking at here. Most people are still concerned with clean looking beaches. They don't understand long term toxic effects on wetland and marsh ecosystems. They think dispersants and detergents are solutions... @#$%^&!!!
To say I am very upset at all this would be the epitome of understatements!
Oh great, the Europeans are ticked at America for having received toxic assets through faulty sub-prime financial engineering. Now, are they set to receive another stream of toxic assets through faulty sub-marine petroleum engineering.
Suddenly, the North Atlantic is a very small pond indeed. There was a time when America viewed the ocean as big enough to keep itself isolated from the troubles in Europe. Didn't work then. Looks like the story is about to be told again only this time in reverse.
The Brits demanded "Cash, AND LOTS OF IT !" from the Icelanders.
The Icelanders understood that the British wanted "ASH ! And LOTS of it !"
from an Icelandic eMail to me,
Alan
Well, the Icies told the Brits to just "KISS MY ASH!"
One version of the joke, as I saw it, went like this:
Iceland: Here's that ash you wanted, Britain!
Britain: Ash? ASH? My airspace is shut down! WHY ARE YOU SENDING ME ASH?!?!
Iceland: Well, you asked for "cash" and as we have no 'c' in Icelandic, we tried to respond as best we could.
Let's see:
A Brit outfit is the contractor.
A Swiss rig was doing the drilling
A Dubai outfit did the cement job (Halliburton to moved their HQ)
Nothing isolates anyone in this incident.
I known lots of crude residue remains just under the soil and rocks in Prince William Sound 20+ years after the Valdez spill. It is hanging around longer than expected. Is that just because those waters are so cold? Or does the shee volume of the release insure much crude will lay just under the top layer of sediment for a long, long time?
I see oil going into the Atlantic as an absolute certainty now. Likely within two weeks.
Alan
Hi to everyone:
Brand spanking new here, and after putting out my query on DKos without luck, followed by searching for the term "tectonic plate" on all recommended articles for newbies without results, here goes:
For those who also dare to put on the I'm-not-a-scientist beanie, or any who are and can comment, lately I've been observing plate tectonics.
My interest was piqued when a friend observed that the Iceland Eyjafjallajökull volcano, the Baja earthquake and Haiti all lie along the limits of the North American plate, the volcano being on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.
So every other day or so, I began looking at this world map in general, and this animated map of California in particular, and have been rather amazed at tectonic plate activity surrounding the North American plate as opposed to most of Africa, Russia, South America (exception being the Pacific Coast) and most other areas, save the "Ring of Fire":
I find various information corroborating either extreme point of view, some sources saying that tectonic adjustments (earthquakes/volcanos) are accelerating, others maintaining that the answer is no, or that basically "everything is equal always:"
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If anyone out there can share info and links, I'd be grateful, and another thing is how this gusher/oil volcano is going to affect tectonic plate pressures. I can't help but believe all things are related, but then again my searches are not turning up much information on the relationship of the Gulf gusher to its home tectonic plate. Perhaps that's just because this event is so recent.
Any thoughts, anyone? Will this gusher radically affect the already apparent instability of the North American plate?
We pump 80+ million barrels/day of oil + natural gas already. Another 100,000 b/day will make no difference.
Alan
stoney -- Sorry but just time for a very short answer: the two geologic worlds you refer to are extremely distant from each other. They don't interact on the scale you describe.
SM, the continental plates are anywhere from 16 to 56 miles deep. The hole that leads to this "gusher" is small... maybe 6 to 8 inches or so I guess, and it is nowhere near the margins of the NAP. There would be no way it would create or add to any instability.
The NAP is moving, as are all the continental plates. It is the motion of the plates that create earthquakes, and when an oceanic (or another continental) plate dives under another one, that causes uplift (which folds into mountains), and near the margin it creates volcanoes. None of this means that the North American Plate is particularly instable.
Actually, Iceland is on the mid-Atlantic Ridge, where the seabed of the ocean is spreading apart, and not on the NAP at all. The mid-oceanic ridge is another volcanic hot spot, The "Ring of Fire" is actually only on the west coast of the Americas, not on the East, plus of course following around the Aleutian Islands to Japan, eastern Asia and Indonesia. The edges are where the plates come together, and that makes volcanos and causes earthquakes.
Earthquakes and volcanoes are natural events, and deal with enormous energies and masses. I have seen nothing to indicate that they are accelerating or decelerating at the present time. And, BP did nothing that could influence these events. Not a free pass to BP by any stretch; what they have done is environmentally harmful. Just not geologically so.
Craig
Have a look at any tectonic plate map, try this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plates_tect2_en.svg
The mid-Atlantic ridge IS the easternmost extreme of the NAP. Consistent with every tectonic plate map I've seen, every time.
Which is not to say oil gushers in the Gulf mean one thing or another, just that indeed these extreme recent events do border the NAP.
Please have a look over a period of time at the map I linked on previous post. Indeed nothing is "rocking and rolling" as much as the NAP.
SM - there has been some suggestions at blogs that a small nuke could be used to fuse the leaking well. That might be a concern for plate tectonics given the proximity to the carribean plate which we know is unstable. Straw that broke the camels back for NAP, SAP, Nazca and Carribean ????
I take everything I read on the net with a "grain of salt these days however"
Hi EL, yes I saw that, and mind you, I'm no scientist, just an ardent hobbyist here, but after reading about tectonic plates and their gradual break-up into smaller ones, I have wondered if what looks like the largest of them all - the NAP - isn't following nature's plan. Worrisome along those lines is the nature of the Grand Canyon and the Copper Canyon in Mexico ("what the Grand Canyon wants to be when it grows up"), both of which "point" towards the location of this oil volcano. I'm concerned that if they were insane enough to detonate a nuke, they might force a tectonic plate break-up already in progress.
My observation of this dates to the Iceland volcano incident, and I've been observing all the continents just to see whether the NAP indeed has more activity, and it certainly does. The Aleutian Islands and California have literally hundreds, even thousands of quakes a day (see initial post for links). They are simply trembling.
I hope it is just bad rumors, that they are considering nuking the NAP so close to the Copper Canyon.
Craig, hi
Here is a very good illustration of what Iceland is - a divergent boundary between tne North American and Eurasian plates: http://www.platetectonics.com/book/page_5.asp
I recommend reading Gulf Oil Spill Rate Must Be Much Higher Than Stated - 6 Million Gallons So Far? Additionally, follow the links to the satellite pics plus follow the math for the depth of spill versus area covered to get an approxiation of total oil spilled (which does not include any oil captured or burned off).
Estimates are running as high as 5000 barrels per day (210,000 gallons), well above the few thousand gallons per day initial estimates from BP. This is based on an estimated thickness of 1 micron average for the oil. But it may be much higher, as much as 10 microns, which would increase the flow by an order of magnitude.
Thanks for this. I am amazed that, here of all places, the flow rate has hardly been discussed. Is it that there are just too many uncertainties? Or is the possible worse case scenario just too hard to face? Some estimates go much higher now than even 5000 bbl/day.
My observation is the standard deviation of what people are saying the flow rate is, is higher than the standard deviation of the actual flow rate.
OK, statistics boy, explain for us what you mean by that, and how you have some crystal ball into what "the actual flow rate" is.
From reading and talking to people the estimates I've heard, even from professionals in industry, are everywhere from 'it will be contained within a week' to 'it will flow for 1-2 years and be largest ecological disaster of our species history'. My basic point, supported from reading blogs over the past 5 years, is that the human mind has a larger imagination than I originally imagined. Here's to hoping the spill gets contained soon AND we alter our consumptive trajectory...
I would suggest that your statement "from reading blogs over past 5 years" and "...that the human mind ..." are so far removed from scientific method that you must here by forsake your PhD prospects and take the previously offered position at GOldman Sax where that kind of logic thrives.
Good Day Sir!
assume you are still in Sweden.
Imagine. Very interesting word. I am a biologist. lived my almost 70 years in north Florida. Have spend many thousands of hours on the coast from the Perdido river to the Fennholloway. Know it about as well as anyone i know. Tonight i thought about the many hours spent on the front of a inshore boat traveling the numerous tidal creeks and bayou's of this vast area, observing the diversity of life, casting a mullet net, casting to red fish and specked trout. As i poured a stiff drink of Evan Williams tonight , i added one drop of gasoline, and imagined what the many other forms of our fellow life were beginning to experience. Many of the crabs, shrimp, fish, birds and multitude of creatures which inhabit this vast estuary are indeed threatened and likely doomed. TOD has done a marvelous job of monitoring the technical engineering aspects of this event and i now know and understand a little about what might have happened. Unfortunately, the real impact is not just on tourism, fishing, and other outdoor activities, the very life of this one of the most productive ecosystems on the earth is in jeopardy. We have finally done it. Our out of control imagination has "(obscenity)"ed up a major portion of our life support system. to paraphrase Aldo Leopole, "there are some people who can live without wild thing some who cannot. Wish i was in New Orleans tonight. I would buy a drink for the oil man, but add just one drop of gasoline. Then i would watch his face as he sipped it.
That drink should be served to every oil companay exec in the world before they start their next project...
Right now I'm at loss for words as I watch this spill unfold and possibly enter the Gulf Stream. The only words that I can come up with that I feel are appropriate would all get me banned from this site.
That is what most people have not yet grasped. Most people are thinking clean beaches and business, they don't have a clue what is really about to happen. I have been a doomer for a long time but this is the first time that I've really felt resigned to the possibility that my 15 year old son whose birthday is tomorrow will have to live in a very damaged and impoverished world. I'd like to buy a lot of those drinks with drops of gasoline for quite a few people right now!
Cheers!
FMagyar, you're not alone, my friend. This is one of the few events of recent note that is sickening me to the core. The words drummed into my head as a kid by my late parents, "you make your bed, you lie in it" meant to denote responsibility and ownership for one's own life, now seem starker and darker in their implications and to cover a wider spectrum. I stand numb at the whole idea that wildlife, already struggling to survive, will face further challenges all the while, most of the people involved will place blame on corporations, governments, anybody else, while smugly oblivious to their complicity.
As I quoted a few days ago, "oil is our god", whether nominally Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, or atheist. And we all depend on oil to maintain our way of life with only perhaps the Amish or the Hutterites having no prior claim on the tragedy unfolding.
Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.
Hearing reports that turtles are washing up dead on the shore (with no apparent oil contamination) or that the bees have suffered yet another brutal winter holds little significance to a world made by man, owned by man, and obsessed by man. My spirituality, for what it's worth, tries to seek balance between mystery and mastery. We've done the mastery part just fine. We've really messed up on the mystery part. By so doing, we've flattened our universe and flattened ourselves.
This will be a lonely universe, a diminished universe, and far more dangerous universe without our fellow creatures by our side.
They paved paradise, they put up a parking lot.
I so much want to hear that the reports of spillage were/are exaggerated, that the experts will be able to do something to stem the flow, and that the damage is proved minimal. I hope for the best. I fear the worst.
Cheap energy has allowed us to live longer, move quicker, eat more, and surround ourselves with more stuff. All of which is good. But we ignore the fact that we are tissues of contradiction - living paradoxes - whose same capacity for good can also wreak havoc and evil. The nightmare we are now facing stems from that very same paradox.
'nuff said.
I know what you mean.
It's difficult enough to put into words the spiritual grief for sacred things destroyed and about to be, much less to do it where one will be predictably mocked as an airhead for feeling a deep connection to the earth.
But since you've mentioned it in this place, I'll add just a little: the death of a single dolphin by oil aspiration can be a horrific thing, taking days or longer with ever-more-tortured gasps. If you've held one in your arms until the end, you have no doubt a person has died in your arms. They are people by any rational objective standard of personhood, possessed of self-awareness, the ability to think abstractly, care for their extended families. They are aboriginals as we were for most of our existence on earth.
There are many dolphins in the gulf, though not so many as there once were. Some which aren't killed outright will die later of lipoid pneumonia, or opportunistic things like their lungs being eaten out by worms due to immune system breakdown, held to the surface by their family members until the end. There are whales with brains larger than ours who will die tortured deaths. Sea turtles whose species saw the dinosaurs come and go may not outlast the coming few decades. And webs of life, of wonder, we know little about and now never will.
The most popular movie of recent years was Avatar. No diver has to wonder where that magical world came from: the undersea communities, like the rainforests, are the nearest thing to actual treasure which may exist in this arm of the galaxy. The feelings of deep spirituality and joy which can come naturally to a non-jaded human mind in such a magic place are something to cherish in a mostly-barren universe.
And nothing could be sadder than outliving them, except perhaps deciding it's OK to outlive them.
Members of my extended family are dying now, and that is exactly how I experience it.
I'd like to be clear that I greatly appreciate the input of the oil industry people here; I used to be one of them a long time ago. Blaming those in the industry would be like blaming a surgeon for complications to a boob job. Bottom line, the customer owns the responsibility for requiring it be done in the first place.
One can be as glib as one likes about extinction being the natural order of things, about the natural world not being relevant except for seafood and a place to dump our wastes. And there are posters here who are proud of feeling that way. But this situation is shameful, and we should own that shame. All of us. We the preposterously wealthy did this for no good reason, and that's a fact.
Thank you.
Thanks for reminding us that we.ve done this to ourselves.
In three decades, I.ve seen the tuna schools disappear from all the oceans, chased by fleets of tuna clippers with helicopters. Gone for our lifetimes.
I've seen gorgeous fire corals turn to grey sticks. Sea birds have been decimated and beaches covered with algae mats from unprocessed sewage of tourists
Oh, yeah, we've done ourselves proud.
Strong language hardly conveys my anger
Anyone who has spent time on the Gulf, perhaps watched a school of Flying Fish break the surface and suddenly become a flock of silver birds, or explored the uppers of Apalatchicola Bay, or spent time in a canoe following the Manatees, should weep over this. I pity the fool that doesn't.
Exactly how I feel too!
However they are not going peacefully into that gentle night...they have been brutally murdered and tortured by greedy barbarian thugs who do not even have the capacity to fully grasp the consequences of their crime.
greenish, I will be in contact with you via email soon to commiserate...
I plan on spending some time out on the reef the next few days. My heart is definitely not into work right now. I feel I need some time to mourn our loss and think about how I will proceed and if I can leverage this tragedy in some positive way. I'd like to discuss criticality landscapes and steerage of collapse with you.
Be well!
cc: me if you do not mind.
Best Hopes for the Least Bad Way Out,
Alan
Sure thing Alan, though it may be a day or two before I start getting my thoughts together.
It takes me longer than that.
Alan
It is our species predilection towards abstractions combined with steep discount rates in both directions (we forget the past and can't act on the future until there is a crisis) that explains why neither conventional economics, nor even biophysical (resource based) economics can begin to properly value what you describe here.
Thanks for your thoughts and my condolences on your personal family situation...Take care my friend.
Nate,
Unless I have misunderstood what greenish is saying, that would be your/our personal family as well...at least judging from your previous posts.
Which is why I am truly in mourning myself.
I have the honor of posting a very special poem from one of my favorite all time poets.
http://digitalcuttlefish.blogspot.com/2010/05/louisiana-2010.html
Tuesday, May 04, 2010
Louisiana, 2010
They built a platform, and they start to drill
They didn't worry 'bout an oil spill
And if disaster comes, where does the oil go?
Millions of gallons in the Gulf of Mexico
We see the slick on top, but we don’t see beneath
See what it’s done to the fish,
what it’s done to the coral reef
The damage done may take us years to know
Millions of gallons in the Gulf of Mexico
Louisiana…. Louisiana….
You have had more than your share
You have had more than your share
Louisiana…. Louisiana….
You have had more than your share
You have had more than your share
The more we look around, the more it’s looking harsh
We’ll prob’ly lose the reef; prob’ly lose the marsh
We’ll see the shrimp die out; we’ll see the turtles go
Millions of gallons in the Gulf of Mexico
Give it a day or two, and it’ll hit the Keys
We’ll watch a wonderland,
we'll see it brought to its knees
Disaster up on top, disaster down below
Millions of gallons in the Gulf of Mexico
Louisiana…. Louisiana….
You have had more than your share
You have had more than your share
Louisiana…. Louisiana….
You have had more than your share
You have had more than your share
People everywhere, are asking who to blame
Think we ought to look in the mirror; that will give us one name
A boundless appetite, makes the oil flow
Millions of gallons in the Gulf of Mexico
Louisiana…. Louisiana….
You have had more than your share
You have had more than your share
Louisiana…. Louisiana….
You have had more than your share
You have had more than your share
Now all I need is someone who can sing...
By request, for Fmagyar, who is one of the many who will see the devastation firsthand--diving under the slick to check coral transplants.
Posted by Cuttlefish at 3:38 PM
rube
my dad took me to that area as a kid fishing, & he visited there for mullit runs a no. of times his later years.
i think of the everglades as i spent a winter out in the coastal area. so much life. i always thought you could probably scoop up a double handful & watch it a while & some form of life would spontaneously burst forth.
& greenish i had a dolphin there jump up & look me directly in the eye, with one of his/her- closeby as i was in a canoe. magical- seemed to say something & certainly gave me waves & forward momentum as i was in a couple of feet of water. a retired airline pilot later told me if i had given more -play signals it would have stayed longer.
thanks folks; sad.
helluva idea rube; one drop.
Where has that bright, optimistic, cheerfull, hopefull, blindingly intelligent Nathan Hagens gone and who is this imposter in his place.
I mean that in a nice way, you seem to have been a bit "down in the dumps" for some time now.
I'm still here (don't know about all those adjectives). Just extremely busy. Watching and analyzing what is unfolding around us is alot easier than preparing for whats next....
BP says it has slowed the oil leak
guess they retracted that.
D'oh.
Spotted this comment on the UK Telegraph website :
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jeremywarner/100005330/just-how-bad...
Any truth in this ?
This “accident” in my books was sabotage, pure and simple.
This rig is not the usual anchored variety, but a very high tech deep drilling rig that relied on maneuvering thrusters to position itself, constantly utilising GPS systems. The technology was of a very high order. What failed was a concrete casement supplied and fitted by Halliburton. In fact this design of concrete casing has already failed once before on a rig.
Mark my words there will be repurcussions on this attempt to damage British interests.
Damage British interests !?!
WTF !!!
The cost cutting and gutting of technical expertise started by LORD Browne may well destroy our fisheries for a decade AND destroy FOREVER the marshes that protect our cities !
God D*MM the Queen !
Alan
I have to apologise for my compatriot if he said that. We have our share of idiots like everywhere else. I am pretty sure that not many here are too concerned about the fate of BP, British pride in flagship companies pretty much died after they became uncaring multinationals.
Jesus, steady I supplied the quote there to ask if the faulty casings could be used as BP's scapegoat.
And keep your childish insults down where they belong.
Alan - You might take flack for that statement but i for one applaud you for your straight talk.
We are PCing our humanity away for the most part. Time to stand up.
You are a fool orbit!! There is just no other way to state it!!
I live in large state with a small population where BP is the biggest economic player on the scene. They are big buying on a couple TV slots to show how responsible a citizen they are while moving as much work as of their work as they can to the lowest wage paying subcontractors they can find--pretty much what all the global companies do. Your absolutely assinine statement just reinforces my personal observation (from watching major negotiations here from time to time) that the 'Britannia rules the waves' mindset lives on in BP's board room.
I don't as a Alabamian think much of our Attorney General, BUT this time he's done something good.
Full article at http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/bp_told_to_stop_circulating_se.html
Also a good interview today on Democracy Now with "Riki Ott, a marine toxicologist and a former commercial salmon fisherma’am from Alaska who experienced firsthand the devastating effects of the Exxon Valdez oil spill."
She addresses some of the ongoing problems the citizens of the Gulf will likely have based on her experience with the Valdez
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/3/bp_oil_spill_worsens_with_no
It also sounds like a rather blatent attempt to poisen the jury pool for the lawsuits that will be certain to follow.
Question 1 on Voir Dire: "do you have any interest in this matter?"
Answer by prospective juror: "I received $5K from BP."
Stricken.
Craug
yeah, great interview on DemocracyNow.org
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/oil-spill-to-hit-florida-_n_561...
Oil Spill To Hit Florida Keys: Will Hit Loop Current Within 24 Hours
http://www.findrentals.com/new_images/map_florida_keys_r1_c1.gif
Jeff Masters at Wunderground says it won't make it quite just yet.
Decent MSNBC coverage: How to stop the oil leak.
With all this intense focus on the BP offshore oil release, there hasn't been much noise here on TOD lately regarding our seemingly perpetual debate over whether renewables such as solar and wind power have a sufficiently favorable EROI, or EROEI to be considered worthwhile.
Well, anybody here care to speculate on what the EROI for BP's 2010 offshore oil production in the Gulf will calculate out to be when (and if) this whole mess is finally remediated?
(And some of our anti-wind people were no so long ago citing birds occasionally smacking into wind turbines as a major environmental threat that contributes to making wind power unacceptable. That now seems like a bad joke, doesn't it?)
Interesting angle there joule.
Take advantage of a catastrophe to try and slip in a bad idea to keep BAU going. You don't happen to be a neocon do ya?
Perhaps Joule was simply pointing out the irony of the energy situation.
eeyores enigma -
No comprendo.
And what exactly is this 'bad idea' that I am supposedly trying to slip in? That wind power is not as threatening to the environment as offshore oil drilling?
You assume that the only options are energy from oil or energy from "renewables". Not so, there is conservation and power down. Just imagine what a law requiring 4 people in every car could do.
My biggest beef with wind is not windmills, but massive installations of windmills. Until we set up massive anything we don't know what it will do, and once it has done something bad it might not be able to be corrected. Do we know how they might change weather patterns for instance? They are extracting energy from the weather system to turn into electricity. How much wind energy can we tap into before we mess up. We started burning fossil fuels without thinking about CO2 and now look at the mess we are in.
Couldn't we just head back to where we came from energy wise - was all living before the last 200 years so horrible that it would be better to be dead. We wouldn't be here if our ancestors had decided that eh? I guess they found some pleasure in life and since we are here we know that sex was good even before oil gushers.
oxidatedgem -
Expansion of renewables and conservation combined with a simpler life style are not mutually exclusive. In fact, conservation and a simpler life style are essential, because renewables are an inherently less dense form of energy than fossil fuels. So, if we do things right (and I am hardly optimistic that we will), it is just possible that we can preserve some semblance of modern civilization with renewables, albeit nowhere nearly as affluent as that of the US during the golden age of fossil fuel.
As far as going back to where we were 200 years ago, you've got to realize that some things are irreversible. The world's population was probably about a fifth of what it is now, and even then in many areas wood for domestic heating and cooking was becoming increasingly scarce. With that being the case in most of the developed Western countries, how do you propose people heat their homes in the US say 100 years from now when all the available coal and natural gas has become so scarce as to be unaffordable for the general population?
Furthermore, we've got one hell of a long way to go before we have to even begin to worry about wind turbines messing up the weather patterns.
CNN is conducting a poll (Quick Vote) on its website:
In view of the GoMex Oil Spill, should we continue the Drill Baby Drill policy?
60% of respondents are currently saying, Yes, you betch'ya
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/05/03/obama.oil.strategy/index.html
oil don't kill, people kill... or is that guns???
I get so confused...
What they are not saying is "the oil rig explosion could be an act of terrorism...."
Might better check the security of the other offshore rigs now.
"the oil rig explosion could be an act of terrorism...."
Is that the endless refrain being blasted from talk radio alreadY? God help us all!!
SB -- And think how that number will climb when gasoline hits $6 again.
These "polls" are meaningless. You can bet that the Moron Party of True Believers is working hard to stack the result.
I have not seen any info on what BP found here. How much pay was logged - pressures - DST's - how much did it flow and what??. I assume if this was a discovery all this was done. I would think it would be relevant in estiamting how much oil is leaking??
Not been made public (or leaked AFAIK).
Alan
The May 6, 6 AM oil spill forecast
http://www.wwl.com/Oil-spill-forecast-through-5-6-10/6957584
Alan
BP economic liability limited
http://www.wwl.com/Federal-law-may-limit-BP-liability/6955795
Federal fund, from industry fees, has $1 billion/incident
Alan
PS: BP is paying just $10/hour for r volunteers helping with the clean-up.
I am upset about that northward flow of oil also, Alan, but what really scares me is the southward drift towards the loop current. If the spill hits that, then President Obama may find oil on the beaches of Virginia and Maryland eventually, especially if this thing is gushing as much as Dr. Ian McDonald thinks (in excess of 26,000 barrels per day).
Gail:
Good post. One thing that might be good to include are links as an answer to the question: "What can I do to help" (With bird rescue, etc.) Here is one resource to get you started:
Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill: How to Help
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We have distribution in Nigeria and seek to explore relationships with food importers & distributors in the US. Our labeling is attractive, pricing very moderate. As producers we are also a guaranteed source of supply.
I would like to express my appreciation to the owner and members of this forum for the opportunity to join and I look forward to participating in it with you.
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Date of First Delivery: By agreement in Contract Delivery Method: Bulk by vessel, ship to tank ETC DELIVERY TIME ......3 TO 5 WEEKS SAMPLES DELIVERY TIME ......WITHIN 48 HOURS Packing: IN CUSTOMER PREFFERED METHOD Price:$250 USD per Metric Ton,
Payment:L/C, T/T ( Bank Transfer ), WIRE TRANSFER Inspection:
The quality and Quantity of Goods will be confirmed for each shipment on a certificate issued by the SGS at discharge port at buyers account which shall be binding on both parties in all respects.
Specification Testing
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Water and Sediment, vol.% per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Cloud point, °C per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Acid number, mg KOH/gm per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Free glycerin, % mass per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Total glycerin, % mass per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Testing
Visual appearance ASTM D 4176 Procedure 2 2 max (outlet sample)
If a diesel fuel tank outlet sample has been taken, it shall be tested for moisture and sediment per D 4176. If moisture or sediment is detected in these samples, corrective action should be taken to remove the contaminants and the action documented. If multiple level samples are used to assure homogeneity, the specific gravity (D 1298) of each strata of the blended product should be determined. The range of results across the three samples shall be less than 0.006 and be visually examined for water, sediment and particulate matter by D 4176. If the product is out of specification then corrective action shall be taken including documentation. The outlet sample taken from the blend tank (when there is no activity over a thirty-day period) shall be tested for moisture and sediment using D 4176, Procedure 2. If out of specification, corrective action with documentation is required.
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Biodiesel Oil Per Metric Ton Cost :$400USD
Jatropha Oil Per Metric Ton Cost : $200USD
Vegetable Oil for .....USD200 Per Metric ton
Sessame Oil for .......USD200 Per Metric ton
Corn Oil for ........USD200 Per Metric ton
Vegetable oil for ....USD200 Per Metric ton
Soya bean Oil for .......USD200 Per Metric ton
Sunflower oil for ........USD200 Per Metric ton
RBD PalmOil for ...........USD200 Per Metric ton
Palm Oil for .........USD200 Per Metric ton
Rapeseed Oil for ...........USD200 Per Metric ton
safflower Oil for ..........USD200 Per Metric Ton
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SLCO-saudi light crude oil BLCO-bonny light crude oil .
Gasoline-gasoline Asphalt-asfalt betumen MAZUT-100, 75, 99, etc.
LPG-liquefied gas of petroleum LNG-natural gas Jet fuel-airplaine kerosene.
D-2-Diesel and Products Crude Oil.
SLCO Saudi Light Crude Oil.
SHCO Saudi Heavy Crude Oil .
ILCO Iranian Light Crude Oil.
IHCO Iranian Heavy Crude Oil.
BLCO Bonny Light Crude Oil.
OLCO Oman Light Light Crude Oil.
OBCO Oman Blended Crude Oil.
BLO Basra Light Crude Oil.
KLO Kurkok Light Crude Oil.
VLO Venezuelan Light Oil.
REBCO Russian Export Blend Crude Oil.
Refined Products, Gas Oil "EN-590".
RGD Regular Grade Diesel.
PGD Premium Grade Diesel (HSD).
SGD Super Grade Diesel.
Regular Petrol RON 87 Premium Petrol RON 93.
Unleaded Petrol RON 95.
Super Premium RON 97.
HFO Heating Fuel Oil.
HSFO High Sulphur Fuel Oil LSFO Low Sulphur Fuel Oil.
Kero Kerosene Bitumen.
Base Oil.
Mazut M-100 WW.
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WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVE A SOLID BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU IN THE NEAREST FUTURE.
Contact:
Mr. P. Vandebeeck
Managing Director
presco-plc-ng@live.com
+2348161191131
WE ARE DEALER OF OIL COMPANY,
WE SELL EDIBLE OIL.
WE SELL BIODIESEL FOR $400 USD PER MT.
WE SELL IN LARGE AND SMALL QUANTITIES
Contact:
Mr. P. Vandebeeck
Managing Director
presco-plc-ng@live.com
+2348161191131
We feel that olive oil consumers value a moderately priced, real extra virgin olive oil as an alternative to the poor quality, over priced products that have saturated the market but that are adulterated with pomade, seed or hazelnut oils.
At our website we provide an extensive 'Health/Fraud' resource page that documents the health benefits of extra virgin olive oil as well as the pervasive fraud that exists in the market. We also have a documentary style video on the 'Media' page that shows the the entire process from harvest to bottling to alphabetization.
We have distribution in Nigeria and seek to explore relationships with food importers & distributors in the US. Our labeling is attractive, pricing very moderate. As producers we are also a guaranteed source of supply.
I would like to express my appreciation to the owner and members of this forum for the opportunity to join and I look forward to participating in it with you.
WE ARE THE PRODUCER Quantity: Minimum order - 4 MT per shipment WE OFFER FREE SAMPLES BUT YOU ARE ONLY GOING TO PAY FOR FREIGTH TO YOUR DOORSTEP Maximum order - 25,000 MT per shipment
Date of First Delivery: By agreement in Contract Delivery Method: Bulk by vessel, ship to tank ETC DELIVERY TIME ......3 TO 5 WEEKS SAMPLES DELIVERY TIME ......WITHIN 48 HOURS Packing: IN CUSTOMER PREFFERED METHOD Price:$250 USD per Metric Ton,
Payment:L/C, T/T ( Bank Transfer ), WIRE TRANSFER Inspection:
The quality and Quantity of Goods will be confirmed for each shipment on a certificate issued by the SGS at discharge port at buyers account which shall be binding on both parties in all respects.
Specification Testing
Reduced specification testing shall include testing performed on the composite sample (except as noted) to each of the following limits:
Property Test Method Limits
Flash point, °C per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Water and Sediment, vol.% per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Cloud point, °C per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Acid number, mg KOH/gm per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Free glycerin, % mass per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Total glycerin, % mass per ASTM D 6751 per ASTM D6751
Testing
Visual appearance ASTM D 4176 Procedure 2 2 max (outlet sample)
If a diesel fuel tank outlet sample has been taken, it shall be tested for moisture and sediment per D 4176. If moisture or sediment is detected in these samples, corrective action should be taken to remove the contaminants and the action documented. If multiple level samples are used to assure homogeneity, the specific gravity (D 1298) of each strata of the blended product should be determined. The range of results across the three samples shall be less than 0.006 and be visually examined for water, sediment and particulate matter by D 4176. If the product is out of specification then corrective action shall be taken including documentation. The outlet sample taken from the blend tank (when there is no activity over a thirty-day period) shall be tested for moisture and sediment using D 4176, Procedure 2. If out of specification, corrective action with documentation is required.
WE SELL PER METRIC TON(MT)
Biodiesel Oil Per Metric Ton Cost :$400USD
Jatropha Oil Per Metric Ton Cost : $200USD
Vegetable Oil for .....USD200 Per Metric ton
Sessame Oil for .......USD200 Per Metric ton
Corn Oil for ........USD200 Per Metric ton
Vegetable oil for ....USD200 Per Metric ton
Soya bean Oil for .......USD200 Per Metric ton
Sunflower oil for ........USD200 Per Metric ton
RBD PalmOil for ...........USD200 Per Metric ton
Palm Oil for .........USD200 Per Metric ton
Rapeseed Oil for ...........USD200 Per Metric ton
safflower Oil for ..........USD200 Per Metric Ton
We are producing and selling the following products and more.We sell on per metric tons.
REBCO-Russia exportable blend crude oil .
SLCO-saudi light crude oil BLCO-bonny light crude oil .
Gasoline-gasoline Asphalt-asfalt betumen MAZUT-100, 75, 99, etc.
LPG-liquefied gas of petroleum LNG-natural gas Jet fuel-airplaine kerosene.
D-2-Diesel and Products Crude Oil.
SLCO Saudi Light Crude Oil.
SHCO Saudi Heavy Crude Oil .
ILCO Iranian Light Crude Oil.
IHCO Iranian Heavy Crude Oil.
BLCO Bonny Light Crude Oil.
OLCO Oman Light Light Crude Oil.
OBCO Oman Blended Crude Oil.
BLO Basra Light Crude Oil.
KLO Kurkok Light Crude Oil.
VLO Venezuelan Light Oil.
REBCO Russian Export Blend Crude Oil.
Refined Products, Gas Oil "EN-590".
RGD Regular Grade Diesel.
PGD Premium Grade Diesel (HSD).
SGD Super Grade Diesel.
Regular Petrol RON 87 Premium Petrol RON 93.
Unleaded Petrol RON 95.
Super Premium RON 97.
HFO Heating Fuel Oil.
HSFO High Sulphur Fuel Oil LSFO Low Sulphur Fuel Oil.
Kero Kerosene Bitumen.
Base Oil.
Mazut M-100 WW.
AND MANY MORE.............
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVE A SOLID BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU IN THE NEAREST FUTURE.
Contact:
Mr. P. Vandebeeck
Managing Director
presco-plc-ng@live.com
+2348161191131