...To Grandmother's House We Go: Peak Oil Is Here

This is a guest post by Glenn Morton, a geophysicist in the oil industry. For Kerr-McGee Oil and Gas Corp., Glenn served as Geophysical Mgr Gulf of Mexico, Geophysical Mgr for the North Sea, Dir. of Technology and as Exploration Director of China. Currently he is an independent consulting geophysicist, and you might know him as seismobob.

I have intentionally paraphrased this wonderful Christmas song because it has much to say about the future after peak oil which I am now ready to say has already happened. As energy declines, we will indeed go to our grandmother's house--one without electricity and running water, sewer or septic and deep, mechanically pumped water wells. At least that was MY grandmother's house. She lived on the Kansas prairies of the 1890s. In the 1960s I asked my grandmother what the greatest invention of her life had been. She said electricity because before they had lights, everyone went to bed shortly after sun down because it was simply too dark to do to much. There was no air conditioning, so the summers were very hot. In the winter, trips to the outhouse were cold (and brutally awakening if during the middle of the night). While she had wood where she lived, about 100 miles west of her home, people had to burn dung as is done in Tibet today. See the picture below of the dung plastered against the house. When one wants to cook, one retrieves a patty.

Without cheap energy, we go back to my grandmother's house or one quite like it...




Yes, folks, peak oil is here, that thing that politicians don't speak of; that event which cornucopians (those who believe that we will not run out of energy) believe is a fraud or misunderstanding is here. The cornucopians believe we are wrong because many have predicted that we would run out of energy before and have been wrong. What they lacked was the 20-20 that hindsight gives one. Today, we can see the peak behind us.

First, how do we recognize when peak oil is about to happen or has happened? The first thing is that it always comes with a gradual decline in production. Steep changes in production curves are due to political or economic decisions. Let's look at Saudi production from 2001 to the present. (NB: Click all graphics throughout this post to expand them to full size.)




The first thing we notice is that it is declining from January 2001 to January 2002. That is the recession resulting from the collapse of the tech stock bubble, causing a worldwide reduction in oil demand. The world then began to recover. In January, 2003 political events in Venezuela shut in that country's oil. We find this

"January 12, 2003: OPEC held its 123rd meeting to review oil markets in Vienna, Austria. OPEC decided to raise its production quotas from 23 million barrels per day to 24.5 million barrels per day, effective February 1, 2003, in order to ensure adequate supplies of crude in response to the oil supply shortfall in Venezuela" http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/opec.html

This was a short-lived, very steep increase in production, followed a couple of months later by a nearly equivalent sharp drop in production. This is not a sign of peak oil; it is a sign of political manipulation of production. The next thing we notice is the sharp rise in production in April, 2004. This was due to the rise of price above $40/bbl, a level which OPEC had previously thought would cause a recession. They opened the taps to try to damp down the price. What they didn't count on was that China's and India's consumption had taken off like a rocket because of their economic growth. The price continued to rise, showing that scarcity of oil had come.

After a year and a half of all out production, we see the first signs of decline, normal natural decline in the Saudi production. The plateau of production is followed by a gradual decline in output. One might be tempted to say that the decline in production was due to declining prices, but this isn't true for the period from Oct. 2005 until July 2006. The price rose but the production declined. The gradualistic tail on Saudi production is what an oil field decline looks like.

Just as I was finishing writing this page, I saw this report.

Nicosia, Sept 8: Saudi Aramco in its Annual Review 2006 said that last year the company's crude oil production declined by 1.7 percent, while exports declined by 3.1 percent, compared with the previous year.

Crude oil production in 2006 averaged 8.9 million barrels of oil a day (b/d) and exports 6.9 million b/d. (http://www.dailyindia.com/show/172345.php/Saudi-Aramco-reports-oil-outpu... ) To me, the interesting thing about this is that with a 3.1 decrease in exports, this means that there is a reduction of 266,000 barrels per day available to the rest of the world. Production doesn't really matter to the rest of the world. Only exports matter. If the Saudi's used all of their oil, there would be nothing left for us to use. This data confirms that their exports are decreasing faster than their production is decreasing.

Let's take another example, the United Kingdom.




From 1995 until 1999, the UK production was a plateau. But in mid-1999, the monthly production began to gradually decline. I moved to the UK in August 2001, looked at the curves and told a colleague and fine geologist, Steve Daines, that the UK had peaked production. He disagreed. We made a bet for a lunch that at the end of 2000, the UK would produce no more than 130,000 tonnes of oil. I took below that figure, he took above. Instead of a lunch, he and his wife had me and my wife over for a wonderful Malaysian dinner cooked by his beautiful Malay wife. We ate that meal with gusto along with a Turkish couple, that they knew. The sad thing was that the UK production decline has continued even into this year. When I left the UK, I told one young geologist that if she wanted to have a career in the oil business, she was going to have to leave the UK. While that day hasn't come for her yet, it will. No one will pay geologists to manage fields that aren't producing. The above curve is what peak oil looks like for a country--a plateau followed by a gradual decline that is inexorable.

Now that we know what peak oil looks like, lets look at the current global production of both black oil (crude) and Total Liquids (crude plus condensate--a liquid that comes out of natural gas wells which is usually clear).




What we see here is that following the post-911 recession, there is the ramp up of production to supply the increasing demand from China and India. By late 2004, the rate of increase in world crude production (blue curve) slowed, reaching a peak of 74.3 million barrels per day in May 2004, marked by an arrow. The trend from that time has been down, gradually I would admit, but down none the less.

So, why do I call this the peak of world crude production? Isn't it possible that new production will come on line and lift that number above the 74.3 million bbl/day? Possible, barely, probable, no. Why? All the world's biggest fields are in decline, and they produce a large percentage of the world's oil. We saw Saudi Arabia's production, and that represents 10% of world oil. So, we know that 10% of the world's oil in in decline. But the Saudi's are the second largest producer. Russia, the largest producer of oil, is, at best, flat in production now. The U.S. is the third largest producer of oil (something that surprises everyone) and we have been declining in oil production for 30 years. These three countries account for 28% of the world's production, all in decline.

Mexico has the 3rd largest oil field and that one field represents 2/3 of its crude production. It is in decline, plummeting 20% last year. The UK, Norway, Indonesia, Oman and China are all in production declines. The only places on earth that are undergoing significant increases in crude production are Angola, Kazakhstan and Brazil. Kazakhstan will always be limited to the size of the pipeline it has available. Pipelines have fixed capacity.

Given all this, it is hard to see how the future is going to bring forth vast new quantities of daily production.

Another objection: Above I said that peak oil was a plateau followed by a decline. Could we be in the plateau of world production? Yes, that is certainly possible but for the reasons I list above, the current levels of production simply can't be maintained. Annually, the world loses 5 million bbl/day of productive capacity. The curve above shows that we are not adding to world productivity rates even 5 million bbl/day per year of productive capacity since 2005, which would have keep us absolutely flat.

Now, one other thing makes me think that this is the peak of world crude production. The price response in relation to the supply. Usually if price is going to bring forth new supplies from OPEC (who supposedly has all these vast untapped oil fields just waiting to be turned on), it would happen in sharp steps. The Saudi's have not increased production since late 2004 or early 2005. Yet, because the price has gone up from that time, if they had the oil, they could have made lots and lots of money. But they don't seem to be able to take additional advantage of the oil price. In spite of high prices, indeed, increasing prices, no one on earth seems to have the excess capacity sell more oil into this rising price environment. Given the past history of cheating on the part of the OPEC members, the lack of new supplies coming to market must say something important about its availability

Another interesting feature is the total liquids curve (the red curve). This is both black oil plus the clear condensate from natural gas wells. This curve also seems to have peaked, but peaked a year later, in July 2006. Thus, we are 2 years out from peak crude oil, but only one year out from a probable peak liquids.

What are the implications?

The most important thing we need to know is the rate of decline, which of course, we don't know and won't know for a while. We can delimit it a bit. a 1 million bbl/day decline from May 2005 until May 2007 represents approximately a .75% decline per year. Hardly something to worry about right? The first year of UK decline was only about .5%. The second year of decline was 9%, but then, the UK is a much smaller place than the world, so it is unrealistic to expect the world to follow precisely the UK pattern of decline. We can expect the world crude production to decline much faster in the next few years than it is right now. How fast remains to be seen, but even a 5% decline will mean that in 10 years we will be producing only 60% of what we do today! Instead of having 85 million barrels per day of total liquids, we would only have access to 50 million barrels per day.

Driving

Clearly that kind of restriction in oil supply means that either mass transit must come to America as it is in China, or we must only go to work 3 days per week. In 10 years, having only 60% of the oil we have today means 40% less driving for everyone. Going to work only 3 days per week, would mean the destruction of the economy. Most jobs can't be handled across the internet. How does one do the job of grocery store stocker by telecommuting? Even today though, the relatively mild oil prices we have experienced have altered the driving habits of the American public. I sent this chart to a friend last summer. The chart shows the change in mileage driven on US highways from last year. If we drive more this year than last year, the number will be positive; if we drive less, then the number is negative. As you can see, the response to the rise in the price of oil (green curve) has been that for the first time in 27 years Americans are driving less than the previous year. The last time this happened was during the Iranian hostage crisis!




Expect more of this in the future.

Another implication is that automakers shouldn't make gas guzzlers. Those old enough to remember the Iranian hostage crisis, when everyone had to take turns getting gasoline on alternate days, knows a bit of what it will feel like. Back then, people stopped buying big cars. The V8 went out of style in the 1970s; it was too expensive. I expect the Hummer will meet a similar fate.

Suburban sprawl won't work

American cities will need to restructure to be more like European cities, where one can walk to the stores. In Aberdeen, Scotland, most Aberdonians shopped daily because they had tiny refrigerators. But that didn't matter, if they forgot something, they could walk to the store in about the same time it takes me to drive to the store here.

Flying

Flying will become like it was when I was a child--the province of the rich. I did not get on a commercial jet until I was 25 years old. My children grew up with flying and have seen far more of the world than I have at an equivalent age. But, as oil prices rise, fuel costs will bury many airlines. As far as I know, I own no airline stocks either directly or indirectly through mutual funds. They are not going to have a growing clientele as energy costs go up. We have already seen one of the impacts of the energy costs to this sector. Years ago, I was speaking with my wife's brother-in-law who used to work with Boeing. Boeing had made the choice to go energy efficient with their planes, while Airbus had decided to go BIG. I told my wife's brother-in-law that Boeing had made the correct choice. This is from a Business Week web site:

"Instead, the show could highlight a growing list of woes at the company, based in Toulouse, France. On June 1, Airbus acknowledged that the first deliveries of the A380 will be delayed up to six months, from mid-2006 until early 2007, due to unspecified production difficulties. Then Emirates airlines, which had been expected to announce a big order for the A350 at the air show, said it was not ready to make a decision. Airbus sales chief John J. Leahy, who said earlier that he might announce more than 100 orders for the A350 in Paris, now says big orders could come "a week or two after."

Has Airbus lost its mojo? The past few months have been rough. Boeing, after trailing Airbus on orders for the past three years, has racked up 255 orders as of the end of May, compared with only 196 for Airbus. Even more worrisome, Boeing's new 787, which boasts better fuel efficiency thanks to lightweight composite materials and next-generation engine design, is proving a hit with airlines. They have placed orders and commitments for 266 of the jets, while Airbus has yet to announce a major deal for the competing A350. Meanwhile, the A380's order book has been stuck at 154 since last year." Why Airbus is Losing Altitude," June 20, 2005, http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_25/b3938069_mz054.htm

And a more recent news source notes that Boeing has won 706 orders for its Dreamliner while Airbuss has only 154 for the A350. Energy is king in the airline industry, even if a government run airplane manufacturer thinks they can change the laws, both of the land and of physics.

Food

One percent of world energy use goes to fertilizers. High energy prices will affect fertilizer use. Indeed, we can see that now. This is a plot of inflation adjusted oil price divided by 100 (so it will fit on the same chart) with the barrels of oil equivalent energy of fertilizer applied per acre of wheat. One can see that when oil prices are high, fertilizer use is low; and vice versa.




Few city people know that an acre of wheat has 1.3 million wheat plants--a density hard to achieve if one is throwing seed by hand. Corn is sown at 30,000 plants per acre. Such densities require mechanical sowers. To sow corn at these densities by hand would require 42 hours (5 seconds per seed). This kind of puts into perspective the utility of energy for our tractors. If the price of oil goes up, there will be fewer bushels per acre because of the combined effects of less mechanization and less fertilizer. Now clearly for a while efficiencies will help. People will figure out how to apply fertilizer more effectively; but eventually not having fertilizer will come into play.

I am fond of citing a little known fact I got from a Walter Youngquist article. Mechanization allows a farmer to spend 4 hours per acre and produce 160 bushels of corn per acre. Back in the 19th century, it was 500 hours per acre an 30 bushels of corn per acre. This of course brings an interesting conundrum to those expecting corn-based ethanol to fuel the world. Without petroleum-based fertilizers, there won't be enough corn to feed us much less fuel the world. A five fold drop in corn yields would leave many in the world starving.

It is unlikely that we will be able to have air-shipped strawberries from Argentina in the winter, so food will once again become seasonal, like it was in my childhood before globalization.

Water

Water and food are entirely linked. Without water, many crops won't grow, but we also need water to drink. A few weeks back the Wall Street Journal gave a couple of interesting facts about farming in India.

"Since the 1990s, India has been a major net exporter of rice, shipping nearly 4.5 million tons last year.
"But annual yield increases began to slow over the past decade. Farmers cranked up fertilizer and water use, draining the water table. Many began planting two crops a year, taxing the soil. Punjabi area officials discouraged farmers from planting two crops and in some places outlawed it, but many farmers ignored them."
"I'm doing mischief against the government,' concedes Kanwar Singh, a second rice crop recently on a stretch of flooded land near the northern India city of Karnal. He says he now has to pump water from 300 feet below the surface, compared with 70 feet 10 years ago." 'In a year or two, maybe it will be finished,' he says." Patrick Barta, "Feeding Billions, A Grain at a Time," Wall Street Journal, Saturday/Sunday July 28-29, 2007, p. A10

and

"Lakhbir Singh, 35, this year planted aerobic rice for the first time. He says his costs have tripled over the past decade. His well was about 60 feet deep 10 years ago; now, it's down to 450 feet, and he has to use a special submersible engine to help haul the water to surface. The health of his soil has deteriorated, so he's using more fertilizer." Patrick Barta, "Feeding Billions, A Grain at a Time," Wall Street Journal, Saturday/Sunday July 28-29, 2007, p.A10

One simply MUST have energy to pull that water up from depths of 300 to 450 feet. Without it, there will be no water. Which raises the question, what will these poor guys do when the electricity isn't there to run their pumps?

But this isn't a problem for poor Indian farmers. When the electricity is off, the water pumps, which pump water out of deep wells will not be running. That means that agricultural irrigation will be interrupted. That means that city water supplies won't flow either. Both wells and surface water systems require electricity to move the water from source to your favorite drinking fountain.

Energy source

Another implication is that coal will have to play a larger role in the US energy budget over the near term. We can use coal to make diesel, electricity and thus mitigate, for a while, the coming problems. Coal can be used to manufacture fertilizer and avoid the problems (for a while) cited immediately above. We will use coal or our economy will not function. We will simply have to lose our aversion to coal and the CO2 it produces. I have asked many greens this question: If it comes to a choice between your child freezing in the dark or burning coal, which would you choose. I have yet find one so pure to their principles that they tell me they would let their kid freeze in the dark of a winter night. They all will burn coal to keep warm. Having lived in a society (China) where coal is the major source of energy, the smog is almost unbearable. There were days I could taste the sulfur in my mouth as I walked to work in Beijing. But we are no different than they. Their choice is also one of burn oil or have no heat in the winter or cooked food. The only alternative would be to chop down all the trees (which has almost been done in wide areas of China).

Yesterday there was an article in the Wall Street Journal talking about the coming electricity problems for Texas. Due to the success of the Greens at stopping TXU from building coal-fired power plants, in 3-4 years, Texas will probably start having similar problems to those California is having. California, and now Texas, stupidly decided that we would rather freeze in the dark rather than burn coal. We get 60% of our electricity from fossil fuels, coal, oil and natural gas! The decisions we make today will have immense impacts on your ability to go to work (how is your computer going to function without electricity? Do you really want to be able to drink water from the fountain on your 27th story office? Won't you just love walking those 27 stories each morning to get to work, which will put you in great shape if you don't have a heart attack during that first month of climbing). I suppose deodorant sales will increase in such a situation.

Conclusion

I will finish with personal story from my life overseas. When I lived in the UK, I saw what happens when the oil is shut off. In Sept 2000, the lorry drivers blockaded the refineries. My wife and I were brand new in the UK and driving back from a play in Aberdeen one night, we saw huge lines at the petrol stations. We wondered what was going on, but we drove on home not wanting to be in such long lines anyway. Unfortunately, those people in line, knew that the refineries had been blockaded, I didn't. By the time we realized it, the petrol was gone. That led to many interesting experiences. In one week, the food on the store shelves was gone. By two weeks, police and fire and ambulance were having trouble responding. Farmers were about to have to slaughter chickens because they couldn't get feed after only 2.5 weeks. Construction sites shut down. I learned through that experience that a society has about 3 weeks after the oil is shut off. Food ceases to moveinto the cities.

How can economic growth continue if each day into the future we have less energy than we had the day before??? This is a historic moment in human history. For the first time in 10,000 years, we have less energy than we had yesterday. And that will continue into the foreseeable future.

A well written piece.

FF

Yes indeed a well written paper. However on the mention of food, you forgot one important factor everyone is forgetting. A paper was written on "Assessing Terrestrial Ecosystem Sustainability" by Mohan K Wali et al at Ohio State U in Nature & Resources Oct-Dec 1999 pg 21. And it states:

As temperature rises, photosynthetic activity in plants increases until the temperature reaches 20 C. The rate of photosynthesis then plateaus until the temperature hits 35 C , where upon it begins to decline until at 40 deg C photosynthesis ceases entirely. Since we here in southern ontario Canada live in the heart of corn and diary farming, it will be interesting to see the fall harvest crop reciepts and volumes.

On a personal note, we planted 40 peaches and cream corn stalks and watered(rain barrels) religiously every night and only harvested 15 cobs of corn. Every plant in the garden didn't to good except the carrots and the spinach. Yet we have smashed record high temps all summer 32 - 38 C.

20C 68F
35C 95F
40C 104F

increase, plateau, decline, familiar words?
Regards
OCB

There are some awesome wineries in Ontario. My husband and I spent a few days in Niagara on the Lake and toured some of the wineries. I was stunned at how good the wines are!

Interesting about the corn and spinach. I have a very intensive garden plot in Washington DC; I'd have rain barrels (but they don't work in a drought).

This year I had lots of spinach and almost no corn. No peaches from my two super dwarf peach trees although I'm not sure if that was due to the heat, lack of water, or lack of bees.

I've heard others (500 miles north in New England) with similar stories.

Bob in DC
~live sustainably~

Great post.

I remember my grandpa once telling me when I was a kid, that he hadn't even seen money until he was about 15 years old. I remember asking him about that and realized that he lived on a farm, they did not pay income or property tax in 1890. He did not have electricity, no telephones, no cable TV. The heating they did was from chopping wood, and the water they got was from a hand pumped well. They kept pigs and no cattle. They had no cars, no tractors. Their plows were pulled with horses. They kept seed stock and no fertilizers except manure from the pigs. They grew potatoes and roots for winter. They kept the animals and killed them as they needed meat. No refrigeration. They cut blocks of ice for cooling, they had root cellars. What need of money did they have. The parents for sawmills, milling or whatever. But think of the bartering they must have done then.

So, its back to grandmothers house. Sort of like the Saudi proverb. My grandfather rode a camel, I drove in a car, my son flies airplanes. His son will ride a camel.

Thank you I tried to say this to FF, but I will comment on the other posts.

True that photosynthesis has temperature curve, it also has a CO2 curve. I for one, am less worried about global warming (the Cretaceous had 2500+ ppm in its atmosphere and the world continued), and along the east coast of the US is a strand line (old beach) which lies 30 feet above present sea level and it was formed within the past million years. I don't think there is much threat of Canada experiencing, like Dallas, TX, did, 69 straight days above 100 C.
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then you're wrong.

The Arctic regions of the planet are heating much faster than the equator, just as the models predict.

Canada will get hotter. And fast. If Chicago can have weeks at 100 *Fahrenheit* (-- which is what I presume you meant, not 100 C?), then so can Toronto.

I think the Cretaceous number is not relevant to the debate. Human beings weren't alive in the Cretaceous, and we don't know what the surface temperature was. The Permian Extinction took place at c. 1000ppm. There's enough sub-permafrost methane out there to do it again.

30' on the sea level looks like something that might be achieved in the next 50-100 years-- some suggestion even faster. The data from Greenland is absolutely shocking, and so is what the British Antarctic Survey is coming back with.

But in a sense it's irrelevant, because it's the storm surges which are going to be the real threat. that and the mass extinctions.

The Colony Bee disorder is reminding us just how dependent we are on an intricate web of life, that we do not fully understand.

I am wrong about what? I said the world is heating up. I think you would agree with that.

I am not wrong about the Suffolk Strandline

"The Suffolk strandline at 20-30 ft altitude, extends
discontinuously from New Jersey to the eastern Gulf coast, with a
mapped extent, including gaps of at least 800 mi. The plain
extending eastward from it is covered with sediments (Cape May
formation, Pamlico formation) containing a marine fauna recording
temperatures higher than those of today. At. At four localities
these sediments overlie a zone of rooted tree stumps (cypress and
cedar), showing that the Suffolk sea was preceded by a sea level
lower than the Suffolk and possibly lower than that of today.
Radiocarbon dates on wood from two of these localities imply that
the pre-Suffolk low sea level antedates the last major glacial
maximum."~Richard Foster Flint, Glacial and Pleistocene Geology,
(New York: John Wiley and Sons, 1957), p. 266,267

The Cretaceous (not to mention the early Tertiary) is relevant because it shows that the world's biosphere will handle that kind of CO2. I am not wrong about it having an extremely high CO2 content of the atmosphere. http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/99/12/7836

I would also point this out:

" The first evidence of C4 biomass
being a significant part of local ecosystems in the Old World
is about 7 to 8 my. Carbonates from preserved paleosols in
Africa, Asia, and Europe older than 8 my have del 13 C values
from about 10 to 12 permil. Figure 7 and table 2 show that
there are compatible with a maximum P(CO2) level of about 700
ppmV." Thure E. Cerling, "Carbon Dioxide in the Atmosphere:
Evidence from Cenozoic and Mesozoic Paleosols," American
Journal of Science, 291(1991):377-400, p. 394
P(CO2)
Miocene Pakistan <700
Miocene E. Africa <400
Eocene Wyoming <600
L. Cretaceous Texas 2500-3300
Spain 1600-2600
U. Triassic/
l. Jurassic New Haven 2000-3000
New Haven 2500-4200
Fundy Rift 3000-6000
Thure E. Cerling, "Carbon Dioxide in the Atmosphere: Evidence
from Cenozoic and Mesozoic Paleosols," American Journal of
Science, 291(1991):377-400, p. 394

The problem is that people don't know geologic history very well. They think the Roman Empire is old and everything relevant has happened during that time frame.

Today, Canadians are the largest per capita energy users on earth. A warmer Canada will make them more energy efficient.

I agree that we are dependent upon the intricate web of life which we do not understand. But it is interesting that you seem to implicitely believe that you do understand it because you are making predictions of what will happen. If we truly don't understand it, we can't make predictions. One can't have it both ways.

As to storm surges, when I was living in China and my wife still here in the US, we had a terrible hurricane season in 2005. I moved back in 2006 expecting a continuation of bad hurricanes. They aren't here.

One of my worries about this sight is a phenomenon I dubbed Morton's Demon (google it). It is a form of group think. It can fool one into beleiving almost anything. I worry that by reading the oil drum I am falling into a different form of group think. But, since numbers are semi-objective, and I can't get the energy numbers to work, I believe Peak oil is a problem. I am less worried about global warming, which is happening and which is at least partly due to human activities.

Many here will scream that I am a warming denier (akin to a holocaust denier). Group think denies others the right to be wrong so those who scream are affected by group think. Truth will allow someone to differ because truth knows that it will win in the end. This will be my last response on the topic of global warming.

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You state that Russias production is, at best, flat, while ending the sentence by conluding the 3 largest producers are in decline.

It wouldn't surprise me if Russia is indeed in decline right now, but it undermines the conclusion.

Edit: Great piece by the way, but I doubt oil-based deodorants will be affordable

"but I doubt oil-based deodorants will be affordable"

Put on your Phish and Grateful Dead records, it's time for Patchouli Oil...

Cutting consumption by 40% doesn't automatically mean commuting only three days a week. Since the 1970s, the distance that people travel to work has been slowly creeping up. A large chunk of the necessary future conservation is presumably going to come from people living nearer where they work.

Right. The biggest single improvement the average person can make in their energy use is to carpool or take transit to work. A reduced availability of gasoline will promote carpooling and transit before it promotes the three-day week.

Agreed, and going to motor scooters instead of huge-tire pickup trucks will also help.
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I have the Vespa GTS250ie. I am very happy with it. http://www.vespaportland.com/vespa_gts250.htm

It is well-built, gets about 70 mpg if you are conservative in your driving around town, but is capable of highway speeds. Insurance is about $160/yr. The price however, has crept up about 10% since I bought mine in June.

The financial markets in a sense are all built on a house of cards of CONFIDENCE. Is the recent turmoil the markets realising the fact but no one want to say those 2 words? OR// is the turmoil an undetected symptome of peak/flat oil production?

If we are told our economy is debt based and requires ever increasing growth and our 1 growth driver disappears, does that CONFIDENCE disappear. Maybe this is WHY the iron triangle is in collusion to play down/shut up peak oil - because they well know the fact.

Marco.

Our societies are built on a "house of cards of CONFIDENCE".

I depend on you an other drivers to stay on your side of the road.

I also have a shoulder harness, air bag, and insurance policy just in case not all of you do.

Pay attention to what is happening in the alternative energy and energy conservation part of the house. Oil is not the only answer.

Bob, I would sincerely like to be wrong in my assessment of the future. However, when I was a director of technology, my charge was to find the technologies my company needed and try to get them into the company. One of the things I looked at was replacements for oil. Every single scenario for energy source which I could find simply wouldn't work when the numbers were run. Either there was a limited (non-renewable fuel like uranium or coal), or we would have to use unreasonable amounts of the world's landscape for solar. I have heard people speak of using Gallium-Indium-arsenide solar cells having a 40% efficiency. That is fantastic. The only wee problem is that there isn't enough Gallium or Indium in the world to make many of them.

Therefore, I would ask that if you want me to pay attention to the alternative energy sources, run the numbers. Show that they have a chance of replacing oil.

Otherwise we may not need money in the future.

Glenn

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I don't have the background to run the numbers.

That said, there are two methods for achieving ~40% efficiency with solar. Gallium is one, multi-layer cells are another. I don't know if there is a shortage of materials for the latter approach.

That said, we seem to have thin-film solar shipping for under $1.50 per watt wholesale and are likely to have thin-film shipping for closer to $1 soon.

The "available landscape" issue is a non-issue. We wouldn't even need half the available rooftop space if we were to go totally solar with low efficiency panels.

And solar is not the only part of the solution. People get so off track by trying to make solar or wind or tidal or whatever the ONE answer. The answer is a mix, just as we mix coal, oil, nuclear, and hydro now.

BTW, I didn't even throw in thermal "towers". Recent number crunching found that we could supply all the US energy needs (I don't know if that included autos) in 92 square miles. That's a ten mile by ten mile space. Or maybe it would take more. But ...

"Do concentrating solar plants require a lot of land?

Relatively speaking, no. Consider the Hoover Dam. Lake Mead covers nearly 250 square miles. A concentrating solar power plant occupying only 10 to 20 square miles of land could generate as much energy on an annual basis as the Hoover
Dam did last year. Taking into account the land required for mining, concentrating solar power plants also use less land than coal power plants.

From a report on the solar towers now operating in California...

http://www.eere.energy.gov/solar/cfm/faqs/third_level.cfm/name=Concentra...

"we seem to have thin-film solar shipping for under $1.50 per watt wholesale and are likely to have thin-film shipping for closer to $1 soon "

A link ??? I am shopping for panels and have not found anything close to this

That's wholesale, large quantity purchases. You and I aren't going to be buying at that sort of price.

That information was posted on this site in the last 2-3 weeks. A search should turn it up.

I just bought some panels and the best price I could find was a bit over $5 per watt for "normal", not thin-film panels. Prices are up at the moment due to high demand and a manufacturing bottleneck.

When I bought my system about three years ago I was able to get the panels for a bit less than $4 per watt.

The system I set up in the early '90s? Over $8 (1991 dollars) per watt.

The panels I bought for my sailboat in the '80s? More than that....

Hi Bob,

First to refresh the minds of any readers. Bob had said that we should watch alternative energy and not be so worried. I asked Bob to run the numbers and show me how the alternatives were going to work.

He replied:

"I don't have the background to run the numbers."

Without trying to be too confrontational, Bob, Don't you find this a wee bit incongruous? I am a physicist by training, and I can run the numbers. You say you don't have the background to run the numbers, yet you are the one who says we don't have a problem. Do you find this even the least bit incongruous?

PS: I have run the numbers. I can't make them work.

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/Oilcrisis.htm

Hmmm. A physicist should know that there is plenty of nuclear fuel. Maybe you should go back to school.

Maybe you should.

Maybe it would dissuade you from being a jackass.

There's an infinite amount of oil at the right price too.

You obviously didn't learn that.

Maybe you need a few more degrees.

Good summary of the issues we face.

I don't think though that things will come as clear as you presented. It will be more interesting, paradoxical and irrational.

Pretty much like the GW science. The Globe is warming but there are a few things that won't work out exactly the way scientists are predicting. Mainly because we live in a very non-linear planet, where the connections are not understood very well.

Same goes for PO. Just how will Texas and California endure without coal? Perhaps it is best, not worse, for these states to endure the first shocks, as they are in the first row to conquer renewables. Will that effort be enough? I think it all depends to the timing of WTSHTF, barriers to development, renewables speed of scaling out.

There are too many variables. One could write an endless list of science fiction previsions on how it will exactly play out.

Even those who finger at the "star trek" hypothesis as "cornucopian" ignore that in the very star trek history, the 21st century meets famine, world war, economy destruction, total mayhem, before a new renaissance comes along. Of course, in ST, it all depended on the creation of the warp drive and meeting other races. I won't bet on that ;).

But, anything can happen. I think we live in the most extraordinary of times, because the future is really a blank sheet waiting to be writen. Or, in other words, it doesn't matter too much for history how many of the issues were that we faced, but how we face it.

Hope we face it the best we can.

Star Trek reference high-five!

Any solution to peak oil, global warming and poverty will depend on wide or universal access to contraception.

This is a great article, especially the bit on oil.

I agree that the problem is mainly one of over population. There is an enormous disconnect between the new realities facing us and peoples perceptions; and I see that every day.

Regarding the TXU plant. Our esteemed government here in New South Wales has just decided to build a new coal plant. Premier Iemmma on making the announcement asked: "Do you want the lights to go out?". Still it is not a done deal and I hope the greens win here, just as they have in Texas.

What his response indicated was an alarming lack of imagination. Yes, our energy growth here in New South Wales, just as in Texas, is relentless. The answer of course is 1. conservation, just plain using less. This is a matter of leadership and organisation; and 2. an agreesive push into renewables. This should be achieved as far as possible by increasing the cost of electricity so that all the costs are included in the price people pay. I am talking here about what economists call externalities, the cost of pollution, CO2 and land fill for the ash. By removing these "hidden" subsidies the FF industry has enjoyed for decades, the renewables energy sector should be able to compete. If not, the benefits of clean energy are so important that direct cash subsidies become justified.

Politically it will be very difficult, but that is what leadership is about. Making people understand and accept the suituation, even if the change and the new arrangements seem less comfortable than before.

This ignores the implicit snipe at the "greens" contained within the article. I am not a green. But I am very concerned about CO2 and the rate of melt of the grounded ice sheets. Scientists are now saying CO2 emissions, must now not just stop growing, but actually decline. I personally think it is too late. The melting of the arctic sea ice this year was a real shock. While sea levels are unaffected by melting floating ice, this years melt represented another tipping point demonstrating that we have lost control. The Albedo effect on millions of square miles of ice was lost and the heat was absorbed directly by the ocean. This movement to halt and reverse CO2 emissions has grown from nothing to a global clamour in less than a year as more and more alarming evidence of GW comes in. I suspect that the political pressure to halt CO2 will become unstoppable in the next year or two - just as PO and the Export Land effect are beginning to bite hard.

It is a real pity that people in the US are politically so far behind the curve on GW. It really is a much bigger issue elsewhere around the world. That is a direct failure of US leadership and is a result of the myopic, greedy, self serving and idiotic position adopted by the US administration. Australia under Howard has behaved as badly.

Luisdias wrote:
"I don't think though that things will come as clear as you presented. It will be more interesting, paradoxical and irrational."

I fully agree. The world is entirely nonlinear and everything will be different than we expect. I recall hearing of a guy who saw WWII coming and decided to move to an insignificant part of the world---Guadalcanal (or some similar island).

As to alternatives, I recently learned that if we can solve quantum computation, it might bring an energy source.

quote---
"Atoms have energy levels that differ by a few electron volts. Quantum coherence among a trillion atoms would allow the atoms to concentrate the energy differences of the levels on a single atom, and this would be 10 TeV, the amount of energy needed for the baryon-annihilation process to go forward. So indeed the engineering insight needed to make a practical quantum computer is exactly the same as that required to annihilate baryons, to create the ultimate rocket and the ultimate energy source in the universes-expanding phase. I therefore expect the two problems to be solved about the same time, by the same technique." Frank J. Tipler, The Physics of Christianity, (New York: Doubleday, 2007), p. 72-73

There is only one wee side-effect of this process. To use it as an energy source would put into the hands of the average human enough power to blow up the earth itself. Given that there are always some nutters who wish to take us with them when they depart this earth, such a power would make for a mighty short life-expectancy for the world.

This is about the only power source I think has a prayer of taking us into the 22nd century. But how would you like to have Al Qaeda have access to it?

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/Oilcrisis.htm

I won't worry about al_Qaeda.

If you annihilate baryons you get extremely hard gamma rays.

These do not like to interact with anything usefully engineerable, and they do like to cause unhealthy radiation hazards.

And besides, what about thermodynamics? You need a sustainable gradient to produce useful energy. Quantum computing isn't about energy generation and it shoudln't be.

Let's come back to reality. In reality heavy highly charged particles---like nuclei from fission products---which deposit their energy very locally are the only physically practical subatomic solution relevant to the timescales of both peak oil and global warming.

We shouldn't dick around with TeV dreams as a solution---it makes the wildest green 'activist' solar-panel cornucopian seem like a dull utility-company CPA.

We need relatively good nuclear ASAP---along with everything else---to replace dirty black coal.

Agreed, that we need nuclear, and that is the only in sight realistic solution. But have you looked at yellowcake prices lately? They are soaring because there isn't enough.

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/Oilcrisis.htm

Speaking of nutters... At least you didn't quote an excerpt from The Physics of Immortality.

As for A-Q, about the only thing they can figure out is box cutters and fundamentalism. I wouldn't go long on their engineering insight. Let's see if Binny can keep his cave up until they figure out quantum coherence (an oxymoron if I've ever heard one.) So, nix your A-Q fantasy.

Now, those Iranians... But, they'll be bombed back to the fifth century by Dick Incorporated before their Islamic physicists are able to figure out what European and American scientists got crackin' seven decades ago underneath the football field at U of C and elsewhere in academia.

Nice long article you wrote up here. I've read half of it. I'll read the next half tomorrow. Thanks for contributing.